[00:02] <shauno> I mean, weatherfax started during ww2.  which is why the 'protocol' seems mindbending.  it's meant to make perfect sense if your drum is the same size/speed as the senders'
[00:03] <shauno> eg, the buzz at the start is a tuning guide.  you have one lamp matched to white, one matched to black, and if you're tuned correctly they'll be flickering with equal brightness during that phase
[00:08] <shauno> you'll see that if the frequency drifts .. it doesn't cause these demon curves.  it just makes the image too white/dark
[00:09] <shauno> if it was just the rtl-sdr having terrible frequency control .. well that wouldn't be news
[00:10] <ali1234> so..... i can't figure out how to get the rtty to fit properly onto the two signals...
[00:11] <shauno> it's on the tx pane for the rtty controls (I have no idea why)
[00:11] <shauno> where it has carrier shift, set it to custom and you can dial 450 in the box below
[00:12] <ali1234> so it is
[00:12] <shauno> much of the UI boggles me.  it's clearly written by someone who ran out of space for all these buttons many years ago
[00:14] <ali1234> hmm this almost looks like words now, almost
[00:14] <ali1234> "SOUTHERLTILU"
[00:14] <shauno> that's basically as far as I got.  I can't tell the difference between german, and tranmission errors
[00:15] <ali1234> maybe it's the same problem
[00:15] <shauno> it's kinda boring though.  they're mostly a nice litmus test for whether you can receive the german stations, since the rtty one never shuts up
[00:24] <ali1234> annoying that i can't decode it though
[00:24] <ali1234> the signal looks good and strong
[00:24] <ali1234> sounds strong too
[00:24] <ali1234> maybe sound card 11025Hz just isn't good enough
[00:25] <ali1234> this webpage is probably sending a low quality stream
[00:26] <shauno> it shouldn't the the quality so much for that, more the timing
[00:26] <ali1234> well, it's going to get resampled, yeah?
[00:26] <ali1234> by all the software filters etc
[00:27] <ali1234> one thing i learned with teletext is that low sample rate can cause problems not just related to sound quality
[00:27] <ali1234> you can actually "fix" these problems by just resampling the low-sample-rate data to a higher sample rate
[00:27] <ali1234> it's something to do with the phase difference between samples in and samples out
[00:28] <ali1234> i don't know the right terminology to explain it
[00:28] <shauno> I more mean that these are designed to survive shortwave; they're meant to be robust.  but they're also designed to be realtime
[00:29] <shauno> like more, you can pick out of near nothing sometimes.  as long as there's enough there for fldigi to see it exists, it's fine
[00:30] <shauno> but if you ruin the timing (rtl-sdr dropping samples because you set it higher than it can squeeze them down usb, etc), it's gone.  the data's in the timing, not the signal
[00:32] <ali1234> right but this is a digital radio... it's going to resample to whatever rate its filters expect... depending on how it does it, it can mess up the timing
[00:33] <ali1234> teletext is very similar, it's all in the timing
[00:33] <ali1234> if you do a linear resample from say 11025 to 16000 - timing will get ruined. but if you go 11025 -> 44100 -> 16000 it will be fine
[00:34] <ali1234> or at least better
[01:00] <shauno> I think I have a terrible distraction for tomorrow; a wefax received for the amiga.  I'm curious to see how it holds up
[01:01] <shauno> receiver, rather (just something of aminet, we'll see)
[01:25] <daftykins> wefax - not fax related surely? :)
[01:26] <shauno> ;)
[01:27] <daftykins> that ghetto tech
[01:29] <shauno> unfortunately it's not the same standard they use on phone lines (a much older variant), else I'd just be robbing spare hardware
[01:29] <daftykins> ah-har
[01:29] <shauno> although it would be hilarious if you could just wire a radio to one of these multi-thingie printers and go with it
[01:31] <shauno> anyway.  time for bed said zebedee
[01:31] <daftykins> :)
[01:31] <daftykins> i think it's about that time indeed
[01:32] <daftykins> ta-ra \o
[06:37] <jussi> coffee is a wonderful thing :)
[07:15] <nigelb> jussi: tea is even more wonderful :)
[08:49] <diplo> Morning all
[08:57] <diddledan__> allo allo
[09:00] <Guest30957> Good morning all; happy Homemade Soup Day! :-D
[09:03] <knightwi1e> morning everyon e
[09:04] <bashrc> morning
[09:13] <dwatkins> allo
[09:16] <diddledan__> emscripten is pretty damned awesome
[09:18] <diddledan__> e.g. glxgears directly recompiled from the original C code: http://people.mozilla.org/~eakhgari/es2gears.html (doesn't seem to work in chrome for me)
[09:20] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:22]  * MartijnVdS ordered parts for a Raspberry Pi NTP server
[09:22] <diddledan__> MartijnVdS: a pi NTP server?
[09:22] <diddledan__> as in network time protocol?
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> diddledan__: yes, using a GPS module
[09:23] <diddledan__> nice
[09:23] <diddledan__> I want a gps unit, for something along those lines, too
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> diddledan__: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Raspberry-Pi-NTP.html#user-mode
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> diddledan__: I'm getting the Adafruit GPS unit + antenna from modmypi (https://www.modmypi.com/adafruit-gps-breakout-board + https://www.modmypi.com/sma-gps-antenna-3-5v-28dB-5m-external-active)
[09:32] <jussi> diddledan__: works in chromium for me
[09:33] <bigcalm> Is anybody having trouble with Office 365 this morning?
[09:33] <dwatkins> seems ok to me, bigcalm
[09:34] <bigcalm> Grr
[09:34] <bigcalm> Something wrong with my system then
[09:34] <jussi> bigcalm: Microsoft has decided they dont like you :P
[09:34] <bigcalm> jussi: the feeling is mutual
[09:34] <jussi> hehe
[09:35] <foobarry> bigcalm: last night yes
[09:35] <foobarry> there were auth problems
[09:36] <bigcalm> foobarry: I can't use imap/smtp in thunderbird and webmail isn't working either
[09:37] <bigcalm> My android phone is working okay with their exchange system though. Silly computers
[09:37] <foobarry> i recevied a mail at 9:11am
[09:37] <foobarry> via TB
[09:38] <bigcalm> I'm getting connection timed out in TB
[09:38] <bigcalm> And sometimes refused
[09:39] <bigcalm> foobarry: are you using outlook.office365.com for imap?
[09:40] <foobarry> not sure
[09:41] <foobarry> maybe m.outlook.com
[09:41] <foobarry> a lot of stuff gets obfuscated because we have federated auth
[09:41] <foobarry> twice as much to go wrong!
[09:41] <bigcalm> Ah, okay
[09:43] <bigcalm> Goodness, resizing Rackspace servers takes a while
[09:43]  * bigcalm blames SuperMatt
[09:46] <bigcalm> Woo, finally the web mail works - on my laptop
[09:47] <bashrc> congrats
[09:47] <bashrc> what sort of webmail is it?
[09:48] <bigcalm> I was referring to MS's web mail
[09:49] <bigcalm> Up to that point, I couldn't access my work email from any system other than my phone
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> Lookout 365
[09:49] <bigcalm> Hehe
[09:51] <diddledan__> I hate background processing via cron tasks (drupal) it's gonna take forever to delete all these 1600 posts to be able to remove a plugin
[09:52] <diddledan__> at least it's not as bad as 170000 like on another site I've had to deal with lately
[09:53] <diddledan__> of those 170000 which I set running on saturday night it's 22% complete
[09:57] <bigcalm> outlook.office365.com uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is only valid for the following names: *.opendns.com , opendns.com (Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain)
[09:57] <bigcalm> This is somewhat worrying
[09:58] <diddledan__> bigcalm: opendns has blocked it
[09:58] <bigcalm> It seemed to work on my laptop
[09:59] <bigcalm> Maybe I should use google's DNS instead
[10:00] <diddledan__> if you let the certificate pass (just this once) the block page should tell you why it's blocked
[10:05] <bigcalm> It works in Chromium
[10:05] <bigcalm> But not in Firefox
[10:07] <bigcalm> 1 thing I changed yesterday was my router. Now using a Netgear ProSafe FVS318N
[10:08] <bigcalm> It is possible that I've not correctly configured it somehow
[10:13] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:15] <diddledan__> bigcalm: maybe your IP changed to one that is currently assigned to someone else's OpenDNS account? (try using dynamic dns client to update it or do it manually in your opendns account)
[10:16] <diddledan__> bigcalm: as I said, the block page should tell you why it's blocked
[10:17] <diddledan__> or rather not necessarily why but under what category
[10:17] <diddledan__> "why" is a policy thing that opendns don't get involved in
[10:20] <Myrtti> https://plus.google.com/u/0/100585555255542998765/posts/f5TLgHDzhaY \o/
[10:21] <diddledan__> but the chromecast isn't available in the UK
[10:21] <diddledan__> (apart from grey imports)
[10:22] <Myrtti> the app is available in the UK, in comparison to when it wasn't
[10:22] <Myrtti> so that means that the device is available in UK
[10:22] <Myrtti> even if by grey imports
[10:23] <Myrtti> it's even available in Finland, by an actual importer
[10:23] <Myrtti> since Google doesn't sell any devices directly to Finland
[10:28] <bigcalm> diddledan__: I don't have an OpenDNS account, I just use their servers :)
[10:28] <bigcalm> diddledan__: it's now loading in Firefox for me
[10:28] <diddledan__> bigcalm: then it's likely you're using someone else's settings
[10:29] <bigcalm> diddledan__: I wasn't aware that one had to have an account
[10:29] <diddledan__> technically you don't but stale records from other people's accounts may affect you
[10:30] <bigcalm> My IP address did change last night when I power cycles the cable modem
[10:31] <bigcalm> TB still doesn't work
[10:32] <foobarry> WFM
[10:32] <foobarry> for a change
[10:32] <foobarry> isn't there a office 365 status page?
[10:32] <foobarry> or you're sure its opendns issue?
[10:32] <bigcalm> I don't know if it is an opendns issue or not
[10:58] <bigcalm> I wonder if the router has a DNS cache I can clear
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> "power cycle" :)
[11:01] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:02] <bigcalm> Yeah, that old chestnut
[11:08] <bigcalm> Can you configure more than one service in ddclient?
[11:09] <bigcalm> It's currently set-up for joker.com and now I want to add opendns.com
[11:36] <diddledan__> bigcalm: dnsomatic.com
[11:36] <diddledan__> it's also run by opendns
[11:36] <diddledan__> so you can use the same creds for both
[11:37] <diddledan__> and. *clicks joker.com link* :-p
[11:37] <diddledan__> well that's a good page :-p
[11:37] <diddledan__> it seems to be a domain holding page?
[11:38] <diddledan__> or even a domain sales page
[11:38] <diddledan__> oic
[11:38] <diddledan__> dumbass me
[11:38] <diddledan__> your domain is regged through joker.com! gotchabob
[11:40] <diddledan__> bigcalm: anyway... ddclient can update as many services as you want: http://blog.sarathonline.com/2010/03/update-multiple-dynamic-dns-servers.html
[11:45] <bigcalm> diddledan__: yes, I like joker.com :)
[11:46] <bigcalm> diddledan__: thanks for the link
[11:46] <bigcalm> I get 50 dyn records per domain name with joker.com
[12:00] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: it doesn't resize. it creates a new instance and then syncs all your data
[12:09] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: the web interface says "resize" :P
[12:13] <SuperMatt> sure, but that's not what it actually does ;)
[12:14] <SuperMatt> I mean, yeah, you get a resized vm
[12:14] <SuperMatt> but it's not really the original
[12:14] <SuperMatt> and please remember, I have *no* control over this. I'm still in training
[12:16] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: only joshing ya because you work for them
[12:16] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: in the same way that davmor2 and popey are responsible for all ubuntu weirdness :P
[12:19] <SuperMatt> of course
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: especially popey_
[13:55] <jussi> hrm, weird that we have semi official (read: community) builds of ubuntu touch being hosted on random ad ridden file sharing sites... do we not have better places to host them ?
[13:58] <dwatkins> dare I say it... bittorrent
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: isn't that blocked by your helpful government?
[13:59] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: no, although some sites which index it are ;)
[14:03] <popey> well..
[14:03] <popey> these are images made by random community people
[14:03] <popey> many from the xda world where hosting on odd file sharing sites is common
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> they should just host it on their U1 ;)
[14:04] <popey> wakka wakka
[14:09] <diddledan__> if the source of touch is available on launchpad bzr then the community should do the same by branching it and then canonical could provide them with auto-build services
[14:10] <diddledan__> or would that be too sensible?
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> diddledan__: have you seen the number of custom builds made by xda people?
[14:10] <diddledan__> MartijnVdS: no
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> diddledan__: For Android ROMs, it's several pages on the forum, so.. a few hundred?
[14:14] <jussi> popey: it might be a nice idea to have a semi official site where people can host them?  something sanctioned by canonical?
[14:17] <popey> jussi: not really. we'd have to take responsibility for potentially infringing stuff in their zip files
[14:18] <jussi> popey: bleh.
[14:24] <shauno> is that true?  I thought it fell under 'safe harbour' as long as you respond to complaints  (eg, youtube)
[14:29] <popey> i dont think we want to be in that position
[14:32] <dwatkins> doesn't Ubuntu One also have the same issue?
[14:33] <diddledan__> and launchpad
[14:33] <diddledan__> i.e. ppas
[14:33] <diddledan__> and the clickstore
[14:34] <diddledan__> or should that be called the ubuntu software store?
[15:11] <mapps> hey
[17:58] <ali1234> shauno: what frequency shift are you using? i just changed it to 750 and iget a much cleaner signal
[17:58] <shauno> 750 for UK, 850 for germany
[17:59] <ali1234> it's still waving all over the place though
[17:59] <ali1234> i still haven't see any german tx
[17:59] <shauno> yeah, that'll only affect how it plots tones to greyscale
[18:00] <ali1234> well using too big a shift will let some interference through also
[18:21] <ali1234> http://imagebin.org/290951
[18:22] <diddledan__> ali1234:that's evil-wonky
[18:22] <diddledan__> wibble wobble
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> analyzing satellite images?
[18:24] <shauno> I wish.  APT carries sync on every line, instead of just dropping some vague hints before the tranmissing
[18:25] <ali1234> i'm getting something from JMH/Japan
[18:26] <ali1234> very weak signal but the wobble is identical
[19:06] <shauno> ali1234: I have a hypothesis but I can't test it yet; what bitrate is the websdr streaming to you at? and what bitrate are they sampling at?
[19:07] <xalyy> hey
[19:07] <shauno> I'm wondering if one not being a product of the other would manifest as this; as their samples get further and further away from the nearest neighbour, they swing one way.  and then as they go over the cusp and the nearest neighbour becomes the next neighbour, they drift back again
[19:07] <shauno> are, what are they streaming at vs what are *you* sampling at, rather
[19:08] <xalyy> Can somebody help me about installing other os ubuntu on dedicated server? :S
[19:08] <xalyy> Through KVM
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: do you have a KVM VPS somewhere, or are you running kvm yourself?
[19:09] <xalyy> No no its dedicated server and KVM I have full managment of it
[19:09] <shauno> (or do you mean kvm like remote hands / keyboard-video-mouse)
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: in that case, install "libvirt-bin", add yourself to the "libvirt" group, and run virsh or virt-manager (you can run them locally -- though virt-manager would require X on the host), or remotely (if you don't want to install X on the host and walk over every time you want to manage a vm)
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: just select an Ubuntu ISO (server ISO is most useful) in the "New VM" screen, as installation media
[19:11] <xalyy> Wow :D
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> <-- just did that this weekend
[19:11] <xalyy> Wait a second
[19:13] <xalyy> I explain what I have atm. I have dedicated server with ubuntu 12.04 on it, I installed VNC but I can control the Dedicated through KVM what I downloaded from the Dell Remote Managment Controller of the Dedicated Server. The dell website does not support OS reinstall so I have to install it remotely through SSH and KVM, I wan't to install CentOS
[19:13] <jpds> You want to reinstall the server remotely?
[19:14] <xalyy> Yes
[19:14] <xalyy> Tried many ways... But didn't worked
[19:15] <jpds> Can you physically go to the server and plug in a server install image?
[19:15] <xalyy> Not really got a simple guide or a videoguide which explains carefully what have to do
[19:15] <xalyy> No :S
[19:15] <jpds> Because there are multiple ways of doing this.
[19:15] <xalyy> Yes yes I know
[19:15] <xalyy> But I can't reach the server
[19:15] <xalyy> Phisically
[19:15] <xalyy> But I can access the server 100% through online
[19:16] <jpds> Well, Dell lets you connect an ISO image remotely through a "virtual device".
[19:16] <xalyy> And how can I do that?
[19:17] <jpds> xalyy: http://stuff.mit.edu/afs/athena/dept/cron/documentation/dell-server-admin/en/DRAC_5/racugc1b.htm
[19:18] <xalyy> So I have to log in to the Dell Remote management?
[19:19] <jpds> Of course.
[19:19] <xalyy> DRAC 5?
[19:19] <xalyy> 2. Connect and log into the DRAC 5. See "Accessing the Web-Based Interface for more information".
[19:19] <jpds> xalyy: Hey, look, this guide even uses CentOS as an example: https://xorl.wordpress.com/2011/07/31/how-to-use-dell-idrac-virtual-media/
[19:20] <xalyy> Woooow
[19:20] <xalyy> This Remote management far better what I use ATM
[19:20] <xalyy> Thats why its not support reinstall
[19:21] <xalyy> But not sure how can I get this Drac 5 or 6, or can I even get it?
[19:21] <xalyy> Or upgrade
[19:21] <jpds> Most modern servers have tools like this.
[19:21] <jpds> xalyy: That's a question you have to ask Dell.
[19:22] <xalyy> But is there a way to check this?
[19:22] <jpds> No idea, usually comes with your server's firmware.
[19:22] <xalyy> I mean what I have to type in to get to this web management
[19:22] <xalyy> The IP and port
[19:23] <jpds> xalyy: Erm, that's configured in the BIOS.
[19:23] <ali1234> shauno: yes, that's what i was trying to explain last night
[19:23] <xalyy> But not really sure I mean is it possible there is two management tool installed?
[19:24] <ali1234> shauno: actually one thing i want to try is both of us capturing the same image, and then compare the skew
[19:24] <xalyy> Is there an other way to do this all?
[19:24] <jpds> xalyy: No, I don't think it's possible.
[19:24] <xalyy> So I have to do it through web
[19:24] <jpds> xalyy: Why would Dell ship two management tools on a server?
[19:24] <jpds> xalyy: If you only have one server, yes.
[19:25] <xalyy> Look: http://gyazo.com/9101eecc849b8809233097bdad16d6c6.png
[19:25] <xalyy> This is what I use right now
[19:25] <xalyy> probably older then what you have sent
[19:26] <jpds> xalyy: Right, scroll down on that page I sent.
[19:26] <jpds> More than 3/4 of the way.
[19:27] <jpds> xalyy: You have an older server and thus an older iDRAC.
[19:27] <xalyy> Yeah
[19:27] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/c08e06b86991fe6a3ba5d5c559462b00.png
[19:27] <xalyy> See? :S
[19:27] <jpds> Yeah, there you go.
[19:28] <ali1234> shauno: the websdr format appears to be WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit, mono 7119 Hz
[19:28] <shauno> so there's a very strong chance your sample rate isn't a product of that
[19:28] <ali1234> indeed
[19:29] <shauno> I'm kinda hamstrung tonight, I forgot to bring my psu home
[19:29] <ali1234> also that is only like two samples per "pixel"
[19:30] <xalyy> And now? Not really see Launch Virtual Console
[19:30] <ali1234> the skew is usually less than one pixel per line, so clock drift can be less than one sample length and still cause this
[19:30] <jpds> xalyy: On your first screenshot, I see a "Console" tab at the top.
[19:30] <xalyy> jpds: Probably this nah? http://gyazo.com/531ef70bb356d4534281139bb28a232f.png
[19:30] <xalyy> It was just an other tab
[19:31] <jpds> xalyy: Hit it.
[19:31] <xalyy> :)
[19:31] <xalyy> Good and Launch VM
[19:31] <jpds> Attach the ISO on your system to the console, and reboot the box.
[19:32] <xalyy> Wait so this is does the next: It downloads the iso from my system and uploads to the dedicated and then boot from it?? Right?
[19:32] <jpds> xalyy: Yep.
[19:32] <xalyy> Wow :D
[19:32] <xalyy> Nice
[19:33] <jpds> So it's going to take a while.
[19:33] <xalyy> I am uploading with 800 kbps so it will be fast and I am only installing the the 6.5 netinstall
[19:33] <xalyy> Someone told me that enough
[19:33] <xalyy> its just 250mb
[19:33] <jpds> Right.
[19:34] <jpds> Anyway, you sound good now, good luck.
[19:34] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/49001fbc76cf00c18b037bd5083b8afb.png
[19:35] <xalyy> Do I have to map it or just let it uncheck and reboot the server?
[19:35] <jpds> I would reboot and see what happens.
[19:36] <xalyy> Ok rebooting
[19:36] <xalyy> Thanks for helping me :D
[19:36] <jpds> No worries.
[19:37] <xalyy> So it have to boot the iso now?
[19:37] <jpds> You'll have to press F12 or whatever the BIOS says to bring up the boot menu.
[19:37] <jpds> And try booting off the 'CD'.
[19:37] <shauno> oh boy, sid meier @ humblebundle.  what could possibly go wrong
[19:37] <xalyy> Okay
[19:38] <ali1234> none of the games work on linux
[19:39] <shauno> that's okay, I have a mac for gaming  *Ducks*
[19:39]  * jpds shoots shauno's ducks.
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> jpds: Duck Hunt!
[19:40] <xalyy> :D
[19:40] <xalyy> You guys live in Uk? :P
[19:42] <shauno> mac gaming vs linux gaming is very much .. being proud that you shot your left foot instead of your right
[19:43] <xalyy> Ohh... Do I have to hold down the F12 because it just booted the gnome interface normally
[19:43] <xalyy> Twice...
[19:43] <ali1234> shauno: for a test i played back that example recording through mplayer -> PA -> fldigi
[19:43] <ali1234> no skewing found
[19:45] <jpds> xalyy: Actually, you might need to map the device to the virtual CD.
[19:45] <jpds> Sorry.
[19:45] <xalyy> Thats why nothing happened? :D
[19:48] <shauno> I have a feeling my analogue loopback is hurting me, I may be doing 48k vs 44k
[19:48] <shauno> and then capturing at 11025 which doesn't fit into 48k either
[19:51] <xalyy> jpds: Nothnig happaned again :S I holded F12 like three minutes
[19:51] <xalyy> Just booted normally?
[19:51] <xalyy> Normally*
[19:51] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/02b570828f725bf832524a43a8cf2e1a.png But it appears on the virtual cd/dvd drive
[19:52] <xalyy> Not really know whats happening :O
[19:53] <xalyy> By the way I finded out this is Drac 4
[19:54] <xalyy> http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/systems-management/w/wiki/3206.updating-drac-firmware.aspx  What you think should I upgrade Drac?
[20:02] <shauno> I'm not sure I'd dare, personally.  right now you have one hand on the system.  don't let go.
[20:04] <xalyy> Not really sure but can I even upgrade it?
[20:06] <shauno> I Think you can only update to minor versions
[20:06] <shauno> like, from 4.something to 4.newer
[20:07] <shauno> the DRAC module is actually a whole card; I believe to, eg upgrade to DRAC6, you'd need to go buy a DRAC6 card and swap them out
[20:17] <xalyy> YESS!!!
[20:19] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/9ea69b62f79032c72f641494b98bdfe3.png
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> too bad it's centos :P
[20:19] <diddledan__> I missed the start of this
[20:19] <shauno> they've spelt ubuntu all wrong :p
[20:20] <xalyy> I only need it because it supports OpenVZ :D
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> isn't LXC the New and Improved replacement of OpenVZ?
[20:24] <ali1234> stabbing yourself in the leg with a rusty trowel is the new and improved version of openvz
[20:24] <xalyy> What you mean?
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> that OpenVZ is a horrible way of "virtualizing" (sysadmin-wise at least, security-wise probably)
[20:25] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/e6aca9d951026ec42a24a3126bc01583.png
[20:25] <xalyy> Look
[20:25] <xalyy> + This http://www.janoszen.com/2013/01/22/lxc-vs-openvz/ I thought OpenVz is still better... :S
[20:25] <xalyy> Or not?
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> KVM is still better ;)
[20:26] <ali1234> it's better if you want to massively oversell your hardware capability
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> because it actually provides *full* isolation from the host OS (except for a small hypervisor footprint)
[20:27] <ali1234> eg by saying you sell VPS systems with 128MB, and then limiting them to 5MB of kernel memory and making the rest swap
[20:27] <xalyy> Yeah
[20:27] <xalyy> So if I would open up a VPS server host then which would be better?
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> I'd go with kvm
[20:27] <ali1234> it depends. do you want to offer customers good service?
[20:27] <xalyy> Yes :D
[20:28] <ali1234> or do you want to make as much profit as possible and don't care if the service isn't fit for purpose?
[20:28] <xalyy> Wait a minute kvm?
[20:28] <xalyy> KVM Is not this?? http://gyazo.com/139da3945aa8a997abd58940c02b4245.png
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> no, that's a virtual keyboard/video/mouse :)
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> KVM = http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page
[20:29] <xalyy> Ohh lol
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> probably with libvirt on top (virsh & friends) for easy management
[20:30] <xalyy> And how can I get into the KVM web managment lol
[20:30] <xalyy> I didnt even knew
[20:30] <xalyy> this
[20:30] <xalyy> then I spent the whole day with getting the centos installed
[20:30] <xalyy> for nothing :S
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> Learning experience ;)
[20:31] <xalyy> Yeah :D
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> also, you can host KVM VMs on centos if you want to, I guess
[20:31] <xalyy> But wait a sec lemme check this before installing centos
[20:31] <xalyy> So how do I open up the KVM web management
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: no wait, it's a different KVM :)
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: the "kvm" you've been using is just "keyboard, video, mouse" for the machine
[20:33] <xalyy> ohhhh lol
[20:33] <xalyy> Okayyyyyyyy :D
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: the KVM I'm talking about is "kernel virtual machine" (I think)
[20:33] <xalyy> oooooooohh
[20:33] <shauno> if it's not, it should be
[20:33] <xalyy> So I have to install centos first right?
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: so you use virt-manager (or similar) to get to the consoles of the VMs
[20:34] <xalyy> But why of the two software have exact the same name??
[20:35] <xalyy> To get newbies confused :P?
[20:36] <diddledan__> your keyboard video mouse is actually a virtual hardware device which was called "keyboard video & mouse" or KVM for short. the kernel virtual machine I presume was sufficiently abstract from a keyboard video and mouse device that they felt the name wouldn't conflict
[20:37] <diddledan__> the KVM you're using is based on an idea created decades ago
[20:37] <diddledan__> it ued to be physical switches and knobs (I actually still have and use one here)
[20:37] <shauno> apparently they aren't, because when he asked how to install over kvm, the other kvm was the first assumption :p
[20:38] <diddledan__> shauno: indeed
[20:38] <xalyy> Okay
[20:39] <diddledan__> I tend to think of KVM the keyboard variety as a physical device and the KVM virtualisation thingy as a software so that tends to help me work out which is which. the problem is when you get people talking about their vKVMs
[20:39] <xalyy> On KVM I can create linux and windows VPS's right?
[20:39] <diddledan__> yes
[20:39] <xalyy> Ok
[20:39] <diddledan__> openvz would be limited to linux only
[20:41] <xalyy> Ohh okay :D
[20:41] <xalyy> Hope this centos install gives a "fresh new" server because I messed up alot of things on the ubuntu today :D
[20:47] <dogmatic69> anyone know how to make ufraw-batch append something to the output file name?
[20:48] <dogmatic69> like orig.NEF > orig.something.png
[20:48] <diddledan__> humble sid meier bungle?
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> diddledan__: WHOA
[20:53] <xalyy> Guys
[20:53] <xalyy> Just saw there is one more virtualization named XEN
[20:53] <xalyy> Omg so much to choose...
[20:53] <xalyy> OpenVZ is out because not support windows but which is better? KVM or XEN?
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: it all depends on what you want.
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: you should probably read up on both, maybe even try both, then decide.
[20:55] <xalyy> K
[20:58] <diddledan__> I kinda lean towards xen on the server and kvm on my workstation
[20:59] <directhex> we run our business on kvm
[20:59] <directhex> but kvm sucks for windows
[20:59] <xalyy> Why?
[20:59] <xalyy> By the way something wrong... http://gyazo.com/c790bd3dd396f870ba6474ff8f07cd88.png :(
[21:02] <daftykins> wow i was thirsty down at the restaurant i just went to...
[21:02] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zte2aqvtd8j2o0o/IMG_20140204_210015.jpg
[21:02] <daftykins> ^_^
[21:03] <diddledan__> xalyy: that generally either means it doesn't have a driver for your network or it's not plugged-in
[21:03] <xalyy> What do I do?
[21:03] <diddledan__> plug it in?
[21:03] <daftykins> kinda funny you asking for CentOS support in an ubuntu channel
[21:03] <diddledan__> :-p
[21:04] <xalyy> How I doesn't even know where is this dedicated server located :P
[21:04] <diddledan__> oic
[21:04] <diddledan__> it probably is plugged in then
[21:05] <xalyy> Yes I control it virtually :P
[21:05] <xalyy> Then if it's plugged in
[21:05] <xalyy> then what is the problem?
[21:05] <diddledan__> well technically DRAC is out-of-band on a different network connection
[21:06] <diddledan__> perhaps your host doesn't have DHCP?
[21:06] <xalyy> One word, I have to redo everything and download a standalone centos 6.5 64x? and not the netinstall...
[21:06] <xalyy> Right?
[21:06] <diddledan__> in which case you'd need to configure the IP address manually
[21:06] <xalyy> Ohh
[21:06] <daftykins> xalyy: who is your VPS provider?
[21:07] <xalyy> Its dedicatedddddddddddddddddddddd I mentioned a hundred times :P
[21:07] <daftykins> ok, who is your dedi provider?
[21:07] <daftykins> i find it hard to believe they don't have documentation
[21:07] <xalyy> Can't tell it to public or they will stop hosting them :S I mean I can't advertise it
[21:08] <directhex> does centos include firmware?
[21:08] <xalyy> What you mean
[21:10] <daftykins> wow it's windy here
[21:10] <daftykins> seriously howling past my house
[21:10] <diddledan__> here too
[21:11] <daftykins> i just watched a local news program from the weekend, the town seafront was a foot underwater this weekend! i didn't even know despite it being about 30m -> that way
[21:11] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/0a2717d8e51ebe850df3d2ad0609f0e1.png
[21:11] <daftykins> :D
[21:13] <daftykins> xalyy: yeah so go back through your providers emails and look what IP settings you got given
[21:13] <daftykins> assuming they email :P
[21:13] <xalyy> :DD
[21:13] <xalyy> Got it but what is the nameserver?
[21:13] <diddledan__> try 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4
[21:13] <daftykins> unless your provider lists one
[21:14] <xalyy> Also I have two different ipv4 email which do I type in? its just a small difference on the two, the ending is like 130 and 131
[21:14] <xalyy> On putty I log in with 130 but on the Dell management it says 131
[21:14] <daftykins> 'on the Dell management' what do you mean?
[21:15] <daftykins> how do they write them on the email?
[21:15] <xalyy> DRAC 4
[21:15] <xalyy> 130
[21:15] <xalyy> Not really sure which is the ip now...
[21:15] <xalyy> Omg why is it so complicated
[21:16] <diddledan__> becasue it's not designed for end users - it's designed to be functional not easy
[21:16] <xalyy> Yeah
[21:17] <xalyy> What is this CDI prefix lol...
[21:17] <xalyy> CIDR*
[21:18] <diddledan__> aah, that's the subnet mask in "number of bits" format as opposed to dotted-quad
[21:18] <diddledan__> so 255.255.255.0 would translate to /24
[21:18] <xalyy> 255.255.255.248
[21:18] <diddledan__> that's
[21:18] <diddledan__> 29 I believe
[21:19] <xalyy> Ok ty
[21:19] <xalyy> Waiting networkmanager to configure eth0
[21:19] <xalyy> By the way there was an eth1
[21:20] <xalyy> Well I think I fucked up something because the KVM is just force closed and the DRAC 4 is now not working
[21:20] <xalyy> Omgggggg I hang myself
[21:20] <diddledan__> o_O
[21:21] <diddledan__> that's .. odd
[21:22] <xalyy> Now DRAC 4 works but KVM not
[21:22] <xalyy> Greattt
[21:22] <diddledan__> perhaps it rebooted?
[21:22] <xalyy> Yeah
[21:23] <daftykins> xalyy: please be careful with language in here
[21:23] <xalyy> Ok sorry
[21:24] <xalyy> Well kvm is not starting :S
[21:24] <xalyy> Idk what happened
[21:28] <xalyy> What can I do now if KVM not starts ? :S
[21:30] <shauno> the drac kvm or the VM kvm?  hehe
[21:31] <xalyy> Drac
[21:32] <xalyy> Cant even connect on putty now
[21:32] <shauno> I do't mean this to sound rude, but it has to be asked;  what did you do to it?
[21:32] <shauno> (eg, what's changed)
[21:32] <xalyy> http://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2011/centos-6-netinstall-network-installation/
[21:32] <xalyy> Followed this
[21:32] <foobarry> 1) you can restart a drac
[21:33] <xalyy> Then it said network error or what then the guys said here I have to configure network manully
[21:33] <xalyy> Entered everything then after a few secs everything is force closed
[21:33] <xalyy> Then drac got restored
[21:33] <xalyy> But only that works
[21:34] <shauno> you didn't perchance use the same network details found in the drac console?
[21:35] <xalyy> Yes I used that
[21:35] <diddledan__> d'oh
[21:36] <shauno> I don't believe they can have the same address.  the drac controller is basically another computer.  a smaller, lamer computer with a single function, but still a computer in its own right
[21:36] <xalyy> Ohhh
[21:36] <xalyy> Then the Drac 4 have the 131 and the dedicated the 130
[21:36] <shauno> so giving both the same address is like having two computers on the same LAN with the same address.  either bad things happen, or weird things happen
[21:37] <xalyy> now its clear
[21:37] <diddledan__> I think the behaviour is left as undocumented
[21:37] <diddledan__> implementation-specific
[21:37] <xalyy> How do I reset it? Or what can I do?
[21:38] <diddledan__> if you can get a response out of drac then you can reboot, no?
[21:40] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/71638b245ab89cfbecc887dd97885ba0.png
[21:40] <xalyy> Yeah
[21:40] <xalyy> Lol just saw there is reset option
[21:41] <diddledan__> someone doesn't understand sarcasm: http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&discussionID=5836293290860765185&gid=42140&commentID=5836492669823496192&trk=view_disc&fromEmail=&ut=1ahwRj7g-QUS41
[21:41] <diddledan__> (you may not be able to get there if linkedin is being evil)
[21:42] <popey> wow, people actually do that?
[21:43] <diddledan__> popey, the php eval(base64 thing?
[21:43] <diddledan__> yes, I've seen it in the wilds
[21:43] <popey> no, the link posted in there
[21:43] <diddledan__> aah ioncube
[21:43] <diddledan__> yes unfortunately they do
[21:44] <diddledan__> one user I know of is whmcs
[21:44] <xalyy> Guys what do you think about bitcoin? :)
[21:44] <diddledan__> www.whmcs.com
[21:46] <shauno> people still used linkedin?
[21:46] <diddledan__> shauno: I don't think anyone has ever used linkedin in earnest
[21:46] <diddledan__> that is apart from indians
[21:48] <popey> my boss looked me up on linkedin before hiring me
[21:48] <popey> then i deleted my account ☻
[21:48] <shauno> I have "Invitation to Connect on LinkedIn" and "Join my network on LinkedIn" to /dev/null; apparently I need to add "diddledan__'s invitation is awaiting your response" too ;)
[21:49] <diddledan__> popey: does the benevolent dictator space man count as a boss?
[21:49] <popey> ya
[21:49] <diddledan__> I thought he was more.. yannow.. furniture
[21:49] <diddledan__> :-p
[21:50] <diddledan__> shauno: lol, sorry :-p
[21:50] <diddledan__> shauno: you know you love me really
[21:51] <shauno> maybe a little, but I wish you'd have at least used my real email address instead of gmail, so linkedin would just get laughed at when they connect
[21:51] <popey> furniture?
[21:52] <diddledan__> yeah, I haven't got your real email address in my contacts database I don't think
[21:52] <diddledan__> popey: yeah, always there watching you
[21:53]  * diddledan__ tries to figure out the best way to dig out of this hole
[21:53] <diddledan__> downwards sounds like a plan?
[21:53] <popey> noo
[21:53] <popey> you'll fall into lava
[21:53] <diddledan__> lol
[21:53] <diddledan__> I might find some obsidian though
[21:54] <shauno> oh boy, I had to explain this to someone at work recently; they'd decided digging downwards was the best bet, because it didn't require torches
[21:55] <diddledan__> oh the joys of n0rty words into automated systems: http://www.hubspot.com/blog-topic-generator#/banana/hammock/man-bits
[21:55] <diddledan__> "10 things your competitors can teach you about man-bits"
[21:56] <jpds> shauno: I use LinkedIn.
[21:56] <diddledan__> shauno: lol, n00b mistake
[21:57] <diddledan__> "why we love banana (and you should too)
[21:57] <diddledan__> and "7 things about man-bits your boss wants to know"
[21:58] <diddledan__> sorry, family friendly
[21:58]  * diddledan__ chastises himself
[21:58] <daftykins> tsk tsk bad dd
[21:58] <shauno> diddledan__: you really should talk to your parents about their options for parental controls
[21:58] <popey> mmmm banana
[21:58] <daftykins> hrmm, have you guys ever been in a situation where you've encountered illegal software? ever bothered to do anything about it / felt it necessary?
[21:59] <diddledan__> daftykins: yes, and now that you mention it I'd like to have done something about it but my ISP made it too easy to download
[21:59] <daftykins> not a serious reply there then i see :P
[22:00] <diddledan__> serious.. hmm..
[22:00] <daftykins> a small biz client got sold a PC with a shifty copy of windows and office on
[22:00] <diddledan__> no, I don't think I can do that
[22:00] <jpds> daftykins: Ubuntu is quite illegal these days.
[22:00] <daftykins> ho-ho
[22:00] <diddledan__> aah, well selling illegal software I do have an issue with
[22:00] <diddledan__> it's immoral - you should get illegal software free of charge
[22:01] <daftykins> sigh.
[22:01] <daftykins> honestly i'm trying to ask a serious question and you're just being an ass.
[22:01] <shauno> who's the vendor?  someone big enough that they could be pushed to provide 'goods as descrobed'?
[22:01] <diddledan__> my first statement was serious
[22:01] <diddledan__> the ahh well statement was truthful
[22:02] <daftykins> shauno: just an individual, who may even be using his employer's licensing on refurb machines he's reselling
[22:02] <jpds> daftykins: Well, who are you going to report it to that's going to do something about it?
[22:02] <daftykins> his employer.
[22:02] <daftykins> well, i'm not necessarily going to
[22:02] <daftykins> as i don't think it'd really go too far
[22:02] <daftykins> but i don't really feel right working on something i know is shifty
[22:02] <daftykins> after all, i can't support it
[22:03] <diddledan__> rip it out and put ubuntu on there?
[22:03] <diddledan__> either that or install a "clean" copy of windows
[22:03] <daftykins> yeah they'd have to purchase one really
[22:03] <diddledan__> I wouldn't trust a copy of windows that I got preinstalled on a refurb to not have nasties
[22:03] <daftykins> but i'm not asking about how to resolve it, i'm asking if anyone's ever been in such a situation
[22:04] <daftykins> indeedy
[22:04] <diddledan__> I've not been in the situation myself and I don't know whether I'd make an issue out of it
[22:05] <jpds> daftykins: I'd just install Ubuntu on the box myself.
[22:05] <daftykins> yeah, client uses Windows only software sadly
[22:05] <diddledan__> if it was business use that I'd bought it for then I possibly would be swayed towards doing something
[22:05] <jpds> daftykins: Throw in a copy of Citrix.
[22:05] <diddledan__> mmm citrix
[22:06] <daftykins> 'throw in' ? :P
[22:06] <diddledan__> do companies still use desktop virtualisation?
[22:06] <jpds> diddledan__: I know a few.
[22:06] <diddledan__> afaik it never did work as promised
[22:07] <diddledan__> slow updates when you're typing for e.g. that mean you finish a paragraph and have to sit there and watch as it catches up before you can proofread it for e.g.
[22:07] <diddledan__> ooh, double for e.g.s
[22:07] <jpds> That's not my experience with Citrix.
[22:07] <diddledan__> is that like a double negative?
[22:09] <shauno> it's an interesting spot to be caught in, but an odd situation because there's no leverage on anyone to actually resolve it.  at best said employer lays the smack down.  your client is still out of pocket
[22:09] <daftykins> my one? yeah the guy paid £140 for a c2d E4500 with 4GB RAM and an nvidia 8400GS in it
[22:09] <shauno> but no, not a problem I've had.  I don't touch windows in a business context, because only bad things can happen  (and home users all have an oem licence glued to the bottom)
[22:09] <daftykins> small LCD too
[22:10] <daftykins> in fairness it'll still be cheap still buying a legit copy of Windows
[22:13] <shauno> I think I'd bring it up though, just so that when it comes to light ("oh you need to reinstall? no, you're screwed")  you don't look  .. well perhaps not complicit, but certainly not their knight in shining armor, yaknow?
[22:14] <ali1234> pretty much every copy of windows i've ever seen was unlicensed
[22:14] <daftykins> 0o
[22:14] <daftykins> ali1234: in business or home user contexts though?
[22:14] <ali1234> both
[22:15] <ali1234> quite often the machine has a license sticker, but it doesn't match the installed windows
[22:15] <shauno> I over-use evals in a lab context, but our actual desktops/laptops are all squeaky clean
[22:16] <ali1234> remember: for a windows installation to be unlicensed, all you have to do is lose the CoA
[22:17] <daftykins> not exactly a common situation i'm sure
[22:17] <diddledan__> even if you get it through technet?
[22:17] <diddledan__> i.e. downloaded
[22:17] <diddledan__> afaik you don't get a CoA for downloads
[22:18] <daftykins> volume license is only legit if the system has whatever OS it was shipped withs' CoA
[22:19] <ali1234> "my nephew upgraded this computer to XP and now it's saying it's unlicensed" was a fairly common complaint back in about 2005 or whenever they made SP3
[22:19] <diddledan__> that can't be right - what if you volume license a system that didn't come with a copy of windows installed in the first place for you to replace with your volume key?!
[22:20] <ali1234> i just gave them two choices: buy XP or go back to whatever you had before
[22:20] <daftykins> my mate works in a school, just told me that they can't buy unlicensed systems
[22:20] <daftykins> he has to get ones with an OS to use VL
[22:22] <diddledan__> I think that's more like the school won't buy a blank system rather than they're forced to buy ones with a license already included because the volume license requires a license
[22:22] <diddledan__> if you had to have a machine pre-licensed then what's the point of a VL?!
[22:22] <ali1234> the point of a VL is you can spin your own automatic installation image, without needed a unique one for each key
[22:23] <ali1234> so yeah corps are paying twice for the convenience of being able to do this
[22:23] <daftykins> depends on your deal from the vendor i guess
[22:23] <daftykins> i dunno, he went offline so i can't ask
[22:24] <shauno> it appears to be correct
[22:25] <diddledan__> that's nuts
[22:25] <diddledan__> no wonder Microsoft still rake it in
[22:27] <daftykins> heh :P
[22:27] <shauno> In Volume Licensing, the desktop PC operating system license is an "update licence." You can only acquire upgrade licenses for devices for which you have already licensed a "qualifying operating system."
[22:27] <shauno> er, 'upgrade licence' rather
[22:30] <shauno> so the 'volume license' is a license to use your existing license against the volume system.  and the vlk is just a convenience so that you can do this at scale
[22:30] <diddledan__> yey for sms text messaging australia
[22:31] <shauno> honestly, I think msft licensing is like taxes.  you're not meant to understand them - by design.
[22:32] <daftykins> hehe
[22:32] <daftykins> remember when they offered a certification on licensing? :D
[22:32] <diddledan__> -_-
[22:32] <diddledan__> my brian hurts
[22:33] <shauno> that almost sounds as bad as when a coworker hosted a "windows 7 party"
[22:33] <diddledan__> a what?!
[22:33] <diddledan__> o.o
[22:33] <shauno> oh it was A Thing
[22:33] <diddledan__> really?
[22:34] <daftykins> lol
[22:34] <daftykins> i think i remember those being setup
[22:34] <diddledan__> who... when.. why..
[22:34] <daftykins> they sent you free stuff to give out afaik
[22:34] <shauno> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cX4t5-YpHQ   put it this way.  this is not satire.
[22:37] <diddledan__> bonus activities?!
[22:39] <shauno> it's funny because while installfests seem to be a bit out of date; they never managed to command quite that much cringe
[22:39] <diddledan__> I think I'm going to host a Windows^H^H^H^HUbuntu 7 party
[22:42] <xalyy> How to get static ip address? :D
[22:42] <xalyy> Just finished installation
[22:42] <xalyy> But got this error Couldn't resolve host 'mirrorlist.centos.org
[22:42] <xalyy> when try to install something
[22:42] <shauno> do you have dns addresses?
[22:44] <xalyy> 0.0.0.0
[22:45] <shauno> that's just a long way of saying no :)
[22:45] <daftykins> lmao
[22:45] <xalyy> No no I not really know I have or not :D
[22:45] <xalyy> Just want to get this static ip
[22:45] <daftykins> xalyy: looks like you didn't configure your DNS right
[22:45] <shauno> you may get away with using google's (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4), but ideally, you should ask whoever runs the network for their local values
[22:45] <xalyy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BZHvVpXsg4
[22:46] <shauno> well, you can have an IP, that doesn't mean you'll reach centos.org
[22:46] <shauno> you need an IP address & netmask, then you're on the LAN.  then you need a gateway so you can get out the LAN.  and then DNS servers so you know where you're going
[22:47] <shauno> especially if you're using netboot isos, because the 'net' bit is a huge hint that they expect to reach the network to continue the installation
[22:47] <xalyy> not used net
[22:47] <xalyy> I said I have to redo everything
[22:47] <xalyy> downloaded the standalone centos 6
[22:48] <shauno> ah ok, I recall it being used earlier.  but the rest is still valid.  if you need centos mirrors, you need a few more details to reach the internet
[22:48] <xalyy> And installed that but still having problems
[22:48] <xalyy> Because the DHCP is not activated
[22:48] <xalyy> So is that video good? :D
[22:48] <xalyy> To fix this problem?
[22:48] <shauno> I'd also suggest that #centos might have better ideas on how to proceed without requiring the mirrors  ;)
[22:49] <daftykins> ^_^
[22:49] <daftykins> xalyy: how did you find your way in here to talk about CentOS anyway? :D
[22:50] <xalyy> Because I was a proud ubuntu user before? :P
[22:50] <shauno> oh I'm not trying to chase him off.  just that bits that get more and more centos specific, many of us will be more and more vague
[22:50]  * diddledan__ tries to use the bot
[22:50] <diddledan__> !centos | xalyy
[22:50] <diddledan__> aww
[22:50] <diddledan__> ok, lets try another one
[22:50] <diddledan__> !ot | xalyy
[22:51] <diddledan__> yey
[22:51] <xalyy> Okay okay goodbye! Thanks everyone the help again! :)
[22:51] <diddledan__> o_O
[22:51] <daftykins> i wanna go get Mac help in ##windows now
[22:51] <diddledan__> daftykins: they'll rip you to shreds
[22:51] <daftykins> lol
[22:52] <diddledan__> still I suppose it won't be as bad as if you did vicky verky
[22:52] <diddledan__> vice versa
[22:52] <shauno> aww he wasn't that bad.  and for really generic stuff like "0 is not a dns server" I'm not sure there is a 'right place'
[22:53] <daftykins> well i could fake that i was talking about bootcamp
[22:53] <diddledan__> I wasn't expecting him to just leave instantly
[22:53] <daftykins> shauno: yeah, agreed - though he started out with installing CentOS ;D
[22:54] <shauno> nah, he started out with "how do I put an OS on a remote machine using only dell's management tools", and got some pretty kickass support from jpds
[22:55] <shauno> I was just trying to hint that stuff like "how do I skip the mirror requirement" was a bit too domain-specific
[22:55] <diddledan__> I don't get how centos being part of redhat is supposed to be beneficial to centos. I mean they still have to wait until the rhel rpms are released before they get a chance to get hands-on with them
[22:56] <shauno> I mean, we were talking about windows licensing lol .. almost anything is a worthy diversion
[22:56] <diddledan__> lol
[22:58] <daftykins> but everybody loves me talking about Windows - right? right? D
[22:58] <daftykins> * :D
[22:59] <shauno> reminds me, we finally have a guineapig for a w7 upgrade.  that'll be interesting
[22:59] <daftykins> what from?
[22:59] <shauno> xpsp3
[22:59] <diddledan__> why not w8?
[23:00] <daftykins> LOL
[23:00] <shauno> I really want to upgrade because my machine has 8gig.  they scheduled me for jan 2nd but I refused until someone else takes the pain first
[23:00] <shauno> and not 8 because it's work.  srsbsns and all that
[23:01] <shauno> that, and it's taken us this long to prepare for 7.  if we keep moving the goalposts we'll never move
[23:02] <daftykins> *nod*
[23:02] <daftykins> that's your work laptop then?
[23:03] <shauno> yeah
[23:03] <daftykins> i'm fond of 7 - in most respects
[23:03] <shauno> I don't have windows at home.  it's far too much like hard work
[23:04] <daftykins> hehe
[23:13] <diddledan__> good old australia (this video is a bit near the knuckle but I found it funny) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=STHpMUYeznQ
[23:14] <diddledan__> apparently it's a fake though - there is no organisation called "learn for life"
[23:15] <diddledan__> nooooo, awilkins......
[23:15] <diddledan__> cut off in his prime!
[23:15] <daftykins> you're making them all leave :(
[23:16] <shauno> ^
[23:17] <shauno> and I can't watch youtube :(  I have 40 minutes of battery left.  flash will turn that into 40 seconds
[23:20] <daftykins> aww
[23:20] <daftykins> quick, download them via a browser extension instead for local play!
[23:21] <daftykins> my mate and his gf are looking at houses atm, quite near to my parents place
[23:21] <daftykins> he asked what might be up since there are over 5+ houses on the same road for sale at present
[23:22] <daftykins> chatting to my dad, apparently they have to consider subsidence due to the houses being built atop German trenches from the occupation :) don't get that every day!
[23:53] <shauno> I always wonder how much of that slips into urban legend
[23:53] <shauno> eg, growing up we were told the estate was built on a roman graveyard
[23:54] <daftykins> lol
[23:54] <shauno> and we just took it got granted.  made sense - MoD housing, of course they got the cheapest plot in the west
[23:54] <daftykins> i think the fact there's a bunker beside my parents place suggests that one is quite true, at least
[23:54] <shauno> a few years on it dawned on me that there probably wasn't that many roman graveyards that side of glasgow
[23:55] <daftykins> :D
[23:55] <daftykins> ooh pants my home insurance runs out tomorrow
[23:56] <daftykins> i best get to the company to renew it... 2 doors up the hill :)
[23:56] <shauno> ooeer.  you probably shouldn't drive it too far until you get that sorted :p
[23:56] <daftykins> XD