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xubuntu179hello00:16
xubuntu179is there anybody in there00:16
xubuntu179nooby dooby do00:16
xubuntu179noob noob noob00:16
xubuntu179nooby dooby do00:17
pleia2xubuntu179: this is a support channel, folks reply when there are questions to answer :)00:17
holsteinxubuntu179: just ask.. please use the #xubuntu-offtopic for chat00:17
xubuntu179oh...sorry00:17
xubuntu179obviously new to xubuntu...00:17
xubuntu179looking for sysinfo or in Gates parlance...My Computer00:17
holsteinxubuntu179: what information are you looking for?00:18
xubuntu179system info...RAM...CPU....Disk Space00:18
xubuntu179version number kernal number00:18
xubuntu179simple stuff00:18
bekksxubuntu179: free -m; cat /proc/cpuinfo; df -h; uname -a00:19
xubuntu179...good...good...thanks....00:19
Unit193lshw, inxi, lshw-gtk, some random gnome package they've likely renamed.00:19
holsteinxubuntu179: the file manager should show disk space.. in a terminal, you can use "free -m" for the memory.. the kernel "uname -a".. or, any package manager you would like to use00:19
xubuntu179just tried sudo apt-get install sysinfo worked too00:19
xubuntu179...gr8....thanks team!!00:20
xubuntu179So....how do u pronounce Xubuntu?00:20
xubuntu179Linux Mint was easy to say00:21
holsteinzubuntu is how i say it00:21
holsteinzoo.. but, you can say "x-ubuntu"00:21
xubuntu179bootrosh bootrosh buntu00:21
xubuntu179zoo feels right00:21
xubuntu179restarting gang...thanks for the help!00:22
geniiholstein: I prefer the zoo-buntu pronunciation... if you say x-ubuntu then it's sort of like "Ok, it's ex-ubuntu" sense00:24
holsteinsure.. but it *is* XFCE00:25
Unit193I say "ex-ubuntu", one of the few that says it "wrong" :P00:25
holsteinin the "XFCE-ubuntu" sense, "exubuntu" is more logical.. but, i just say "zoobuntu", and i dont think anyone really minds which00:26
* genii ponders elle-ubuntu and 'kay-ubuntu00:27
stormsighthello, i found something a bit frustrating and wanted to know the reason behind this:01:06
stormsighton xubuntu 13.10 there is no way to format a usb drive and no program installed by default that can do it, why is this?01:07
holsteinstormsight: the command line can.. would you like to make a feature request then?01:08
stormsightyes id like that, i just upgraded from ubuntu 10.04 there was a simple option right clicking the drive, now its gone and i had to install "Disks" to do it01:09
holsteinstormsight: thats changing many things, though.. ubuntu 10.04 wasnt running xfce, correct?01:09
holsteinstormsight: i use gparted01:10
stormsightit wasnt, but i mean since then for some reason this feature has been gone from following ubuntu releases and xubuntu ones too01:10
holsteini think the idea is, if you need/want to format a stick, you'll know how, or figure it out.. also, folks typically try and not format them01:10
stormsightits not practical for me, i use an old laptop xubuntu is great on it, but i try to keep it as skinny as possible its can't handle much01:13
holsteinstormsight: whats not practical?01:13
stormsighthaving to download a program just to being able to format a stick or teaching the owner of this laptop doing that via command line01:14
holsteinits not like usb stick support has been removed.. and, its also easy to add a tool if one wants01:15
stormsightis there a work around that would put back the 'format' in the context menu?01:15
holsteinyou shouldnt need to format a stick.. just remove the data, and show that new user how to do that in the filemanager.. if you want a tool, i find gparted to be handy01:15
holsteinstormsight: nautilus is not in xubuntu01:16
stormsighttools like disks or gparted can do damage if handled improperly, thats what worries me, id like something simple that comes with the system01:17
holsteinstormsight: those tools can, and i think thats why they are not in right click menus anymore01:18
holsteinstormsight: nothing gUI comes with xubuntu right now AFAIK.. so, if you are implementing 13.10 for a new user right now, you are looking at adding something01:19
stormsightyes i added disks01:19
holsteina featuer request like that would be for 14.10, since 14.04 is in freeze AFAIK01:19
holsteinstormsight: so, you have a solution for the new user?01:19
stormsightsort of, but i like this distribution, would love something better in the future01:20
holsteinstormsight: 'better' is a matter of opinion and use case. i actually consider the current setup better, but, you are welcome to request what you like. i would start with an email to the user list, then the dev list01:21
holsteinits near impossible for any distro to please everyone out-of-the-box, though.. you may want to think about just adding something in for your needs01:23
knomeholstein, incorrect... it *is* impossible :)01:35
Unit193knome: No, have 3 users and there's a chance you may be able to...01:35
knomeno way! :P01:35
holsteinhehe01:35
knomehave one user (yourself) and you're still unable to01:36
Unit193Gee thanks, know me too well.01:36
stormsighti will see if some one agrees with me01:36
holsteinstormsight: its fine that you want that feature.. its not about getting anyone to agree.. you can, and are welcome to be the only one, and you can have exactly what you want01:37
holsteini think the issue is going to be, if its a deal-breaker for you that you get right-click format options in thunar by default01:38
poeticrpmcan anyone in here tell me what gtk3 property changes the color of links? I am using xfce-dusk and the links are a dark blue that is very hard to read. I have tried changing define-color link_color and it makes no difference.01:39
poeticrpmGo to thunar---> About and look at the URL link to thunar- THAT is what im trying to change. Of course, that same property causes many other visibility problems and no manner of changing color properties seems to fix it01:40
Unit193I can't tell you what property it is, but thunar is gtk2.01:42
poeticrpmhmmmm... I figured they had changed it by now. I suppose perhaps all the apps giving me this issue are using gtk2 properties..01:43
poeticrpmthats cool.. makes more sense than not having any results.01:43
ballIs there some way to fix a hosed package system or should I just backup and reinstall?02:51
cfhowlett_ball, reinstall02:54
ballcfhowlett_: Thanks02:57
ballI'll get that backup going then.02:57
cfhowlett_ball, good luck02:58
poeticrpmcfhowlett_, ??? This is linux dude. Theres a way02:59
poeticrpmball: whats wrong?02:59
cfhowlett_poeticrpm, post the fix!  I'm happy to be wrong.03:00
ballpoeticrpm: Give me a moment, I'll paste an example error message.03:00
poeticrpmcfhowlett_, I dont even know what the problem is.. but since he didnt post any particulars as to his problem, I dont feel saying reinstall automatically is the linux way03:01
ballI should probably pastebin it.03:01
poeticrpmball: ok. What caused your issue?03:01
cfhowlett_poeticrpm, his package system is scrambled ...03:01
poeticrpmball: yes, please do..03:02
poeticrpmscrambled? By package system you mean APT? Did he try a dist upgrade?03:02
ballhttp://www.pastebin.ca/262329203:03
poeticrpmball:03:05
poeticrpmsudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf03:05
poeticrpmthen run:03:05
poeticrpmsudo apt-get update03:05
cfhowlett_ball, I am so ashamed for giving such bad advice.  mea culpa.  thanks poeticrpm03:07
* ball tries it03:08
poeticrpmcfhowlett_, well, lets see if it works first. Ball?03:08
poeticrpmball: what happened?03:10
ballIt's doing a thing (fetching a directory of packages?)03:11
poeticrpmsweet... that means it will prolly work03:11
* ball nods03:11
ballThanks!03:11
poeticrpmlet me know when its done and we'll run a few commands to make sure everything is straight03:11
ballWe're having to use my daughter's dual-core Atom desktop as our primary PC at present.03:11
poeticrpmtheres still a few things we should do quick ball.. BTW, what lead to this happening?03:11
ballMy wife's quad-core box failed.03:12
poeticrpmouch03:12
poeticrpmhard to take that speed hit03:12
ballpoeticrpm: I've been impressed at how well this holds up with Xubuntu on it.03:12
ball...also impressed that my wife has learned how to use Xubuntu.03:12
poeticrpmball: yeah, xfce is pretty good overall. If you need even faster---> Openbox. But, its not "windows-like" so your wife would have a tougher time. A lot more config involved too. XFCE is pretty sweet03:13
poeticrpmball: im thinking it should have completed by now, so if it didnt, is it stuck on a URL or what?03:14
ballIt just finished.03:14
ball"Reading package lists... Done"03:15
poeticrpmawesome.. what were you doing that ended up resulting in this issue?03:15
poeticrpmwas it an upgrade or something?03:15
ballpoeticrpm: I have no idea. It has been like this for a while.03:15
poeticrpmok, try this:03:15
poeticrpmsudo dpkg --configure -a03:15
poeticrpmsudo apt-get install -f03:16
poeticrpmsudo apt-get clean03:16
ballI use Blackbox quite a lot. I seem to remember that Openbox is a derivative of that.03:16
poeticrpmsudo apt-get upgrade (NOTE: if its been awhile, this will take awhile... This is upgrading everything on the system...)03:17
poeticrpmYeah, blackbox is even lighter. Openbox has some more features, but overall they should feel similar03:17
ballWill that upgrade the OS, the packages or both?03:18
poeticrpmball: the upgrade will essentially download and upgrade all SECURITY upgrades made available. There are a few exceptions: firefox might actually have a version upgrade for instance. For the most part, Xubuntu is frozen at release- you wont get any new packages until you do a distro upgrade03:19
poeticrpmall the "updates" you get are updates to address security or stability issues03:19
ballpoeticrpm: That sounds ideal, thanks.03:21
poeticrpmtherefor, updates shouldnt cause you problems. However, when you dist-upgrade... EVERYTHING changes and crap can break. Usually you can fix it03:21
ball(and thanks for unhosing our PC!)03:21
poeticrpmball: so did the above commands work? can you use apt to install something and see if it works?03:21
ballYes. I just did.03:21
poeticrpmball: sweet. Glad it worked, gotta get back to work03:22
ballI fetched rtorrent, which I'm going to use to fetch a BSD ISO image for my own PC.03:22
ball...if that doesn't work I'm going to wipe it and install Xubuntu03:22
ball:-)03:23
poeticrpmball: sweet- never tried BSD, but have always wanted to. Good luck and later03:23
ballpoeticrpm and cfhowlett_ Thanks for your help.03:23
poeticrpmnp03:23
cfhowlett_heh - he said I "helped" ---03:23
ballpoeticrpm: I've been using it for years. Linux is a bit newfangled to me. ;-)03:23
ballcfhowlett_: Hey, you tried.03:23
cfhowlett_ball, glad you got your box right.03:24
cubed_rootdoes ubuntu software center crash on you guys alot?04:35
cfhowlett_!anyone|cubed_root,04:37
ubottucubed_root,: A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll.04:37
cubed_root!poll04:40
ubottuUsually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors.04:40
xubuntu855I'm confused how to update to the latest version of xubuntu. I got a popup on startup saying my version was no longer supported but I couldn't click the upgrade button. I tried restarting and the popup did not reappear. The only instructions I found via google were for vanilla Ubuntu with the update manager, but it's not in the applications menu. How do I upgrade? I'm comforable with the shell.04:57
cfhowlett_xubuntu855, lsb_release -a   will tell us the version04:58
xubuntu855xand@xandxub:~$ lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:Ubuntu Description:Ubuntu 13.04 Release:13.04 Codename:raring04:59
cfhowlett_!raring|xubuntu855, end of support05:00
ubottuxubuntu855, end of support: Ubuntu 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) was the 18th release of Ubuntu.  Supported ended on January 27, 2014. See !eol, !upgrade and http://ubottu.com/y/raring05:00
cfhowlett_xubuntu855, ask in #ubuntu how to upgrade an EOL version -05:01
xubuntu855cfhowlett_, thanks05:01
HundHow do I use one wallpaper on all my monitors on xfce these days?05:50
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euryaleHi guys!09:59
euryalenew Xubuntu user here :)09:59
euryaleAny of you knows how to fix the workspace switcher?? It's only 'one' since i have installed compiz, reverting back to xfwm4 fixes this but, i want to use compiz.10:01
ochosieuryale: i don't think you can really fix that, because then compiz manages the workspaces10:04
ochosimaybe there's another plugin, anyway i wouldn't know as i don't use compiz10:04
euryalehmmm is there a switcher by compiz?10:04
xubuntu968oh my fucking god10:34
xubuntu968my penis is so big10:34
Unit193!guidelines | xubuntu96810:35
ubottuxubuntu968: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines10:35
Unit193That's clearly not acceptable in any ubuntu channels.10:37
* Poisoned_Dragon facepalms.10:38
xubuntu755hello, I am giulio. I have a problem with the sound.. i installed yesterday xubuntu but the sounds comes out strnge.. distorted.. the songs are played faster.. i am new with xubuntu.. I tried many things yesterday but nothing worked..11:59
xubuntu755somebody can help?12:00
knome!patience | xubuntu75512:01
ubottuxubuntu755: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com/ or http://ubuntuforums.org/ or http://askubuntu.com/12:01
xubuntu755thanks!!!!12:01
xubuntu755hello, I am giulio. I have a problem with the sound.. i installed yesterday xubuntu but the sounds comes out strnge.. distorted.. the songs are played faster.. i am new with xubuntu.. I tried many things yesterday but nothing worked..12:02
knomexubuntu755, did you read the message?12:03
xubuntu755yes thanks12:03
knomexubuntu755, it said "please don't repeat your question quickly"12:03
xubuntu755iaaaaaahhhh!!!! understood the opposite...12:04
knomexubuntu755, is italian your native language?12:04
xubuntu755yes12:04
knome!it | xubuntu755, you can try the italian channel:12:04
ubottuxubuntu755, you can try the italian channel:: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)12:04
xubuntu755thanks guys12:06
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euryalealt+tab doesn't work in xubuntu with compiz installed.13:38
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brainwash_euryale: you have to configure compiz to enable window switching via alt-tab13:54
euryalebrainwash_, yes i did that, but everytime i did that moments later it will be disabled again.13:55
euryalesorry for wrong grammar.13:55
brainwash_maybe the guys in #compiz or #ubuntu know how to fix that13:56
limbanihello I have installed xubuntu yesterday and i have problem with the audio13:57
euryalelimbani, i have searched for that too, and i'm glad it's fix.13:58
euryalebrainwash_, i'll check the channel :D13:58
limbanithanks euryale!!!14:00
euryale:D14:01
limbanieuryale, how did u do it?14:02
euryalelimbani, wait im still looking at my search history i 4got to jot it down lol :D14:03
euryalelimbani, here you go: http://xubuntugeek.blogspot.com/2013/12/solved-xubuntu-1310-sound-indicator.html14:05
limbaniah sorry!!!:) did not get it.. i am new here..14:05
euryalei am too :D14:05
limbanithank you my friend!!!14:06
euryalelol you have to try it first, but it worked for me, i hope it will help u too.14:07
brainwash_euryale: this problem is officially fixed, so no need to use a PPA or workaround anymore14:07
limbanieuryale, but did u have problem just with the indicator or also with the sound?14:07
euryaleno the indicator only, but u can access the volume control in the menu>multimedia> pulseaudio volume control14:08
euryalebrainwash_, sorry i am also new, i haven't updated xubuntu since installing it 1 1/2 days ago.14:09
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brainwash_euryale: but installing the latest updates is usually the first thing everyone does after the installation :)14:10
brainwash_especially to grab all the security related updates14:10
euryalelol yes, i was afraid of the 300mb+ update size, but i will definitely update the system. i haven't thought a fix will be in the update, my bad :|14:11
brainwash_don't worry, but everyone here expects that the person seeking for help has an up-to-date system14:13
euryale:)14:14
euryalebrainwash_, is it ok to install emerald in gala, sorry for asking unrelated thing but i thought u might know.14:14
brainwash_euryale: emerald? gala?14:19
euryaleyes14:22
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Golynxhi i enabled the Indicator plugin in xubuntu's top panel, to make the volume work. Now my network icon dropdown menu have no "Disconnect" option14:28
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brainwash_Golynx: wasn't the indicator plugin enabled by default?14:30
Golynxit only has "Enable Networking" and "Edit Connections" options in that dropdown menu. How can i disconnect my internet now ?14:30
Golynxbrainwash_ : yes , but not enabled to show in the top panel14:31
brainwash_does the menu show your active wireless connection?14:32
Golynxshould i just reboot with the internet still active and see if that "Disconnect" option comes back ?14:32
GolynxNo it does'nt14:33
brainwash_worth a try, or simply restarting the network manager service could be enough14:33
Golynxhmm ok, do you know the command for that ?14:34
brainwash_try "sudo restart network-manager"14:34
Golynx_brainwash_ it worked thanks14:36
brainwash_great :)14:36
Golynx_i didnt know network manager was a service hehe14:37
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xubuntu246hello, can some one help me?14:43
elfyno idea yet - ask the question and if someone can then they will14:44
xubuntu246I have xubuntu installed but can not find my internet card.14:45
xubuntu246i have a sweex lw142 nitro14:46
xubuntu246some one?14:47
elfy!patience | xubuntu24614:47
ubottuxubuntu246: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com/ or http://ubuntuforums.org/ or http://askubuntu.com/14:47
xubuntu246oke thanks14:47
kRushany ideas why /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state would be all zero but total_trans is counting? as far as I understand it's controlled by the same kernel option14:50
xubuntu246I have xubuntu installed but can not find my internet card. I have a sweex lw142 nitro. can some one help me?14:53
euryalewill installing gnome in xubuntu 13.10 break the system??14:57
xubuntu246someone who wants to help me. can not find anything at https://help.ubuntu.com/ or http://ubuntuforums.org/ or http://askubuntu.com/15:00
elfyxubuntu246: people that can answer you will - there's no need to repeat this often15:02
elfyeuryale: what do you mean by 'installing gnome' exactly15:03
xubuntu246I understand15:03
euryalebe able to switch from xfce to gnome desktop.15:04
xubuntu246otherwise it would have been a pay system15:04
euryalecause im having bugs with compiz installed in xfce, so i thought installing gnome would be compatible.15:04
elfyeuryale: do you mean something like gnome-desktop?15:05
euryaleyes.15:05
elfythen I doubt it - but I can't be sure15:05
euryaleit's almost done with the installation i hope it ok and nothing breaks :)15:06
elfyyou might end up with a bunch of duplicate menu entries/apps that do the same15:07
euryaleok it's finish, do i need to remove or just logout??15:07
elfyremove?15:07
euryalei mean reboot lol haha.15:07
elfypossibly - I would in that case15:08
euryaleok. brb15:08
euryalethanks :)15:09
euryalexubuntu246, hmmm successfully here in gnome.15:15
xubuntu246?15:16
euryalegnome desktop i mean15:16
elfypersonally I'd not call it a success - but glad you're sorted out :)15:17
xubuntu246I do not know how that's going to help me15:17
euryalebut the thing is.. it looks ugly :p no offense to gnome users.15:18
euryalemaybe switching to gnome classic..15:18
euryalebrb again..15:18
elfyxubuntu246: more than you are in here looking for help15:19
xubuntu246euryale was talking to me so i got confuses15:19
elfyoh yea15:20
elfyxubuntu246: I've not been able to find anything about that card of yours, did it work in the live usb or whatever you installed from?15:21
xubuntu246it wasnt working on the usb and after the install it was not working15:21
elfyright15:22
euryalexubuntu246, oh my, it was horrible! that interface ughh.15:33
xubuntu246elfy which internet card would you recommend me if I'm going to buy a new one (this is still a bad card)15:35
elfyabsolutely no Idea I'm afraid15:36
xubuntu246shit15:36
xubuntu246perhaps a quicker solution15:36
xubuntu246The card must be compatible15:37
elfyhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported15:40
xubuntu246elfy thanks this will do the job 4 me15:42
xubuntu246i just buy a new one15:42
elfywelcome15:42
euryalei have a problem, i already remove gnome desktop in xubuntu, but still it's taking over xfwm4. why is that? i rebooted the sytem but still nothing happened.15:48
holsteineuryale: gnome doesnt ship with xubuntu.. did you install it?15:48
euryaleyeah i wanted to try gnome and installed it in xubuntu.15:49
holsteineuryale: how? how did you remove it? when you say "nothing is happening", what in fact *is* happening?15:50
euryalei removed it via software center and not in terminal. what i mean was unstalling gnome-desktop nothing happened its still there.15:50
euryaleholstein, i'll be back, i will reboot the system.15:51
euryaleholstein, im back :)15:54
euryaleobviously gnome is still in xubuntu, i don't know y it wasn't remove.15:55
holsteineuryale: what are you trying to remove? what exactly is happening?15:55
Golynxit almost sounds like the time i chmoded the root directory recursivly by accident and lost access to everything. Had to do a backup and reinstalled xubuntu to get the default  system settings back.15:57
euryaleholstein, i did this line: sudo apt-get autoremove gnome-shell -y15:59
euryaleit's currently removing gnome. i don't know why software center didn't remove it.16:00
KnightSirThomxorg crashed with SIGABRT    executable path /usr/bin/xorg   package  xserver-xorg-core 211.14.3-3 ubuntu2         what can I do to fix this reccurring problem?16:31
brainwashKnightSirThom: did you let apport send the report to launchpad?16:33
chunhaohey guys, new to linux here. my wallpaper is distorted after every boot, any idea?16:53
brainwashchunhao: login screen or actual session background?16:54
chunhaothe wallpaper on dekstop16:54
brainwashdoes running "xfdesktop --reload" help?16:55
xubuntu411buonasera a tutti16:56
brainwash!it16:56
ubottuVai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)16:56
chunhaonot sure for now, changing to another wallpaper will make it normal, but after a reboot it is distorted again16:56
xubuntu411qualcuno sa dirmi quali tipi di processori supporta xubuntu?16:56
xubuntu411spero qualcuno risponde :=)16:57
Pici!it16:57
Picier, oops16:57
brainwashchunhao: that's strange, I suggest that you file a bug report on launchpad16:59
brainwashcould be hardware/driver related16:59
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brainwashsimply run "ubuntu-bug xfdesktop4"16:59
chunhaoi thought it is somewhat related to driver, but i checked the additional driver section insetting and there is no available driver17:00
chunhaoreport sent17:06
chunhaoi have another problem, when select the default browser to chrome form chrome itself, it wont stick after something that require me to choose which browser to use pop up17:07
brainwashchunhao: did to verify that chrome is set as default in the settings manager? settings manager > preferred applications17:08
brainwashdid you17:09
chunhaowhen i set chrome to be default browser from the preferred application, chrome says it is not the default on when i launch it, and when i set it as default on from chrome itself, the one i set in preferred application gets reset17:10
brainwashchrome's way to set the default browser might not work properly (for all cases)17:10
brainwashthis link might be helpful http://askubuntu.com/questions/143221/how-to-set-up-google-chrome-as-default-browser-in-xubuntu17:12
chunhaothank you very much, now my last question for today, does the latest version of youtube-dl working for you, i cant get it to download a video17:15
brainwashchunhao: youtube-dl gets updated quite often, but the package in 13.10 might be outdated17:17
brainwashyou could download the latest version from the official site17:17
brainwashit's just a python script after all17:18
chunhaoi updated it to the latest version, hmm its ok, have to go now, i will try solve it tomorrow, happy to talk to you :)17:18
brainwash_chunhao: and regarding your xfdesktop4, you should add details about your hardware to the report17:20
brainwashsee http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/download.html17:20
brainwash_especially graphics card and driver in use17:20
ezrhinoHello. Even after disabling update manager from startup, it still runs . How can i make it on demand only?18:33
brainwash_ezrhino: disable it via settings manager > software & updates > updates (tab)18:37
ezrhinoty i will try now18:39
ezrhinothere is no software and updates, updates18:39
brainwash_"software sources" maybe?18:40
ezrhinono18:40
ezrhinosessions ans startup?18:40
ezrhinowhere i disabled it first time18:40
Golynxezrhino: try sudo update-manager18:40
ezrhinookay it opened18:41
ezrhinothen closes very quickly18:42
brainwash_should be "software-properties-gtk"18:42
ezrhinookay i have it opened18:42
Golynxoh xfce-desktop is different :/18:43
ezrhinoim in software sources and  if i turn off auto check, it still launches but it wont check when it does. I dont want it to even launch18:44
ezrhinounder "update" tab18:44
brainwash_that's odd18:45
ezrhinovery18:46
ezrhinowas never an issue before18:46
brainwash_are there pending updates?18:46
brainwash_and what exactly launches?18:46
brainwash_the confirm dialog which tells the user that everything is up-to-date? :)18:47
ezrhinothe actualy update manager lauches at boot and checks for updates18:48
ezrhinoactual*18:48
ezrhinosometimes it finds, sometimes it doenst18:48
elfyI'd try - setting the updates to not checking, disable in startup apps - and then clear saved sessions18:48
Golynxezrhino: if you can check this file if all the numbers show "0" then updates should be off /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic18:48
ezrhinochecking18:49
elfyif it's that annoying - remove it - it won't show up then18:50
ezrhino1,1,0,118:50
Golynxyes its still on18:51
ezrhinoall i want is for update manager to only launch when i want to check18:51
Golynxmine is always 0,0,0,018:52
ezrhinocant open file to write18:52
Golynxyou can sudo nano /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic and change those values to "0"18:52
ezrhinok18:52
ezrhinohow do i tell it to save?18:54
brainwash_ctrl + x18:56
Delan82Lubuntu and Xubuntu. Which system is more lightweight today and better for not new netbook?18:56
ezrhinoseems like it created more in apt.conf.d18:56
brainwash_Delan82: lubuntu is more lightweight18:57
Delan82You sure?18:57
elfyyes18:57
ezrhinonow i have 10periodi,10periodic.save and 10periodic.save.118:57
Delan82Xubuntu will slow work here ? :(18:57
Delan82KDE Gnome Unity all very slow18:58
brainwash_you can boot the live cd and test it18:58
Golynxezrhino: the one with the changes in is the right one18:58
ezrhinowill it access it? or do i need to delte the olds?18:58
ezrhinowhich i cant seem to do18:59
Golynxmake sure its named 10periodic18:59
ezrhinok18:59
Golynxsudo thunar18:59
ezrhinorename is grayed out18:59
ezrhinoty19:00
knomeGolynx, gksudo for graphical applications19:00
knomeezrhino, be careful with a root-access thunar.19:01
Delan82i cant test19:01
Delan82i can only install19:01
knomeDelan82, how much RAM do you have?19:01
Delan821 gb19:01
ezrhinoty, thunar worked. i will reboot and try19:01
ezrhinoi was careful :)19:01
knomeDelan82, xubuntu should be able to run with that, but if you want maximum speed, i would go for lubuntu.19:01
ezrhinothunar is handy tool to know, ty19:01
Delan82And Ubuntu + Fluxbox - trash?19:02
knomeDelan82, with 1GB, you might or might not think xubuntu is "smooth" (and it's not all about the RAM either)19:02
ezrhinosame problem. Update manager launches at startup but says i must manually check19:04
ezrhinoI dont want it to even launch19:04
GolynxDoes /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic  still have the values ?19:05
ezrhinono all 019:05
Golynxhmm19:05
Golynxmust be a bug somewhere19:06
ezrhinough, just reared its head i guess. Anyway to like fix this and not have to reinstall os?19:06
knomeDelan82, no reason why that wouldn't work as well, but that probably involves much more configuration.19:06
nanotubeDelan82: fwiw, i have a dell mini 9 with 1gb ram running xubuntu - no problems. but as others say, best way is to try both. :)19:06
ezrhinoill make an ubuntu forum post cause i cant stay now. ty to everyone that tried to help19:08
Golynxyw19:09
Dan_DHi there, got a slight issue. On the 'start menu' (button at top left) there is a section called 'Other'. It contains launchers that lead to programs I have deleted. How do I get rid of them? They do not show up in the settings manager!20:20
Dan_DAnd speaking of which, how do I generally delete launchers, not from the menu, but from the system generally, so they do not appear in things like the Open With application list when opening new file types?20:21
golyhello guys! im still pretty new to linux and heard a lot of ubuntu/canonical bashing on the internet. some of it convern things that ubuntu does different than others, like mir instead of wayland, etc. how will this affect ubuntu-based distros, especially that closely realted like xubuntu?20:53
Unit193We'll see, but Xfce upstream hasn't shown interest in Mir (or for that matter, I don't think wayland right now, too busy with gtk3/reallife.)  Some of the "problems" aren't there because Xubuntu simply isn't using Unity.20:55
golyUnit193, ok, so this is not like ubuntu heads into it's own direction which forces other ubuntu-based distros to make same controversial decisions, because the "core" of ubuntu wont support the other options?21:02
Unit193Mir/xmir was looked at last cycle, it wasn't ready so we didn't use it.  Some core changes are a bit of a lead/follow change, but Xubuntu is a community distro so may choose things differently.21:04
golyUnit193, ok, so this is more less what i wanted to know as a newb. thanks :)21:17
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jarnosI can't connect to google (talk) account by Pidgin anymore.21:51
JamesAanyone able to help with some install issues?22:23
holsteinJamesA: just ask22:24
JamesAI'm unable to successfully boot 12.04 and/or 13.10 from a usb. I've done this plenty of times before with other distros22:25
JamesAIt usually hangs on the splash screen if i select try without installing. and if i try to just install it crashes due to some sort of sound card error22:26
holsteinJamesA: what is the constant? same USB stick? same hardware?22:26
JamesAsame hardware (Clevo W230ST), same usb22:26
holsteinJamesA: think of it a bit like a scientific experient.. since, i know both of those boot, you can assume that, best case, they *should* boot.. so, you can start with teh md5 sum22:27
holstein!md522:27
ubottuTo verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows22:27
holsteinthen, the usb stick.. which, you can try on another machine to see22:27
holsteinso on.. til you figure out whats going on22:27
JamesAI just did a fresh install of windows 8.1, and I am attempting to dual boot. I have successfully done this before with the latest version of openSUSE22:29
JamesAnot sure if that information helps at all22:29
holsteinJamesA: not really.. i mean, i can assure you on my hardware, i have installed both of those.. both suse and ubuntu22:29
holsteinJamesA: so, can the stick you made boot on other hardware?22:29
holsteinJamesA: is the md5 sum good for the iso you downloaded?22:29
JamesAyes and yes22:30
holsteinJamesA: so, whats the issue? a black screen? an error?22:30
Unit193If it's Win8, need 64bit because of UEFI.  You can edit the boot options removing  quiet splash  to see what's actually going on and where it hangs.22:31
JamesAIf i select "try without installing" on 13.10 it just hangs on the splash screen. 12.04 boots with no gui22:31
JamesA12.04 would be my preferred choice22:32
holsteinJamesA: you are using 64bit?22:32
JamesAyes22:32
holstein!nomodeset | JamesA is where i would start22:33
ubottuJamesA is where i would start: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter22:33
JamesAI read about that option a while ago, but I couldn't get to a stage where I could actually try it22:35
JamesAI'll try again though22:35
JamesAthere was no option to press F622:36
holsteinit think you will want to tap shift to show that menu22:36
JamesAah ok22:36
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KnightSirThombrainwash: yes I sent the report a few times23:42
brainwash_KnightSirThom: your problem is xorg related, maybe someone will be able to help you if you actually link the bugreport(s)23:50
brainwash_and also try asking in #xorg23:51

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