[00:16] <xubuntu179> hello
[00:16] <xubuntu179> is there anybody in there
[00:16] <xubuntu179> nooby dooby do
[00:16] <xubuntu179> noob noob noob
[00:17] <xubuntu179> nooby dooby do
[00:17] <pleia2> xubuntu179: this is a support channel, folks reply when there are questions to answer :)
[00:17] <holstein> xubuntu179: just ask.. please use the #xubuntu-offtopic for chat
[00:17] <xubuntu179> oh...sorry
[00:17] <xubuntu179> obviously new to xubuntu...
[00:17] <xubuntu179> looking for sysinfo or in Gates parlance...My Computer
[00:18] <holstein> xubuntu179: what information are you looking for?
[00:18] <xubuntu179> system info...RAM...CPU....Disk Space
[00:18] <xubuntu179> version number kernal number
[00:18] <xubuntu179> simple stuff
[00:19] <bekks> xubuntu179: free -m; cat /proc/cpuinfo; df -h; uname -a
[00:19] <xubuntu179> ...good...good...thanks....
[00:19] <Unit193> lshw, inxi, lshw-gtk, some random gnome package they've likely renamed.
[00:19] <holstein> xubuntu179: the file manager should show disk space.. in a terminal, you can use "free -m" for the memory.. the kernel "uname -a".. or, any package manager you would like to use
[00:19] <xubuntu179> just tried sudo apt-get install sysinfo worked too
[00:20] <xubuntu179> ...gr8....thanks team!!
[00:20] <xubuntu179> So....how do u pronounce Xubuntu?
[00:21] <xubuntu179> Linux Mint was easy to say
[00:21] <holstein> zubuntu is how i say it
[00:21] <holstein> zoo.. but, you can say "x-ubuntu"
[00:21] <xubuntu179> bootrosh bootrosh buntu
[00:21] <xubuntu179> zoo feels right
[00:22] <xubuntu179> restarting gang...thanks for the help!
[00:24] <genii> holstein: I prefer the zoo-buntu pronunciation... if you say x-ubuntu then it's sort of like "Ok, it's ex-ubuntu" sense
[00:25] <holstein> sure.. but it *is* XFCE
[00:25] <Unit193> I say "ex-ubuntu", one of the few that says it "wrong" :P
[00:26] <holstein> in the "XFCE-ubuntu" sense, "exubuntu" is more logical.. but, i just say "zoobuntu", and i dont think anyone really minds which
[00:27]  * genii ponders elle-ubuntu and 'kay-ubuntu
[01:06] <stormsight> hello, i found something a bit frustrating and wanted to know the reason behind this:
[01:07] <stormsight> on xubuntu 13.10 there is no way to format a usb drive and no program installed by default that can do it, why is this?
[01:08] <holstein> stormsight: the command line can.. would you like to make a feature request then?
[01:09] <stormsight> yes id like that, i just upgraded from ubuntu 10.04 there was a simple option right clicking the drive, now its gone and i had to install "Disks" to do it
[01:09] <holstein> stormsight: thats changing many things, though.. ubuntu 10.04 wasnt running xfce, correct?
[01:10] <holstein> stormsight: i use gparted
[01:10] <stormsight> it wasnt, but i mean since then for some reason this feature has been gone from following ubuntu releases and xubuntu ones too
[01:10] <holstein> i think the idea is, if you need/want to format a stick, you'll know how, or figure it out.. also, folks typically try and not format them
[01:13] <stormsight> its not practical for me, i use an old laptop xubuntu is great on it, but i try to keep it as skinny as possible its can't handle much
[01:13] <holstein> stormsight: whats not practical?
[01:14] <stormsight> having to download a program just to being able to format a stick or teaching the owner of this laptop doing that via command line
[01:15] <holstein> its not like usb stick support has been removed.. and, its also easy to add a tool if one wants
[01:15] <stormsight> is there a work around that would put back the 'format' in the context menu?
[01:15] <holstein> you shouldnt need to format a stick.. just remove the data, and show that new user how to do that in the filemanager.. if you want a tool, i find gparted to be handy
[01:16] <holstein> stormsight: nautilus is not in xubuntu
[01:17] <stormsight> tools like disks or gparted can do damage if handled improperly, thats what worries me, id like something simple that comes with the system
[01:18] <holstein> stormsight: those tools can, and i think thats why they are not in right click menus anymore
[01:19] <holstein> stormsight: nothing gUI comes with xubuntu right now AFAIK.. so, if you are implementing 13.10 for a new user right now, you are looking at adding something
[01:19] <stormsight> yes i added disks
[01:19] <holstein> a featuer request like that would be for 14.10, since 14.04 is in freeze AFAIK
[01:19] <holstein> stormsight: so, you have a solution for the new user?
[01:20] <stormsight> sort of, but i like this distribution, would love something better in the future
[01:21] <holstein> stormsight: 'better' is a matter of opinion and use case. i actually consider the current setup better, but, you are welcome to request what you like. i would start with an email to the user list, then the dev list
[01:23] <holstein> its near impossible for any distro to please everyone out-of-the-box, though.. you may want to think about just adding something in for your needs
[01:35] <knome> holstein, incorrect... it *is* impossible :)
[01:35] <Unit193> knome: No, have 3 users and there's a chance you may be able to...
[01:35] <knome> no way! :P
[01:35] <holstein> hehe
[01:36] <knome> have one user (yourself) and you're still unable to
[01:36] <Unit193> Gee thanks, know me too well.
[01:36] <stormsight> i will see if some one agrees with me
[01:37] <holstein> stormsight: its fine that you want that feature.. its not about getting anyone to agree.. you can, and are welcome to be the only one, and you can have exactly what you want
[01:38] <holstein> i think the issue is going to be, if its a deal-breaker for you that you get right-click format options in thunar by default
[01:39] <poeticrpm> can anyone in here tell me what gtk3 property changes the color of links? I am using xfce-dusk and the links are a dark blue that is very hard to read. I have tried changing define-color link_color and it makes no difference.
[01:40] <poeticrpm> Go to thunar---> About and look at the URL link to thunar- THAT is what im trying to change. Of course, that same property causes many other visibility problems and no manner of changing color properties seems to fix it
[01:42] <Unit193> I can't tell you what property it is, but thunar is gtk2.
[01:43] <poeticrpm> hmmmm... I figured they had changed it by now. I suppose perhaps all the apps giving me this issue are using gtk2 properties..
[01:43] <poeticrpm> thats cool.. makes more sense than not having any results.
[02:51] <ball> Is there some way to fix a hosed package system or should I just backup and reinstall?
[02:54] <cfhowlett_> ball, reinstall
[02:57] <ball> cfhowlett_: Thanks
[02:57] <ball> I'll get that backup going then.
[02:58] <cfhowlett_> ball, good luck
[02:59] <poeticrpm> cfhowlett_, ??? This is linux dude. Theres a way
[02:59] <poeticrpm> ball: whats wrong?
[03:00] <cfhowlett_> poeticrpm, post the fix!  I'm happy to be wrong.
[03:00] <ball> poeticrpm: Give me a moment, I'll paste an example error message.
[03:01] <poeticrpm> cfhowlett_, I dont even know what the problem is.. but since he didnt post any particulars as to his problem, I dont feel saying reinstall automatically is the linux way
[03:01] <ball> I should probably pastebin it.
[03:01] <poeticrpm> ball: ok. What caused your issue?
[03:01] <cfhowlett_> poeticrpm, his package system is scrambled ...
[03:02] <poeticrpm> ball: yes, please do..
[03:02] <poeticrpm> scrambled? By package system you mean APT? Did he try a dist upgrade?
[03:03] <ball> http://www.pastebin.ca/2623292
[03:05] <poeticrpm> ball:
[03:05] <poeticrpm> sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf
[03:05] <poeticrpm> then run:
[03:05] <poeticrpm> sudo apt-get update
[03:07] <cfhowlett_> ball, I am so ashamed for giving such bad advice.  mea culpa.  thanks poeticrpm
[03:08]  * ball tries it
[03:08] <poeticrpm> cfhowlett_, well, lets see if it works first. Ball?
[03:10] <poeticrpm> ball: what happened?
[03:11] <ball> It's doing a thing (fetching a directory of packages?)
[03:11] <poeticrpm> sweet... that means it will prolly work
[03:11]  * ball nods
[03:11] <ball> Thanks!
[03:11] <poeticrpm> let me know when its done and we'll run a few commands to make sure everything is straight
[03:11] <ball> We're having to use my daughter's dual-core Atom desktop as our primary PC at present.
[03:11] <poeticrpm> theres still a few things we should do quick ball.. BTW, what lead to this happening?
[03:12] <ball> My wife's quad-core box failed.
[03:12] <poeticrpm> ouch
[03:12] <poeticrpm> hard to take that speed hit
[03:12] <ball> poeticrpm: I've been impressed at how well this holds up with Xubuntu on it.
[03:12] <ball> ...also impressed that my wife has learned how to use Xubuntu.
[03:13] <poeticrpm> ball: yeah, xfce is pretty good overall. If you need even faster---> Openbox. But, its not "windows-like" so your wife would have a tougher time. A lot more config involved too. XFCE is pretty sweet
[03:14] <poeticrpm> ball: im thinking it should have completed by now, so if it didnt, is it stuck on a URL or what?
[03:14] <ball> It just finished.
[03:15] <ball> "Reading package lists... Done"
[03:15] <poeticrpm> awesome.. what were you doing that ended up resulting in this issue?
[03:15] <poeticrpm> was it an upgrade or something?
[03:15] <ball> poeticrpm: I have no idea. It has been like this for a while.
[03:15] <poeticrpm> ok, try this:
[03:15] <poeticrpm> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:16] <poeticrpm> sudo apt-get install -f
[03:16] <poeticrpm> sudo apt-get clean
[03:16] <ball> I use Blackbox quite a lot. I seem to remember that Openbox is a derivative of that.
[03:17] <poeticrpm> sudo apt-get upgrade (NOTE: if its been awhile, this will take awhile... This is upgrading everything on the system...)
[03:17] <poeticrpm> Yeah, blackbox is even lighter. Openbox has some more features, but overall they should feel similar
[03:18] <ball> Will that upgrade the OS, the packages or both?
[03:19] <poeticrpm> ball: the upgrade will essentially download and upgrade all SECURITY upgrades made available. There are a few exceptions: firefox might actually have a version upgrade for instance. For the most part, Xubuntu is frozen at release- you wont get any new packages until you do a distro upgrade
[03:19] <poeticrpm> all the "updates" you get are updates to address security or stability issues
[03:21] <ball> poeticrpm: That sounds ideal, thanks.
[03:21] <poeticrpm> therefor, updates shouldnt cause you problems. However, when you dist-upgrade... EVERYTHING changes and crap can break. Usually you can fix it
[03:21] <ball> (and thanks for unhosing our PC!)
[03:21] <poeticrpm> ball: so did the above commands work? can you use apt to install something and see if it works?
[03:21] <ball> Yes. I just did.
[03:22] <poeticrpm> ball: sweet. Glad it worked, gotta get back to work
[03:22] <ball> I fetched rtorrent, which I'm going to use to fetch a BSD ISO image for my own PC.
[03:22] <ball> ...if that doesn't work I'm going to wipe it and install Xubuntu
[03:23] <ball> :-)
[03:23] <poeticrpm> ball: sweet- never tried BSD, but have always wanted to. Good luck and later
[03:23] <ball> poeticrpm and cfhowlett_ Thanks for your help.
[03:23] <poeticrpm> np
[03:23] <cfhowlett_> heh - he said I "helped" ---
[03:23] <ball> poeticrpm: I've been using it for years. Linux is a bit newfangled to me. ;-)
[03:23] <ball> cfhowlett_: Hey, you tried.
[03:24] <cfhowlett_> ball, glad you got your box right.
[04:35] <cubed_root> does ubuntu software center crash on you guys alot?
[04:37] <cfhowlett_> !anyone|cubed_root,
[04:40] <cubed_root> !poll
[04:57] <xubuntu855> I'm confused how to update to the latest version of xubuntu. I got a popup on startup saying my version was no longer supported but I couldn't click the upgrade button. I tried restarting and the popup did not reappear. The only instructions I found via google were for vanilla Ubuntu with the update manager, but it's not in the applications menu. How do I upgrade? I'm comforable with the shell.
[04:58] <cfhowlett_> xubuntu855, lsb_release -a   will tell us the version
[04:59] <xubuntu855> xand@xandxub:~$ lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 13.04 Release:	13.04 Codename:	raring
[05:00] <cfhowlett_> !raring|xubuntu855, end of support
[05:01] <cfhowlett_> xubuntu855, ask in #ubuntu how to upgrade an EOL version -
[05:01] <xubuntu855> cfhowlett_, thanks
[05:50] <Hund> How do I use one wallpaper on all my monitors on xfce these days?
[09:59] <euryale> Hi guys!
[09:59] <euryale> new Xubuntu user here :)
[10:01] <euryale> Any of you knows how to fix the workspace switcher?? It's only 'one' since i have installed compiz, reverting back to xfwm4 fixes this but, i want to use compiz.
[10:04] <ochosi> euryale: i don't think you can really fix that, because then compiz manages the workspaces
[10:04] <ochosi> maybe there's another plugin, anyway i wouldn't know as i don't use compiz
[10:04] <euryale> hmmm is there a switcher by compiz?
[10:34] <xubuntu968> oh my fucking god
[10:34] <xubuntu968> my penis is so big
[10:35] <Unit193> !guidelines | xubuntu968
[10:37] <Unit193> That's clearly not acceptable in any ubuntu channels.
[10:38]  * Poisoned_Dragon facepalms.
[11:59] <xubuntu755> hello, I am giulio. I have a problem with the sound.. i installed yesterday xubuntu but the sounds comes out strnge.. distorted.. the songs are played faster.. i am new with xubuntu.. I tried many things yesterday but nothing worked..
[12:00] <xubuntu755> somebody can help?
[12:01] <knome> !patience | xubuntu755
[12:01] <xubuntu755> thanks!!!!
[12:02] <xubuntu755> hello, I am giulio. I have a problem with the sound.. i installed yesterday xubuntu but the sounds comes out strnge.. distorted.. the songs are played faster.. i am new with xubuntu.. I tried many things yesterday but nothing worked..
[12:03] <knome> xubuntu755, did you read the message?
[12:03] <xubuntu755> yes thanks
[12:03] <knome> xubuntu755, it said "please don't repeat your question quickly"
[12:04] <xubuntu755> iaaaaaahhhh!!!! understood the opposite...
[12:04] <knome> xubuntu755, is italian your native language?
[12:04] <xubuntu755> yes
[12:04] <knome> !it | xubuntu755, you can try the italian channel:
[12:06] <xubuntu755> thanks guys
[13:38] <euryale> alt+tab doesn't work in xubuntu with compiz installed.
[13:54] <brainwash_> euryale: you have to configure compiz to enable window switching via alt-tab
[13:55] <euryale> brainwash_, yes i did that, but everytime i did that moments later it will be disabled again.
[13:55] <euryale> sorry for wrong grammar.
[13:56] <brainwash_> maybe the guys in #compiz or #ubuntu know how to fix that
[13:57] <limbani> hello I have installed xubuntu yesterday and i have problem with the audio
[13:58] <euryale> limbani, i have searched for that too, and i'm glad it's fix.
[13:58] <euryale> brainwash_, i'll check the channel :D
[14:00] <limbani> thanks euryale!!!
[14:01] <euryale> :D
[14:02] <limbani> euryale, how did u do it?
[14:03] <euryale> limbani, wait im still looking at my search history i 4got to jot it down lol :D
[14:05] <euryale> limbani, here you go: http://xubuntugeek.blogspot.com/2013/12/solved-xubuntu-1310-sound-indicator.html
[14:05] <limbani> ah sorry!!!:) did not get it.. i am new here..
[14:05] <euryale> i am too :D
[14:06] <limbani> thank you my friend!!!
[14:07] <euryale> lol you have to try it first, but it worked for me, i hope it will help u too.
[14:07] <brainwash_> euryale: this problem is officially fixed, so no need to use a PPA or workaround anymore
[14:07] <limbani> euryale, but did u have problem just with the indicator or also with the sound?
[14:08] <euryale> no the indicator only, but u can access the volume control in the menu>multimedia> pulseaudio volume control
[14:09] <euryale> brainwash_, sorry i am also new, i haven't updated xubuntu since installing it 1 1/2 days ago.
[14:10] <brainwash_> euryale: but installing the latest updates is usually the first thing everyone does after the installation :)
[14:10] <brainwash_> especially to grab all the security related updates
[14:11] <euryale> lol yes, i was afraid of the 300mb+ update size, but i will definitely update the system. i haven't thought a fix will be in the update, my bad :|
[14:13] <brainwash_> don't worry, but everyone here expects that the person seeking for help has an up-to-date system
[14:14] <euryale> :)
[14:14] <euryale> brainwash_, is it ok to install emerald in gala, sorry for asking unrelated thing but i thought u might know.
[14:19] <brainwash_> euryale: emerald? gala?
[14:22] <euryale> yes
[14:28] <Golynx> hi i enabled the Indicator plugin in xubuntu's top panel, to make the volume work. Now my network icon dropdown menu have no "Disconnect" option
[14:30] <brainwash_> Golynx: wasn't the indicator plugin enabled by default?
[14:30] <Golynx> it only has "Enable Networking" and "Edit Connections" options in that dropdown menu. How can i disconnect my internet now ?
[14:31] <Golynx> brainwash_ : yes , but not enabled to show in the top panel
[14:32] <brainwash_> does the menu show your active wireless connection?
[14:32] <Golynx> should i just reboot with the internet still active and see if that "Disconnect" option comes back ?
[14:33] <Golynx> No it does'nt
[14:33] <brainwash_> worth a try, or simply restarting the network manager service could be enough
[14:34] <Golynx> hmm ok, do you know the command for that ?
[14:34] <brainwash_> try "sudo restart network-manager"
[14:36] <Golynx_> brainwash_ it worked thanks
[14:36] <brainwash_> great :)
[14:37] <Golynx_> i didnt know network manager was a service hehe
[14:43] <xubuntu246> hello, can some one help me?
[14:44] <elfy> no idea yet - ask the question and if someone can then they will
[14:45] <xubuntu246> I have xubuntu installed but can not find my internet card.
[14:46] <xubuntu246> i have a sweex lw142 nitro
[14:47] <xubuntu246> some one?
[14:47] <elfy> !patience | xubuntu246
[14:47] <xubuntu246> oke thanks
[14:50] <kRush> any ideas why /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state would be all zero but total_trans is counting? as far as I understand it's controlled by the same kernel option
[14:53] <xubuntu246> I have xubuntu installed but can not find my internet card. I have a sweex lw142 nitro. can some one help me?
[14:57] <euryale> will installing gnome in xubuntu 13.10 break the system??
[15:00] <xubuntu246> someone who wants to help me. can not find anything at https://help.ubuntu.com/ or http://ubuntuforums.org/ or http://askubuntu.com/
[15:02] <elfy> xubuntu246: people that can answer you will - there's no need to repeat this often
[15:03] <elfy> euryale: what do you mean by 'installing gnome' exactly
[15:03] <xubuntu246> I understand
[15:04] <euryale> be able to switch from xfce to gnome desktop.
[15:04] <xubuntu246> otherwise it would have been a pay system
[15:04] <euryale> cause im having bugs with compiz installed in xfce, so i thought installing gnome would be compatible.
[15:05] <elfy> euryale: do you mean something like gnome-desktop?
[15:05] <euryale> yes.
[15:05] <elfy> then I doubt it - but I can't be sure
[15:06] <euryale> it's almost done with the installation i hope it ok and nothing breaks :)
[15:07] <elfy> you might end up with a bunch of duplicate menu entries/apps that do the same
[15:07] <euryale> ok it's finish, do i need to remove or just logout??
[15:07] <elfy> remove?
[15:07] <euryale> i mean reboot lol haha.
[15:08] <elfy> possibly - I would in that case
[15:08] <euryale> ok. brb
[15:09] <euryale> thanks :)
[15:15] <euryale> xubuntu246, hmmm successfully here in gnome.
[15:16] <xubuntu246> ?
[15:16] <euryale> gnome desktop i mean
[15:17] <elfy> personally I'd not call it a success - but glad you're sorted out :)
[15:17] <xubuntu246> I do not know how that's going to help me
[15:18] <euryale> but the thing is.. it looks ugly :p no offense to gnome users.
[15:18] <euryale> maybe switching to gnome classic..
[15:18] <euryale> brb again..
[15:19] <elfy> xubuntu246: more than you are in here looking for help
[15:19] <xubuntu246> euryale was talking to me so i got confuses
[15:20] <elfy> oh yea
[15:21] <elfy> xubuntu246: I've not been able to find anything about that card of yours, did it work in the live usb or whatever you installed from?
[15:21] <xubuntu246> it wasnt working on the usb and after the install it was not working
[15:22] <elfy> right
[15:33] <euryale> xubuntu246, oh my, it was horrible! that interface ughh.
[15:35] <xubuntu246> elfy which internet card would you recommend me if I'm going to buy a new one (this is still a bad card)
[15:36] <elfy> absolutely no Idea I'm afraid
[15:36] <xubuntu246> shit
[15:36] <xubuntu246> perhaps a quicker solution
[15:37] <xubuntu246> The card must be compatible
[15:40] <elfy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[15:42] <xubuntu246> elfy thanks this will do the job 4 me
[15:42] <xubuntu246> i just buy a new one
[15:42] <elfy> welcome
[15:48] <euryale> i have a problem, i already remove gnome desktop in xubuntu, but still it's taking over xfwm4. why is that? i rebooted the sytem but still nothing happened.
[15:48] <holstein> euryale: gnome doesnt ship with xubuntu.. did you install it?
[15:49] <euryale> yeah i wanted to try gnome and installed it in xubuntu.
[15:50] <holstein> euryale: how? how did you remove it? when you say "nothing is happening", what in fact *is* happening?
[15:50] <euryale> i removed it via software center and not in terminal. what i mean was unstalling gnome-desktop nothing happened its still there.
[15:51] <euryale> holstein, i'll be back, i will reboot the system.
[15:54] <euryale> holstein, im back :)
[15:55] <euryale> obviously gnome is still in xubuntu, i don't know y it wasn't remove.
[15:55] <holstein> euryale: what are you trying to remove? what exactly is happening?
[15:57] <Golynx> it almost sounds like the time i chmoded the root directory recursivly by accident and lost access to everything. Had to do a backup and reinstalled xubuntu to get the default  system settings back.
[15:59] <euryale> holstein, i did this line: sudo apt-get autoremove gnome-shell -y
[16:00] <euryale> it's currently removing gnome. i don't know why software center didn't remove it.
[16:31] <KnightSirThom> xorg crashed with SIGABRT    executable path /usr/bin/xorg   package  xserver-xorg-core 211.14.3-3 ubuntu2         what can I do to fix this reccurring problem?
[16:33] <brainwash> KnightSirThom: did you let apport send the report to launchpad?
[16:53] <chunhao> hey guys, new to linux here. my wallpaper is distorted after every boot, any idea?
[16:54] <brainwash> chunhao: login screen or actual session background?
[16:54] <chunhao> the wallpaper on dekstop
[16:55] <brainwash> does running "xfdesktop --reload" help?
[16:56] <xubuntu411> buonasera a tutti
[16:56] <brainwash> !it
[16:56] <chunhao> not sure for now, changing to another wallpaper will make it normal, but after a reboot it is distorted again
[16:56] <xubuntu411> qualcuno sa dirmi quali tipi di processori supporta xubuntu?
[16:57] <xubuntu411> spero qualcuno risponde :=)
[16:57] <Pici> !it
[16:57] <Pici> er, oops
[16:59] <brainwash> chunhao: that's strange, I suggest that you file a bug report on launchpad
[16:59] <brainwash> could be hardware/driver related
[16:59] <brainwash> simply run "ubuntu-bug xfdesktop4"
[17:00] <chunhao> i thought it is somewhat related to driver, but i checked the additional driver section insetting and there is no available driver
[17:06] <chunhao> report sent
[17:07] <chunhao> i have another problem, when select the default browser to chrome form chrome itself, it wont stick after something that require me to choose which browser to use pop up
[17:08] <brainwash> chunhao: did to verify that chrome is set as default in the settings manager? settings manager > preferred applications
[17:09] <brainwash> did you
[17:10] <chunhao> when i set chrome to be default browser from the preferred application, chrome says it is not the default on when i launch it, and when i set it as default on from chrome itself, the one i set in preferred application gets reset
[17:10] <brainwash> chrome's way to set the default browser might not work properly (for all cases)
[17:12] <brainwash> this link might be helpful http://askubuntu.com/questions/143221/how-to-set-up-google-chrome-as-default-browser-in-xubuntu
[17:15] <chunhao> thank you very much, now my last question for today, does the latest version of youtube-dl working for you, i cant get it to download a video
[17:17] <brainwash> chunhao: youtube-dl gets updated quite often, but the package in 13.10 might be outdated
[17:17] <brainwash> you could download the latest version from the official site
[17:18] <brainwash> it's just a python script after all
[17:18] <chunhao> i updated it to the latest version, hmm its ok, have to go now, i will try solve it tomorrow, happy to talk to you :)
[17:20] <brainwash_> chunhao: and regarding your xfdesktop4, you should add details about your hardware to the report
[17:20] <brainwash> see http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/download.html
[17:20] <brainwash_> especially graphics card and driver in use
[18:33] <ezrhino> Hello. Even after disabling update manager from startup, it still runs . How can i make it on demand only?
[18:37] <brainwash_> ezrhino: disable it via settings manager > software & updates > updates (tab)
[18:39] <ezrhino> ty i will try now
[18:39] <ezrhino> there is no software and updates, updates
[18:40] <brainwash_> "software sources" maybe?
[18:40] <ezrhino> no
[18:40] <ezrhino> sessions ans startup?
[18:40] <ezrhino> where i disabled it first time
[18:40] <Golynx> ezrhino: try sudo update-manager
[18:41] <ezrhino> okay it opened
[18:42] <ezrhino> then closes very quickly
[18:42] <brainwash_> should be "software-properties-gtk"
[18:42] <ezrhino> okay i have it opened
[18:43] <Golynx> oh xfce-desktop is different :/
[18:44] <ezrhino> im in software sources and  if i turn off auto check, it still launches but it wont check when it does. I dont want it to even launch
[18:44] <ezrhino> under "update" tab
[18:45] <brainwash_> that's odd
[18:46] <ezrhino> very
[18:46] <ezrhino> was never an issue before
[18:46] <brainwash_> are there pending updates?
[18:46] <brainwash_> and what exactly launches?
[18:47] <brainwash_> the confirm dialog which tells the user that everything is up-to-date? :)
[18:48] <ezrhino> the actualy update manager lauches at boot and checks for updates
[18:48] <ezrhino> actual*
[18:48] <ezrhino> sometimes it finds, sometimes it doenst
[18:48] <elfy> I'd try - setting the updates to not checking, disable in startup apps - and then clear saved sessions
[18:48] <Golynx> ezrhino: if you can check this file if all the numbers show "0" then updates should be off /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic
[18:49] <ezrhino> checking
[18:50] <elfy> if it's that annoying - remove it - it won't show up then
[18:50] <ezrhino> 1,1,0,1
[18:51] <Golynx> yes its still on
[18:51] <ezrhino> all i want is for update manager to only launch when i want to check
[18:52] <Golynx> mine is always 0,0,0,0
[18:52] <ezrhino> cant open file to write
[18:52] <Golynx> you can sudo nano /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic and change those values to "0"
[18:52] <ezrhino> k
[18:54] <ezrhino> how do i tell it to save?
[18:56] <brainwash_> ctrl + x
[18:56] <Delan82> Lubuntu and Xubuntu. Which system is more lightweight today and better for not new netbook?
[18:56] <ezrhino> seems like it created more in apt.conf.d
[18:57] <brainwash_> Delan82: lubuntu is more lightweight
[18:57] <Delan82> You sure?
[18:57] <elfy> yes
[18:57] <ezrhino> now i have 10periodi,10periodic.save and 10periodic.save.1
[18:57] <Delan82> Xubuntu will slow work here ? :(
[18:58] <Delan82> KDE Gnome Unity all very slow
[18:58] <brainwash_> you can boot the live cd and test it
[18:58] <Golynx> ezrhino: the one with the changes in is the right one
[18:58] <ezrhino> will it access it? or do i need to delte the olds?
[18:59] <ezrhino> which i cant seem to do
[18:59] <Golynx> make sure its named 10periodic
[18:59] <ezrhino> k
[18:59] <Golynx> sudo thunar
[18:59] <ezrhino> rename is grayed out
[19:00] <ezrhino> ty
[19:00] <knome> Golynx, gksudo for graphical applications
[19:01] <knome> ezrhino, be careful with a root-access thunar.
[19:01] <Delan82> i cant test
[19:01] <Delan82> i can only install
[19:01] <knome> Delan82, how much RAM do you have?
[19:01] <Delan82> 1 gb
[19:01] <ezrhino> ty, thunar worked. i will reboot and try
[19:01] <ezrhino> i was careful :)
[19:01] <knome> Delan82, xubuntu should be able to run with that, but if you want maximum speed, i would go for lubuntu.
[19:01] <ezrhino> thunar is handy tool to know, ty
[19:02] <Delan82> And Ubuntu + Fluxbox - trash?
[19:02] <knome> Delan82, with 1GB, you might or might not think xubuntu is "smooth" (and it's not all about the RAM either)
[19:04] <ezrhino> same problem. Update manager launches at startup but says i must manually check
[19:04] <ezrhino> I dont want it to even launch
[19:05] <Golynx> Does /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic  still have the values ?
[19:05] <ezrhino> no all 0
[19:05] <Golynx> hmm
[19:06] <Golynx> must be a bug somewhere
[19:06] <ezrhino> ugh, just reared its head i guess. Anyway to like fix this and not have to reinstall os?
[19:06] <knome> Delan82, no reason why that wouldn't work as well, but that probably involves much more configuration.
[19:06] <nanotube> Delan82: fwiw, i have a dell mini 9 with 1gb ram running xubuntu - no problems. but as others say, best way is to try both. :)
[19:08] <ezrhino> ill make an ubuntu forum post cause i cant stay now. ty to everyone that tried to help
[19:09] <Golynx> yw
[20:20] <Dan_D> Hi there, got a slight issue. On the 'start menu' (button at top left) there is a section called 'Other'. It contains launchers that lead to programs I have deleted. How do I get rid of them? They do not show up in the settings manager!
[20:21] <Dan_D> And speaking of which, how do I generally delete launchers, not from the menu, but from the system generally, so they do not appear in things like the Open With application list when opening new file types?
[20:53] <goly> hello guys! im still pretty new to linux and heard a lot of ubuntu/canonical bashing on the internet. some of it convern things that ubuntu does different than others, like mir instead of wayland, etc. how will this affect ubuntu-based distros, especially that closely realted like xubuntu?
[20:55] <Unit193> We'll see, but Xfce upstream hasn't shown interest in Mir (or for that matter, I don't think wayland right now, too busy with gtk3/reallife.)  Some of the "problems" aren't there because Xubuntu simply isn't using Unity.
[21:02] <goly> Unit193, ok, so this is not like ubuntu heads into it's own direction which forces other ubuntu-based distros to make same controversial decisions, because the "core" of ubuntu wont support the other options?
[21:04] <Unit193> Mir/xmir was looked at last cycle, it wasn't ready so we didn't use it.  Some core changes are a bit of a lead/follow change, but Xubuntu is a community distro so may choose things differently.
[21:17] <goly> Unit193, ok, so this is more less what i wanted to know as a newb. thanks :)
[21:51] <jarnos> I can't connect to google (talk) account by Pidgin anymore.
[22:23] <JamesA> anyone able to help with some install issues?
[22:24] <holstein> JamesA: just ask
[22:25] <JamesA> I'm unable to successfully boot 12.04 and/or 13.10 from a usb. I've done this plenty of times before with other distros
[22:26] <JamesA> It usually hangs on the splash screen if i select try without installing. and if i try to just install it crashes due to some sort of sound card error
[22:26] <holstein> JamesA: what is the constant? same USB stick? same hardware?
[22:26] <JamesA> same hardware (Clevo W230ST), same usb
[22:27] <holstein> JamesA: think of it a bit like a scientific experient.. since, i know both of those boot, you can assume that, best case, they *should* boot.. so, you can start with teh md5 sum
[22:27] <holstein> !md5
[22:27] <holstein> then, the usb stick.. which, you can try on another machine to see
[22:27] <holstein> so on.. til you figure out whats going on
[22:29] <JamesA> I just did a fresh install of windows 8.1, and I am attempting to dual boot. I have successfully done this before with the latest version of openSUSE
[22:29] <JamesA> not sure if that information helps at all
[22:29] <holstein> JamesA: not really.. i mean, i can assure you on my hardware, i have installed both of those.. both suse and ubuntu
[22:29] <holstein> JamesA: so, can the stick you made boot on other hardware?
[22:29] <holstein> JamesA: is the md5 sum good for the iso you downloaded?
[22:30] <JamesA> yes and yes
[22:30] <holstein> JamesA: so, whats the issue? a black screen? an error?
[22:31] <Unit193> If it's Win8, need 64bit because of UEFI.  You can edit the boot options removing  quiet splash  to see what's actually going on and where it hangs.
[22:31] <JamesA> If i select "try without installing" on 13.10 it just hangs on the splash screen. 12.04 boots with no gui
[22:32] <JamesA> 12.04 would be my preferred choice
[22:32] <holstein> JamesA: you are using 64bit?
[22:32] <JamesA> yes
[22:33] <holstein> !nomodeset | JamesA is where i would start
[22:35] <JamesA> I read about that option a while ago, but I couldn't get to a stage where I could actually try it
[22:35] <JamesA> I'll try again though
[22:36] <JamesA> there was no option to press F6
[22:36] <holstein> it think you will want to tap shift to show that menu
[22:36] <JamesA> ah ok
[23:42] <KnightSirThom> brainwash: yes I sent the report a few times
[23:50] <brainwash_> KnightSirThom: your problem is xorg related, maybe someone will be able to help you if you actually link the bugreport(s)
[23:51] <brainwash_> and also try asking in #xorg