[00:00] <valorie> anybody thinking about being a mentor or student in gsoc this year?
[00:45] <Quintasan> valorie: I want to apply as a student.
[00:46] <valorie> \o/
[00:46] <valorie> whatcha gonna do?
[00:47] <Quintasan> valorie: Virtually no idea, is there a KDE project list?
[00:47] <valorie> they are just starting to build up the list
[00:47] <Quintasan> Will be monitoring that then
[00:47] <valorie> but surely you can do something with "us" KDE & Kubuntu
[00:48] <valorie> what sort of projects excite you?
[00:50] <Quintasan> valorie: From my perspective if I contribute to KDE then Kubuntu benefits from it indirectly, if we have a "joint" project then it's even better
[00:50] <Quintasan> valorie: Hell if I know. For some time I wanted to work on Amarok since I find it good but it's sometimes highly annoying
[00:51] <valorie> neato
[00:51] <Quintasan> like I wanted to mass edit tags and Amarok does in in interface thread which makes the whole UI freeze until it's done
[00:52] <valorie> you might want to join or at least read the amarok-devel list archives then
[00:52] <Quintasan> Though at that point I realised we are probably in need of a good mp3 tag editor since I couldn't find one.
[00:52] <valorie> the amarok devels are picky about students after we had a few flakey ones
[00:52]  * valorie uses picard
[00:52] <Quintasan> Still that could use fixing. Doing stuff in interface thread doesnt seem like a good idea to me
[00:53] <Quintasan> valorie: Ain't that GTK?
[00:53] <valorie> so if you are interested, start fixing some bugs, hang out in the channel, etc.
[00:53] <valorie> not sure 
[00:53] <valorie> it works, so I use it
[00:53] <valorie> oops, dinner time....
[00:54] <Quintasan> valorie: Enjoy, it's sleep time for me though. 2 in the morning
[00:54] <valorie> sweet dreams, Quintasan
[02:50] <ahoneybun> mhall119, hey I hear that the meeting did not go well yesterday
[02:50] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, ping
[02:58] <mhall119> ahoneybun: which meeting?
[02:58] <ahoneybun> fl loco
[03:02] <mhall119> oh, it just didn't happen
[03:02] <mhall119> I was still at a sprint, itnet7 wasn't home, and Freenode was generally having a bad day
[03:03] <ahoneybun> yea I heard
[03:20] <mhall119> brb
[08:05] <apachelogger>  void Module::emitDiff()
[08:05] <apachelogger> Oo
[09:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: updating my workstatin to trusty, if I don't return anymore it's likely because something broke in the uefi boot department *scared*
[09:48] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/8h5An4i.png
[09:48] <apachelogger> you know
[09:48] <apachelogger> I think we should just use the kde wikis for all of our documentation :P
[09:48] <apachelogger> it's not like we have a lot of that anyway
[09:49] <apachelogger> I cannot log in with the moinmoin :@
[09:50] <Riddell> hmm, try loggin into wiki.ubuntu.com?
[09:50] <apachelogger> doing that right now
[09:50] <apachelogger> alas, slow ^^
[09:51] <apachelogger> doesn't work either apparently
[09:51] <apachelogger> oh now
[09:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: works -.-
[09:52] <Riddell> grr
[09:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you want send a grump to rt@ or shall I?
[09:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: first try to confirm please
[09:52] <apachelogger> may entirely be due to ongoing upgrade, though that'd be odd
[09:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: I get it too and I remember getting it last week
[09:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok, feel free to send that grumpy mail then
[09:56] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Policies
[09:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: should be linked to from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu ?
[09:57] <apachelogger> I guess
[09:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: and ninjas
[09:58] <apachelogger> since it's mostly for internal reference
[09:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: is there value in lots of separate pages? wouldn't all on one page be easier?
[09:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: define easier
[09:58] <Riddell> easier to read, easier to maintain
[09:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: perhaps to maintain, certainly not to read though IMO
[09:59] <apachelogger> large pages always end up being a major mess
[09:59] <apachelogger> I'll start from one page ifyou prefer
[09:59] <apachelogger> can still move it to subs if/when needed
[10:01] <Riddell> Darkwing_: did you get hold of this account? https://twitter.com/kubuntu
[10:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is 4.12.2 ready for kubuntu to announce?
[10:24] <Riddell> hmm guess not
[10:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: do we still use ~kubuntu-testers ~kubuntu-updates-testing?
[10:35] <soee> 4.12.2 is in ninjas ? for trusty 
[10:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: no I don't think so
[10:35] <Riddell> soee: yes
[10:36] <soee> ok will install it :)
[10:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: you might want to delete them then :P
[10:38] <soee> strange, have no updates :)
[10:39] <soee> ah sorry didne upnocmment ppa
[10:43] <yofel_> 4.12.2 works fine for me so far
[10:43] <yofel> I'm curious why that Hibernate button is back in my kickoff though
[10:44] <yofel> something really strange is going on with upower/whatever here
[10:49] <apachelogger> oho
[10:49] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/hCweNLV.png
[10:49]  * apachelogger shivers
[10:49] <apachelogger> yofel: shadeslayer patched something to bring it back I think
[10:52]  * apachelogger doesn't find the documentation on kubuntu-dev -.-
[10:52] <apachelogger> oh well
[10:52] <apachelogger> going for a reboot
[11:03] <apachelogger> meanwhile I forgot why I was upgrading to begin with
[11:03] <apachelogger> my oh my
[11:12] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:41] <apachelogger> :O
[11:41] <apachelogger> our patch policy is actually very elaborate
[11:42] <apachelogger> Patches adding more than 200 source lines of code, or more than 4 functions, or requiring public API changes must be done upstream, unless they are 100% necessary for Kubuntu, and would cause malfunction or bugs if not applied (language-pack integration would be such a case).
[11:43] <apachelogger> somehow I get the feeling that when I wrote the first draft that line ended after upstream ^^
[12:12] <mamarley> Riddell: You mentioned yesterday that I could become a tester for the Kubuntu Ninjas PPA?
[12:12] <Riddell> mamarley: ooh yes
[12:12] <Riddell> and ISOs
[12:12] <Riddell> and lots of things :)
[12:12] <mamarley> That sounds great!
[12:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: testing in ninjas is done by ninjas, any public testing ought to be conducated in either the staging PPA or the experimental PPA :P
[12:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: you and your policy hat :)
[12:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: script was taking ETOOLONG last night
[12:13] <shadeslayer> so I let it run and went to sleep
[12:13] <shadeslayer> signing and uploading now
[12:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: uploading to trusty -proposed?
[12:13] <shadeslayer> yep
[12:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: in fact the policy line I wrote on that is less precise, so you have leeway ;)
[12:14] <apachelogger> Requirements: Trusted enough to not break PPAs and produce good enough quality for ~kubuntu-dev to approve for an archive upload. 
[12:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: testing from ninjas just needs the details for archive apt access, no write possible
[12:15] <apachelogger> ah, that is true
[12:15] <Riddell> now, how do I edit ubottu things?
[12:15] <apachelogger> I keep forgetting ^^
[12:15] <apachelogger> query help?
[12:15] <Riddell> query doesn't seem to do anything
[12:16] <Riddell> ubottu: help
[12:16] <Riddell> hmm, it is working
[12:17]  * Riddell discovers http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[12:18] <Riddell> Tm_T: can you add mamarley to !testers factoid?
[12:19] <Riddell> mamarley: we also need help testing 12.04 LTS updates today
[12:20] <mamarley> I would love to help, but I am a bit short on spare boxes...
[12:20] <Riddell> virtualbox is your friend :)
[12:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw thoughts  on implementing debconf frontend for k-d-m ?
[12:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: 4.12.2 all uploaded
[12:21] <Riddell> awooga
[12:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you upload kde-workspace 
[12:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: from ninjas?
[12:21] <shadeslayer> or well, I can do that, nvm
[12:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ?
[12:23] <shadeslayer> hurray lazr.restfulclient.errors.ServerError: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
[12:23] <apachelogger> qapt does that somehow
[12:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I don't think so
[12:26] <shadeslayer> at the very least qapt-deb-installer and muon implement them in the ui
[12:26] <shadeslayer> and I did not find a call to Debconf classes inside the library itself
[12:32] <apachelogger> well yes
[12:32] <apachelogger> you implement them in the ui :P
[12:32] <apachelogger> kind of the point of a ui ^^
[12:46] <mamarley> I just installed 4.12.2 and 4.11.6 and everything seems to be working fine so far!
[12:58] <Riddell> awooga
[13:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: right, so does it make sense to implement it in k-d-m since a driver might have a EULA
[13:51] <apachelogger> suppose so
[13:55] <shadeslayer> have a clue on how to proceed? ( I've had a look at the muon code, but only vaguely understand it
[13:55]  * shadeslayer has no todo for today :S
[13:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ask apol i guess
[13:57] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:20] <soee> hmm, will have to install 4.12.2 again 
[14:21] <shadeslayer> soee: why?
[14:22] <soee> i had proposed repository activ and today before 4.12 i have installed some xserver related upgrades and it broke my system :/
[14:22] <soee> so im after fresh 14.04 installation, the good news is
[14:23] <soee> nvidia-prime now works perfect so i can forget about this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1274822
[14:23] <soee> btw i just love how all looks and works just as it was before fresh installation
[14:24] <soee> so when i boot fresh system even amarok started to play song i was listing to :D
[14:25] <soee> btw someone can send me ninjas ppa ?
[14:25] <shadeslayer> soee: 4.12.2 has been uploaded to archive
[14:26] <soee> ;o
[14:26] <shadeslayer> just wait for it to be built :)
[14:26] <soee> ok than :)
[14:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's the driver manager here? http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20140203
[14:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the mint one afaik
[14:38]  * Riddell blogs http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=136
[15:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plz upload libkomparediff2
[15:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: from bzr?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> yep
[15:08] <shadeslayer> just run kubuntu-archive-upload -p libkomparediff2 -other -arguments
[15:08]  * shadeslayer is waiting for apachelogger to turn up
[15:10] <Riddell> uploaded libkomparediff2
[15:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thx
[15:44] <yossarianuk> have kubuntu decided on using kde 4.13 in 14.04 ?
[15:44] <Riddell> no decision yet but I'm leaning towards 4.13 quite strongly now after discussing it at fosdem with people
[15:45] <yossarianuk> Riddell: yey !
[15:45] <yossarianuk> as a user I would prefer it...
[15:45] <yossarianuk> every version of KDE is just that little bit better than the last...
[15:46] <Riddell> :)
[15:46] <Riddell> with baloo instead of nepomuk it's probably quite a lot better
[15:47] <Riddell> !testers | 12.04.4 images up for testing!
[15:47] <Riddell> and there they are :)
[15:48]  * mamarley digs up his oldlaptop.
[15:55] <mamarley> Riddell: Do you mean these images: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/precise/daily-live/pending/ ?
[16:19] <Riddell> mamarley: see http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/precise/daily-live/20140204/
[16:19] <Riddell> mamarley: no better see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/311/builds
[16:20] <Riddell> your URL is fine too
[16:22] <mamarley> Riddell: Is it specifically the alternate image or is the desktop image OK to test too?
[16:26] <Riddell> mamarley: yes they all need testing
[16:26] <mamarley> OK, thanks!
[16:33] <yossarianuk> i'll be happy to test a UEFI install of 14.04 is that can help (when its closer to being released)
[16:33] <yossarianuk> 13.10 had issues... (the iso still does if you do not have a network connection during install)
[16:35] <BluesKaj> ubiquity in 14.04 found my wifi connection during the install, cool feature
[16:48] <mamarley> I got a failure on the 12.04.4 live image.  The Intel 4965 WiFi card doesn't work.  dmesg looks OK, but Network-Manager says that the interface is unavailable.
[16:50]  * mamarley == idiot, sorry.
[16:50] <mamarley> I had the RFKILL switch on.
[16:53] <Riddell> hah :)
[17:21] <mamarley> Riddell: Once I get it (12.04) installed, I have some severe problems with kwin compositing (the screen only updates when the mouse is clicked).  Would that be a bug in kwin or in nouveau/mesa/etc?
[17:22] <mamarley> Also, is there any special way to file bugs for these prerelease images?
[17:23] <Riddell> mamarley: report on launchpad as normal and report on the iso tracker
[17:23] <Riddell> I would be tempted to blame something below KDE but then I always do :)
[17:25] <shadeslayer> mamarley: preferably file one with ubuntu-bug
[17:27] <Riddell> hoorah my reviewboard list is down to 0!
[17:30] <mamarley> Let me see if I can get composite disabled so I can use the system...
[17:31] <lordievader> mamarley: alt + shift + f12
[17:33] <mamarley> Yep, thanks!
[17:33] <shadeslayer> agateau: ping
[17:34] <shadeslayer> agateau: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fgarg%2Fkcm-driver-manager.git&a=blob&h=15339f1521161747fb67f0f58eb804d0d5e3810f&hb=e09010fd276010c682fc20a56d61b68a6873bd44&f=src%2FModule.cpp%20%3E%3E%20quickgquickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch/garg/kcm-driver-manager.git&a=blob&h=15339f1521161747fb67f0f58eb804d0d5e3810f&hb=e09010fd276010c682fc20a56d61b68a6873bd44&f=src/Module.cpp << Line 142 doesn't actually trigger the dialog
[17:34] <agateau> shadeslayer: pong
[17:35] <mamarley> I don't know much about the FOSS graphics stack with Nouveau.  Should I file the bug in the Linux kernel or in Mesa or what?
[17:35] <shadeslayer> mamarley: I'd just file it against Nouveau and let the X people sort it out
[17:36] <shadeslayer> agateau: know what I'm doing wrong?
[17:36] <agateau> shadeslayer: mmm, looks like it should work to me. Just in case, have you tried moving the animatedHide() from line 134 to line 145
[17:37] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:37] <shadeslayer> lemme try
[17:37] <sgclark> I am trying to learn testing via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough but when I click launch in testdrive after sync, nothing happens. I have virtualbox installed and selected in preferences.
[17:38] <shadeslayer> agateau: interesting, that works
[17:38] <mamarley> Whoa, that's screwy.  It apparently automatically installed (a very old version of) the nvidia blob during installation.
[17:38] <agateau> shadeslayer: probably a bug when calling animatedHide() and animatedShow() in a row :/
[17:38] <shadeslayer> I'll try and write a test case tomorrow
[17:40] <shadeslayer> agateau: same issue on line 176
[17:41] <agateau> shadeslayer: same fix?
[17:42] <lordievader> sgclark: I'm not really sure, but isn't test-drive a program that zsyncs the iso and boots virtualbox with the iso? If so, you can also do it manually. That is how I do it.
[17:42] <shadeslayer> agateau: I don't see how the same fix can apply ;)
[17:42] <agateau> shadeslayer: looks like you need to fix KMessageWidget
[17:43] <shadeslayer> hurray
[17:43] <agateau> animatedShow should cancel any animatedHide, and vice-versa
[17:43] <sgclark> lordievader: yeah I believe that is its function, will do it manually then.
[17:43] <shadeslayer> agateau: I'll have a look tomorrow
[17:43] <agateau> k
[17:44]  * agateau has to go
[17:59] <soee_> ok so 4.12.2 are already in updates ? :)
[18:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[18:13] <shadeslayer> soee_: huh?
[18:13] <shadeslayer> soee_: I certainly hope not
[18:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: waiting for instructions on how to generate tar with pot
[18:25] <soee_> shadeslayer: hmm i can't remember now but few hours ago maub apachelogger said they are building
[18:25] <shadeslayer> soee_: 4.12.2 in staging for saucy and precise
[18:25] <soee_> im @trusty :)
[18:26] <shadeslayer> trusty is in the archive
[18:26] <soee_> ah now i see: <shadeslayer> soee: 4.12.2 has been uploaded to archive
[18:27] <soee_> shadeslayer: what does it means in archive ?
[18:27] <shadeslayer> http://pad.lv/u/kde4libs
[18:33] <sgclark> I thought we were shipping 14.04 with firefox
[18:37] <Riddell> sgclark: that's the plan yes
[18:38] <sgclark> Riddell: ok so saying it is easily installablle on the slideshow would be considered a bug?
[18:38] <sgclark> Riddell: I am testing daily, or learning anyway
[18:39] <Riddell> wasn't shadeslayer fixing that?
[18:39] <Riddell> he was playing with firefox icons recently
[18:39] <Riddell> but yes, it would
[18:39] <shadeslayer> I sent a MR
[18:39] <shadeslayer> waiting for approval
[18:39] <shadeslayer> see trello
[18:40] <shadeslayer> https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/+merge/204045
[18:40] <Riddell> oh probably something I should look at
[18:40] <shadeslayer> would be nice, yes :)
[18:40] <sgclark> ok, that looks to be it
[18:40] <Riddell> but meh, got a soar throat! want ice cream
[18:40]  * shadeslayer throws some strepsils at Riddell
[18:42] <Riddell> thanks, I finished the packet I had
[18:49] <soee> i have installed updates and do reboot, on login screen and now in system all fonts are like 8px oO
[18:53] <soee> hmm, i changed to 12px  in system settings, logout, login, and now fonts where like much bigger .. to big :/ again system settings and bring back 10px, logout, login and finally they are fine
[18:53] <soee> weard
[18:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plz upload http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kubuntu-driver-manager/kubuntu-driver-manager_14.04ubuntu1.orig.tar.xz
[18:57] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[18:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kubuntu-driver-manager/kubuntu-driver-manager_14.04ubuntu1.dsc
[19:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: poke poke?
[19:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: poke poke
[19:43]  * v yawns, waking from a 5 year nap
[19:44] <v> would someone provide the linky to the build environment stuff (setting it up etc...)
[19:47] <shadeslayer> v: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[19:48] <v> thanke shadeslayer 
[20:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: Accepted the new Muon for 13.10 SRU.
[20:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: thx
[20:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: can't upload, not at home
[20:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :(
[20:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: anyway, released K-D-M
[21:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: would be cool if you could review and upload later on and then Riddell can accepty
[23:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yay