[00:00] <valorie> anybody thinking about being a mentor or student in gsoc this year?
[00:45] <Quintasan> valorie: I want to apply as a student.
[00:46] <valorie> \o/
[00:46] <valorie> whatcha gonna do?
[00:47] <Quintasan> valorie: Virtually no idea, is there a KDE project list?
[00:47] <valorie> they are just starting to build up the list
[00:47] <Quintasan> Will be monitoring that then
[00:47] <valorie> but surely you can do something with "us" KDE & Kubuntu
[00:48] <valorie> what sort of projects excite you?
[00:50] <Quintasan> valorie: From my perspective if I contribute to KDE then Kubuntu benefits from it indirectly, if we have a "joint" project then it's even better
[00:50] <Quintasan> valorie: Hell if I know. For some time I wanted to work on Amarok since I find it good but it's sometimes highly annoying
[00:51] <valorie> neato
[00:51] <Quintasan> like I wanted to mass edit tags and Amarok does in in interface thread which makes the whole UI freeze until it's done
[00:52] <valorie> you might want to join or at least read the amarok-devel list archives then
[00:52] <Quintasan> Though at that point I realised we are probably in need of a good mp3 tag editor since I couldn't find one.
[00:52] <valorie> the amarok devels are picky about students after we had a few flakey ones
[00:52]  * valorie uses picard
[00:52] <Quintasan> Still that could use fixing. Doing stuff in interface thread doesnt seem like a good idea to me
[00:53] <Quintasan> valorie: Ain't that GTK?
[00:53] <valorie> so if you are interested, start fixing some bugs, hang out in the channel, etc.
[00:53] <valorie> not sure 
[00:53] <valorie> it works, so I use it
[00:53] <valorie> oops, dinner time....
[00:54] <Quintasan> valorie: Enjoy, it's sleep time for me though. 2 in the morning
[00:54] <valorie> sweet dreams, Quintasan
[02:50] <ahoneybun> mhall119, hey I hear that the meeting did not go well yesterday
[02:50] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, ping
[02:58] <mhall119> ahoneybun: which meeting?
[02:58] <ahoneybun> fl loco
[03:02] <mhall119> oh, it just didn't happen
[03:02] <mhall119> I was still at a sprint, itnet7 wasn't home, and Freenode was generally having a bad day
[03:03] <ahoneybun> yea I heard
[03:20] <mhall119> brb
[08:05] <apachelogger>  void Module::emitDiff()
[08:05] <apachelogger> Oo
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[09:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: updating my workstatin to trusty, if I don't return anymore it's likely because something broke in the uefi boot department *scared*
[09:48] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/8h5An4i.png
[09:48] <apachelogger> you know
[09:48] <apachelogger> I think we should just use the kde wikis for all of our documentation :P
[09:48] <apachelogger> it's not like we have a lot of that anyway
[09:49] <apachelogger> I cannot log in with the moinmoin :@
[09:50] <Riddell> hmm, try loggin into wiki.ubuntu.com?
[09:50] <apachelogger> doing that right now
[09:50] <apachelogger> alas, slow ^^
[09:51] <apachelogger> doesn't work either apparently
[09:51] <apachelogger> oh now
[09:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: works -.-
[09:52] <Riddell> grr
[09:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you want send a grump to rt@ or shall I?
[09:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: first try to confirm please
[09:52] <apachelogger> may entirely be due to ongoing upgrade, though that'd be odd
[09:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: I get it too and I remember getting it last week
[09:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok, feel free to send that grumpy mail then
[09:56] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Policies
[09:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: should be linked to from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu ?
[09:57] <apachelogger> I guess
[09:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: and ninjas
[09:58] <apachelogger> since it's mostly for internal reference
[09:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: is there value in lots of separate pages? wouldn't all on one page be easier?
[09:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: define easier
[09:58] <Riddell> easier to read, easier to maintain
[09:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: perhaps to maintain, certainly not to read though IMO
[09:59] <apachelogger> large pages always end up being a major mess
[09:59] <apachelogger> I'll start from one page ifyou prefer
[09:59] <apachelogger> can still move it to subs if/when needed
[10:01] <Riddell> Darkwing_: did you get hold of this account? https://twitter.com/kubuntu
[10:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is 4.12.2 ready for kubuntu to announce?
[10:24] <Riddell> hmm guess not
[10:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: do we still use ~kubuntu-testers ~kubuntu-updates-testing?
[10:35] <soee> 4.12.2 is in ninjas ? for trusty 
[10:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: no I don't think so
[10:35] <Riddell> soee: yes
[10:36] <soee> ok will install it :)
[10:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: you might want to delete them then :P
[10:38] <soee> strange, have no updates :)
[10:39] <soee> ah sorry didne upnocmment ppa
[10:43] <yofel_> 4.12.2 works fine for me so far
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[10:43] <yofel> I'm curious why that Hibernate button is back in my kickoff though
[10:44] <yofel> something really strange is going on with upower/whatever here
[10:49] <apachelogger> oho
[10:49] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/hCweNLV.png
[10:49]  * apachelogger shivers
[10:49] <apachelogger> yofel: shadeslayer patched something to bring it back I think
[10:52]  * apachelogger doesn't find the documentation on kubuntu-dev -.-
[10:52] <apachelogger> oh well
[10:52] <apachelogger> going for a reboot
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[11:03] <apachelogger> meanwhile I forgot why I was upgrading to begin with
[11:03] <apachelogger> my oh my
[11:12] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:41] <apachelogger> :O
[11:41] <apachelogger> our patch policy is actually very elaborate
[11:42] <apachelogger> Patches adding more than 200 source lines of code, or more than 4 functions, or requiring public API changes must be done upstream, unless they are 100% necessary for Kubuntu, and would cause malfunction or bugs if not applied (language-pack integration would be such a case).
[11:43] <apachelogger> somehow I get the feeling that when I wrote the first draft that line ended after upstream ^^
[12:12] <mamarley> Riddell: You mentioned yesterday that I could become a tester for the Kubuntu Ninjas PPA?
[12:12] <Riddell> mamarley: ooh yes
[12:12] <Riddell> and ISOs
[12:12] <Riddell> and lots of things :)
[12:12] <mamarley> That sounds great!
[12:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: testing in ninjas is done by ninjas, any public testing ought to be conducated in either the staging PPA or the experimental PPA :P
[12:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: you and your policy hat :)
[12:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: script was taking ETOOLONG last night
[12:13] <shadeslayer> so I let it run and went to sleep
[12:13] <shadeslayer> signing and uploading now
[12:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: uploading to trusty -proposed?
[12:13] <shadeslayer> yep
[12:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: in fact the policy line I wrote on that is less precise, so you have leeway ;)
[12:14] <apachelogger> Requirements: Trusted enough to not break PPAs and produce good enough quality for ~kubuntu-dev to approve for an archive upload. 
[12:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: testing from ninjas just needs the details for archive apt access, no write possible
[12:15] <apachelogger> ah, that is true
[12:15] <Riddell> now, how do I edit ubottu things?
[12:15] <apachelogger> I keep forgetting ^^
[12:15] <apachelogger> query help?
[12:15] <Riddell> query doesn't seem to do anything
[12:16] <Riddell> ubottu: help
[12:16] <ubottu> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[12:16] <Riddell> hmm, it is working
[12:17]  * Riddell discovers http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[12:18] <Riddell> Tm_T: can you add mamarley to !testers factoid?
[12:19] <Riddell> mamarley: we also need help testing 12.04 LTS updates today
[12:20] <mamarley> I would love to help, but I am a bit short on spare boxes...
[12:20] <Riddell> virtualbox is your friend :)
[12:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw thoughts  on implementing debconf frontend for k-d-m ?
[12:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: 4.12.2 all uploaded
[12:21] <Riddell> awooga
[12:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you upload kde-workspace 
[12:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: from ninjas?
[12:21] <shadeslayer> or well, I can do that, nvm
[12:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ?
[12:23] <shadeslayer> hurray lazr.restfulclient.errors.ServerError: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
[12:23] <apachelogger> qapt does that somehow
[12:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I don't think so
[12:26] <shadeslayer> at the very least qapt-deb-installer and muon implement them in the ui
[12:26] <shadeslayer> and I did not find a call to Debconf classes inside the library itself
[12:32] <apachelogger> well yes
[12:32] <apachelogger> you implement them in the ui :P
[12:32] <apachelogger> kind of the point of a ui ^^
[12:46] <mamarley> I just installed 4.12.2 and 4.11.6 and everything seems to be working fine so far!
[12:58] <Riddell> awooga
[13:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: right, so does it make sense to implement it in k-d-m since a driver might have a EULA
[13:51] <apachelogger> suppose so
[13:55] <shadeslayer> have a clue on how to proceed? ( I've had a look at the muon code, but only vaguely understand it
[13:55]  * shadeslayer has no todo for today :S
[13:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ask apol i guess
[13:57] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:20] <soee> hmm, will have to install 4.12.2 again 
[14:21] <shadeslayer> soee: why?
[14:22] <soee> i had proposed repository activ and today before 4.12 i have installed some xserver related upgrades and it broke my system :/
[14:22] <soee> so im after fresh 14.04 installation, the good news is
[14:23] <soee> nvidia-prime now works perfect so i can forget about this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1274822
[14:23] <ubottu> Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1274822 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1274822). The error has been logged
[14:23] <soee> btw i just love how all looks and works just as it was before fresh installation
[14:24] <soee> so when i boot fresh system even amarok started to play song i was listing to :D
[14:25] <soee> btw someone can send me ninjas ppa ?
[14:25] <shadeslayer> soee: 4.12.2 has been uploaded to archive
[14:26] <soee> ;o
[14:26] <shadeslayer> just wait for it to be built :)
[14:26] <soee> ok than :)
[14:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's the driver manager here? http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20140203
[14:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the mint one afaik
[14:38]  * Riddell blogs http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=136
[15:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plz upload libkomparediff2
[15:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: from bzr?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> yep
[15:08] <shadeslayer> just run kubuntu-archive-upload -p libkomparediff2 -other -arguments
[15:08]  * shadeslayer is waiting for apachelogger to turn up
[15:10] <Riddell> uploaded libkomparediff2
[15:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thx
[15:44] <yossarianuk> have kubuntu decided on using kde 4.13 in 14.04 ?
[15:44] <Riddell> no decision yet but I'm leaning towards 4.13 quite strongly now after discussing it at fosdem with people
[15:45] <yossarianuk> Riddell: yey !
[15:45] <yossarianuk> as a user I would prefer it...
[15:45] <yossarianuk> every version of KDE is just that little bit better than the last...
[15:46] <Riddell> :)
[15:46] <Riddell> with baloo instead of nepomuk it's probably quite a lot better
[15:47] <Riddell> !testers | 12.04.4 images up for testing!
[15:47] <ubottu> 12.04.4 images up for testing!: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley  for information
[15:47] <Riddell> and there they are :)
[15:48]  * mamarley digs up his oldlaptop.
[15:55] <mamarley> Riddell: Do you mean these images: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/precise/daily-live/pending/ ?
[16:19] <Riddell> mamarley: see http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/precise/daily-live/20140204/
[16:19] <Riddell> mamarley: no better see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/311/builds
[16:20] <Riddell> your URL is fine too
[16:22] <mamarley> Riddell: Is it specifically the alternate image or is the desktop image OK to test too?
[16:26] <Riddell> mamarley: yes they all need testing
[16:26] <mamarley> OK, thanks!
[16:33] <yossarianuk> i'll be happy to test a UEFI install of 14.04 is that can help (when its closer to being released)
[16:33] <yossarianuk> 13.10 had issues... (the iso still does if you do not have a network connection during install)
[16:35] <BluesKaj> ubiquity in 14.04 found my wifi connection during the install, cool feature
[16:48] <mamarley> I got a failure on the 12.04.4 live image.  The Intel 4965 WiFi card doesn't work.  dmesg looks OK, but Network-Manager says that the interface is unavailable.
[16:50]  * mamarley == idiot, sorry.
[16:50] <mamarley> I had the RFKILL switch on.
[16:53] <Riddell> hah :)
[17:21] <mamarley> Riddell: Once I get it (12.04) installed, I have some severe problems with kwin compositing (the screen only updates when the mouse is clicked).  Would that be a bug in kwin or in nouveau/mesa/etc?
[17:22] <mamarley> Also, is there any special way to file bugs for these prerelease images?
[17:23] <Riddell> mamarley: report on launchpad as normal and report on the iso tracker
[17:23] <Riddell> I would be tempted to blame something below KDE but then I always do :)
[17:25] <shadeslayer> mamarley: preferably file one with ubuntu-bug
[17:27] <Riddell> hoorah my reviewboard list is down to 0!
[17:30] <mamarley> Let me see if I can get composite disabled so I can use the system...
[17:31] <lordievader> mamarley: alt + shift + f12
[17:33] <mamarley> Yep, thanks!
[17:33] <shadeslayer> agateau: ping
[17:34] <shadeslayer> agateau: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fgarg%2Fkcm-driver-manager.git&a=blob&h=15339f1521161747fb67f0f58eb804d0d5e3810f&hb=e09010fd276010c682fc20a56d61b68a6873bd44&f=src%2FModule.cpp%20%3E%3E%20quickgquickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch/garg/kcm-driver-manager.git&a=blob&h=15339f1521161747fb67f0f58eb804d0d5e3810f&hb=e09010fd276010c682fc20a56d61b68a6873bd44&f=src/Module.cpp << Line 142 doesn't actually trigger the dialog
[17:34] <agateau> shadeslayer: pong
[17:35] <mamarley> I don't know much about the FOSS graphics stack with Nouveau.  Should I file the bug in the Linux kernel or in Mesa or what?
[17:35] <shadeslayer> mamarley: I'd just file it against Nouveau and let the X people sort it out
[17:36] <shadeslayer> agateau: know what I'm doing wrong?
[17:36] <agateau> shadeslayer: mmm, looks like it should work to me. Just in case, have you tried moving the animatedHide() from line 134 to line 145
[17:37] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:37] <shadeslayer> lemme try
[17:37] <sgclark> I am trying to learn testing via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough but when I click launch in testdrive after sync, nothing happens. I have virtualbox installed and selected in preferences.
[17:38] <shadeslayer> agateau: interesting, that works
[17:38] <mamarley> Whoa, that's screwy.  It apparently automatically installed (a very old version of) the nvidia blob during installation.
[17:38] <agateau> shadeslayer: probably a bug when calling animatedHide() and animatedShow() in a row :/
[17:38] <shadeslayer> I'll try and write a test case tomorrow
[17:40] <shadeslayer> agateau: same issue on line 176
[17:41] <agateau> shadeslayer: same fix?
[17:42] <lordievader> sgclark: I'm not really sure, but isn't test-drive a program that zsyncs the iso and boots virtualbox with the iso? If so, you can also do it manually. That is how I do it.
[17:42] <shadeslayer> agateau: I don't see how the same fix can apply ;)
[17:42] <agateau> shadeslayer: looks like you need to fix KMessageWidget
[17:43] <shadeslayer> hurray
[17:43] <agateau> animatedShow should cancel any animatedHide, and vice-versa
[17:43] <sgclark> lordievader: yeah I believe that is its function, will do it manually then.
[17:43] <shadeslayer> agateau: I'll have a look tomorrow
[17:43] <agateau> k
[17:44]  * agateau has to go
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[17:59] <soee_> ok so 4.12.2 are already in updates ? :)
[18:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[18:13] <shadeslayer> soee_: huh?
[18:13] <shadeslayer> soee_: I certainly hope not
[18:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: waiting for instructions on how to generate tar with pot
[18:25] <soee_> shadeslayer: hmm i can't remember now but few hours ago maub apachelogger said they are building
[18:25] <shadeslayer> soee_: 4.12.2 in staging for saucy and precise
[18:25] <soee_> im @trusty :)
[18:26] <shadeslayer> trusty is in the archive
[18:26] <soee_> ah now i see: <shadeslayer> soee: 4.12.2 has been uploaded to archive
[18:27] <soee_> shadeslayer: what does it means in archive ?
[18:27] <shadeslayer> http://pad.lv/u/kde4libs
[18:33] <sgclark> I thought we were shipping 14.04 with firefox
[18:37] <Riddell> sgclark: that's the plan yes
[18:38] <sgclark> Riddell: ok so saying it is easily installablle on the slideshow would be considered a bug?
[18:38] <sgclark> Riddell: I am testing daily, or learning anyway
[18:39] <Riddell> wasn't shadeslayer fixing that?
[18:39] <Riddell> he was playing with firefox icons recently
[18:39] <Riddell> but yes, it would
[18:39] <shadeslayer> I sent a MR
[18:39] <shadeslayer> waiting for approval
[18:39] <shadeslayer> see trello
[18:40] <shadeslayer> https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/+merge/204045
[18:40] <Riddell> oh probably something I should look at
[18:40] <shadeslayer> would be nice, yes :)
[18:40] <sgclark> ok, that looks to be it
[18:40] <Riddell> but meh, got a soar throat! want ice cream
[18:40]  * shadeslayer throws some strepsils at Riddell
[18:42] <Riddell> thanks, I finished the packet I had
[18:49] <soee> i have installed updates and do reboot, on login screen and now in system all fonts are like 8px oO
[18:53] <soee> hmm, i changed to 12px  in system settings, logout, login, and now fonts where like much bigger .. to big :/ again system settings and bring back 10px, logout, login and finally they are fine
[18:53] <soee> weard
[18:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plz upload http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kubuntu-driver-manager/kubuntu-driver-manager_14.04ubuntu1.orig.tar.xz
[18:57] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[18:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kubuntu-driver-manager/kubuntu-driver-manager_14.04ubuntu1.dsc
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[19:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: poke poke?
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[19:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: poke poke
[19:43]  * v yawns, waking from a 5 year nap
[19:44] <v> would someone provide the linky to the build environment stuff (setting it up etc...)
[19:47] <shadeslayer> v: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[19:48] <v> thanke shadeslayer 
[20:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: Accepted the new Muon for 13.10 SRU.
[20:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: thx
[20:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: can't upload, not at home
[20:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :(
[20:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: anyway, released K-D-M
[21:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: would be cool if you could review and upload later on and then Riddell can accepty
[23:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yay