[00:00] <shauno> anyone wanna write me a sicknote for tomorrow?
[00:02] <daftykins> sure
[00:03] <daftykins> sorry shauno can't come to work today, he had an explosive case computeritis
[00:03] <daftykins> +of
[00:03] <shauno> I just hate this whole 'performance appraisal' thing.  they're useless, time consuming, and always turn into arguments
[00:03] <daftykins> how often do you get them?
[00:04] <shauno> it's 5 a year, kinda.  one a quarter and one a year, under different structures
[00:24] <shauno> I'm just annoyed because every single time I get called out because I have pathetic metrics on all the noddy work
[00:26] <shauno> but it's like .. for my little slice of the pie, I take escalations from every which way *including* up.  I even take escalations from the 'escalation team', which is back-asswards.  lately I've found myself taking escalations from the platform team, who are meant to be writing this stuff in the first place
[00:27] <shauno> and I'm going to get called out, yet again, on not doing as much noddy work as the chap who has nothing else to do but read football websites
[00:27] <diddledan__> joy
[00:28] <diddledan__> I know the feeling though. any gentoo admin at my place (which is pretty much all the admin) ends up shoved onto me because I can actually work gentoo. plus they think I know drupal so I'm also a one-man drupal team
[00:30] <shauno> I'm planning on suggesting that I meet the rest of the team on the metrics, if the rest of the team meet me on troubleshooting.  starting with a lesson that troubleshooting doesn't start with "hey, shaun?"
[00:31] <diddledan__> random: how fast can an rs232 (serial) link go?
[00:31] <ali1234> fast
[00:32] <shauno> 115k-ish was around the fastest standard rate, before you start abusing them
[00:32] <diddledan__> just shy of a megabit then?
[00:33] <ali1234> they can go faster than that. it depends how short the cable is
[00:33] <diddledan__> 115k is bytes
[00:34] <diddledan__> I finally managed to work out how to use screen to connect to my router is all. it required specifying the baud rate at 115200
[00:34] <ali1234> why do you want to know?
[00:34] <ali1234> ah
[00:34] <shauno> I think your real question is how fast can your router go, then ;)
[00:35] <diddledan__> o_O
[00:35] <shauno> well I mean if 115200 is the highest its OS will let you choose, or the highest their uart will support, then how fast rs232 can go is by-the-by
[00:36] <ali1234> i have done whatever is 115200 * 8 between AVR chips, but that is with only a couple cm of copper, and it's not rs232, it's 3v3v
[00:36] <ali1234> and the AVR isn't fast enough to do that full duplex anyway
[00:38] <diddledan__> ali1234: that'ld be a gigabit?
[00:38] <diddledan__> 115200 itself is a megabit
[00:38] <ali1234> wut
[00:38] <diddledan__> my maths is terrible
[00:38] <diddledan__> 10 megabit
[00:40] <diddledan__> 115200*8 is 921600bytes/s
[00:40] <ali1234> not, it's bits per second
[00:40] <diddledan__> oooh
[00:40] <shauno> it should be baud?
[00:40] <ali1234> technically yes
[00:41] <diddledan__> yeah my maths was a binary order of magnitude out
[00:41] <diddledan__> or several
[00:41] <diddledan__> 8 binary orders of magnitude?
[00:41] <shauno> huh, I thought baud was words/sec too.  it's symbols/sec, and on serial lines a 'symbol' is a 'pulse'.  so bits.
[00:42] <ali1234> yeah. but serial has a stop bit which is wasted
[00:42] <ali1234> and it might have parity bits too
[00:42]  * diddledan__ sings "every bit is sacred. every bit is good. if a bit gets wasted, God gets quite irate"
[00:44] <diddledan__> ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fUspLVStPbk
[00:44] <shauno> yaknow, there's some references you can take for granted
[00:44] <diddledan__> never!
[00:45] <shauno> hm, I can't find any 'normal' examples going higher than 115200.  almost surprising how little that's moved - my amiga will push
[00:46] <ali1234> PC UARTs usually can't go above 115200
[00:46] <hamitron> I always found 115200 fast enough for gaming with a null modem ;)
[00:46] <ali1234> amiga can do any baud rate but the CPU isn't fast enough to go higher than 57600 with an 030
[00:47] <ali1234> games don't usually need to share a large amount of data
[00:49] <shauno> :(  I have an '030
[00:49] <ali1234> get pyadt :)
[00:49] <shauno> lol, yeah, you've shown me that one before
[00:50] <shauno> I still want to get around to getting slip going, but I have no idea why.  aweb is terrible, amirc is terrible ..
[00:51] <shauno> well, it's not that bad, it's just really, really needs tabs
[00:59] <shauno> I did find your "recovery partition" interesting though.  strange way to do it, but interesting
[00:59] <ali1234> why strange?
[01:00] <shauno> it just seems easier to empty all the floppies into one partition, rather than mounting them all and rebooting
[01:00] <ali1234> that doesn't do what the installer does though
[01:01] <ali1234> what i found most interesting is that the installer knows about RAD: and will unmount all the devices. normally they would survive a reboot
[01:01] <ali1234> so likely the developers actually used something similar to this
[01:01] <ali1234> also, you still need to use rad: to go from ADFs to a mounted image
[01:02] <ali1234> and also, i wanted something that would be provably unmodified
[01:02] <ali1234> too many viruses on amiga software on the internet
[01:06] <shauno> actually, it looks like it might work unmodified
[01:06] <ali1234> unmodified? yeah, you can just copy df0: to dh0: or whatever, but i don't like that method
[01:08] <shauno> I mean you don't have to edit the installer; if the contents of the 'extras' disk are in a dir named 'Extras3.1' it'll use it
[01:08] <ali1234> i didn't edit the installer
[01:08] <shauno> I mean just emptying them all into one part still
[01:09] <shauno> so it's like booting into a 10meg version of the install floppy
[01:09] <shauno> instead of booting into the recovery partition, running the script and rebooting into the install floppy
[01:10] <shauno> you boot into the recovery partition, and just run installer from there
[01:10] <ali1234> that's what it does
[01:10] <ali1234> oh wait, no, it does reboot twice
[01:10] <ali1234> you could run that script from a regular workbench install
[01:11] <ali1234> all it does is mount the ADFs onto ramdisks
[01:11] <ali1234> i suppose it could have all the files already unpacked, but then it would have to md5 each file individually
[01:12] <shauno> I was just looking at this in the installer; http://paste.ubuntu.com/6876304/
[01:12] <shauno> it seems they already have the logic for "if I have everything I need, don't ask for more disks"
[01:12] <ali1234> yep... but everything you need won't fit on one disk...
[01:12] <shauno> but yeah, I wouldn't trust it downloaded like that.  more on a howto
[01:13] <shauno> right, that's back to where I started; I found the idea of a recovery partition mounting the floppies to be odd, because if you're going to have a partition for them, it can be the install disk itself
[01:16] <shauno> I did find it interesting though, because I still don't have a floppy drive - and I'd never seen this RAD: before
[01:17] <shauno> I picked up the HxC floppy emulator, but the cable is still hanging out of the back of the drive that I can't find
[01:18] <shauno> I have an external that doesn't work, and I can't figure out how to open.  I've been getting closer and closer to taking it outside and doing a concrete disassembly just so I can salvage that cable
[01:18] <ali1234> you can use a PC floppy drive cable
[01:19] <ali1234> it's straight-thru
[01:19] <shauno> I don't have those either
[01:20] <shauno> the only PC I have atm is a 1U poweredge.  and sadly I've moved so many times that these things get shed over time
[01:21] <shauno> I should just ebay, but I'm determined the missing floppy drive is in my house somewhere
[01:23] <ali1234> none of my floppy drives still work, they just grind the disks and report errors
[01:27] <shauno> ditto, that's why I thought this emulator would be fun.  you just load up adf's onto an sd card, and it lets you flick through and mount them right on the floppy controller
[01:29] <shauno> this thing; http://hxc2001.free.fr/floppy_drive_emulator/
[01:32] <shauno> reminds me, I have a friend who has an old sony camera that uses floppies.  and she still uses it in anger - apparently it does better in low-light (concerts) than her real camera
[01:33] <shauno> not that it's relevant to anything, but it boggles my mind that such a thing exists
[01:33] <ali1234> many old synthesizers and sequencers use floppies to
[01:33] <ali1234> DD floppies now sell for like £5 each
[01:34] <shauno> really? oh good lord, ebay here I come
[01:35] <ali1234> new ones :)
[01:35] <shauno> nope, my memory's playing tricks on me.  I have a few boxes of unused floppies, but they're HD, not DD
[01:36] <ali1234> yep, same here
[01:36] <ali1234> HD ones work, but not really
[01:37] <shauno> heh, yeah, "except when they don't"
[01:38] <shauno> it's been a whole long time since I saw anyone selling 880k disks though
[01:41] <shauno> that said, my local EB sold big-box amiga games way later than anyone would have expected
[01:43] <ali1234> i can't even find second-hand gamecube games around here
[01:43] <ali1234> i guess ebay killed the second hand market
[01:43] <ali1234> and amazon killed the new market
[01:44] <shauno> I'm not so fond of ebay for this bit; accellerator cards seem to go for many hundreds more than I'd be comfortable with
[01:46] <shauno> I mean, the one I've got felt bad at 150-ish, and it's just an '030 with .. I can't remember if it's 4meg, or 8 but I can only use 4 without claashing with pcmcia
[01:48] <shauno> and I think another 150-ish for my scandoubler.  although that doesn't feel like such a ripoff
[01:49] <shauno> he's still making them, still releasing new revisions - both firmware and hardware.  and such things wind up quite pricey if you can't make volume
[01:50] <shauno> so I Get where his prices come from - the second-hand market doesn't
[01:52] <shauno> and it seems I'm finally losing the battery game, so I'll stop babbling.  'night
[04:39] <mapps> hey
[04:56] <MartijnVdS> http://satwcomic.com/creeping
[07:09] <MooDoo> Morning all
[07:20] <popey> evening
[07:21] <MooDoo> popey I say you relaxing with the rest of the guys yesterday, you take it easy mate ;) lol
[07:21] <MooDoo> s/saw
[07:21] <popey> ☻
[07:21]  * popey is in bed
[07:21] <MooDoo> looks like you're all having a great time :D
[07:22] <popey> yeah, busy busy
[07:52] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:53] <MooDoo> hello brobostigon how are you this fine day :D
[07:53] <jussi> I think I need to go to bed
[07:53] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo , half asleep still, busy day, and you?
[07:53] <jussi> not feeling great here at all
[07:55] <MooDoo> wassup jussi
[07:55] <jussi> MooDoo: just feeling crappy, sore throat, lots of muck.
[07:56] <MooDoo> yeah lots of that going around....moooo
[08:03] <MooDoo> I did actually mean boooooo :)
[08:03] <diplo> Morning all
[08:06] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[08:07] <diplo> How's the weather in the SE MooDoo ?
[08:07] <MooDoo> diplo looking at the weather on the news, not that good, here in the midlands it's wet but not that bad.  I saw on the news that in cork ireland, it's under 1ft water :(
[08:08] <MartijnVdS> good thing cork floats
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[08:08] <MooDoo> naughty MartijnVdS ;)
[08:13] <diplo> blookin 'eck
[08:13] <diplo> I thought you were in London area now MooDoo ?
[08:15] <MooDoo> diplo, no still in Nottingham
[08:17] <knightwise> 1havethePOWER!
[08:17] <knightwise> HEEE MAAAAAAN !
[08:17] <knightwise> There
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: thanks for your passwords
[08:17] <knightwise> thats better then "good morningù"
[08:17]  * knightwise changes them now
[08:18] <adrianpavone> Virus breaks when you have too much unsaved in the editor?
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> adrianpavone: insidious :)
[08:20] <mapps> ;]
[08:20] <mapps> whats up
[08:21] <knightwise> yooo
[08:21] <knightwise> grr.. putty won't recognise my function keys :(
[08:21] <mapps> =[
[08:22] <mapps> why do i smoke when im out
[08:22] <mapps> arghhh
[08:22] <mapps> i quit 3 years ago
[08:22] <mapps> ;/
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> mapps: because you lack willpower?
[08:22] <mapps> probably true
[08:22] <mapps> :(
[08:23] <mapps> 1 or 2 beers and i decide i feel like a cigarette
[08:23] <adrianpavone> MartijnVdS, Annoying is what I call it
[08:23] <mapps> even pay 8.50 gbp at the casino for a pack
[08:23] <adrianpavone> Borrowing stth's config file.
[08:23] <mapps> time and time again
[08:23] <mapps> ;/
[08:23] <adrianpavone> And ... his fruit is named "Amanda Seyfried" ... sicko
[08:24] <brobostigon> week three of workfare/mwa, wish me luck.
[08:24] <mapps> whats that?
[08:24] <MooDoo> brobostigon, wow has it been that long already?
[08:25] <brobostigon> workfare is out conservative governments slave labout scheme for the unemployed MooDoo
[08:25] <brobostigon> MooDoo: yes.
[08:25] <brobostigon> our*
[08:25] <brobostigon> labour*
[08:25] <brobostigon> workfare is out conservative governments slave labout scheme for the unemployed mapps
[08:25] <mapps> aha
[08:25] <mapps> but i thought
[08:25] <mapps> unemployed dont work?
[08:26] <MooDoo> yay finally got my first raspberry pi :D
[08:26] <mapps> what do you have to do brobostigon ?
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: any plans for it?
[08:26] <brobostigon> mapps: i have had to do shop work, which because of my osteoporosis is bone breaking.
[08:26] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS, no idea...first time I've ever seen one!
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: I've ordered a GPS kit for mine, so I can make it into an NTP server :)
[08:27] <mapps> argh damn shop work is dull
[08:27] <mapps> unlucky;/
[08:28] <mapps> should apply for a job at my place
[08:28] <mapps> we let people work from home:)
[08:28] <MooDoo> mapps where you work?
[08:28] <adrianpavone> #  "never pick up" exceptions
[08:28] <adrianpavone> AUTOPICKUP_EXCEPTION=">*>>>*"
[08:28] <adrianpavone> Any idea what that does?
[08:28] <adrianpavone> Never picks up anything with >>> in the name?
[08:28] <mapps> 365
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> adrianpavone: which context?
[08:28] <mapps> always hiring new staff
[08:29] <MooDoo> mapps, what you do and where you work?
[08:29] <MartijnVdS> mapps: 365? Microsoft's Office division?
[08:29] <mapps> i just said 365:P
[08:29] <mapps> no
[08:29] <brobostigon> mapps: i studied computer engineering, its of absolutly no use of my abilities,
[08:29] <mapps> Ray Winstone..ring a bell now ;)
[08:29] <MooDoo> mapps,sorry no idea what that is lol
[08:29] <mapps> bet365
[08:29] <mapps> big online bookmaker
[08:29] <MooDoo> mapps, ah get you now
[08:29] <mapps> loads of departments and diff roles
[08:29] <mapps> literally always hiring
[08:30] <ali1234> high turnover?
[08:30] <mapps> of staff..?
[08:30] <mapps> in the call centre..sure
[08:30] <ali1234> yes
[08:30] <mapps> but in other departments..no
[08:30] <mapps> ]call centres more young kids/uneducated people
[08:30] <mapps> but there's development/trading
[08:30] <mapps> etc
[08:30] <mapps> infrastructure
[08:34] <mapps> i work in the office..but it's pretty easy/relaxed:P i watch tv/sport :)
[08:34] <MooDoo> mapps sounds interesting
[08:35] <mapps> yea it's ok
[08:35] <mapps> get annoyed at times
[08:35] <mapps> but i'd struggle with a normal office job
[08:36] <mapps> i can watch say barca v real madrid while doing whatever game im doing..and bet on betfair
[08:36] <mapps> normal ofice wouldnt allow that:)
[08:36] <MooDoo> yeah it's all dependant on the working environment.
[08:36] <mapps> yep
[08:36] <mapps> my friend works at same company
[08:36] <mapps> but diff dept
[08:37] <mapps> and he cant even get on betfair..its blocked for them
[08:37] <mapps> :{
[09:07] <Guest38143> Good morning all; happy Digital Learning Day! :-D
[09:11] <bashrc> Happy digital learning day
[09:16] <adrianpavone> Bots?
[09:17] <mapps> hm
[09:17] <mapps> am i the only person not on linked in
[09:17] <mapps> seems most my work are
[09:17] <mapps> na their real names/job titles
[09:17] <mapps> i just dont see why id bother putting all my info on there
[09:17] <mapps> same wih twiter-i have a twitter that i use to occasionally tweet a company..most my department seem to use it daily to talk to each other and facebool?
[09:17] <mapps> i closed facebook because i found it to be a chore
[09:17] <mapps> a time drain
[09:17] <JamesTait> mapps, the theory is that LinkedIn is like an online CV, with a trust network to verify the facts.
[09:18] <mapps> lol
[09:18] <mapps> so if i was their boss i'd sack them all
[09:18] <mapps> if theyre that ready to take a new job
[09:18] <mapps> i just dont get it..why do i want someone being able to google my name and find out where i work/live/what uni i went to?
[09:19] <JamesTait> In practice, I've found people endorsing skills on my profile they've never seen me use, so I still regard it with an eye of suspicion.
[09:19] <mapps> yea
[09:19] <mapps> i just dont really bother with these new things
[09:19] <mapps> not that new i know
[09:19] <adrianpavone> Yeah, it's a Ring of Trust thing without the trust establishment.
[09:19] <mapps> but facebook too..isnt that a total waste?
[09:19] <mapps> and yet people spend HOURS on it
[09:19] <bashrc> agree.  I have been endorsed on linkedin by people who I have never met and who know nothing about me
[09:19] <adrianpavone> Facebook is definitely a total waste.
[09:20] <mapps> i spoke to someone that said they spend 10hours a day on it
[09:20] <mapps> LOL
[09:20] <adrianpavone> Makes people FEEL like they're connecting.
[09:20] <bashrc> facebook is the worst
[09:20] <mapps> i couldnt care less what you're eating tonight adrianpavone  nor could you care what i am :P
[09:20] <mapps> bragBOOK
[09:20] <bashrc> my web site/email are censored on facebook
[09:20] <mapps> all about bragging
[09:20] <mapps> and showing off
[09:20] <adrianpavone> mapps, Well then that's good: I have never yet taken a photo of my food.
[09:20] <bashrc> stasibook, more like
[09:20] <mapps> 99% of the posts are absolute drivel!!!
[09:21] <mapps> irc is a totall different ball game imo
[09:21] <bashrc> Friendica is better
[09:21] <mapps> mainly because the retards generally arent here in such numbers=]
[09:21] <adrianpavone> IRC is more about sharing opinions and information (plus socialising)
[09:21] <mapps> yea
[09:21] <JamesTait> Like
[09:21] <JamesTait> :-P
[09:21] <mapps> facebook is just ANYTHING
[09:21] <mapps> like 'I WENT TO NANDOS IT WAS FUN'
[09:21] <JamesTait> Poke
[09:21] <mapps> 'IM GOING TO WORK LATER THAT SUCKS POOR ME'
[09:21] <mapps> lol
[09:21] <adrianpavone> Hmm ... let me link a photobucket picture of the food I just ate ... :P
[09:22] <ali1234> lol nandos, i went there once *like*
[09:22] <JamesTait> OK, I'll stop.
[09:22] <mapps> sorry adrianpavone  i was wrong
[09:22] <mapps> i meant instagram:P its instagram where people post food pics
[09:22] <mapps> lol
[09:22] <mapps> ive never used that either
[09:22] <adrianpavone> Yea
[09:22] <bashrc> there are actual conversations on stasibook sometimes, but rarely
[09:22] <ali1234> no, flikr is where the food pics are at
[09:22] <adrianpavone> Instagram that's autolinked to FB
[09:22] <ali1234> instagram is all selfies
[09:22] <JamesTait> With filters applied to make the photos look old and grainy.
[09:22] <mapps> oh is instagram facebook?
[09:22] <adrianpavone> Agreed with the selfies comment
[09:22] <ali1234> it is now, yes
[09:22] <mapps> aha
[09:23] <mapps> i didnt know
[09:23] <mapps> it;'s just very sad
[09:23] <ali1234> they paid like 1 billion dollars, or something
[09:23] <mapps> I remember when i was at Glastonbury 2011 ...4pm i saw Gold Panda outside and there's people at the front of the area and i 100% promise
[09:23] <mapps> i can see a girl on facebook
[09:23] <mapps> like LOL
[09:24] <mapps> why are you here? so you can tell your friends how SICK glasto is and its amazing youre having the best time>
[09:24] <adrianpavone> Well she had to post about it
[09:24] <mapps> yea
[09:24] <mapps> deff
[09:24] <ali1234> who cares?
[09:24] <mapps> i just find it a bit strange
[09:24] <mapps> ali1234,  not me
[09:24] <ali1234> i mean it's better than sitting in a dark room on irc
[09:24] <mapps> but i mean its strange people care so much
[09:24] <bashrc> ignore the stasibook nonsense and move on to real networks
[09:24] <mapps> hmm
[09:25] <mapps> is it?
[09:25] <ali1234> yes.
[09:25] <mapps> nonsense convos on facebook with morons?
[09:25] <ali1234> s/facebook/all of the internet/
[09:25] <adrianpavone> ali1234, I'll have you know my light is on!
[09:25] <mapps> i guess
[09:25] <mapps> same happened at warehouse project..infact my friend even tweeted that he was here and how good it was
[09:26] <mapps> i just dont see the need
[09:26] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:26]  * mapps is a lone survivor/loner;p
[09:26] <mapps> morning bigcalm
[09:26] <bashrc> hi bigcalm
[09:27] <ali1234> mapps: for all you know she could have lost her friend in the crowd, and was trying to contact them on facebook chat
[09:27] <adrianpavone> Yeah, because making a phone call is so 1990's
[09:28] <mapps> lol
[09:28] <MooDoo> yay facebook lol
[09:28] <ali1234> right because it's really easy to make a phone call at a rock concert
[09:28] <mapps> and what about glasto with no phones;p
[09:28] <ali1234> not like there is a large amount of background noise or anything
[09:28] <mapps> i hd no phone after the first day
[09:28] <mapps> lost my old samsung
[09:29] <jussi> hrm, music recommendations anyone?  something acoustic ish, not too rock, not too bubblegum pop, but still easy listening.
[09:29] <ali1234> jussi: open rhythmbox, go to radio, listen to radio paradise
[09:29] <ali1234> wait you use KDE?
[09:29] <jussi> ali1234: hrm... lets see if amarok has that...
[09:29] <jussi> yeah ;)
[09:29] <ali1234> http://www.radioparadise.com/rp_2.php?
[09:29] <mapps> jussi,
[09:30] <mapps> florence and the machine - cosmic love
[09:30] <mapps> :D
[09:30] <mapps> or even better
[09:30] <mapps> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYSy8xferSk
[09:30] <mapps> my favourite song ;]
[09:32] <ali1234> yeah you'll like radio paradise. they play this type of stuff all day
[09:32] <jussi> ali1234: available in Amarok :)
[09:33] <ali1234> you might wanna check the other streams on the website. the default one in rhythmbox doesn't have embedded track IDs
[09:33] <jussi> amarok seems to have them
[09:33] <jussi> amarok even opens the wikipage on the artist for me
[09:34] <mapps> see my url jussi
[09:38] <jussi> mapps: yeah, Ill get to it in a min :)
[09:39] <mapps> ;]
[09:42] <MooDoo> Is it time to go home yet?
[09:42] <foobarry> stupid strike
[09:42] <mapps> underground?
[09:43] <foobarry> yeah, although affects traffic and buses
[09:43] <foobarry> because my bus was a couple of minutes away for 25 mins
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: it was hiding, just around the corner
[09:45] <foobarry> blatantly. there was one 7 mins away for the whole time too
[09:46] <foobarry> sooo cold
[09:47] <BigRedS> it was a bit weird - loads of traffic all the way in and then also lots of parking once in...
[09:47] <BigRedS> it's like everyone decided to drive in, but only as far as the edge of the congestion charge zone
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: "But I can't go in there, it costs MONEYS"
[09:48] <foobarry> what does "compacting folder" in thunderbird actually do?
[09:48] <foobarry> remove whitespace from local files, or do stuff on server?
[09:49] <ali1234> removes deleted messages from the database
[09:49] <ali1234> nothing to do with the server
[09:50] <jussi> mapps: nice song
[09:50] <jussi> I have something strange... my note 2 is missing a screw - and I havent removed it...
[09:50] <jussi> its the one next to the camera there... http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy31/marcowing/notes2b.jpg
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> jussi: NSA is watching you
[09:50] <jussi> MartijnVdS: lol
[09:51] <foobarry> ali1234: thanks strange because i see o365 errors from the server, folder failed to expunge
[09:51] <MooDoo> I'm not bothered about the NS, I schule 3 weeks of blog posts to go to them first before they are put on my website :D
[09:52] <mapps> hmm
[09:53] <mapps> i have no bank card atm and ii wanna go out tonight
[09:53] <mapps> arghh
[09:54] <mapps> the cassino charge 1.50 to pay on credit card
[09:54] <foobarry> is your life just one long trip to casino and strip joint?
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> mapps: don't gamble if you can't take the loss ;)
[09:54] <mapps> lol
[09:54] <mapps> almost foobarry
[09:54] <mapps> ;p
[09:55] <foobarry> i'm guessing ur single then
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> !u
[09:55] <foobarry> thanks sheldon
[09:55] <mapps> i got a letter this year btw from Grosvenor casinos - 'dear mr mark p thanks for your loyal custom in 2013 enclosed is a vocher to redeem at the cash desk'
[09:55] <mapps> figure i mustve been like 150+ in 2013
[09:55] <foobarry> :-|
[09:55] <foobarry> net profit/loss?
[09:56] <mapps> i dont gamble there
[09:56] <mapps> just drink
[09:56] <mapps> i go to Genting first serves till 5..now 5.30
[09:56] <mapps> then go down to grosvenor serves till 6..allowed till 6.30
[09:56] <mapps> we have 2 casinos wihin 2mins distance
[09:56] <foobarry> surely pubs are nicer ambience than a casino?
[09:56] <mapps> nope
[09:56] <mapps> i got a free beer from vito (manager) on sunday
[09:57] <mapps> and 2 few weeks back before i went to holland
[09:57] <mapps> casino is WAY safer
[09:57] <foobarry> i've only been to a casino once. not particularly bonhomie type of place
[09:57] <mapps> genting has like 6 door staff EVERY day
[09:57] <adrianpavone> "Cthulu eats a bugbear corpse." heheh
[09:57] <mapps> so its way safer than a normal bar/club
[09:57] <foobarry> but no women or jovial times
[09:57] <BigRedS> six door staff would make it seem *less* safe to me
[09:57] <mapps> na
[09:57] <mapps> genting has a lot of women
[09:57] <mapps> genting gets busy
[09:57] <mapps> grosvenor is ALWAYS empty
[09:58] <mapps> is like our private bar
[09:58] <foobarry> each to their own i guess
[09:58] <mapps> girl on reception said they keep the bar open incase me and my mate come lol porbably lies
[09:58] <mapps> biut ya i go probably 4-5x a week to both
[09:58] <foobarry> and you never gamble, just for drinkies?
[09:59] <mapps> sometimes throw a few quid down..but i expect to lose..usually just drink
[09:59] <mapps> ive been going so long i know the bar staff at both
[09:59] <mapps> and the managers
[09:59] <mapps> when i walk in to genting 9/10x im already signed in as the women on reception knows me
[10:00] <mapps> casinos arent that bad if you arent a mug
[10:00] <mapps> cigs are expensive mind..9.50
[10:00] <mapps> ;/
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> don't smoke then ;)
[10:00] <foobarry> i didn't like the atmos much
[10:01] <mapps> yea sometims its no great
[10:01] <foobarry> seemed to revolve around money strangely.
[10:01] <mapps> fri/sat is busy and very chav
[10:01] <mapps> but
[10:01] <mapps> mon-thurs its fine
[10:01] <mapps> basically got a private bar
[10:01] <foobarry> so does my house :)
[10:01] <mapps> heh
[10:01] <foobarry> although i haven't used it for ages
[10:01] <foobarry> got an unopneed bottle of port in the cupboard
[10:02] <mapps> i had a loud arhuement with some slag in genting few months back..then went and spoke to thew manager to make sure i wouldnt get banned
[10:02] <mapps> lol
[10:02] <bashrc> I generally stay off the booze.  It interferes with coding
[10:02] <mapps> she was telling me my degrees worthless
[10:02] <mapps> bashrc,  - good idea..but wont happen for me
[10:02] <mapps> :)
[10:02] <foobarry> bashrc: i discovered that probelm at uni.
[10:02] <foobarry> couldn't go back to code after even 2 pints
[10:02] <mapps> im a 'heavy' drinker
[10:03] <foobarry> maybe she cares about you
[10:03] <foobarry> :)
[10:03] <bashrc> I liked coding more than boozing
[10:03] <mapps> probably like 25 pints a week 4-5x casino 5pints and then 2 nights of those we go to town and its a 12-15 + jonb
[10:03] <mapps> yea well it was some girl from work
[10:04] <mapps> telling me my degree is useless
[10:04] <foobarry> dare i ask what degree you have?
[10:04] <mapps> so i was screaming at her my mate said
[10:04] <bashrc> what's your degree in?
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> mapps: most degrees *are* useless though ;)
[10:04] <mapps> i have a bsc from portsmouth..in the ece dept  enegineering computing
[10:04] <mapps> so not a ba in arts
[10:04] <mapps> and i work in trading..she works on the phones?
[10:04] <bashrc> indeed most are useless if you just regard them as a ticket to a job
[10:05] <adrianpavone> ^
[10:05] <mapps> just really riled me
[10:05] <mapps> agree
[10:05] <foobarry> i decided against oxbridge, wonder how my life would have been different
[10:05] <mapps> u didnt go uni?
[10:06] <foobarry> i went to machester, it had a better course
[10:06] <foobarry> IMO
[10:06] <foobarry> and i didn't like the sorts from my school who were aiming for oxbridge
[10:07] <bashrc> posh kids
[10:07] <foobarry> not so much posh, but very much snobby and competitive
[10:07] <ali1234> yeah manchester :)
[10:08] <foobarry> destined for career as a politician or something like that
[10:08] <foobarry> meanwhile i'm wearing a hoodie and wondering why my tomcat app is failing to run
[10:08] <ali1234> when were you there foobarry?
[10:09] <foobarry> 93-96
[10:09] <mapps> what did you do at manc
[10:09] <foobarry> maths & comp sci
[10:09] <ali1234> heh, you';re older than me
[10:09] <foobarry> got a 1st \o/
[10:09] <ali1234> 98-01
[10:09] <foobarry> manc?
[10:09] <ali1234> got a third :S
[10:09] <ali1234> yeah
[10:09] <foobarry> good old days
[10:09] <MooDoo> I'm the oldest in here lol actually i'm bnot
[10:09] <foobarry> most of my mates who got thirds ended up as excellent coders
[10:10] <bashrc> it sounds like all y'all's degrees weren't worthless
[10:10] <foobarry> they were talented coders to begin, but i just concentrated on doing what i was asked
[10:10] <foobarry> they spend their time developing uglymug or other muds
[10:10] <foobarry> ali1234: comp sci?
[10:10] <ali1234> yeah
[10:10] <bashrc> never played muds much
[10:10] <foobarry> its all pulled down now :(
[10:11] <foobarry> shiny new building, so google maps shows me
[10:11] <bashrc> I should install a mud on my server
[10:11] <foobarry> http://www.uglymug.org.uk/
[10:11] <MooDoo> bashrc, I love muds :D
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> Wow, muds. Do they still exist?
[10:12] <bashrc> I think htey do
[10:12] <foobarry> they are called WoW now
[10:12] <bashrc> :-o
[10:15] <foobarry> i don't actually know what i'm doing with this grails/tomcat stuff
[10:15] <MooDoo> circlemud was my fave
[10:16] <ali1234> foobarry: they tore the maths building down but comp sci is still there
[10:16] <foobarry> oh
[10:17] <foobarry> i thought it was all new
[10:17] <foobarry> jabez clegg is shut now :(
[10:17] <foobarry> boddingtons £1 pint happy hour 11am-12
[10:17] <ali1234> they probably didn't want to touch the noc
[10:17] <ali1234> looks like pretty much every other building is different
[10:17] <ali1234> jabez was always rough :/
[10:18] <foobarry> :-o
[10:18] <foobarry> used to drink in the phoenix every day
[10:18] <foobarry> with all the neckbeards
[10:18] <ali1234> i rented a house off the landlord of the phoenix
[10:18] <foobarry> and play pool/fruit machines
[10:18] <adrianpavone> !conduct
[10:19] <ali1234> scottish chap. don't remember his name. steve or something
[10:20] <foobarry> i used to help on teh open days for students. was nice when future students would tell me they remembered me from teh open day and i helped in some way
[10:20] <foobarry> we used to show them the student side of things, and take them to phoenix at end of day
[10:20] <foobarry> i also remember participating in the market research when they were planning to open that bar below the phoenix
[10:21] <ali1234> they did open a nightclub downstairs
[10:21] <ali1234> don't think it was ever very popular
[10:23] <foobarry> scruffy nellys?
[10:23] <foobarry> dirty nelly?
[10:23] <foobarry> something like that
[10:23] <ali1234> "scream"
[10:23] <foobarry> they used to film cracker in the precinct next to comp sci
[10:24] <foobarry> would come home to see robbie coltrane sitting on my lunch bench
[10:31] <MooDoo> any reason why conduct was invoked?
[10:32] <foobarry> i said neckbeard?
[10:32] <MooDoo> !conduct
[10:32] <MooDoo> ;)
[10:32] <foobarry> although they did have beards on their neck
[10:32] <ali1234> neckbeards were fairly uncommon when i was there
[10:33] <jussi> hrm, alternative android keyboards anyone? (preferably open source, and trustable)
[10:33] <ali1234> lots of long dyed black hair and trenchcoats tho
[10:33] <foobarry> big time
[10:33] <foobarry> matrix city
[10:33] <ali1234> yeah that would be it
[10:33] <foobarry> they still look like that in the CS dept here
[10:34] <ali1234> i am not hugely surprised
[10:34] <ali1234> this was pre-hipster times tho
[10:34] <ali1234> it was hipsters that brought back the neckbeard
[10:34] <ali1234> imo anyway
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> there was still a group of people who didn't like anything "mainstream" though
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> there always is
[10:35] <foobarry> hipsters are more grommed beard IMO
[10:35] <ali1234> yeah but without the irony
[10:36] <foobarry> for non mainstreamers, hipster certainly have a whole mainstream lack of individuality going on
[10:36] <ali1234> like hipsters will listen to mainstream music from 10 years ago that nobody like anymore, because it is ironic
[10:36] <foobarry> most blacktshirt wearers at conferences seem to be recovering goths/CSers
[10:36] <ali1234> where as the cyber-goths actually have their own subculture that has nothing to do with the mainstream at all
[10:36] <foobarry> i saw a CS student with a utility belt that carried a netbook
[10:37] <foobarry> i marvelled at it
[10:37] <foobarry> very utility. much fashion
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: http://www.utilikilts.com/
[10:38] <foobarry> i never conformed to the goth/metal stereotype
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> I tended to conform to the "Please ignore me I'm not here" stereotype
[10:40] <foobarry> not sure if i indentified more with the mathmos or the cs geeks
[10:40] <foobarry> or neither
[10:40] <foobarry> my non course mates were all very blokey, heavy drinkers, and rather course
[10:41] <ali1234> i ended up living with a load of musicians
[10:41] <foobarry> = pot heads?
[10:41] <ali1234> "no comment"
[10:41] <foobarry> i lost a lot of good social time to a lot of friends discovering pot in the 3rd year
[10:42] <foobarry> they stopped going out or being any kind of reasonable social company
[10:42] <foobarry> what some city kids tend to do  when they are 16
[10:57] <awilkins> Yeah, half my flatmates in my 3rd year were potheads
[10:58] <awilkins> I couldn't do it, not compatible with being a medical student and having to look smart and act sharp in front of consultant surgeons all day
[11:00] <foobarry> Feb 5, 2014 10:58:24 AM org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext startI
[11:00] <foobarry> nternal
[11:00] <foobarry> SEVERE: Error listenerStart
[11:00] <foobarry> where do i go about debugging tomcat when an app fails to start? looking in logs atm , but not helpful
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> strace?
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> the app
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> the app's author?
[11:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:03] <MartijnVdS> \o davmor2
[11:03] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: trying the dev and he only releases info on a piecemeal basis
[11:03] <foobarry> its like driving in the dark
[11:03] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: then strace is your best bet
[11:03] <xalyy> hello
[11:03] <foobarry> strace on tomcat?
[11:03] <xalyy> its me again :D
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: why nto
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: can you start it in the foreground ("don't daemonize")? Maybe that has better debug output?
[11:04] <foobarry>  Error creating
[11:04] <foobarry>  bean with name 'transactionManagerPostProcessor': Initialization of be
[11:04] <foobarry> an failed; nested exception is org.springframework.beans.factory.BeanCr
[11:04] <foobarry> eationException: Error creating bean with name 'transactionManager': Ca
[11:04] <foobarry> nnot resolve reference to bean 'sessionFactory' while setting bean prop
[11:04] <foobarry> erty 'sessionFactory'; nested exception is org.springframework.beans.fa
[11:04] <foobarry> ctory.BeanCreationException: Error creating bean with name 'sessionFact
[11:04] <foobarry> ory': Invocation of init method failed; nested exception is org.hiberna
[11:04] <foobarry> te.cache.NoCachingEnabledException: Second-level cache is not enabled f
[11:04] <foobarry> or usage
[11:04] <foobarry> this kind of guff is problaby meaningful to someone
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: .. pastebin?
[11:04] <foobarry> yeah sorry, though it was shorter :P
[11:05] <xalyy> Can someone tell me some centos irc because from #centos I am banned for nothing... I doesn't even logged in once
[11:05] <xalyy> Thanks
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: I think it might mean there's something in your configuration not right
[11:06] <foobarry> do you read the stacktrace from bottom or top?
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: can you put it on pastebin? The random linebreaks on IRC make it hard :)
[11:06] <xalyy> Someone? :S
[11:06] <ali1234> xalyy: register with nickserv
[11:07] <xalyy> What you mean?
[11:07] <xalyy> I log in to #centos and register?
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: generally, you read it top-to-bottom
[11:08] <ali1234> no you have to register first
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: no, you register with nickserv
[11:08] <xalyy> Ugh where how? :D
[11:08] <ali1234>  /msg nickserv help register
[11:08] <ali1234> !register
[11:08] <xalyy> !register
[11:08] <foobarry> http://pastebin.com/3x5tfU93 MartijnVdS
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: this seems to come up a lot: org.hibernate.cache.NoCachingEnabledException: Second-level cache is not enabled for usage
[11:09] <foobarry> yes, i was googling that
[11:09] <foobarry> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11206125/ehcache-integration-with-hibernate-spring-exception-second-level-cache-is-not
[11:11] <xalyy> ali1234: http://gyazo.com/e1f36d7b52a916c49e8d033c592359a1.png
[11:11] <xalyy> Can't
[11:11] <foobarry> xalyy: try ask in #freenode
[11:12] <foobarry> they are super helpful
[11:12] <xalyy> Ask why i am banned?
[11:12] <davmor2> xalyy: yes
[11:12] <xalyy> Ok
[11:13] <xalyy> Wow
[11:13] <xalyy> There is a thousand people and nowone answering
[11:13] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/f531ef633bd9c6d169036feb52d1e579.png
[11:13] <xalyy> Great...
[11:16] <foobarry> are you banned?
[11:16] <foobarry> connect with a different nick?
[11:17] <xalyy> Tried
[11:18] <xalyy> I even tried to log in with other ip
[11:18] <xalyy> not work
[11:18] <foobarry> works for me
[11:18] <foobarry> maybe you're holding it wrong
[11:19] <foobarry> what does the /win 1
[11:19] <foobarry> chanserv window say when you connect
[11:21] <xalyy> a
[11:21] <xalyy>  /win 1
[11:22] <foobarry> also, ask the ops directly - evolution, hughesjr, etc
[11:28] <DJones> xalyy: Its because you're using the web gateway rather than a real IRC client, the centos channel looks to have that banned for everybody
[11:28] <xalyy> Yeah
[11:28] <xalyy> I just downloaded mirc
[11:28] <xalyy> Now what I have to do?
[11:43] <foobarry> steering clear of facebook until facebook movies have gone away
[11:43] <foobarry> so lame
[11:43] <dwatkins> well quite
[11:43]  * dwatkins checks facebook
[11:44] <MooDoo> lame?  I thought they were great
[11:46] <foobarry> turns on his sarcasm detector
[11:46] <foobarry> nice to look at for yourself, not to share
[11:48] <MooDoo> I thought it was nice to look at other peoples
[11:49] <foobarry> baby picture slideshow?
[11:50] <davmor2> MooDoo: yeah but you are a sad sad man
[11:50] <MooDoo> foobarry, yes and davmor2, correct :D
[11:51] <davmor2> MooDoo: I've not actually seen any yet, I saw your post but I've been to busy to look at it :D
[11:52] <MooDoo> davmor2, no need to look, you're not in it :D
[11:52] <davmor2> MooDoo: you being a semi-professional Photographer though might make it better to look at than most that are done on phones
[11:54] <MooDoo> davmor2, :p
[11:56] <knightwise> morning everon e
[11:56] <davmor2> MooDoo: that was a compliment dude.  You and tonytigers I can see being awesome to view.   Others maybe not so much :)
[11:57] <MooDoo> I'm not really doing much photography at the moment....
[11:57] <bigcalm> Right, who here suggested the use of a Netgear ProSafe router?
[11:58] <bigcalm> Routing is some what not working for me
[11:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: I didn't
[11:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: however you have to admit it is professionally keeping you safe
[11:59] <bigcalm> davmor2: yes, it's keeping me safe from *.office365.com
[12:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: well the internet in general I hope :D
[12:00] <cocoa117__> for home user to use cloud storage for backups, does it matter to do lots of full backup? each time full backup will take up lots of space and uploading time. as long as the full backup is sha1 verfied, so file is not corrupted i see no reason to keep it that, right?
[12:00] <bigcalm> What's the windows command that'll let me do a tracepath/route?
[12:01] <MooDoo> cocoa117__, I just do incremental, just upload the changed files.
[12:01] <MooDoo> changed/new
[12:01] <davmor2> bigcalm: google it good for letting you know things like that :P
[12:01] <MooDoo> bigcalm, traceroute
[12:01] <davmor2> bigcalm: you can try pinging and tracroute
[12:01] <cocoa117__> MooDoo, you mean one full backup and then just keep doing incremental?
[12:02] <MooDoo> bigcalm, i meant tracert
[12:02] <bigcalm> 'traceroute' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
[12:02] <bigcalm> Hence asking
[12:02] <bigcalm> Ah, ta
[12:02] <MooDoo> cocoa117__, that's what I do but it might not be right for everyone
[12:06] <davmor2> cocoa117__: a friend of mine does the following.  Day 1 of a month takes a full backup this is then replaced on the 1st of each month.  He then has an incremental daily backup. That way there is one image that is a safe daily and one that is a full monthly.  The idea being that the full monthly can replace all the settings installed apps etc etc, where as the daily is more like the home partition
[12:10] <bigcalm> This explains why I'm unable to use my work email in Thunderbird on my desktop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6878729/
[12:14] <bigcalm> But I don't understand why it would happen
[12:14] <bigcalm> It's happening on all FQN I try. I don't get it
[12:15] <bigcalm> Sod it, going back to old router until I have time to figure it all out
[12:16] <hoover> hey folks
[12:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: don't do updates on you laptop today
[12:43] <foobarry> i hear microsoft like nutella
[12:44] <davmor2> foobarry: sometimes I worry about you
[12:46] <foobarry> they made nutella their CEO?
[12:46] <foobarry> or did i mishear
[12:48] <foobarry> ""I would say the first thing I want to do and focus on is ruthlessly remove any obstacles that allow us to innovate,"
[12:49] <awilkins> Ballmer... Windows... Google...
[12:49] <foobarry> ummm don't you mean obstacles that stop us from innovating
[12:49] <awilkins> The US Government ... The EU Assembly ....
[12:49] <foobarry> quote from mr nutella
[12:49] <awilkins> The collective moral conscience of all MS developers ...
[12:50] <bigcalm> I'm quite fed up with networking
[12:50] <bashrc> is that a recent quote?
[12:51] <foobarry> yes bashrc his first memo to MS
[12:51] <knightwise> MS is gonna need it.
[12:52] <knightwise> RT is not doing so great , Windows 8 in the enterprise is not that big of a success and some of their enterprise cloud solutions are not very stable (sharepoint online)
[12:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: look, look, I'm playing the worlds smallest violin just for you ;)  No I concur though if you aren't a network jedi then it is overly complex.  However if you get to networking jedi there are jobs galore :)
[12:55] <bigcalm> davmor2: I understand most of what's going on with the ProSafe switch/router/firewall, but I don't think the interface is for consumers ;)
[12:56] <bigcalm> davmor2: that said, I run openwrt on my Netgear WNDR3700
[12:56] <Dave2> bigcalm: iptables -P INPUT DROP ; iptables -P OUTPUT DROP ; iptables -P FORWARD DROP
[12:56] <Dave2> bigcalm: all fixed
[12:56] <Dave2> also add some -Fs
[12:56] <bigcalm> Dave2: quite
[12:56] <foobarry> so many daves
[12:57] <bigcalm> I'm going to factory reset the switch/router and then read some documentation about it :)
[12:57] <bigcalm> foobarry: are you a Dave as well?
[12:57] <foobarry> not today
[12:57] <davmor2> foobarry: there are at least as many daves as there are alans
[12:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: resorting to the documentation man things must be bad ;)
[12:58] <bigcalm> davmor2: very
[12:59] <bigcalm> Right, time to reinstall 14.04 on my laptop that I have royally screwed by trying to get nvidia working and then removing the packages
[12:59] <bigcalm> Unless there's an easy way to get things back to how they were pre-nvidia
[12:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: did you update today?
[13:00] <bigcalm> davmor2: no. Shall I?
[13:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: no
[13:00] <foobarry> 12:17 < davmor2> bigcalm: don't do updates on you laptop today
[13:00]  * MooDoo is going to leave 14.04 until it's released
[13:01] <foobarry> remember when new releases were fun and featureful?
[13:01] <davmor2> bigcalm: what issue have you hit?
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> he bought nvidia
[13:03] <DJones> davmor2: Somebody just mentioned an issue with 14.04 in #ubuntu that sounded pretty messy
[13:04] <bigcalm> davmor2: after installing nvidia-331 and nvidia-prime (it also installed a lot of other things), the laptop would not survive a resume from suspend: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/431050553452265473/photo/1
[13:04] <davmor2> DJones: likely the protobuf issue
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: LOOK AWAY FROM THAT SCREEN
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/SnowCrash?from=Main.SnowCrash
[13:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: so switch it off instead
[13:05] <bigcalm> davmor2: so I tried removing those two packages (as you suggested) and the system no longer gave me a desktop at all
[13:05] <bigcalm> davmor2: then I reinstalled those 2 packages and still have no desktop
[13:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: to remove nvidia just do sudo apt-get purge nvidia-331 nvidia-prime should kill off nvidia
[13:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: then do sudo apt-get autoremove
[13:07]  * bigcalm reboots
[13:08] <bigcalm> Yay, working laptop again
[13:08] <bigcalm> I can bring it to the LUG tonight after all
[13:08] <bigcalm> As long as I don't dist-upgrade
[13:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'll give you a ping when the fix lands then it should be safe to upgrade again :)
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: what's the bug #?
[13:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: cheers :)
[13:12] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: not sure there is one one of the devs hit it first thing and fixed it, it's in proposed just needs to land in the repo for real
[13:12] <bigcalm> What's the issue stopping us from updating?
[13:13] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: what's the bug then? :)
[13:13] <foobarry> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26045740
[13:13] <foobarry> Adobe Flash Player gets emergency update
[13:13] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: no idea
[13:13] <foobarry> do linux users get updates anymore?
[13:14] <foobarry> A new version of the multimedia player has been made available for download for Windows, Mac and Linux computers.
[13:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: there is a protobuf abi break that means that x starts but compiz doesn't so no unity shell
[13:15] <bigcalm> davmor2: ah, okay :)
[13:27] <foobarry> why if flashplugin-installer is up to date, https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ shows an old one?
[13:28] <foobarry> or says i'm vulnerable..
[13:28] <dwatkins> 6perhaps the one in the repos is 'old'
[13:28] <dwatkins> I'm using Chrome, so my plugin is different from the official latest version.
[13:29] <dwatkins> foobarry: there are security updates for the linux version of the flash player
[13:30]  * awilkins has 202
[13:30] <foobarry> i installed them
[13:30] <foobarry> 202,336
[13:31] <dwatkins> I sometimes turn on 'click to play' for flash, just to see how widely it's used.
[13:31] <dwatkins> People really should be switching to HTML5.
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins++
[13:34] <popey> morning
[13:34] <bigcalm> Afternoon
[13:40] <MooDoo> morning popey
[14:03] <ikonia> anyone been reading anything about DDOS on against major UK ISP's
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: why? you have plans?
[14:05] <bashrc> by that "intelligence" group?
[14:05] <ikonia> no, I'm just curious what the news reports are saying as I'm seeing mixed bags and seeing mixed reports from various backbone providers
[14:06] <bashrc> is it supposed to be on now?
[14:06] <ikonia> bashrc: no-ones told me anyone has claimed responsibility yet so I don't know
[14:06] <ikonia> bashrc: it's been going on in the morning today, but appears to have died down a bit, but still present
[14:07] <bashrc> well, my server has been up all morning
[14:07] <ikonia> as has mine
[14:07] <ikonia> but it appears big chunks of janet got dropped
[14:09] <bashrc> could be hype
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> everything to make you think there are terrorists out there
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> and make you accept the internet filtering
[14:09] <bashrc> "cyberwar" agenda
[14:10] <ikonia> well, I can only go by what the service providers said "we are being ddos'd and can't maintain service"
[14:10] <bashrc> yes, all those could be factors
[14:11] <bashrc> not seeing anything untowards in my server stats, and I'm on a UK ISP
[14:11] <ikonia> I had no reason to doubt them as part of major networks appeared to be dropped
[14:11] <ikonia> bashrc: I think it's more the core backbone from what they where saying than the inividual isp's
[14:11] <ikonia> but again, I don't know, hence wondering if any of you had any reports to share
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> well, bitcoin is down $100 today
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> that used to coincide with ddoses of the major exchanges
[14:13] <bashrc> don't really care about bitcoin
[14:13] <ikonia> is that really a good indicator ?
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: unlikely
[14:14] <ikonia> just wondered as I'm not up on the coin mining stuff
[14:15] <bashrc> reading about the "intelligence" group ddosing irc servers earlier indicates to me that many of those events may be state sponsored
[14:17] <bashrc> http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/war-anonymous-british-spies-attacked-hackers-snowden-docs-show-n21361
[14:19] <ikonia> bashrc: I read through that also, but it seems unlikley that the UK government would nuke a UK education network and business network
[14:19] <bashrc> yes
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: really?
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: depends on how long
[14:20] <bashrc> but if there's big money to be made by cyber subcontractors then steps might be taken
[14:20] <ikonia> well, been down all morning from about 8:00 -ish to say 13:30 - still problems but they appear less
[14:20] <awilkins> NSA and GCHQ and other cyber guys can run "exercises" whenever they like though
[14:20] <awilkins> If the Navy does it they have to announce it
[14:20] <bashrc> see the HBGary emails for that sort of plotting
[14:20] <awilkins> If cyberintelligence does it they just blame script kiddies
[14:21] <bashrc> an easy scapegoat
[14:21] <awilkins> Someone was trying to break into my router yesterday I think
[14:21] <awilkins> The SSH daemon was stressed as hell
[14:22] <awilkins> Kept eating CPU time for no good reason, made my other connections really sluggish
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: was it logging stuff too?
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: (because in that case, fail2ban would work)
[14:23] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, I don't think I have much logging on
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: you could also teach iptables to only accept a low number of SYN packets per second for that port
[14:23] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, I've had fail2ban on it in the past, but I think I turned it off after a couple of three-strikes disasters where I locked myself out
[14:24] <bashrc> any idea how to limit syn packets?
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: fail2ban can auto-unlock you after 5 minutes. Also, ssh keys -> no password -> no password mistypings -> no misblocking
[14:24] <awilkins> I could probably alleviate this by making sure that I auth my keys BEFORE I try and connect (I may have been allowing password auth at the time, I certainly don't do that anymore)
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: yes, let me find that rule for you
[14:24] <awilkins> fail2ban is Python right?
[14:25] <awilkins> Not sure I have Python available for this crusty old build of OpenWRT
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-limit-linux-syn-attacks.html
[14:25] <bashrc> I already have fail2ban running
[14:25] <davmor2> bigcalm, MartijnVdS: protobuf issue is now fixed
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: oh it's openwrt? Go for the firewall rules then :) Much easy.
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: *\o/*\
[14:25] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, It's White Russian
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: ah, back when dinosaurs roamed the countryside
[14:26] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: surely you mean \o/
[14:26] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, Not sure about my hardware compatibility
[14:26] <awilkins> There are notes about Kamikaze needing tweaking to get the ports the right way around
[14:27] <awilkins> It all just works and has done for a long time and I'm loathe to try bricking it for fun
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I mean ✺\o/✺
[14:27] <BigRedS> These USB-powered USB-stick form-factor ARM boxes, are there any powered by PoE?
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: USB-stick ARM boxes?
[14:27] <BigRedS> that's a new mis-tab :)
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: which kind of router do you have?
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: uh yes, b<tab> :)
[14:27] <awilkins> It's a Buffalo WRT-G54
[14:28] <awilkins> Off top of head
[14:28] <BigRedS> ooh
[14:28] <awilkins> WBR G54
[14:28] <BigRedS> er, wrong window.
[14:29] <BigRedS> but MartijnVdS like the cotton candy: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Yd90SytrYCM/T9df-5Uq06I/AAAAAAAABnE/BjJON2oWWp0/s1600/cotton+candy+fxi.jpg
[14:29] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: that one is only on the old wiki.. wow
[14:38] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, Yeah, it's kind of old fashioned
[14:38] <awilkins> Hence my not daring to touch what works
[14:38]  * MartijnVdS has a TP-Link WNDR-4300 running with trunk
[14:39] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: it'll do iptables won't it?
[14:39] <awilkins> Probably
[14:39] <MartijnVdS> oh WDR-4300, the WNDR4300 is a Netgear device (yay confusement)
[14:39] <awilkins> I have a kind of simplified firewall library script on it
[14:39] <awilkins> Makes it easy enough to open / forward ports
[14:39] <awilkins> I wouldn't mind a new one but meh this one works
[14:40] <awilkins> Wireless could be better
[14:40] <awilkins> My daughters new tablet throws things into paroxysms of despair when she watches YouTube
[14:40] <awilkins> But quite happy streaming Netflix to the Wii across a wireless bridge
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: Get something that does N and AC -- they've just merged 802.11ac in trunk :)
[14:41] <awilkins> AHHHH, that's why people were going on about AC in gaming workstation build videos on YouTube
[14:41] <awilkins> I was thinking "what, this motherboard has built in air conditioning? THey're really serious about cooling now..."
[14:42] <awilkins> I used to be totally into the hardware side of things
[14:42] <awilkins> These days I just use whatever I have until it breaks or can't keep up
[14:42] <awilkins> The interval gets longer each cycle
[14:42] <awilkins> Suspect Elite : Dangerous and Star Citizen may provoke an upgrade that then lasts until I'm about 50
[14:43] <awilkins> Unless they invent the Oculus Rift 2.0 - now with full sensorium! And complementary subscription to the Spearmint Rhino channel on Youtube!
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> yeah, I'm losing the upgrade vibe as well.. except maybe with phones
[14:44] <awilkins> Phones have built in obsolescence now though
[14:44] <awilkins> Battery fade
[14:44] <foobarry> :(
[14:44] <foobarry> although my htc desire is nearly 4yrs old
[14:44] <awilkins> On a non-user-replaceable bnattery
[14:44] <awilkins> Wonder how hard it is to swap out the battery on the Nexus4
[14:44] <knightwise> There are some great android apps that you can use on a broken phone
[14:44] <knightwise> turn them into a server and stuff like that
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: ifixit has a teardown/howto I think
[14:45] <knightwise> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.icecoldapps.serversultimate&hl=en
[14:46] <awilkins> Still happy enough with the battery life on the N4 though
[14:46] <knightwise> N4 is a great phone
[14:46] <awilkins> I'm not usually far from a USb port
[14:46] <knightwise> the N5 is pretty sexy too (got to play with one yesterday)
[14:46] <awilkins> Jus tmake sure I carry the cable in my back pocket all the time
[14:54] <bigcalm> davmor2: safe to update now?
[14:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: Yes I pinged you ages ago
[14:55] <awilkins> Only thing I really want on my N4 is a SD card slot...
[14:55] <awilkins> I get Google's reason for wanting to exclude it. The one they claim, and the actual one.
[14:55] <awilkins> Even if you had to format the thing into an LVM volume group and it was totally useless as transferrable storage I'd still like an SD card slot
[14:55] <davmor2> awilkins: the if there is no storage you will use our cloud
[14:56] <awilkins> Because 16GB just isn't enough
[14:57] <awilkins> davmor2, Yeah, that's the real reason. None of this "we want to avoid all the tricksyness of having removable storage" nonsense - because they just did a total U-turn on that position in KitKAt by having pluggable storage locations like "My Dropbox" and stuff
[14:58] <directhex> google don't want you to use local storage
[14:58] <directhex> they want you to use google drive
[14:58] <directhex> and in general, phone vendors want to avoid slots as slots fail
[14:58] <awilkins> Indeed. Local storage doesn't let them collect intelligence unless they are being sneaky
[14:59] <awilkins> Whereas Drive storage lets them collect intelligence just by dint of being used
[15:00] <awilkins> Maybe one of those personal cloud drives
[15:00] <awilkins> Wireless hotspot, big fat battery, space for a drive
[15:01] <awilkins> My actual listened to music collection is probably much less than 6GB anyway
[15:02] <knightwise> Galaxy note 3
[15:02] <knightwise> ticks boxes above
[15:23] <awilkins> knightwise, Was thinking more one of these : http://www.scan.co.uk/products/icy-box-ib-wf200hd-25-sata-ssd-wireless-11n-usb-30-portable-enclosure-with-2800mah-battery
[15:24] <awilkins> The Note 3 being a full-fat phone and thus disconbobulatingly expensive
[15:38] <bigcalm> Restart and shutdown are odd things. Selecting either produces the same selection screen to appear. Both also have shutdown pre-highlighted
[15:38] <bigcalm> davmor2: updating my laptop has made it stop working :)
[15:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: Yay
[15:38] <bigcalm> davmor2: it's working after a 2nd reboot
[15:39] <bigcalm> davmor2: I updated and rebooted. Got to the login screen but no mouse or keyboard input
[15:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: by stop working do you mean you couldn't type your login in?
[15:39] <bigcalm> Pressed the power button and it gave me shutdown options that I couldn't select
[15:39] <bigcalm> davmor2: had to press and hold power
[15:39] <bigcalm> davmor2: yes. But it worked this time
[15:39] <bigcalm> Will try rebooting again
[15:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: if it happens again then try hitting ctrl+alt+f1 if that work login and restart lightdm
[15:41] <bigcalm> Still working. How odd
[15:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: normally the mouse works if that does you can just click on any of the indicators on the lightdm screen and that will unlock it
[15:42] <davmor2> bigcalm: apparently lightdm sometimes gets a race condition with the keyboard
[15:43] <bigcalm> I did try ctrl alt f1-6, no input was working at all other than pressing the power button :)
[15:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: did you ever get the feeling that a laptop hated you?
[15:44] <bigcalm> davmor2: Not really, I think it's Ubuntu
[15:44] <popey> known issue
[15:44] <bigcalm> Ubuntu hating me is a known issue?
[15:44] <popey> couple of people here had an issue this morning
[15:45] <shauno> I haven't had an issue with Ubuntu hating bigcalm </anecdotal>
[15:46] <bigcalm> Hehe
[15:50] <davmor2> shauno: change you name to bigcalm 's it will instantly hunt you down and try to kill you ;)
[15:50] <davmor2> well short-circuit your laptop at least
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> ♫Transformers
[15:51] <bigcalm> Maybe I shouldn't bring the new laptop tonight. davmor2 might try to teach it bad things
[15:52] <popey> bigcalm: did you get the login screen?
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: like.. bark at you when you come too close? ;)
[15:52] <popey> or does the screen look all screwy before that appears
[15:56] <bigcalm> popey: I got to the login screen
[15:56] <bigcalm> popey: but it's work correctly for the last 2 reboots now
[16:02] <popey> have you updated since it went wrong?
[16:04] <bigcalm> popey: it was after updating that I saw the issue
[16:05] <popey> right, but have you updated since?
[16:07] <bigcalm> popey: not since 15:30 GMT
[16:08] <popey> can you?
[16:08] <bigcalm> One mo
[16:09] <popey> bigcalm: also, you might be able to work around it by installing gdm and use that instead of lightdm
[16:09] <bigcalm> popey: only package it wants to update is liblivemedia15
[16:10] <popey> ok
[16:10] <bigcalm> popey: I haven't had the issue since that one time. There's nothing for me to work around it would seem :)
[16:10] <popey> oh okay
[16:10] <popey> sorry, misunderstood
[16:10] <bigcalm> Oops, my bad. It wants to remove liblivemedia15 :)
[16:11] <bigcalm> popey: it's the sunshine over there, it's bad for you
[16:12] <popey> the beer didnt help
[16:12] <popey> went out last night, got a bit tiddly
[16:13] <bigcalm> Yay :)
[16:13] <bigcalm> popey: I've seen what you do with balloons. Nightmares for me tonight
[16:14] <popey> the wings in that place were excellent
[16:14] <bigcalm> I want wings
[16:15] <bigcalm> Will enjoy the pulled pork at tonight's LUG though
[16:15] <popey> we had pulled pork for lunch yesterday
[16:15] <popey> and the day before
[16:16] <popey> and the wings last night had the bones removed, so were even more amazing
[16:16] <diplo> Guys, I'm a bit out of date with technology offerings at the mo so quick ask here before I start googling around
[16:16] <diplo> We have a customer who wants a new site down the road, ADSL sucks on the estate, can't cable to the site
[16:16] <diplo> Laser type thing the only option with LOS type set up, I haven't looked at laser links for about 8 years
[16:20] <bigcalm> TCP/IP/Pigeons
[16:20] <directhex> trucks filled with tapes. unbeatable bandwidth
[16:25] <bigcalm> diplo: sorry, we can't help it :)
[16:28] <bigcalm> Request from a client "It would be useful if the timestamps associated with incoming and outgoing log events were displayed with finer resolution than a minute. Displaying seconds would be good, and tenths (or hundredths?) of a second would be ideal. Thanks!"
[16:28]  * bigcalm grumbles at the resolution
[16:40] <shauno> diplo: there's some radio links that don't look too bad.  ubiquiti have a 2.4GHz rig that'll sling 100mbit over 20-30km LOS for about 130 quid, and a 24GHz rig that'll sling 1.4gbit about half the distance (but 2700gbp for two stations)
[16:41] <shauno> I've no experience with either, I just have bad memories of not being able to login at college because we had laser between two campuses, and were half a mile from the north sea
[16:42] <shauno> irish sea, whichever; suffice to say there was regularly enough optical inteference
[16:47] <bigcalm> Anybody here using slack.com ?
[16:48] <diplo> shauno: I've just found that myself thanks, looks good and reviews look food
[16:49] <diplo> Mine was by nanobridge but same sort of thing
[16:49] <diplo> 5ghz though
[16:49] <diplo> £70 ea dish, so £140 + whatever else you need to hook it up
[16:52] <shauno> I can't remember why I came across them.  my head's full of useless stuff :)
[16:55] <df_> #join freenode
[16:55] <diplo> I've only ever looked into laser, and that was 8+ years ago
[16:55] <diplo> :/
[16:58] <shauno> all I know is don't go for laser if you're by the seaside :)
[16:58] <shauno> it doesn't like rain or mist
[16:59] <bigcalm> Don't live in the UK then
[17:00] <diplo> This is worcester so should be ok :)
[17:01] <bigcalm> Had
[17:01] <bigcalm> -d
[17:01] <bigcalm> diplo: you're in Worcester?
[17:03] <diplo> I'm not, my customer is
[17:03] <diplo> I'm near Bath, my headoffice is in Nottingham
[17:07] <bigcalm> Ah
[17:16] <davmor2> diplo: you don't want to look into lasers it could blind you :)
[17:23] <bigcalm> davmor2: just you and me at the LUG tonight then?
[17:24] <davmor2> And possibly Ron and then there is james and gretchin and possibly sam and simon and then there is always Pete Oliver who just randomly turns up so who knows.  If these people put there names down we might have a better idea :)
[17:26] <bigcalm> They never do though :/
[17:26] <bigcalm> I was really surprised to see Pete Oliver the last 2 times
[17:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah he's a great guy really knowledgeable too
[17:36] <bigcalm> davmor2: with Chris' tweet, think it might be a bit far for him to attend tonight
[17:51] <bigcalm> I'll try and leave home at a reasonable time and try not to be late for a change
[18:06] <davmor2> bigcalm: ha I'll believe it when I see it workaholic boy
[18:08] <bigcalm> I was so lazy as a school child. I don't understand why I work so much now
[18:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: penance
[18:10] <bigcalm> I work for pennies?
[18:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: peanuts you mean ;)
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> pants?
[18:54] <bigcalm> It's drive time!
[18:55] <daftykins> look how many boats are hiding from the stormy winds behind Cherbourg (the peninsula of France, just beside me here in the Channel Islands)
[18:55] <daftykins> http://www.digimap.gg/ais
[18:56] <daftykins> 28 foot waves in the middle of the channel this morning! D:
[19:20] <shauno> ooh, pants
[19:26] <daftykins> o rly
[19:27] <shauno> odd.  I've always found https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ oddly interesting, but yours shows a lot more
[19:28] <shauno> ahh nm me, stuff disappears at different zoom levels
[19:32] <DJones> Anyway, talking about bad weather on islands.... Here's isleofmandan
[19:33] <isleofmandan> Hello :)
[19:34] <isleofmandan> Not been too bad today. The sea walls were already destroyed ;)
[19:36] <daftykins> :O
[19:36] <daftykins> Guernsey's getting ravaged here
[19:36] <DJones> isleofmandan: Thats a typical northen answer, the worlds ending, but its not been too bad today
[19:38] <isleofmandan> We had it worse in January - high tide, very low pressure storm and wind...    This weekend wasn't quite so bad in comparison.    According to the statisticians, we've had 3  'once in 50 year' storm events in the last 4 weeks :)
[19:38] <daftykins> XD
[19:39] <isleofmandan> And last year we had 'snowmageddon' and loss of 1000s of livestock :(
[19:39] <isleofmandan> Methinks the climate is definitely changing!
[19:40] <DJones> isleofmandan: How many MP's and heirs to the throne came visiting...
[19:40] <DJones> I'll guess none
[19:41] <isleofmandan> Since we're not in the UK, I don't think MP's care... We did get a visit from Princess Anne the other week. It rained. Heavily. She had to reschedule her day!  :)
[19:42] <shauno> that almost sounds like a stroke of luck
[19:47] <isleofmandan> It made me laugh, anyway. Was also foggy too, and here on the island there is a myth that Mannanan (Viking sea god) shrouds the island in mist to protect it from invaders ;)
[19:49] <zleap> lol
[19:54] <daftykins> XD
[19:54] <daftykins> i wonder if the channel islands have such fun myths
[19:57] <isleofmandan> We have a fair few here. Comes with the Celt and Viking history, I suppose.    I'm not at all superstitious or religious, but even I wave to the fairies at the Fairy Bridge, just in case!
[20:03] <daftykins> lol
[20:03] <daftykins> actually we do have a whole fairy people thing i think
[20:04] <isleofmandan> I think most islands have something quirky. People had to find something to amuse themselves before boats and planes were invented.
[20:05] <daftykins> :D
[20:05] <SuperEngineer> yippee - memory gample paid off - this ol' Dell *can* address 4GB DDR2
[20:05]  * SuperEngineer smiles
[20:06] <SuperEngineer> [btw - sub gample/gamble
[20:07] <daftykins> \o/
[20:08] <daftykins> and the graphics? yet to arrive?
[20:09] <SuperEngineer> nope... deliberately ordered so it arrives after DDRS - to give time to cry if needed for the mem ;)
[20:10] <daftykins> i remember you said ja
[20:10] <daftykins> not been keen to pop the can and read the PSU rating?
[20:11] <SuperEngineer> nah!  :D
[20:13] <SuperEngineer> it's paid for - it will arrive - let's see if connectors available first [as I think they are] - then I'll see what might be possible
[20:14] <SuperEngineer> [if not poss - expect to see GeForce 650 on ebay soon ;)
[20:17] <SuperEngineer> ...and the only thing I "popped" was a beer to celebrate
[20:18] <daftykins> most come with molex to <whichever pin count connector> it uses
[20:22] <SuperEngineer> do they also come with a fire extinguisher... just in case ;)
[20:27]  * SuperEngineer now running all apps [mail, rss, irc, browser, gpodder playback, hotot [twitter], Steam et all
[20:28] <foobarry> never knew about this motorola migrate app
[20:28] <foobarry> migrates pics, movies, messages, the lot
[20:32] <shauno> I think reCapatcha has evolved to the point where if you can fill in the text, you're probably a bot
[20:40] <foobarry> the left or right box?
[20:40] <foobarry> lovely new phone is lovely
[20:40] <foobarry> shame i have to hand it back to wifey
[21:03] <mapps> urgh this is such a pain
[21:03] <mapps> having to try and write an xml config so i can use an http proxy over 3g
[21:03] <mapps> cba
[21:18] <oly> hi, can anyone tell me how you enable boot logging on recent ubuntus ?
[21:19] <oly> internet suggestes /etc/default/bootlogd but that does not seem to exist
[21:28] <daftykins> oly: i think you install something like bootchart first? not sure
[21:34] <oly> giving it a try. seems silly that you would need that to log the boot messages
[21:34] <oly> surely it would be part of any distro to help with debugging
[21:35] <oly> i can see an error about firmware on boot but it disappears in seconds so no idea what it actually says :p
[22:35] <oly> bootchart does ot seem to enable the boot log :/
[22:49] <aquarius> hey, people. If you open up User Accounts from the Dash, does your user account have your actual name in it, or just your login username? And does it have a picture of you?
[22:49] <aquarius> I'm trying to get a sense of whether I'm the only person alive who's filled this stuff in
[22:50] <aquarius> (If you're not running Unity, it's the User Accounts section of System Settings, or the Gnome Control Center. If you're running KDE, don't worry; that's a different system that doesn't concern me right now.)
[22:52] <AlanBell> aquarius: actual name and photo taken during the install process on the laptop webcam
[22:52] <aquarius> cool.
[22:53] <aquarius> so it's not just me...although it might be just me and AlanBell. Anyone else? :)
[22:53] <AlanBell> I didn't have the photo there until I reinstalled at some point and the new installer offered the photo
[22:54] <AlanBell> so I suspect new installs done on laptops with a built in webcam are most likely to have photos
[22:55] <aquarius> AlanBell, agreed. I personally have my hackergotchi there, which is my icon everywhere, which means that it's explicitly user-settable, but I'm almost certainly the only person to do that :)