[00:00] anyone wanna write me a sicknote for tomorrow? [00:02] sure [00:03] sorry shauno can't come to work today, he had an explosive case computeritis [00:03] +of [00:03] I just hate this whole 'performance appraisal' thing. they're useless, time consuming, and always turn into arguments [00:03] how often do you get them? [00:04] it's 5 a year, kinda. one a quarter and one a year, under different structures [00:24] I'm just annoyed because every single time I get called out because I have pathetic metrics on all the noddy work [00:26] but it's like .. for my little slice of the pie, I take escalations from every which way *including* up. I even take escalations from the 'escalation team', which is back-asswards. lately I've found myself taking escalations from the platform team, who are meant to be writing this stuff in the first place [00:27] and I'm going to get called out, yet again, on not doing as much noddy work as the chap who has nothing else to do but read football websites [00:27] joy [00:28] I know the feeling though. any gentoo admin at my place (which is pretty much all the admin) ends up shoved onto me because I can actually work gentoo. plus they think I know drupal so I'm also a one-man drupal team [00:30] I'm planning on suggesting that I meet the rest of the team on the metrics, if the rest of the team meet me on troubleshooting. starting with a lesson that troubleshooting doesn't start with "hey, shaun?" [00:31] random: how fast can an rs232 (serial) link go? [00:31] fast [00:32] 115k-ish was around the fastest standard rate, before you start abusing them [00:32] just shy of a megabit then? [00:33] they can go faster than that. it depends how short the cable is [00:33] 115k is bytes [00:34] I finally managed to work out how to use screen to connect to my router is all. it required specifying the baud rate at 115200 [00:34] why do you want to know? [00:34] ah [00:34] I think your real question is how fast can your router go, then ;) [00:35] o_O [00:35] well I mean if 115200 is the highest its OS will let you choose, or the highest their uart will support, then how fast rs232 can go is by-the-by [00:36] i have done whatever is 115200 * 8 between AVR chips, but that is with only a couple cm of copper, and it's not rs232, it's 3v3v [00:36] and the AVR isn't fast enough to do that full duplex anyway [00:38] ali1234: that'ld be a gigabit? [00:38] 115200 itself is a megabit [00:38] wut [00:38] my maths is terrible [00:38] 10 megabit [00:40] 115200*8 is 921600bytes/s [00:40] not, it's bits per second [00:40] oooh [00:40] it should be baud? [00:40] technically yes [00:41] yeah my maths was a binary order of magnitude out [00:41] or several [00:41] 8 binary orders of magnitude? [00:41] huh, I thought baud was words/sec too. it's symbols/sec, and on serial lines a 'symbol' is a 'pulse'. so bits. [00:42] yeah. but serial has a stop bit which is wasted [00:42] and it might have parity bits too [00:42] * diddledan__ sings "every bit is sacred. every bit is good. if a bit gets wasted, God gets quite irate" [00:44] ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fUspLVStPbk [00:44] yaknow, there's some references you can take for granted [00:44] never! [00:45] hm, I can't find any 'normal' examples going higher than 115200. almost surprising how little that's moved - my amiga will push [00:46] PC UARTs usually can't go above 115200 [00:46] I always found 115200 fast enough for gaming with a null modem ;) [00:46] amiga can do any baud rate but the CPU isn't fast enough to go higher than 57600 with an 030 [00:47] games don't usually need to share a large amount of data [00:49] :( I have an '030 [00:49] get pyadt :) [00:49] lol, yeah, you've shown me that one before [00:50] I still want to get around to getting slip going, but I have no idea why. aweb is terrible, amirc is terrible .. [00:51] well, it's not that bad, it's just really, really needs tabs [00:59] I did find your "recovery partition" interesting though. strange way to do it, but interesting [00:59] why strange? [01:00] it just seems easier to empty all the floppies into one partition, rather than mounting them all and rebooting [01:00] that doesn't do what the installer does though [01:01] what i found most interesting is that the installer knows about RAD: and will unmount all the devices. normally they would survive a reboot [01:01] so likely the developers actually used something similar to this [01:01] also, you still need to use rad: to go from ADFs to a mounted image [01:02] and also, i wanted something that would be provably unmodified [01:02] too many viruses on amiga software on the internet [01:06] actually, it looks like it might work unmodified [01:06] unmodified? yeah, you can just copy df0: to dh0: or whatever, but i don't like that method [01:08] I mean you don't have to edit the installer; if the contents of the 'extras' disk are in a dir named 'Extras3.1' it'll use it [01:08] i didn't edit the installer [01:08] I mean just emptying them all into one part still [01:09] so it's like booting into a 10meg version of the install floppy [01:09] instead of booting into the recovery partition, running the script and rebooting into the install floppy [01:10] you boot into the recovery partition, and just run installer from there [01:10] that's what it does [01:10] oh wait, no, it does reboot twice [01:10] you could run that script from a regular workbench install [01:11] all it does is mount the ADFs onto ramdisks [01:11] i suppose it could have all the files already unpacked, but then it would have to md5 each file individually [01:12] I was just looking at this in the installer; http://paste.ubuntu.com/6876304/ [01:12] it seems they already have the logic for "if I have everything I need, don't ask for more disks" [01:12] yep... but everything you need won't fit on one disk... [01:12] but yeah, I wouldn't trust it downloaded like that. more on a howto [01:13] right, that's back to where I started; I found the idea of a recovery partition mounting the floppies to be odd, because if you're going to have a partition for them, it can be the install disk itself [01:16] I did find it interesting though, because I still don't have a floppy drive - and I'd never seen this RAD: before [01:17] I picked up the HxC floppy emulator, but the cable is still hanging out of the back of the drive that I can't find [01:18] I have an external that doesn't work, and I can't figure out how to open. I've been getting closer and closer to taking it outside and doing a concrete disassembly just so I can salvage that cable [01:18] you can use a PC floppy drive cable [01:19] it's straight-thru [01:19] I don't have those either [01:20] the only PC I have atm is a 1U poweredge. and sadly I've moved so many times that these things get shed over time [01:21] I should just ebay, but I'm determined the missing floppy drive is in my house somewhere [01:23] none of my floppy drives still work, they just grind the disks and report errors [01:27] ditto, that's why I thought this emulator would be fun. you just load up adf's onto an sd card, and it lets you flick through and mount them right on the floppy controller [01:29] this thing; http://hxc2001.free.fr/floppy_drive_emulator/ [01:32] reminds me, I have a friend who has an old sony camera that uses floppies. and she still uses it in anger - apparently it does better in low-light (concerts) than her real camera [01:33] not that it's relevant to anything, but it boggles my mind that such a thing exists === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [01:33] many old synthesizers and sequencers use floppies to [01:33] DD floppies now sell for like £5 each [01:34] really? oh good lord, ebay here I come [01:35] new ones :) [01:35] nope, my memory's playing tricks on me. I have a few boxes of unused floppies, but they're HD, not DD [01:36] yep, same here [01:36] HD ones work, but not really [01:37] heh, yeah, "except when they don't" [01:38] it's been a whole long time since I saw anyone selling 880k disks though [01:41] that said, my local EB sold big-box amiga games way later than anyone would have expected [01:43] i can't even find second-hand gamecube games around here [01:43] i guess ebay killed the second hand market [01:43] and amazon killed the new market [01:44] I'm not so fond of ebay for this bit; accellerator cards seem to go for many hundreds more than I'd be comfortable with [01:46] I mean, the one I've got felt bad at 150-ish, and it's just an '030 with .. I can't remember if it's 4meg, or 8 but I can only use 4 without claashing with pcmcia [01:48] and I think another 150-ish for my scandoubler. although that doesn't feel like such a ripoff [01:49] he's still making them, still releasing new revisions - both firmware and hardware. and such things wind up quite pricey if you can't make volume [01:50] so I Get where his prices come from - the second-hand market doesn't [01:52] and it seems I'm finally losing the battery game, so I'll stop babbling. 'night [04:39] hey [04:56] http://satwcomic.com/creeping [07:09] Morning all [07:20] evening [07:21] popey I say you relaxing with the rest of the guys yesterday, you take it easy mate ;) lol [07:21] s/saw [07:21] ☻ [07:21] * popey is in bed [07:21] looks like you're all having a great time :D [07:22] yeah, busy busy [07:52] morning boys and girls. [07:53] hello brobostigon how are you this fine day :D [07:53] I think I need to go to bed [07:53] morning MooDoo , half asleep still, busy day, and you? [07:53] not feeling great here at all [07:55] wassup jussi [07:55] MooDoo: just feeling crappy, sore throat, lots of muck. [07:56] yeah lots of that going around....moooo [08:03] I did actually mean boooooo :) [08:03] Morning all [08:06] morning diplo [08:07] How's the weather in the SE MooDoo ? [08:07] diplo looking at the weather on the news, not that good, here in the midlands it's wet but not that bad. I saw on the news that in cork ireland, it's under 1ft water :( [08:08] good thing cork floats [08:08] [08:08] naughty MartijnVdS ;) [08:13] blookin 'eck [08:13] I thought you were in London area now MooDoo ? [08:15] diplo, no still in Nottingham [08:17] 1havethePOWER! [08:17] HEEE MAAAAAAN ! [08:17] There [08:17] knightwise: thanks for your passwords [08:17] thats better then "good morningù" [08:17] * knightwise changes them now [08:18] Virus breaks when you have too much unsaved in the editor? [08:18] adrianpavone: insidious :) [08:20] ;] [08:20] whats up [08:21] yooo [08:21] grr.. putty won't recognise my function keys :( [08:21] =[ [08:22] why do i smoke when im out [08:22] arghhh [08:22] i quit 3 years ago [08:22] ;/ [08:22] mapps: because you lack willpower? [08:22] probably true [08:22] :( [08:23] 1 or 2 beers and i decide i feel like a cigarette [08:23] MartijnVdS, Annoying is what I call it [08:23] even pay 8.50 gbp at the casino for a pack [08:23] Borrowing stth's config file. [08:23] time and time again [08:23] ;/ [08:23] And ... his fruit is named "Amanda Seyfried" ... sicko [08:24] week three of workfare/mwa, wish me luck. [08:24] whats that? [08:24] brobostigon, wow has it been that long already? [08:25] workfare is out conservative governments slave labout scheme for the unemployed MooDoo [08:25] MooDoo: yes. [08:25] our* [08:25] labour* [08:25] workfare is out conservative governments slave labout scheme for the unemployed mapps [08:25] aha [08:25] but i thought [08:25] unemployed dont work? [08:26] yay finally got my first raspberry pi :D [08:26] what do you have to do brobostigon ? [08:26] MooDoo: any plans for it? [08:26] mapps: i have had to do shop work, which because of my osteoporosis is bone breaking. [08:26] MartijnVdS, no idea...first time I've ever seen one! [08:26] MooDoo: I've ordered a GPS kit for mine, so I can make it into an NTP server :) [08:27] argh damn shop work is dull [08:27] unlucky;/ [08:28] should apply for a job at my place [08:28] we let people work from home:) [08:28] mapps where you work? [08:28] # "never pick up" exceptions [08:28] AUTOPICKUP_EXCEPTION=">*>>>*" [08:28] Any idea what that does? [08:28] Never picks up anything with >>> in the name? [08:28] 365 [08:28] adrianpavone: which context? [08:28] always hiring new staff [08:29] mapps, what you do and where you work? [08:29] mapps: 365? Microsoft's Office division? [08:29] i just said 365:P [08:29] no [08:29] mapps: i studied computer engineering, its of absolutly no use of my abilities, [08:29] Ray Winstone..ring a bell now ;) [08:29] mapps,sorry no idea what that is lol [08:29] bet365 [08:29] big online bookmaker [08:29] mapps, ah get you now [08:29] loads of departments and diff roles [08:29] literally always hiring [08:30] high turnover? [08:30] of staff..? [08:30] in the call centre..sure [08:30] yes [08:30] but in other departments..no [08:30] ]call centres more young kids/uneducated people [08:30] but there's development/trading [08:30] etc [08:30] infrastructure [08:34] i work in the office..but it's pretty easy/relaxed:P i watch tv/sport :) [08:34] mapps sounds interesting [08:35] yea it's ok [08:35] get annoyed at times [08:35] but i'd struggle with a normal office job [08:36] i can watch say barca v real madrid while doing whatever game im doing..and bet on betfair [08:36] normal ofice wouldnt allow that:) [08:36] yeah it's all dependant on the working environment. [08:36] yep [08:36] my friend works at same company [08:36] but diff dept [08:37] and he cant even get on betfair..its blocked for them [08:37] :{ [09:07] Good morning all; happy Digital Learning Day! :-D === Guest38143 is now known as JamesTait === JamesTait is now known as Guest22694 === Guest22694 is now known as JamesTait [09:11] Happy digital learning day [09:16] Bots? [09:17] hm [09:17] am i the only person not on linked in [09:17] seems most my work are [09:17] na their real names/job titles [09:17] i just dont see why id bother putting all my info on there [09:17] same wih twiter-i have a twitter that i use to occasionally tweet a company..most my department seem to use it daily to talk to each other and facebool? [09:17] i closed facebook because i found it to be a chore [09:17] a time drain [09:17] mapps, the theory is that LinkedIn is like an online CV, with a trust network to verify the facts. [09:18] lol [09:18] so if i was their boss i'd sack them all [09:18] if theyre that ready to take a new job [09:18] i just dont get it..why do i want someone being able to google my name and find out where i work/live/what uni i went to? [09:19] In practice, I've found people endorsing skills on my profile they've never seen me use, so I still regard it with an eye of suspicion. [09:19] yea [09:19] i just dont really bother with these new things [09:19] not that new i know [09:19] Yeah, it's a Ring of Trust thing without the trust establishment. [09:19] but facebook too..isnt that a total waste? [09:19] and yet people spend HOURS on it [09:19] agree. I have been endorsed on linkedin by people who I have never met and who know nothing about me [09:19] Facebook is definitely a total waste. [09:20] i spoke to someone that said they spend 10hours a day on it [09:20] LOL [09:20] Makes people FEEL like they're connecting. [09:20] facebook is the worst [09:20] i couldnt care less what you're eating tonight adrianpavone nor could you care what i am :P [09:20] bragBOOK [09:20] my web site/email are censored on facebook [09:20] all about bragging [09:20] and showing off [09:20] mapps, Well then that's good: I have never yet taken a photo of my food. [09:20] stasibook, more like [09:20] 99% of the posts are absolute drivel!!! [09:21] irc is a totall different ball game imo [09:21] Friendica is better [09:21] mainly because the retards generally arent here in such numbers=] [09:21] IRC is more about sharing opinions and information (plus socialising) [09:21] yea [09:21] Like [09:21] :-P [09:21] facebook is just ANYTHING [09:21] like 'I WENT TO NANDOS IT WAS FUN' [09:21] Poke [09:21] 'IM GOING TO WORK LATER THAT SUCKS POOR ME' [09:21] lol [09:21] Hmm ... let me link a photobucket picture of the food I just ate ... :P [09:22] lol nandos, i went there once *like* [09:22] OK, I'll stop. [09:22] sorry adrianpavone i was wrong [09:22] i meant instagram:P its instagram where people post food pics [09:22] lol [09:22] ive never used that either [09:22] Yea [09:22] there are actual conversations on stasibook sometimes, but rarely [09:22] no, flikr is where the food pics are at [09:22] Instagram that's autolinked to FB [09:22] instagram is all selfies [09:22] With filters applied to make the photos look old and grainy. [09:22] oh is instagram facebook? [09:22] Agreed with the selfies comment [09:22] it is now, yes [09:22] aha [09:23] i didnt know [09:23] it;'s just very sad [09:23] they paid like 1 billion dollars, or something [09:23] I remember when i was at Glastonbury 2011 ...4pm i saw Gold Panda outside and there's people at the front of the area and i 100% promise [09:23] i can see a girl on facebook [09:23] like LOL [09:24] why are you here? so you can tell your friends how SICK glasto is and its amazing youre having the best time> [09:24] Well she had to post about it [09:24] yea [09:24] deff [09:24] who cares? [09:24] i just find it a bit strange [09:24] ali1234, not me [09:24] i mean it's better than sitting in a dark room on irc [09:24] but i mean its strange people care so much [09:24] ignore the stasibook nonsense and move on to real networks [09:24] hmm [09:25] is it? [09:25] yes. [09:25] nonsense convos on facebook with morons? [09:25] s/facebook/all of the internet/ [09:25] ali1234, I'll have you know my light is on! [09:25] i guess [09:25] same happened at warehouse project..infact my friend even tweeted that he was here and how good it was [09:26] i just dont see the need [09:26] Good morning peeps :) [09:26] * mapps is a lone survivor/loner;p [09:26] morning bigcalm [09:26] hi bigcalm [09:27] mapps: for all you know she could have lost her friend in the crowd, and was trying to contact them on facebook chat [09:27] Yeah, because making a phone call is so 1990's [09:28] lol [09:28] yay facebook lol [09:28] right because it's really easy to make a phone call at a rock concert [09:28] and what about glasto with no phones;p [09:28] not like there is a large amount of background noise or anything [09:28] i hd no phone after the first day [09:28] lost my old samsung [09:29] hrm, music recommendations anyone? something acoustic ish, not too rock, not too bubblegum pop, but still easy listening. [09:29] jussi: open rhythmbox, go to radio, listen to radio paradise [09:29] wait you use KDE? [09:29] ali1234: hrm... lets see if amarok has that... [09:29] yeah ;) [09:29] http://www.radioparadise.com/rp_2.php? [09:29] jussi, [09:30] florence and the machine - cosmic love [09:30] :D [09:30] or even better [09:30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYSy8xferSk [09:30] my favourite song ;] [09:32] yeah you'll like radio paradise. they play this type of stuff all day [09:32] ali1234: available in Amarok :) [09:33] you might wanna check the other streams on the website. the default one in rhythmbox doesn't have embedded track IDs [09:33] amarok seems to have them [09:33] amarok even opens the wikipage on the artist for me [09:34] see my url jussi [09:38] mapps: yeah, Ill get to it in a min :) [09:39] ;] [09:42] Is it time to go home yet? [09:42] stupid strike [09:42] underground? [09:43] yeah, although affects traffic and buses [09:43] because my bus was a couple of minutes away for 25 mins [09:44] foobarry: it was hiding, just around the corner === stuphi_away is now known as stuphi [09:45] blatantly. there was one 7 mins away for the whole time too [09:46] sooo cold === BigRedS_ is now known as BigRedS [09:47] it was a bit weird - loads of traffic all the way in and then also lots of parking once in... [09:47] it's like everyone decided to drive in, but only as far as the edge of the congestion charge zone [09:47] BigRedS: "But I can't go in there, it costs MONEYS" [09:48] what does "compacting folder" in thunderbird actually do? [09:48] remove whitespace from local files, or do stuff on server? [09:49] removes deleted messages from the database [09:49] nothing to do with the server [09:50] mapps: nice song [09:50] I have something strange... my note 2 is missing a screw - and I havent removed it... [09:50] its the one next to the camera there... http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy31/marcowing/notes2b.jpg [09:50] jussi: NSA is watching you [09:50] MartijnVdS: lol [09:51] ali1234: thanks strange because i see o365 errors from the server, folder failed to expunge [09:51] I'm not bothered about the NS, I schule 3 weeks of blog posts to go to them first before they are put on my website :D [09:52] hmm [09:53] i have no bank card atm and ii wanna go out tonight [09:53] arghh [09:54] the cassino charge 1.50 to pay on credit card [09:54] is your life just one long trip to casino and strip joint? [09:54] mapps: don't gamble if you can't take the loss ;) [09:54] lol [09:54] almost foobarry [09:54] ;p [09:55] i'm guessing ur single then [09:55] !u [09:55] U is the 21st letter of the modern latin alphabet. Neither 'U' nor 'Ur' are words in the English language. Neither are 'R', 'Y', 'l8', 'ryt', 'Ne1' nor 'Bcuz'. Mangled English is hard for non-native English speakers. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/abbreviations/ for more information. [09:55] thanks sheldon [09:55] i got a letter this year btw from Grosvenor casinos - 'dear mr mark p thanks for your loyal custom in 2013 enclosed is a vocher to redeem at the cash desk' [09:55] figure i mustve been like 150+ in 2013 [09:55] :-| [09:55] net profit/loss? [09:56] i dont gamble there [09:56] just drink [09:56] i go to Genting first serves till 5..now 5.30 [09:56] then go down to grosvenor serves till 6..allowed till 6.30 [09:56] we have 2 casinos wihin 2mins distance [09:56] surely pubs are nicer ambience than a casino? [09:56]