[04:45] YAY! [04:45] Mirror server hardware arrived in London [04:45] and is on its way to Kenya [05:23] Morning everyone [05:47] good morning [05:58] morning all [06:10] superfly: I rest my case [06:12] vodacom q3 results are confirming for me why we still need to see a massive reduction in price of data [06:13] despite all the inefficiencies they still manage to grow in revenue far too much [06:14] good morning [06:14] hi magespawn [06:14] VD data revenue up 40.7% [06:15] VC* [06:15] that sounds good, should by shares [06:15] * inetpro calls it exploitation [06:17] the average data used up 83.5% to 254 MB pm [06:19] s/by/buy [06:20] nuvolari: ? [06:20] some would argue that you do not need to use the product if you do not want to [06:21] i would argue that the cheaper the price the more people will use, and more people will use the product in total [06:23] inetpro: ? [06:24] nuvolari: I'm sure you could get away with something like a USB webcam in a waterproof housing of some sort. Run motion on your linux machine, you can configure it to start recording when it does detect motion. [06:26] You could also probably find a 4 channel DVR and cameras for a good price at something like the china mall in Durbs [06:26] superfly: just referring back to our meeting the other day [06:26] I said price of data should still come down [06:26] oh right [06:26] yes [06:28] these guys are still smiling all the way to the bank without really improving it in a way that the public can notice a difference [06:28] indeed, looking after their bottom line, as always [06:30] morning peeps [06:30] good morning ThatGraemeGuy [06:32] wb bduk1 [07:00] hi ThatGraemeGuy [07:11] inetpro that munin seems to be gem, i think you would make a fair teacher/mentor in the the practical side of network admin [07:11] eh [07:11] magespawn: glad you enjoy it [07:12] indeed and a search for it also led me to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_network_monitoring_systems [07:12] and so on [07:13] and this http://www.networkmanagementsoftware.com/network-management-software-smackdown [07:13] munin does just enough for my purposes but on a larger scale you would probably want other tools [07:16] at the moment there is only 8 desktops on this network [07:20] * inetpro doesn't see the point why anyone would want to buy a commercial product for the same purpose [07:20] at least not on a small scale [07:22] and as you noticed there are quite a number of choices available right there [07:22] would be quite a mission to try and investigate each one of them [07:23] yup there are a lot, but i will choose a few, and work my way through them when i have time [07:23] sup [07:23] wb Symmetria [07:23] i have used spiceworks before, so i can use that as a benchwark of sorts [07:23] hi Symmetria [07:23] so confirmed, mirror server hardware should leave London today for Kenya [07:24] all 150 terabytes of disk space and the giant server :) yay [07:24] ! [07:24] 10gig network card [07:24] magespawn: most of what I have learned to know was from resources like this channel [07:24] 192gig of ram [07:25] dual 8 core xeon cpus [07:25] 36 4 terabyte drives in arrays and a couple more internally [07:25] Vince-0: hi [07:25] and raided SSD's to boot off [07:27] Symmetria: interesting that you would use raided SSD's [07:27] *to boot off [07:28] Symmetria: what OS are you installing? [07:28] inetpro just makes things a little quicker and considering the investment in the server it didnt make much difference to the price [07:28] ubuntu server [07:29] interesting [07:30] you really need that much ram? [07:32] would be very interesting to know more details of your setup [07:43] inetpro the ram is to stop disk thrashing when doing releases [07:43] so its all cached in ram [07:52] inetpro basically the mirror server is a dell R720 [07:52] with dual xeon cpus [07:52] and 192 gig of ram [07:52] 10gig network card plugged straight into the backbone [07:52] behind the server are 3 dell powervault units [07:52] on dual channel eSAS connections [07:53] each of those powervault units contains 12 x 4TB terabyte drives and the PV3200 has raid offload processors on it as well [07:53] cool [07:54] and the software setup? [07:56] software setup is ubuntu server, ftp server will be vsftpd, web server I'm still debating, probably lighttpd [07:57] we could easily run apache on there but I prefer not to run something so heavy for serving content [07:57] good morning [07:57] Maaz_: coffee on [07:58] * Maaz_ puts the kettle on [07:58] hi Symmetria [07:58] morning charl [07:58] I've also got permission from UFS to do initial syncs from them so we can do those at pretty high speed [07:59] and Im working with sourceforge to get another mirror online there as well [07:59] and Im looking at dedicating 2 x STM-1 to this project to europe purely for sync, alternatively I have a few hundred meg of bandwidth via the far east I can use [08:01] Symmetria: building mirrors again? fun stuff :) [08:01] where are you gonna be running them from? your basement? :) [08:02] charl, lol, its going into the kenyan data centre, and it makes mirror.ac.za setup look like a joke [08:02] Coffee's ready for charl! [08:02] Maaz_: thanks [08:02] charl: Sure [08:02] Symmetria: sounds good ! [08:03] i was listening to a talk by jason appelbaum at the 30c3 yesterday evening [08:03] absolutely shocking what the nsa has been up to, especially with the firmware hacking and router exploitations [08:13] Haai mense [08:13] hi Vince-0 [08:14] wat mekeer [08:14] Symmetria: I guess rsync is the one app that will probably need most of that RAM? [08:17] inetpro rsync needs a fair amount, but its more about the tcp window sizes [08:18] when doing syncs to get proper throughput from international points over latency, you need large tcp windows [08:18] and the moment you let your tcp window sizes scale, you start to chew through ram [08:18] and linux gets very grumpy if you run outta ram for your tcp windows, it doesn't swap it properly and the box kernel panics [08:18] ok [08:19] so you constantly tweak it or you have a standard setting? [08:20] standard setting, 3meg default, scaling up to 64meg [08:29] what settings do you tweak? [08:29] sorry for being lazy here [08:30] but obviously I don't have the same needs here and will probably never need to go there [08:30] hold a sec, will give you details in a second [08:31] hmm... [08:31] * inetpro kicks his self [08:31] never say never [08:31] never is a long time [08:31] net.ipv4.tcp_rmem [08:32] net.ipv4.tcp_wmem [08:32] net.core.rmem_max [08:32] net.core.wmem_max [08:32] those primarily and a few other settings [08:32] interesting [08:33] cool, thanks for that [08:52] never is all the time that ever is [08:54] Symmetria, i do not even understand what you are saying there [08:55] okay i see [08:59] wow turned up some awesome amounts of info just from searching those topics [08:59] more learning awesome [09:24] hi magespawn [09:41] https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31/1492162_10152016874845528_930544194_o.jpg <=== kenya at its best [09:43] yeah that does really look kenya [09:43] nice wide angle photo [09:43] but low res :( [09:43] Symmetria: a friend of mine is in Kenya too, https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/q77/s720x720/1901698_10152226393980350_1099786999_n.jpg [09:44] charl: be careful what you wish for, Symmetria's images are normally massive [09:48] Squirm: one white leg and one brown leg? [09:48] hi psyatw [09:48] hi charl [09:48] how's it going [09:48] * Squirm shrugs [09:48] shadow? [09:48] or fell asleep on her side [09:49] her... yeah i thought it looks like female legs :) [09:56] i'm off, work needs to be done [09:56] have a good day all [12:35] later all === ThatGraemeGuy_ is now known as ThatGraemeGuy [13:22] good afternoon === smile_ is now known as smile [15:18] latet all [15:18] later too [16:18] evening everyone [16:20] o/ [16:31] Good evening [16:32] hi magespawn [16:32] lo not_found [16:32] in between everyone else [16:32] how is everyone ? [16:32] Hey , how's it going? [16:32] Hi not-found [16:32] dunno been offline all day [16:33] you guys mustnt miss next meeting [16:33] I noticed [16:33] hopefully we gonna get some changes made here [16:33] How so Kilos? [16:34] been thinking about the pros suggestion to allow only registered nicks here [16:34] i like if its switchable [16:34] some noobs need help getting nicks registered [16:34] Registered makes it easier to control [16:35] yeah [16:35] 'sup people, Kilos, magespawn, not_found [16:35] There channels and help for that [16:35] hi Private_User [16:35] Hi Private_User [16:35] he said it is a switchable option magespawn so thats good [16:36] just switch on in troubled times [16:36] but how many people here don't have registered nicks? [16:36] ? [16:37] I thought all people on this channel had registered nicks [16:37] it will definitely stop bad dudes/trolls [16:37] That might create problems on its own Kilos [16:37] Private_User the ones that cause problems [16:37] lol ok [16:37] explain magespawn [16:39] Well if some people come here without a registered nick, then try to get back when it is switched on, could cause misunderstanding and frustration [16:39] Expecially for the casual visitors [16:40] we can explain to noobs they gotta register their nicks to use this channel [16:40] S/expecially/especially [16:40] but thats why i say we need it switchable [16:41] like the fly spent a day and night banning nicks from one idiot [16:41] -1 on the suggestion [16:41] busy peeps havent got that kinda time to waste [16:41] but how would you know there is a noob trying to get onto the channel if their nick is not registered. some users will just say flip it I will use #ubuntu [16:41] Imagine a shop that is only open a certain times but you do not know when, how long would you carry on going there? [16:42] one idiot should just have been banned on the IP level for a day or two [16:42] sigh [16:42] i said we can switch it on only when there are probs and the rest of the time it can be as is now [16:43] you didnt see it not_found [16:43] and the same person that switches it on can just ban the person [16:43] but what if that shop gives excellent service and lotsa freebies and the goods are all half the price of the normal price [16:43] you can ban on ip level and then no matter what nicks he chooses he is banned [16:43] lol [16:43] he kept coming back from different proxies and different nicks [16:43] and he has been back how many times? [16:44] maybe 20 or 30 in that one day and night [16:44] and since then? [16:44] and gave threats [16:44] so who is that guy, a local? [16:45] ya [16:45] just be careful not to make things worse by trying to make it better ;) [16:45] we can discuss it at next meet [16:45] get the channel owner here too [16:46] he was here on the trouble day [16:46] wow who is the channel owner? [16:46] highvoltage [16:49] must have been a real shock when he entered that day [16:49] LOL [16:49] no he is a long time friend [16:49] just was busy overseas for some years [16:51] sarcasm missed [16:51] https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6JvTAGGEPgc/Uu9kUk3GAGI/AAAAAAAAAns/-q6JxOpc7pA/s460-no/ay56GpM_460s.jpg [16:51] lol [16:53] imagine if we had to install software that way again, I would hate to be the person that gets that task [16:55] and then you get one bad sector >.< [17:00] hehehe [17:04] btw people the ubuntu-za site when will it be up and running again? [17:05] well have to find out from tumbleweed [17:05] yeah, sorry I broke it. and I'm waiting for superfly to fix it :) [17:06] I remember Win 95 upgrade was 15 disks and you had to have dos 6.22 and win 3.11 installed first and they were 4 or so disk each [17:06] Lol [17:06] lol [17:09] yep and making a boot disk took 4 stiffy disks with win 2000 [17:10] oh wow [17:11] last time I messed with stiffies was to install Warcraft 2 and that was compressed with arj unto 23 disks... what a pita [17:27] Back again [17:27] whew bad modem day [17:30] Brb [17:32] up and down day connection wise I see [17:33] yeah [19:37] wow... [download] 100% of 1.33GiB in 00:31 [19:37] seconds [19:38] not minutes [19:38] lo nuvolari [19:38] was jy beroof [19:38] wow that is fast [19:41] hi oom Kilos [19:41] ja :-/ al die koper pype [19:41] ai@ [19:41] en hulle was vandag WEER hier om die bietjie wat oor is ook te vat [19:41] ai! ook [19:42] vervang met plastiek pype [19:43] eish, I hope my vps stays up. just doing an upgrade [19:44] ja oom, dit gaan nou 'n aluminium-composite wees [19:44] ek hoop hulle los dit nou uit [19:44] ek wil ook kyk of ek nie 'n kamera iewers kan opsit nie [19:44] 'n spy cam [19:44] ek wil net 'n idee kry hoeveel hier aangaan terwyl ek weg is [19:45] praat met mageorr dit [19:45] dis wat hy doen [19:45] magespawn [20:26] ah, sal definitief, dankie oom Kilos [20:26] hello not_found :) [20:27] hello nuvolari , how are you? [20:29] quiet huh [20:38] whoopsie [20:38] :-/ [20:38] restarted to get moar freebies [20:40] wb then nuvolarii [20:41] not entirely [20:41] can't see my system :O [20:41] :'( [20:42] ah! === nuvolari_ is now known as nuvolari [20:42] tatah === nuvolari_ is now known as nuvolari [20:44] one of those days nuvolari ? [20:45] not_found: uh-huh [20:45] :) [20:51] night guys. sleep tight. have a good shift not_found [20:51] thanks uncle Kilos ... sleep tight [21:02] ugh, need 1 more reboot === nuvolari_ is now known as nuvolari