[04:45] <Symmetria> YAY!
[04:45] <Symmetria> Mirror server hardware arrived in London
[04:45] <Symmetria> and is on its way to Kenya
[05:23] <bduk1> Morning everyone
[05:47] <inetpro> good morning
[05:58] <Squirm> morning all
[06:10] <inetpro> superfly: I rest my case
[06:12] <inetpro> vodacom q3 results are confirming for me why we still need to see a massive reduction in price of data
[06:13] <inetpro> despite all the inefficiencies they still manage to grow in revenue far too much
[06:14] <magespawn> good morning 
[06:14] <inetpro> hi magespawn
[06:14] <inetpro> VD data revenue up 40.7% 
[06:15] <inetpro> VC*
[06:15] <magespawn> that sounds good, should by shares
[06:15]  * inetpro calls it exploitation 
[06:17] <inetpro> the average data used up 83.5% to 254 MB pm
[06:19] <magespawn> s/by/buy
[06:20] <Squirm> nuvolari: ?
[06:20] <magespawn> some would argue that you do not need to use the product if you do not want to
[06:21] <magespawn> i would argue that the cheaper the price the more people will use, and more people will use the product in total
[06:23] <superfly> inetpro: ?
[06:24] <Squirm> nuvolari: I'm sure you could get away with something like a USB webcam in a waterproof housing of some sort. Run motion on your linux machine, you can configure it to start recording when it does detect motion.
[06:26] <Squirm> You could also probably find a 4 channel DVR and cameras for a good price at something like the china mall in Durbs
[06:26] <inetpro> superfly: just referring back to our meeting the other day
[06:26] <inetpro> I said price of data should still come down
[06:26] <superfly> oh right
[06:26] <superfly> yes
[06:28] <inetpro> these guys are still smiling all the way to the bank without really improving it in a way that the public can notice a difference
[06:28] <magespawn> indeed, looking after their bottom line, as always
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[06:30] <inetpro> good morning ThatGraemeGuy
[06:32] <inetpro> wb bduk1
[07:00] <magespawn> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:11] <magespawn> inetpro that munin seems to be gem, i think you would make a fair teacher/mentor in the the practical side of network admin
[07:11] <inetpro> eh
[07:11] <inetpro> magespawn: glad you enjoy it
[07:12] <magespawn> indeed and a search for it also led me to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_network_monitoring_systems
[07:12] <magespawn> and so on
[07:13] <magespawn> and this http://www.networkmanagementsoftware.com/network-management-software-smackdown
[07:13] <inetpro> munin does just enough for my purposes but on a larger scale you would probably want other tools
[07:16] <magespawn> at the moment there is only 8 desktops on this network 
[07:20]  * inetpro doesn't see the point why anyone would want to buy a commercial product for the same purpose
[07:20] <inetpro> at least not on a small scale
[07:22] <inetpro> and as you noticed there are quite a number of choices available right there
[07:22] <inetpro> would be quite a mission to try and investigate each one of them
[07:23] <magespawn> yup there are a lot, but i will choose a few, and work my way through them when i have time
[07:23] <Symmetria> sup
[07:23] <inetpro> wb Symmetria
[07:23] <magespawn> i have used spiceworks before, so i can use that as a benchwark of sorts 
[07:23] <magespawn> hi Symmetria 
[07:23] <Symmetria> so confirmed, mirror server hardware should leave London today for Kenya 
[07:24] <Symmetria> all 150 terabytes of disk space and the giant server :) yay
[07:24] <Vince-0> !
[07:24] <Symmetria> 10gig network card
[07:24] <inetpro> magespawn: most of what I have learned to know was from resources like this channel
[07:24] <Symmetria> 192gig of ram
[07:25] <Symmetria> dual 8 core xeon cpus
[07:25] <Symmetria> 36 4 terabyte drives in arrays and a couple more internally 
[07:25] <inetpro> Vince-0: hi
[07:25] <Symmetria> and raided SSD's to boot off 
[07:27] <inetpro> Symmetria: interesting that you would use raided SSD's
[07:27] <inetpro> *to boot off
[07:28] <inetpro> Symmetria: what OS are you installing?
[07:28] <Symmetria> inetpro just makes things a little quicker and considering the investment in the server it didnt make much difference to the price 
[07:28] <Symmetria> ubuntu server 
[07:29] <inetpro> interesting
[07:30] <inetpro> you really need that much ram?
[07:32] <inetpro> would be very interesting to know more details of your setup
[07:43] <Symmetria> inetpro the ram is to stop disk thrashing when doing releases
[07:43] <Symmetria> so its all cached in ram
[07:52] <Symmetria> inetpro basically the mirror server is a dell R720
[07:52] <Symmetria> with dual xeon cpus
[07:52] <Symmetria> and 192 gig of ram
[07:52] <Symmetria> 10gig network card plugged straight into the backbone
[07:52] <Symmetria> behind the server are 3 dell powervault units 
[07:52] <Symmetria> on dual channel eSAS connections
[07:53] <Symmetria> each of those powervault units contains 12 x 4TB terabyte drives and the PV3200 has raid offload processors on it as well
[07:53] <inetpro> cool
[07:54] <inetpro> and the software setup?
[07:56] <Symmetria> software setup is ubuntu server, ftp server will be vsftpd, web server I'm still debating, probably lighttpd 
[07:57] <Symmetria> we could easily run apache on there but I prefer not to run something so heavy for serving content 
[07:57] <charl> good morning
[07:57] <charl> Maaz_: coffee on
[07:58]  * Maaz_ puts the kettle on
[07:58] <charl> hi Symmetria 
[07:58] <Symmetria> morning charl
[07:58] <Symmetria> I've also got permission from UFS to do initial syncs from them so we can do those at pretty high speed
[07:59] <Symmetria> and Im working with sourceforge to get another mirror online there as well
[07:59] <Symmetria> and Im looking at dedicating 2 x STM-1 to this project to europe purely for sync, alternatively I have a few hundred meg of bandwidth via the far east I can use
[08:01] <charl> Symmetria: building mirrors again? fun stuff :)
[08:01] <charl> where are you gonna be running them from? your basement? :)
[08:02] <Symmetria> charl, lol, its going into the kenyan data centre, and it makes mirror.ac.za setup look like a joke
[08:02] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:02] <charl> Maaz_: thanks
[08:02] <Maaz_> charl: Sure
[08:02] <charl> Symmetria: sounds good !
[08:03] <charl> i was listening to a talk by jason appelbaum at the 30c3 yesterday evening
[08:03] <charl> absolutely shocking what the nsa has been up to, especially with the firmware hacking and router exploitations
[08:13] <Vince-0> Haai mense
[08:13] <charl> hi Vince-0 
[08:14] <Vince-0> wat mekeer
[08:14] <inetpro> Symmetria: I guess rsync is the one app that will probably need most of that RAM?
[08:17] <Symmetria> inetpro rsync needs a fair amount, but its more about the tcp window sizes 
[08:18] <Symmetria> when doing syncs to get proper throughput from international points over latency, you need large tcp windows
[08:18] <Symmetria> and the moment you let your tcp window sizes scale, you start to chew through ram
[08:18] <Symmetria> and linux gets very grumpy if you run outta ram for your tcp windows, it doesn't swap it properly and the box kernel panics
[08:18] <inetpro> ok
[08:19] <inetpro> so you constantly tweak it or you have a standard setting?
[08:20] <Symmetria> standard setting, 3meg default, scaling up to 64meg 
[08:29] <inetpro> what settings do you tweak?
[08:29] <inetpro> sorry for being lazy here
[08:30] <inetpro> but obviously I don't have the same needs here and will probably never need to go there
[08:30] <Symmetria> hold a sec, will give you details in a second
[08:31] <inetpro> hmm... 
[08:31]  * inetpro kicks his self
[08:31] <inetpro> never say never
[08:31] <inetpro> never is a long time
[08:31] <Symmetria> net.ipv4.tcp_rmem
[08:32] <Symmetria> net.ipv4.tcp_wmem
[08:32] <Symmetria> net.core.rmem_max
[08:32] <Symmetria> net.core.wmem_max
[08:32] <Symmetria> those primarily and a few other settings
[08:32] <charl> interesting
[08:33] <inetpro> cool, thanks for that
[08:52] <magespawn> never is all the time that ever is
[08:54] <magespawn> Symmetria, i do not even understand what you are saying there
[08:55] <magespawn> okay i see
[08:59] <magespawn> wow turned up some awesome amounts of info just from searching those topics
[08:59] <magespawn> more learning awesome
[09:24] <charl> hi magespawn 
[09:41] <Symmetria> https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31/1492162_10152016874845528_930544194_o.jpg <[09:43] <charl> yeah that does really look kenya
[09:43] <charl> nice wide angle photo
[09:43] <charl> but low res :(
[09:43] <Squirm> Symmetria: a friend of mine is in Kenya too, https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/q77/s720x720/1901698_10152226393980350_1099786999_n.jpg
[09:44] <Squirm> charl: be careful what you wish for, Symmetria's images are normally massive
[09:48] <charl> Squirm: one white leg and one brown leg?
[09:48] <charl> hi psyatw 
[09:48] <psyatw> hi charl
[09:48] <charl> how's it going
[09:48]  * Squirm shrugs
[09:48] <Squirm> shadow?
[09:48] <Squirm> or fell asleep on her side
[09:49] <charl> her... yeah i thought it looks like female legs :)
[09:56] <charl> i'm off, work needs to be done
[09:56] <charl> have a good day all
[12:35] <magespawn> later all
[13:22] <magespawn> good afternoon
[15:18] <magespawn> latet all
[15:18] <magespawn> later too
[16:18] <Kilos> evening everyone
[16:20] <not_found> o/
[16:31] <magespawn> Good evening
[16:32] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[16:32] <Kilos> lo not_found 
[16:32] <Kilos> in between everyone else
[16:32] <not_found> how is everyone ?
[16:32] <magespawn> Hey , how's it going?
[16:32] <magespawn> Hi not-found
[16:32] <Kilos> dunno been offline all day
[16:33] <Kilos> you guys mustnt miss next meeting
[16:33] <magespawn> I noticed
[16:33] <Kilos> hopefully we gonna get some changes made here
[16:33] <magespawn> How so Kilos?
[16:34] <Kilos> been thinking about the pros suggestion to allow only registered nicks here
[16:34] <Kilos> i like if its switchable
[16:34] <Kilos> some noobs need help getting nicks registered
[16:34] <magespawn> Registered makes it easier to control
[16:35] <Kilos> yeah
[16:35] <Private_User> 'sup people, Kilos, magespawn, not_found
[16:35] <magespawn> There channels and help for that
[16:35] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[16:35] <magespawn> Hi Private_User
[16:35] <Kilos> he said it is a switchable option magespawn so thats good
[16:36] <Kilos> just switch on in troubled times
[16:36] <Private_User> but how many people here don't have registered nicks?
[16:36] <Kilos> ?
[16:37] <Private_User> I thought all people on this channel had registered nicks
[16:37] <Kilos> it will definitely stop bad dudes/trolls
[16:37] <magespawn>  That might create problems on its own Kilos
[16:37] <magespawn> Private_User the ones that cause problems
[16:37] <Private_User> lol ok
[16:37] <Kilos> explain magespawn 
[16:39] <magespawn> Well if some people come here without a registered nick, then try to get back when it is switched on, could cause misunderstanding and frustration
[16:39] <magespawn> Expecially for the casual visitors
[16:40] <Kilos> we can explain to noobs they gotta register their nicks to use this channel
[16:40] <magespawn> S/expecially/especially
[16:40] <Kilos> but thats why i say we need it switchable
[16:41] <Kilos> like the fly spent a day and night banning nicks from one idiot
[16:41] <not_found> -1 on the suggestion
[16:41] <Kilos> busy peeps havent got that kinda time to waste
[16:41] <Private_User> but how would you know there is a noob trying to get onto the channel if their nick is not registered. some users will just say flip it I will use #ubuntu
[16:41] <magespawn> Imagine a shop that is only open a certain times but you do not know when, how long would you carry on going there?
[16:42] <not_found> one idiot should just have been banned on the IP level for a day or two
[16:42] <Kilos> sigh
[16:42] <Kilos> i said we can switch it on only when there are probs and the rest of the time it can be as is now
[16:43] <Kilos> you didnt see it not_found 
[16:43] <not_found> and the same person that switches it on can just ban the person
[16:43] <Private_User> but what if that shop gives excellent service and lotsa freebies and the goods are all half the price of the normal price
[16:43] <not_found> you can ban on ip level and then no matter what nicks he chooses he is banned
[16:43] <Private_User> lol
[16:43] <Kilos> he kept coming back from different proxies and different nicks
[16:43] <not_found> and he has been back how many times?
[16:44] <Kilos> maybe 20 or 30 in that one day and night
[16:44] <not_found> and since then?
[16:44] <Kilos> and gave threats
[16:44] <Private_User> so who is that guy, a local?
[16:45] <Kilos> ya
[16:45] <not_found> just be careful not to make things worse by trying to make it better ;)
[16:45] <Kilos> we can discuss it at next meet
[16:45] <Kilos> get the channel owner here too
[16:46] <Kilos> he was here on the trouble day
[16:46] <Private_User> wow who is the channel owner?
[16:46] <Kilos> highvoltage
[16:49] <Private_User> must have been a real shock when he entered that day
[16:49] <Private_User> LOL
[16:49] <Kilos> no he is a long time friend
[16:49] <Kilos> just was busy overseas for some years
[16:51] <not_found> sarcasm missed
[16:51] <not_found> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6JvTAGGEPgc/Uu9kUk3GAGI/AAAAAAAAAns/-q6JxOpc7pA/s460-no/ay56GpM_460s.jpg
[16:51] <Private_User> lol
[16:53] <Private_User> imagine if we had to install software that way again, I would hate to be the person that gets that task
[16:55] <not_found> and then you get one bad sector >.<
[17:00] <Private_User> hehehe
[17:04] <Private_User> btw people the ubuntu-za site when will it be up and running again?
[17:05] <Kilos> well have to find out from tumbleweed 
[17:05] <tumbleweed> yeah, sorry I broke it. and I'm waiting for superfly to fix it :)
[17:06] <magespawn> I remember  Win 95 upgrade was 15  disks and you had to have dos 6.22 and win 3.11 installed first and they were 4 or so disk each
[17:06] <magespawn> Lol
[17:06] <Kilos> lol
[17:09] <Private_User> yep and making a boot disk took 4 stiffy disks with win 2000
[17:10] <not_found> oh wow
[17:11] <not_found> last time I messed with stiffies was to install Warcraft 2 and that was compressed with arj unto 23 disks... what a pita
[17:27] <magespawn> Back again
[17:27] <Kilos> whew bad modem day
[17:30] <magespawn> Brb
[17:32] <not_found> up and down day connection wise I see
[17:33] <Kilos> yeah
[19:37] <nuvolari> wow... [download] 100% of 1.33GiB in 00:31
[19:37] <nuvolari> seconds
[19:38] <nuvolari> not minutes
[19:38] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[19:38] <Kilos> was jy beroof
[19:38] <Kilos> wow that is fast
[19:41] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[19:41] <nuvolari> ja :-/ al die koper pype 
[19:41] <Kilos> ai@
[19:41] <nuvolari> en hulle was vandag WEER hier om die bietjie wat oor is ook te vat
[19:41] <Kilos> ai! ook
[19:42] <Kilos> vervang met plastiek pype
[19:43] <nuvolari> eish, I hope my vps stays up. just doing an upgrade
[19:44] <nuvolari> ja oom, dit gaan nou 'n aluminium-composite wees
[19:44] <nuvolari> ek hoop hulle los dit nou uit
[19:44] <nuvolari> ek wil ook kyk of ek nie 'n kamera iewers kan opsit nie
[19:44] <nuvolari> 'n spy cam
[19:44] <nuvolari> ek wil net 'n idee kry hoeveel hier aangaan terwyl ek weg is
[19:45] <Kilos> praat met mageorr dit
[19:45] <Kilos> dis wat hy doen
[19:45] <Kilos> magespawn
[20:26] <nuvolari> ah, sal definitief, dankie oom Kilos 
[20:26] <nuvolari> hello not_found :)
[20:27] <not_found> hello nuvolari , how are you?
[20:29] <not_found> quiet huh
[20:38] <nuvolarii> whoopsie
[20:38] <nuvolarii> :-/
[20:38] <nuvolarii> restarted to get moar freebies
[20:40] <not_found> wb then nuvolarii 
[20:41] <nuvolarii> not entirely
[20:41] <nuvolarii> can't see my system :O
[20:41] <nuvolarii> :'(
[20:42] <nuvolari_> ah!
[20:42] <nuvolarii> tatah
[20:44] <not_found> one of those days nuvolari ?
[20:45] <nuvolari> not_found: uh-huh
[20:45] <not_found> :)
[20:51] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight. have a good shift not_found 
[20:51] <not_found> thanks uncle Kilos ... sleep tight
[21:02] <nuvolari> ugh, need 1 more reboot