[00:02] knome, OK I will try :) [00:02] if you break it... it can always be fixed [00:02] schproodle, ping us if needing help [00:02] knome, you were close -- fiddled it -- looks OK now. Thanks [00:04] schproodle, now you have the link to add to the machine column in the tracker -> http://pastebin.com/VJSa0ajn [00:06] slickymaster, OK looks great. I have to enter that url for each report eh. [00:07] schproodle, yes, for each one :P [00:07] hey schproodle, thanks a lot for being, and reporting, those tests [00:08] slickymaster, well some might get the impression that I know what I'm doin. lol :) [00:09] schproodle, well, the way see it, you're doing a fabulous job [00:09] slickymaster, elfy helped me set up vbox earlier btw [00:09] schproodle, thanks for testing from me as well! [00:09] :) is our -qa lead [00:09] Nice work people! [00:09] he is ^ [00:10] slickymaster, you mean elfy is :P [00:10] :P [00:10] you appeared out of nowhere, when I was still writing [00:11] new skill learned! [00:11] * slickymaster is convinced that knome has ninja hidden skills [00:11] maybe in irc... [00:18] slickymaster, what is "-qa lead" sort of solder or petrol additive or...? [00:19] schproodle, qa stands for the Xubuntu Quality Assurance team -> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-qa [00:20] and elfy is the leader of that team, hence elfy is the -qa lead [00:21] I have enjoyed xubuntu for many years. Thanks and kudos to your team. [00:22] tks schproodle [01:06] knome, I see I missed slicky tonight. I can make 22UTC for the meeting tomorrow, or anytime from about 18 on. [01:06] jjfrv8, let's do it at 22UTC then, i'll try to be around [01:06] oki [01:07] I've got a draft of my application for -core ready, would you want to go over that then too? [01:07] sure, or if you have it ready now, you can send it to me by email, and i can review it before the meeting [01:08] OK. I'll do that. [01:08] cheers :) [01:08] cya [01:09] see you, have fun meanwhile! [01:09] :) [02:50] knome, I'll be away from the meeting then. I leave for school at 21UTC [03:04] Noskaj: still around? [03:04] Catfish 1.0 released, https://launchpad.net/catfish-search/1.0/1.0.0 [03:05] For packaging, it does not necessarily depend on locate, just has to be an application that installs a locate executable in PATH [03:05] bluesabre, I'll do that later today [03:05] which, for debian and ubuntu, I believe mlocate is sufficient [03:05] and i think it's reccomends: mlocate | locate now [03:06] great, that should do it [03:06] What launchpad or debian bugs are closed by this? [03:07] all the bugs listed at the bottom of https://launchpad.net/catfish-search/1.0/1.0.0 [03:08] also, debian bugs #589777, #598598, #731363 [03:08] Debian bug 589777 in catfish "catfish: [Patch] Make it easier to translate files found message" [Minor,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/589777 [03:08] Debian bug 731363 in catfish "catfish: depends on locate undocumented and without favoring mlocate" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/731363 [03:08] Debian bug 598598 in catfish "Sidebar too narrow in some locales" [Minor,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/598598 [03:09] well, I guess 731363 is an upload bug [03:10] lp #1230245 [03:10] Launchpad bug 1230245 in Catfish "In version 0.8.2 thumbnail option doesn't work" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1230245 [03:10] lp #1257500 [03:10] Launchpad bug 1257500 in catfish (Ubuntu) "Contains embedded copy of pexpect" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1257500 [03:10] lp #1258713 [03:10] Launchpad bug 1258713 in catfish (Ubuntu) "Catfish crashing with gi._glib.GError: Icon 'camera-photo' not present in theme" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1258713 [03:10] ty [03:10] I can keep pasting if you'd like? [03:11] lp #1261181 [03:11] Launchpad bug 1261181 in Catfish "Untranslatable strings "Search terms" and "About" etc." [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261181 [03:11] lp #1261185 [03:11] Launchpad bug 1261185 in Catfish "Sidebar width insufficient for non-English languages" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261185 [03:11] lp #1261188 [03:11] Launchpad bug 1261188 in Catfish "Folders icon in sidebar incorrectly colored" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261188 [03:11] lp #1274378 [03:11] Launchpad bug 1274378 in Catfish "Catfish does not search mounted shares, likely because mounts are in hidden gvfs folder" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1274378 [03:11] done :) [03:17] I suppose I should put that into an email then [03:17] :) [03:41] bluesabre: Could you email me the list? I only need bug numbers, and only for ubuntu/debian bugs [03:42] ok, I'll send you the truncated list [03:42] ty [03:46] sent [03:46] heading to bed, email me if you have any questions or issues [03:47] night all! [03:48] g'night [03:51] wow, our flyer is on fire [03:51] https://plus.google.com/110081316948826688396/posts/HDQyRR2i7in [03:51] +255, 82 reshares [03:51] knome: ^^ [03:52] I did something right re: marketing \o/ [03:52] nice work pleia2 [03:53] thanks :) [06:47] hey micahg [06:48] (oh, read that thing about "sleep" too late) [08:19] !team | if anyone gets to do a test here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/311/builds that'll help [08:19] that works then [08:19] !team [08:19] bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, mr_pouit, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 [08:19] ^^ [08:31] WARNING: This image is OVERSIZED. This should never happen during milestone testing. Welp. [09:24] pleia2, ;) [09:32] elfy: Are you already testing? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:16] (wrapper:2113): libxfce4util-CRITICAL **: IA__xfce_rc_write_entry: assertion 'value != NULL' failed [11:16] Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_r300.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [11:16] That's fun... [11:36] jjfrv8: something come up and I'll be unable to make today's meeting at 19, can you postponed it to 22 UTC? [11:38] slickymaster, he said he's fine with that [11:39] hey knome, morning [11:39] yeah, I'm seeing it in the log, now :P [11:39] good day [11:40] slickymaster, ^ another reason why it would be a good idea to have a irc shell, even if you can't access it from work [11:41] yes, you're right [11:42] I'll try to discuss it with pleia2, today or tomorrow (between the team meeting and my ubuntu membership meeting) [11:43] mhm [11:44] knome: mumbling or wondering? [11:45] "okay" :) [12:34] ochosi: any news regarding bug 1223808? is it still valid? [12:34] bug 1223808 in gmusicbrowser (Ubuntu) "gmbrc misses line to activate albuminfo-plugin" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1223808 [12:34] the bug report expired [12:37] yes i know [12:37] ok [12:38] i haven't resubmitted another patch/report because there were doubts that it is a good idea to activate this plugin by default (as it can theoretically stop working, being based on the parsing of a website) [12:38] i have to re-check the plugin's code (it was fixed upstream) to decide how to proceed with that [12:38] alright :) [12:50] bluesabre, ping [13:06] Unit193: I was yes [13:07] just after 32 bit now - I'll do some tonight [13:17] slickymaster: remind me tomorrow re your membership meeting [13:57] knome, I see that 12.04.1 made it to -proposed but is still missing some graphics... and you've already addressed that? [13:58] jjfrv8, yep, .2 should be landing at some poing [13:58] *point [13:58] cool [13:58] yep, let's hope it finally fixes all the issues [13:59] indeed. so there's still time for it to make it into the actual release? [14:00] we will make it, i've been in touch with cjwatson, who's doing the release [14:00] :) [14:15] Can one change/edit a test result for yesterday's Daily? If so, how do I find it? [14:15] On QATracker [14:16] schproodle, yesterday's daily... that's gone :) [14:17] knome, OK I realized I did not interpret the task correctly. The test should have been failed. [14:18] run a new test against today's ISO, and report a fail [14:19] knome, Done. Thanks [14:19] i mean, actually also run the test ;) [14:20] knome, Yes, done. That is how I realized that I goofed yesterday's test result. [14:21] heh, sure :) [14:22] knome, It was appropriate for you to clarify that BTW. [14:25] don't worry elfy, I'll remind everyone of that in the team. And thanks for your attention and kindness [14:44] ali1234: seems like the X11 present-extension landed in ubuntu trusty [15:15] oookay, xubuntu-docs 12.04.2 should be safeul guided through to 12.04.4 now, respin TBD [15:15] safeul? safely. [15:16] bluesabre: even though https://translations.launchpad.net/menulibre/2.0 isn't showing it (LP is borked as it's showing 0% translated when the real state is 100%), the MenuLibre 2.0 series is completely translated into portuguese [15:18] knome: -docs blueprint -> Update documentation for xfdesktop 4.11: INPROGRESS [15:20] can't we use the work jjfrv8 amd me did? [15:21] knome: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs ^^^ [15:22] s/jjfrv8 amd me/jjfrv8 amd I [15:22] slickymaster, most definitely. but it'll need to be ported to the xubuntu docs [15:22] ok, I'll start working on it [15:23] thanks :) [15:24] knome: that will have to go on the settings-preferences chapter also [15:24] hmm. [15:24] let me see something. [15:24] docs docs docs docs [15:24] slickymaster, you're correcy. [15:25] *t [15:25] elfy, any reason 12.04 alternate is not listed in the tracker? [15:25] hey elfy, I haven't forgot that I'm also a -qa guy [15:25] not that I know of - I've not touched the tracker [15:25] elfy: who let the docs out? [15:25] knome: ^^ [15:26] elfy, okay [15:27] slickymaster, unrelated note: we might want to reconsider the header for the "Desktop" section under "Getting to know..." once we know how the customizing chapter turns out [15:27] slickymaster, also note that the aforementioned section has a brief mention of the desktop context (right-click) menu [15:27] * slickymaster is opening the offline docs [15:28] slickymaster, if we are explaining a lot of the desktop customization stuff, we proabably should add a quick link at the end of that section [15:28] file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/desktop-guide/guide-desktop.html#desktop [15:30] and i might need to look at a css theming issue on the docs [15:30] knome: you're talking about the new chapter right? [15:30] (not a big one, but annoying) [15:30] or are you still referring to the old Chapter 3. Getting to know your desktop environment? [15:30] slickymaster, i'm talking about making sure the "Desktop" section is updated if needed, and interlinking to the new section from there when it's done [15:31] I see [15:31] well that seems like a sane and logic decision [15:31] slickymaster, and that we might want to reconsider the "Desktop" section's name (though it might be perfectly fine/valid to keep it as is) [15:32] it won't be easy as the present name is completely self-explanatory [15:33] sure, i'm just saying :) [15:34] * slickymaster thinks that knome is throwing fuel on the fire [15:34] ;) [15:34] always [15:34] that's how this project stays alive [15:34] ;) [15:34] agree [15:34] throw flammable material on it and people need to come and extinguish it [15:34] lol [15:37] knome: there's one thing though, it must be defined what is priority, MenuLibre or Xfdesktop, that's something we should address on today's meeting with jjfrv8 [15:37] that's a really hard question [15:37] basically, both are priority for this release [15:37] the countdown to doc-freeze is moving on [15:38] march 20 [15:38] 6 weeks [15:38] a month and a half, give it or take it [15:38] yeaps [15:38] (though it'd be cool to have stuff in for the beta 1) [15:38] i would say; [15:39] since xfdesktop stuff is *written*, port that now [15:39] so we can have at least it for b1 [15:39] then do the menulibre stuff after that with a priority for making the doc freeze [15:39] from that point, we have about a month to finish off the rest of the stuff [15:39] I think it would be better, since we already have some sort of foundation done [15:39] oh, hmm, we need to refresh the installer slideshow [15:39] is there any menulibre documentation yet? [15:39] elfy, nope [15:40] no [15:40] ok [15:40] i can take the lead on the installer slideshow stuff though [15:40] I was thinking on starting it, now that mugshot is done with [15:40] so you don't need to have to worry about it too much [15:40] thanks [15:40] slickymaster, would guess that porting the xfdesktop stuff is a day's task at most, right? [15:40] well - my issue is at the moment - I can write a testcase that says - open menulibre - see if you can make it work [15:41] i mean, we don't need to port all of it, just some highlights [15:41] elfy, have you ran menulibre 2.0 ? [15:41] yep - no idea how to work it - unless what I was trying to do doesn't work [15:41] who knows [15:42] ? [15:42] bbiab [15:42] knome: yes, I agree with the idea of just porting the highlights of it [15:45] knome: there isn't an alternate to test it appears - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/precise/daily-live/20140204/ [15:45] knome: but as for being a day's task that really depends on external factors that I might not be able to control [15:47] elfy, being built [15:47] ok [15:47] slickymaster, sure, i was referring to an ideal situation where you had a whole day to work on it ;) [15:48] elfy, though it (and the other images) need to be rebuilt for the new docs package [15:48] elfy, docs docs docs! [15:48] :) [15:49] well knome, no one promised it was supposed to be easy, so there's no need whining about the difficulties [15:49] slickymaster, true that ;) [15:49] well slickymaster - eventually you need to either whine or rant :p [15:49] * knome picks up the next canister of gas and a dynamite bar [15:50] * knome throws them in the little campfire called 'xubuntu' [15:50] * elfy favours throwing everything in the air and wandering off into the sunset usually [15:50] elfy: that's why I always have my board in the car and I'm always 5 minutes away from the ocean [15:50] very nice :) [15:50] so I won't rant and/or whine [16:05] knome: so alternate built - install fails with no kernel modules [16:26] updated works [16:28] elfy, yep, cjwatson is on it [16:28] elfy, respinning again [16:29] again? [16:29] the last one seems to be ok [16:30] 18:24 cjwatson: knome: argh, sorry, that respin didn't work because the mirror was locked, I'll retry in a bit [16:30] elfy, maybe the new -docs package wasn't in [16:30] mmm [16:30] what channel are you seeing that in? [16:30] #ubuntu-devel [16:31] ok [16:31] not in there [16:31] me neither usually [16:31] so don't worry :P [16:31] guess i should though [16:32] pleia2, "(c) 2012, 2013, 2014" or "(c) 2012–2014" ? [16:33] done now [16:35] elfy, can you confirm that when you open the docs, you see "welcome to 12.04" and the header image ? [16:40] when it installs I will [16:41] knome: ^^ - or do you want that from livecd rather than alternate? [16:42] knome, I just ran updates on the image I installed this morning and I got .2. It looks right now. [16:42] elfy, should be the same [16:42] jjfrv8, yep. thanks :) [16:49] knome: looks right to me [16:50] Testing QATracker: Daily wants to Upgrade Linux FAMILY by default in 'Installaion Type'. The Testcase steps might mention this when an installation will replace or install along side an existing Linux installation. Should I be noting this in the report perhaps in the 'Comment'? [16:51] schproodle: the thing to do if there is an issue with a testcase is to report it as a bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug [16:51] making sure to include the testcase number in the report [16:52] elfy, Is this a bug? Seems like a reasonable option for installing over an existing Linux installation. [16:54] schproodle: I've not got time to even look at the moment - if you think it's a testcase bug - report it and we'll get to it [16:54] OK. [16:55] but as far as I am aware the iso's always default to that - so if that's not right that is a bug elsewhere - but I'd suspect it to be what they want it to do [16:56] me 2 [17:01] 'Details for testcase' should indicate that IMHO. [17:01] then please just report it [17:01] as a bug then? [17:02] OK [17:02] yes - and I'll get notified of it - as will all testcase admins - someone will look at it [17:02] okeeleedokeelee [17:43] elfy, Bug #1276720 'Testcase fails to note relevance of existing Linux FAMILY for Installation Type default' [17:43] bug 1276720 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Testcase fails to note relevance of existing Linux FAMILY for Installation Type default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1276720 [17:45] already seen it ;) [17:45] What took so long eh :) [17:46] I hope it makes sense... [17:46] Iv'e not looked properly yet I'm afraid [17:47] Sorry to bother you...carry on please. [17:47] won't be today - I'm up to my eyes in 12.04.4 testing and other stuff atm [19:03] knome: 2012-2014 [19:10] was there supposed to be a doc team meeting now? [19:10] I added it to the calendar :) === pcwhite is now known as PaulW2U [19:12] pleia2: they moved it to 22:00 I think [19:12] * elfy not involved [19:13] doh [19:13] it was due to slicky or jjfrv8 not being able to make it about now I believe - and it's those 2 that need to actually be here [19:13] bbl [19:14] * pleia2 nods [19:18] Does anyone know (off the top of their head) what the latest version of the nvidia driver is with 14.04-daily (today)? [20:30] pleia2, but you have a flexible employer, you can surely be around later as well ;) [20:34] knome, What time is the meeting tomorrow? [20:40] Noskcaj: normal time 19:00 UTC [20:41] ok, i should be there [20:41] you're confusing that with a docs one I think :) [20:41] yeah [20:41] catfish 1.0 should now be in ubuntu [21:59] evening, slickymaster [21:59] good evening jjfrv8 [21:59] knome, you around? [21:59] yep. [21:59] yes he is [21:59] #startmeeting Xubuntu documentation checkup meeting [21:59] Meeting started Wed Feb 5 22:00:00 2014 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [21:59] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [22:00] #chair slickymaster jjfrv8 pleia2 [22:00] Current chairs: jjfrv8 knome pleia2 slickymaster [22:00] o/ [22:00] who wants to start? [22:00] I think it would be better for you to open the hostilities knome, since you're more used to it [22:01] mkay [22:01] or you, jjfrv8 [22:01] #topic Quick run-through of the documentation blueprint [22:01] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-docs [22:02] so, the big things left to do are (looking as i type, will take some time): [22:02] well, the mugshot item is done [22:02] 1) "what's new" page/slide [22:02] 2) menulibre docs [22:03] 3) copy some xfdesktop docs over [22:03] 4) update tour/about pages [22:03] 5) update installer slideshow [22:03] and finally, [22:03] 6) update documentation regarding the default xubuntu desktop layout/indicator stuff [22:04] did i miss something? [22:04] I think not [22:04] well 7) translations for docs [22:04] and there's also the bzr, and the code of conduct issues [22:05] but that's part od the developer documentation [22:05] right, the developer docs [22:05] s/od/of [22:05] i'm not sure if that's been something people have generally been excited about [22:05] and from my POV, it's on the bottom of the list [22:05] understandably [22:05] that was kind of my idea but since then I see where a lot of that stuff already exists [22:06] jjfrv8, yeah, it's probably just scattered all over the place [22:07] well, regarding the points knome enumerate, I'm planning on starting to work on porting the xfdesktop over to docbook [22:07] and afterwards, start to deal with the MenuLibre -docs [22:07] i consider 5, 6 and 7 blocked [22:07] (at least) [22:07] the rest we can basically work on right now [22:08] actually, I thought that MenuLibre was something that me and jjfrv8 could do together, similar to what we did with parole and xfdesktop [22:08] can we talk about the "what's new" stuff? [22:08] most definitely [22:08] #topic What's new? [22:08] jjfrv8, ^^ [22:08] ups [22:09] (you can do #topic's as well) [22:09] where do you think the subject should go in the offline docs? new chapter? [22:09] http://pad.ubuntu.com/8xtc6oWrkg [22:10] tell me if i said something else before, but i don't know if the docs are the best place for it [22:10] (i'm not opposed to that idea either though) [22:10] maybe not, can't remember [22:10] maybe website + installer slideshow? [22:11] okay [22:11] we probably want that to be quite vibrant, and the docs aren't exactly that... [22:11] I think that would be preferable [22:11] yeah, cause it pretty much demands screenshots [22:11] yep, and marketing-like content [22:12] agree, it kind of seems logical to be in the installer rather than in the -docs [22:13] and the website [22:14] hmm, there's surely some logs about it somewhere, but i'm quite certain we thought it's best to mostly cover the LTS->LTS transition [22:16] yes, definitely LTS->LTS [22:16] do we have anything other new than is mentioned on the pad? [22:16] just a sec [22:17] back again, sorry [22:18] didn't even notice you were away ;) [22:19] pleia2, any thoughts? [22:19] I don't seem to recall any other new stuff, other then what you already mentioned [22:19] ok, good [22:20] should we start working with it? [22:20] not really [22:20] apart from the integrated desktop stuff, that is [22:20] you said slideshow was blocked but I think we could start on it [22:20] i'm thinking that because we can most probably use the same material in that [22:21] we probably want a bigger transition than just "update the same old slides" [22:21] so if we have the "what's new" stuff ready, it's really easy to pick new stuff from there [22:21] and same with that, we can't really write about the new, better integrated desktop yet [22:21] do you mean a complete revamp of the entire slideshow? [22:21] because things aren't in place :/ [22:22] slickymaster, i've done a small visual facelift for it (to match with the website), and yeah, maybe the content is better rewritten as well [22:22] we've had the same slides for ages [22:22] and they aren't communicating "14.04 is full of new wonderful features" [22:22] well, it does goes back in the day :P [22:22] yeaps [22:23] so, i would actually try to postpone that as far as possible [22:23] it's good to keep in mind we have to do it... but other things seem more important now [22:23] actually, the tour page is kind of blocked for the same reason [22:23] the about page is ready to be worked on [22:23] (on the website) [22:24] well, ideally I'll have xfdesktop ported to docbook format, by the end of the weekend [22:24] so it seems the things we can do now is the xfdesktop and menulibre docs [22:24] jjfrv8, did you get to see what I wrote about the MenuLibre -docs? [22:24] not yet. I just tried it today for the first time. Baffled, like elfy [22:25] didn't have v 2.0, though [22:25] ah, 2.0 is something completely different [22:25] it's a full rewrite [22:25] how to get it. I don't know from tar's [22:25] as with the testcase, i think we should cover the most basic functions [22:26] jjfrv8, my idea is that MenuLibre was something that you and me could do together, similar to what we did with parole and xfdesktop [22:26] I'm good with that. [22:26] jjfrv8, 2.x is in trusty [22:26] once we overcome the initial barriers [22:27] then I must have overwritten it :( [22:27] yes, I've installed it today in my trusty box [22:27] bluesabre, already has a namespace ready for them: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=menulibre-docs [22:28] slickymaster, unrelated note: that site says "staging site", check with bluesabre if he's ok with us linking there from the docs, or if he's planning to move the docs [22:30]