Riddell | shadeslayer: slideshow uploaded | 00:11 |
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ahoneybun | Riddell, in case you did not see it on the mailing list someone has packaged the Userbase/Kubuntu pages into a tar file but they are html | 00:18 |
Riddell | html is good | 00:19 |
Riddell | but it should be automated to be of much use | 00:19 |
ahoneybun | how will we get that into a package for kubuntu-docs | 00:19 |
Riddell | so we can put it on the web server and in the package | 00:19 |
ahoneybun | well it kinda is | 00:19 |
ahoneybun | http://userbase.kde.org/How_To_Convert_a_UserBase_Manual_to_Docbook | 00:20 |
ahoneybun | so if it is html we could put it on the site now | 00:21 |
Riddell | ahoneybun: should we keep 13.10 docs there or just overwrite them? | 00:28 |
* Riddell reboots to install 12.04.4 candidates | 00:29 | |
ahoneybun | Riddell, back them up then overwrite | 00:33 |
* ahoneybun is going to see if boot option "nomodeset" will let him install Kubuntu over his Ubuntu installation | 00:42 | |
ahoneybun | Riddell, plus the 13.10 docs are still on the wik | 00:43 |
ahoneybun | wiki | 00:43 |
valorie | if they are in the wrong format, please write directly to Yuri and he will redo | 00:44 |
valorie | no point doing two conversions if we don't have to | 00:44 |
ahoneybun | valorie, well my liveusb with kubuntu 13.10 is ready | 00:47 |
ahoneybun | wish me luck with installing it lol | 00:48 |
valorie | yay! | 00:48 |
valorie | best of luck | 00:48 |
ahoneybun | yea | 00:48 |
valorie | off to dinner | 00:48 |
ahoneybun | valorie: well nomodeset got the installer to start and it is installing at this current moment | 00:54 |
ahoneybun | seems Kubuntu 13.10 installed fine | 01:17 |
ahoneybun | and it detected my monitor just fine | 01:35 |
ahoneybun | hello | 02:18 |
ahoneybun | and I'm running Kubuntu | 02:18 |
valorie | sorry ahoneybun, I forgot I had a PFLAG meeting tonight | 06:00 |
apachelogger | valorie: what does one talk about at a PFLAG meeting? | 07:57 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: oh btw, whatever editor you use, it has non-policy compliant indenting | 07:58 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: ./Module.cpp: ki18n("((Name))"), | 08:00 |
valorie | we have a small group, very friendly -- we talk about what is going on in our lives, and equality issues in the country, around the world, etc. | 08:01 |
valorie | really fascinating discussion tonight, AND someone brought really good dip and crackers | 08:01 |
valorie | there is education and advocacy as well, but not at our monthly meets | 08:02 |
apachelogger | uh, free food, my, that is fancy ^^ | 08:03 |
valorie | Russia needs more pflag | 08:03 |
valorie | :-) | 08:03 |
apachelogger | Russia... | 08:03 |
valorie | + Pussy Riot | 08:03 |
apachelogger | do not question mother russia | 08:03 |
valorie | mother russia is fine | 08:04 |
valorie | I question her half-naked Putin-meister | 08:04 |
apachelogger | from what I understand it's not just lord Putin, but also his friends etc. | 08:05 |
apachelogger | his friends who interestingly enoug end up being important people in important cities | 08:05 |
valorie | and amazingly, make loads of money | 08:05 |
valorie | funny how that happens | 08:06 |
apachelogger | so magic. | 08:06 |
valorie | they killed off all the jews; now all the problems are caused by gays | 08:06 |
apachelogger | valorie: I think GWBush could help | 08:10 |
valorie | maybe; I'd gladly ship him over there to see | 08:10 |
valorie | one way ticket | 08:10 |
apachelogger | mh | 08:11 |
apachelogger | he's quite a role model don't you know | 08:12 |
apachelogger | how you can pull that much crap and not end up jumping off a bridge because everyone at the UN made fun of you, is beyond me :P | 08:12 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: dpkg-gencontrol: warning: Depends field of package kubuntu-driver-manager-dbg: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends} | 08:13 |
valorie | we'd have to drag him kicking and screaming, because he would probably be hauled up on war crimes charges | 08:13 |
valorie | he and Cheny | 08:13 |
valorie | Cheney | 08:13 |
apachelogger | valorie: that dick? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney_hunting_incident | 08:16 |
apachelogger | ^ how one does not end up in a jail cell for that is also not clear to me FWIW | 08:17 |
apachelogger | valorie: your country is very weird :P | 08:17 |
valorie | so true; why do you think I'm always eager to visit saner regions? | 08:19 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: http://i.imgur.com/fsQEJOS.png | 08:19 |
apachelogger | valorie: ah, it all makes sense now :) | 08:19 |
* apachelogger is puzzled by code architectures today | 08:21 | |
apachelogger | was looking at some python earlier and failed to compute it entirely and now I am looking at C++ and having the same experience | 08:21 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: there are many strings that don't use i18nc | 08:24 |
apachelogger | yet some do | 08:24 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: m_manager->setTimeout(60000); use async communication? | 08:28 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: ./src/drivermanagerdbustypes.h: LGPL (v2 or later) | 08:30 |
apachelogger | complete license copy missing it appears | 08:31 |
apachelogger | can't upload | 08:31 |
apachelogger | http://i.imgur.com/gaKzHEf.png | 08:33 |
apachelogger | that doesn't compute btw | 08:33 |
apachelogger | oh my | 08:39 |
apachelogger | the ubuntu-drivers-common somehow is broken and doesn't manage to detect stuff on my system | 08:39 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: kcm needs mock data support | 08:40 |
ghostcube | muon works again | 09:49 |
apachelogger | go muon go | 10:06 |
apachelogger | Riddell: the one-page policy gets messy already and I am not even done :'< | 10:08 |
adarmalik | hey folks, i have a problem with kde 4.12 on kubuntu 12.04. after 4.12 was rolled out in the backports repo my window decoration is gone | 10:13 |
adarmalik | also kwin seems to be missing | 10:13 |
adarmalik | only kwinactive is there | 10:13 |
apachelogger | probably was removed by the upgrade | 10:15 |
jussi | probably a reinstall of kubuntu-desktop will fix stuff... | 10:15 |
adarmalik | hmm, ok | 10:16 |
adarmalik | I'll try | 10:16 |
adarmalik | remove and install? | 10:16 |
adarmalik | or is there some way to do it in one step? | 10:16 |
jussi | apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop | 10:16 |
adarmalik | thanks :) I'll try | 10:17 |
* apachelogger hates moinmoin so much :@ | 10:18 | |
apachelogger | jussi: that won't cause a new dep resolution of recommends | 10:19 |
jussi | apachelogger: it wont? | 10:19 |
apachelogger | nope | 10:19 |
apachelogger | that will litterally just download the deb and install it | 10:19 |
jussi | oh... ball in your court then... | 10:19 |
apachelogger | since it's already installed apt will not resolve package relationships | 10:19 |
apachelogger | the correct way is sudo apt-get purge kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | 10:20 |
* apachelogger just lost 15 minutes of work thanks to moinmoin | 10:20 | |
apachelogger | so lovely | 10:20 |
adarmalik | jussi: thank you so much :) it worked | 10:22 |
jussi | adarmalik: glad it worked | 10:23 |
apachelogger | ^ presumably it wasn't installed at all? | 10:24 |
jussi | apachelogger: that would be what I am guessing... | 10:25 |
apachelogger | Depends: alsa-base, alsa-utils, anacron, ark, audiocd-kio, bc, ca-certificates, dolphin, fonts-dejavu-core, fonts-freefont-ttf, foomatic-db-compressed-ppds, genisoimage, ghostscript-x, inputattach, kde-window-manager, kde-workspace, kde-zeroconf, kdepasswd, khelpcenter4, klipper, kmix, konsole, ksnapshot, ksysguard, libpam-systemd, libsasl2-modules, libxp6, lightdm-kde-greeter, okular, openprinting-ppds, plasma-desktop, plasma-netbook, pm-utils | 10:27 |
apachelogger | , printer-driver-pnm2ppa, rfkill, software-properties-kde, systemsettings, ubuntu-drivers-common, ubuntu-extras-keyring, unzip, wireless-tools, wpasupplicant, xdg-user-dirs, xkb-data, xorg, zip | 10:27 |
apachelogger | must have been, kde-window-manager is a dependency ^^ | 10:27 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: dafuq @ your screenshot | 10:33 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: what does ubuntu-drivers list say | 10:33 |
apachelogger | empty | 10:34 |
shadeslayer | <apachelogger> shadeslayer: m_manager->setTimeout(60000); use async communication? < I am, the python scripts more than 25 seconds to reply hence the dbus call times out | 10:34 |
apachelogger | and you do not remove the qlabel you create for the 'yo no devices' | 10:34 |
apachelogger | although I'll argue that you should not need to | 10:34 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: yeah so issue in ubuntu-drivers-common then | 10:34 |
apachelogger | because it ultimately should be a DriverWidget | 10:34 |
shadeslayer | plz be filing bugs | 10:34 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: no, the issue is in you're not removing widgets that you add | 10:34 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: <apachelogger> shadeslayer: m_manager->setTimeout(60000); use async communication? < I am, the python scripts more than 25 seconds to reply hence the dbus call times out <- use async communication? | 10:35 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: hm, so you mean emit signals from the python script? | 10:37 |
apachelogger | yep | 10:37 |
shadeslayer | and then connect to those signals over dbus? | 10:37 |
apachelogger | that's usually how you are supposed to do dbus anyway | 10:37 |
shadeslayer | I see | 10:37 |
apachelogger | because the timeout is completel arbitrary | 10:37 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: first fix license business and create new package though | 10:38 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: possibly also the qlabel thing, though from what I have seen you'll need to refactor DriverWidget business a bit for that | 10:38 |
apachelogger | so perhaps leave that out for now | 10:38 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: i18nc would be good though | 10:39 |
shadeslayer | i18nc everywhere? | 10:39 |
apachelogger | sure | 10:42 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: oh oh , and mind that ((NAME)) thing | 10:46 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: yep reading and fixing things | 10:47 |
BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 10:50 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: as for indenting, I'm using KDevelop | 10:50 |
dp_ | hi, how can i help. | 10:55 |
dp_ | hi, how can i help. | 10:55 |
dp_ | is there any task related to perl. | 10:58 |
shadeslayer | <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kcm needs mock data support | 10:59 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: ^^ how do you mean? | 10:59 |
shadeslayer | as in tests for the KCM? | 10:59 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: yeah well, right now you can only test it manually if you have proprietary drivers available (and ubuntu-drivers-common detects that at all...) | 11:05 |
apachelogger | which is bad so I think some simple mock data would be handy where the kcm simply bypassed the dbus thing and showed dummy data | 11:06 |
apachelogger | and on that note ... does ubuntu-drivers-common use aptdaemon still because I just wondered how it even knows what packages could possibly be installed? | 11:06 |
apachelogger | dp_: I am afraid I am not sure what you mean | 11:07 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/UbuntuDrivers/PackageKit.py: import aptdaemon.pkenums as enums | 11:12 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: so yeah | 11:13 |
shadeslayer | still uses aptdaemon | 11:13 |
ghostcube | apachelogger: but you cant tell muon to purge packages ? its not possible or did i didnt see a field to tick | 11:13 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: do we have a timeline when that changes | 11:13 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: not a clue, I treat the backend as a blackbox | 11:13 |
shadeslayer | you'll have to ask the maintainer | 11:14 |
apachelogger | ehm | 11:15 |
apachelogger | the reason why this entire gui task came to be because we need to get rid of aptdaemon | 11:15 |
apachelogger | .... | 11:15 |
apachelogger | ghostcube: http://i.imgur.com/I44hXdK.png | 11:15 |
shadeslayer | no, the entire gui task came because we need to get rid of jockey | 11:15 |
shadeslayer | and with it another dep of python2 | 11:16 |
shadeslayer | because jockey is unsupported now | 11:16 |
ghostcube | apachelogger: ehm ok.... thx :D ... need new glasses | 11:18 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: ok | 11:18 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: so who's solving the aptdaemon thing then? | 11:18 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: I can have a look at it later todau | 11:19 |
shadeslayer | *today | 11:19 |
apachelogger | fair enough | 11:19 |
Riddell | release team decision seems to be to relase 12.04.4 alternate images despite encryption not working (bug 1276739) and release not it | 11:35 |
ubottu | bug 1276739 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "partman-crypto uses xts by default, yet xts.ko kernel module is not present in 3.2 (original-point-zero stack) crypto-modules-udeb" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1276739 | 11:35 |
* Riddell does more testing | 11:35 | |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: got a moment? | 11:56 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: yuz | 11:57 |
apachelogger | well, actually I am going to get coffee, but I shall reply when I am back :P | 11:58 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: for some reason bustle says my signal has data, but my C++ side says : kcmshell(14382) Module::driverDictFinished: DBus data corrupted "Unexpected reply signature: got "", expected "a{sa{sv}}"" | 11:58 |
apachelogger | no clue what bustle is ^^ | 12:01 |
shadeslayer | !info bustle | 12:01 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: push | 12:01 |
apachelogger | also | 12:02 |
ubottu | bustle (source: bustle): D-Bus activity visualiser. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.2-1 (saucy), package size 2140 kB, installed size 9266 kB | 12:02 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: fancy dbus thing to see dbus messages | 12:02 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: first release | 12:02 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: can't release a broken kcm | 12:02 |
shadeslayer | will release right after I fix this | 12:02 |
apachelogger | didn't it work before? Oo | 12:02 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: it did, but I broken it by trying to make it async | 12:02 |
shadeslayer | let's fix async'ness and release | 12:02 |
apachelogger | :@ | 12:02 |
apachelogger | that's not what I asked for :'< | 12:02 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: git stash, prep release, then async please | 12:03 |
apachelogger | the timeout business does not block initial upload | 12:03 |
shadeslayer | ok | 12:03 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kubuntu-driver-manager/kubuntu-driver-manager_14.04ubuntu1.dsc | 12:18 |
BluesKaj | Hey gents, is Kubuntu looking at adopting systemd in the near future , or is this just a rumour? | 12:19 |
shadeslayer | premature rumour at the momemt | 12:20 |
shadeslayer | we'll go with whatever upstream KDE decides | 12:20 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: still no COPYING.lib it seems | 12:20 |
shadeslayer | argh | 12:20 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: and on a completely unrelated note, what is the point of the keepalive dbus method? | 12:21 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: I thought I'd use the API at some point, but no use has cropped up so far | 12:21 |
apachelogger | on that note, I think there's a pice missing of the timer business we discussed a while ago, more on that later | 12:21 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: copyright has problems IMO | 12:21 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: yep, fixing | 12:22 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: says the stuff is gpl2, but it's gpl2 or 3 or whatever suites kde | 12:22 |
apachelogger | (I always write gpl2 or gpl3) | 12:22 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: right, what needs to be done there? | 12:22 |
shadeslayer | list both? | 12:22 |
apachelogger | see other software? :P | 12:22 |
apachelogger | about-distro for example | 12:22 |
apachelogger | generall you can just write anything into the License field I think | 12:23 |
apachelogger | but you must provide the correct short license | 12:23 |
apachelogger | currently you have a plain gpl2+ which is not correct | 12:23 |
apachelogger | Driver manager for Kubuntu that uses the ubuntu-drivers-common API | 12:23 |
apachelogger | ^^ | 12:23 |
shadeslayer | gotcha | 12:23 |
apachelogger | that description is as useful as a cooling unit in the arctic as phonon-vlc would put it ^^ | 12:24 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: I don't hear a better solution there | 12:24 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: leave it for now | 12:24 |
apachelogger | or maybe I can throw something together | 12:25 |
apachelogger | actually | 12:25 |
apachelogger | what's jockey say | 12:25 |
apachelogger | Jockey provides a user interface for configuring third-party drivers, | 12:25 |
apachelogger | such as the Nvidia and ATI fglrx X.org and various Wireless LAN | 12:25 |
apachelogger | kernel modules. | 12:25 |
apachelogger | there you have a description good sir | 12:25 |
apachelogger | alas, still a bit technicy, but I guess the entire thing is just that | 12:25 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/pd7ec98de | 12:28 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: fine with that? | 12:28 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: quick | 12:29 |
shadeslayer | everyone wants to leave for lunch | 12:29 |
BluesKaj | eating is important :) | 12:30 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: uploaded, same location | 12:31 |
* BluesKaj stares at the bowl of bran buds | 12:31 | |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: why not license the packaging as 2,3,ev? | 12:51 |
apachelogger | /home/me/tmp/b/kubuntu-driver-manager-14.04ubuntu1/src/Module.cpp:241:6: warning: unused parameter ‘status’ [-Wunused-parameter] | 12:52 |
apachelogger | void Module::finished(QApt::ExitStatus status) | 12:52 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: ^ btw | 12:52 |
apachelogger | Uploading kubuntu-driver-manager_14.04ubuntu1_source.changes: done. | 12:53 |
apachelogger | Successfully uploaded packages. | 12:53 |
apachelogger | Riddell, ScottK: kubuntu-driver-manager landing in source NEW soon | 12:54 |
Riddell | apachelogger: awooga | 12:55 |
Riddell | queuebot: awooga | 12:55 |
Riddell | shadeslayer: going to blog? | 12:55 |
apachelogger | that was the idea anyway | 12:56 |
apachelogger | Riddell: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Policies#General_Viability_.28.28TBD.29.29 current set of criteria for deciding whether or not to keep a package in the archive | 12:56 |
apachelogger | or rather, when to absolutely always remove it when upstream goes AWOL | 12:56 |
* apachelogger squints a bit | 13:33 | |
* Riddell tries mythbuntu for the first time, interesting but plasma mc is cooler :) | 13:34 | |
apachelogger | ohohoh | 13:39 |
apachelogger | Riddell: btw, is calligra done yet? | 13:39 |
Riddell | apachelogger: yes, are you waiting on it? | 13:40 |
apachelogger | Riddell: just wondering if kubuntu-meta is unblocked yet | 13:40 |
apachelogger | otherwise we'll have to twiddle the seeds IIRC | 13:40 |
Riddell | hmm, still in -proposed | 13:40 |
* Riddell looks | 13:40 | |
apachelogger | daily is still overszied my syncer cron reported | 13:41 |
Riddell | hmm, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt only talks about "arm64: kubuntu-full" | 13:41 |
Riddell | nothing much else useful | 13:41 |
Riddell | "out of date on arm64: libtelepathy-qt4-2, libtelepathy-qt4-dbg, libtelepathy-qt4-dev, libtelepathy-qt4-farstream2 (from 0.9.3-0ubuntu7) " | 13:42 |
Riddell | hmm | 13:42 |
Riddell | I guess 4.12.1 still has lots of fallout | 13:43 |
Riddell | like okular not compiling on arm64 | 13:43 |
apachelogger | :'< | 13:43 |
Riddell | shadeslayer: are you monitoring that stuff? | 13:43 |
Riddell | much blue and red http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html | 13:44 |
apachelogger | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6885262/ | 13:45 |
apachelogger | ... | 13:45 |
ghostcube_ | anyone an idea why my kbuildsycoca4 isnt startet automaticly o.O | 13:46 |
Riddell | "Error synchronizing after initial wipe" well there's no need to be rude | 13:46 |
Riddell | ghostcube_: no but I suspect mine isn't either so would be good to find out | 13:47 |
apachelogger | bogus mtimes? | 13:47 |
apachelogger | actually I think it usually takes a bit until it runs | 13:48 |
* apachelogger runs install test | 13:56 | |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: firefox logo looks lovely | 13:57 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: awesome | 14:04 |
* shadeslayer can only hope that was not sarcasm | 14:05 | |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: yay, more async'ness | 14:13 |
apachelogger | kubotu: go away | 14:16 |
apachelogger | kubotu: hi | 14:16 |
kubotu | goodafternoon, apachelogger | 14:17 |
apachelogger | well this is unfortunate | 14:18 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: I don't have a single device that ubuntu-drivers-common will detect to require proprietary drivers | 14:18 |
apachelogger | and I think it may even be sort of right | 14:18 |
shadeslayer | heh | 14:19 |
apachelogger | life's weird like that | 14:19 |
apachelogger | Compiled for arch: ::Vc::AVXImpl | 14:19 |
apachelogger | Features supported: | 14:19 |
shadeslayer | FOSS is too good | 14:19 |
apachelogger | where's that output coming from | 14:19 |
shadeslayer | everything works | 14:19 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: I get that too :/ | 14:19 |
shadeslayer | kdelibs I think | 14:19 |
apachelogger | every app | 14:19 |
shadeslayer | or maybe not ... I didn't have that post upgrading to ninjas | 14:20 |
apachelogger | to the grepcave! | 14:20 |
apachelogger | Binary file ./libpigmentcms.so.13.0.0 matches | 14:20 |
shadeslayer | why are calligra-libs being loaded 0.o | 14:21 |
apachelogger | me@novalis:/usr/lib$ grep -r pig /proc/`pidof kcmshell4`/maps | 14:22 |
apachelogger | 7f9480ff2000-7f9481140000 r-xp 00000000 00:11 12372 /usr/lib/libpigmentcms.so.13.0.0 | 14:22 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: that's from calligra? | 14:22 |
shadeslayer | calligra-libs: /usr/lib/libpigmentcms.so.12 | 14:22 |
apachelogger | fancy | 14:22 |
* apachelogger blames Riddell | 14:22 | |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: so, regarding aptdaemon | 14:23 |
shadeslayer | we want it gone? | 14:23 |
apachelogger | ldd | 14:23 |
apachelogger | err | 14:23 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: yes | 14:23 |
apachelogger | what kind of question is that :O | 14:23 |
shadeslayer | a "Making sure that is what apachelogger wants" | 14:23 |
apachelogger | libbasicflakes.so.13.0.0: | 14:23 |
apachelogger | libflake.so.13.0.0: | 14:23 |
apachelogger | libkexidatatable.so.13.0.0: | 14:23 |
apachelogger | whole bunch of kexi actually | 14:24 |
apachelogger | libkformdesigner.so.13.0.0: | 14:24 |
shadeslayer | 0.o | 14:24 |
apachelogger | libkformula.so.13.0.0: | 14:24 |
shadeslayer | why are those being loaded | 14:24 |
apachelogger | isn't that all calligra nonesnse? | 14:24 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: they are not | 14:25 |
apachelogger | they are linking pigments | 14:25 |
shadeslayer | most certainly looks like it | 14:25 |
apachelogger | every flipping calligra lib links against that thing | 14:25 |
apachelogger | which in itself seems peculiar | 14:25 |
apachelogger | but oh well | 14:25 |
apachelogger | all kritas loaded by kcmshell | 14:26 |
apachelogger | kexi is not though | 14:26 |
apachelogger | actually | 14:26 |
apachelogger | you know, laptop screens are really very tiny ^^ | 14:27 |
apachelogger | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6885457/ | 14:27 |
apachelogger | just about everything kexi is loaded | 14:27 |
apachelogger | eh, everything calligra I meant | 14:27 |
apachelogger | except for kexi ^^ | 14:27 |
=== ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube | ||
apachelogger | the interesting thing about this is that once you remove calligra-libs it simply doesn't load anything anymore | 14:29 |
apachelogger | so it's supposedly a plugin that drags all the nonsense in | 14:29 |
shadeslayer | o_o | 14:29 |
apachelogger | and upgrade for calligra available | 14:30 |
apachelogger | you know | 14:30 |
apachelogger | krita is really very big | 14:30 |
apachelogger | plus I am not sure it should be on the ISO | 14:30 |
apachelogger | Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe krita-data all 1:2.7.91-0ubuntu5 [15,7 MB] | 14:30 |
apachelogger | and that's supposedly xz -9 compressed | 14:30 |
apachelogger | lol | 14:31 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: is your system completely up-to-date? | 14:31 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: so aptdaemon is Recommended because Ubuntu Drivers offers the functionality of asking packagekit to figure out what package can provide a driver for <modalias> | 14:31 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: yep | 14:31 |
* apachelogger doesn't get it to load the calligra libs anymore ^^ | 14:32 | |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: what magic vodoo did you do | 14:32 |
apachelogger | purge calligra-libs, install calligra-libs | 14:33 |
shadeslayer | wut | 14:33 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: check if you are on 2.7.91 | 14:33 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: http://pastebin.kde.org/pll3zaxrj | 14:34 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: right | 14:34 |
apachelogger | oh | 14:34 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: I installed ubuntu5 now | 14:34 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: purging / installing doesn't fix it | 14:34 |
shadeslayer | ah | 14:34 |
shadeslayer | I don't have that | 14:35 |
apachelogger | use archive.ubuntu | 14:35 |
apachelogger | mirrors suck donkey balls | 14:35 |
apachelogger | * Temporarily disable krita image plugins to prevent global | 14:35 |
apachelogger | debugging output | 14:35 |
apachelogger | there, jr fixed it ^^ | 14:35 |
apachelogger | crime solved | 14:35 |
* apachelogger puts away the pipe | 14:35 | |
ghostcube | damn latest update broke the guest additions in virtual box | 14:36 |
ghostcube | no way to get the grafics adapter working | 14:36 |
apachelogger | real men use KVM | 14:36 |
* ghostcube hands apachelogger a cookie and a cup of tea | 14:36 | |
ghostcube | :P | 14:36 |
Riddell | apachelogger: oh still random debug output from calligra? | 14:37 |
apachelogger | Riddell: no | 14:37 |
apachelogger | Riddell: daily install had ubuntu4, so I went investigating and end up with ubuntu5 which solves the problem | 14:38 |
* apachelogger just realized that he never reviewed printing l10n because he has no printer | 14:39 | |
apachelogger | very much danger | 14:39 |
ghostcube | wah.... warning uknown version of the xwindow system installed not installing xwindow system drivers | 14:41 |
ghostcube | urgs | 14:41 |
apachelogger | ^^ | 14:42 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: do you think we can drop python2.7 from the image too | 14:43 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: depends on the transition on the ubuntu side IIRC | 14:44 |
apachelogger | hplip-data pulled in python2 for some reason IIRC | 14:44 |
Riddell | shadeslayer: does themeeditor have to be a new package? | 14:44 |
shadeslayer | mmmm | 14:44 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: ask apachelogger | 14:44 |
Riddell | apachelogger: ↑ | 14:45 |
shadeslayer | he did that change | 14:45 |
apachelogger | Riddell: wutwut, it should be gone | 14:45 |
apachelogger | Riddell: kdepim-themeeditors is new | 14:46 |
apachelogger | which picks up the previous mailthemeeditor (or somesuch) and merges in the new contactthemeeditor | 14:46 |
apachelogger | oh, I guess you mean that one ^^ | 14:46 |
apachelogger | Riddell: yeah that is very much supposed to be new | 14:46 |
* shadeslayer looks at trello | 14:47 | |
* apachelogger throws away tiny laptop screen again | 14:47 | |
Riddell | apachelogger: can't it be part of kmail or something? | 14:47 |
apachelogger | Riddell: no | 14:47 |
Riddell | shadeslayer: fix 4.12.2 packages? http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html | 14:47 |
apachelogger | they are independent applications with their own desktop file | 14:47 |
apachelogger | and they are utterly useless to normal people | 14:47 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: can you poke relevant people for https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/intltool/add-qtdesigner-support/+merge/145112 | 14:48 |
apachelogger | so we don't want it on the seed and that's why they can't be in the kmail package | 14:48 |
Riddell | apachelogger: ok approved! | 14:48 |
apachelogger | thanks | 14:48 |
Riddell | shadeslayer: ooh interesting | 14:48 |
apachelogger | talking about approvery | 14:48 |
apachelogger | Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Policies#Handlers is that what you meant in your latest comment on the policies card? | 14:49 |
apachelogger | (didn't really see that fit in with team descriptions policy, alas also not quite as much a policy on its own, more of a guide really) | 14:49 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: I hate your excel sheet with column descriptions at the bottom | 14:50 |
shadeslayer | plz be fixing | 14:50 |
Riddell | apachelogger: looks good | 14:51 |
shadeslayer | any objections on replacing kde-config-touchpad ( synaptiks ) with kde-touchpad? | 14:56 |
Riddell | shadeslayer: what's the advantage (just to remind myself) | 15:00 |
Riddell | ? | 15:00 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: move away from a Python2 based synaptiks | 15:00 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: needs refreshing anyway | 15:02 |
* apachelogger afk walking dog | 15:03 | |
shadeslayer | you have a dog? :P | 15:03 |
Riddell | shadeslayer: go for it | 15:04 |
shadeslayer | done | 15:04 |
Riddell | -meta uploaded? | 15:04 |
shadeslayer | just pushed branch | 15:05 |
shadeslayer | ohhh | 15:06 |
shadeslayer | I get to upload 1.300 | 15:06 |
* shadeslayer gets to make the "This is Sparta" joke | 15:06 | |
shadeslayer | Riddell: thoughts on https://trello.com/c/3iBYNZhF | 15:10 |
Riddell | 14:47 < Riddell> shadeslayer: fix 4.12.2 packages? http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html | 15:10 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: ?? | 15:11 |
Riddell | shadeslayer: well get everything installing and kubuntu-meta will transition | 15:12 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: half the things are still building | 15:12 |
shadeslayer | like kdepim | 15:12 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: and how does this relate to kppp? | 15:13 |
ghostcube | so xorg core 1.15 broke virtualbox | 15:13 |
ghostcube | -.- i hate it | 15:13 |
Riddell | shadeslayer: the link you gave me says "ensure kubuntu-meta migrates from proposed" | 15:13 |
shadeslayer | uh | 15:14 |
shadeslayer | weird | 15:14 |
Riddell | but on the "kick kppp of the ISO | 15:14 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: https://trello.com/c/zuKcOID8 | 15:14 |
Riddell | " one I'm all for it | 15:14 |
shadeslayer | yep | 15:14 |
shadeslayer | k, I'll do it | 15:15 |
Riddell | although worth asking if anyone uses it, for all I know some 3G dongle users use it | 15:15 |
Riddell | but I'd guess not, remove then notify mailing list and ask for forgiveness | 15:15 |
shadeslayer | yeah, asking for forgiveness is easier than asking for permission ;) | 15:16 |
shadeslayer | we can reintroduce it if people shout | 15:16 |
apachelogger | well | 15:18 |
apachelogger | we can reintroduce it if people step up and do the QC | 15:18 |
apachelogger | the main problem with it is that we have no means to make sure it works sensibly | 15:18 |
apachelogger | which means we can't have it on the ISO | 15:18 |
shadeslayer | *nod* | 15:21 |
apachelogger | I am so very tried :@ | 15:27 |
apachelogger | wellz | 15:27 |
apachelogger | Riddell: all policies written except for what LTS means support-wise | 15:27 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: is apol hiding or something? | 15:28 |
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shadeslayer | no, he's infront of me | 15:28 |
apachelogger | not here he isn't ^^ | 15:29 |
apachelogger | no matter tho | 15:29 |
* Riddell writes https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-12.04.4 | 15:29 | |
apachelogger | wrong url :P | 15:29 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: maybe he doesn't like Kubuntu and prefers the company of Arch users ;) | 15:30 |
apachelogger | how rude. | 15:30 |
apachelogger | OPINIONS I NEED OPINIONS | 15:34 |
apachelogger | http://i.imgur.com/bXtKd4E.png | 15:34 |
* apachelogger lagging like mad | 15:34 | |
apachelogger | what you are looking at is featuring a page based navigation in discover, rather than the current infinite bar | 15:34 |
apachelogger | good? bad? mad? | 15:35 |
Riddell | rather than scolling down forever? | 15:35 |
Riddell | isn't scolling down forever fashionable now? | 15:36 |
Riddell | phones do it a lot | 15:36 |
apachelogger | arguably one should only search ^^ | 15:37 |
apachelogger | scrolling down forever is hard to implement right in qml1 though | 15:37 |
apachelogger | i.e. it's hard to know what stuff is actually currently visible such that you only load that | 15:37 |
apachelogger | which is why currently when going to browse in a huge category discover will briefly lock up | 15:38 |
Riddell | makes send to do as you've done then | 15:39 |
apachelogger | (not my work) | 15:39 |
apachelogger | http://i.imgur.com/0E03rSY.png | 15:39 |
apachelogger | MOAR OPINIONS PLZ xD | 15:39 |
apachelogger | presented screenshot shows the applications view without tabs | 15:40 |
apachelogger | currently when there are reviews etc. you will have tabs that you can use, the proposed change would put it all onto the same page | 15:40 |
apachelogger | creating a more unified experience and preventing people from missing the tabs | 15:40 |
apachelogger | upon clicking more reviews: http://i.imgur.com/f2Qfslx.png | 15:41 |
Riddell | apachelogger: still need testing for qt 4.8.5 backports? | 16:13 |
ghostcube | grml... next update will ship xorg 1.15 stuff for vbox | 16:24 |
Riddell | ghostcube: how did you find that out? | 16:25 |
ghostcube | <klaus-vb> ghostcube: yes... next vbox update will ship stuff for xserver 1.15... finished 2 weeks ago i asked in vbox channel | 16:25 |
ghostcube | ;) | 16:25 |
Riddell | ah hah | 16:26 |
ghostcube | but the answer that follows was not very satisfactioning :D | 16:29 |
ghostcube | i asked when the update will be released... answer: when its ready... | 16:30 |
ghostcube | so... | 16:30 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: much fun, apt:// doesn't work in Ubuntu as well | 16:34 |
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apachelogger | Riddell: yes | 16:54 |
Riddell | apachelogger: broken | 16:54 |
apachelogger | how so? | 16:54 |
Riddell | apachelogger: see mailing list | 16:54 |
apachelogger | also I did notice font stuff at some point go kaboom | 16:54 |
apachelogger | not sure if that is a qt thing tho | 16:54 |
shadeslayer | mmm interesting | 16:54 |
apachelogger | Riddell: ah on 12.04 | 16:55 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: qtchooser was not present back then | 16:55 |
apachelogger | we might not want to push to 12.04 | 16:55 |
apachelogger | the qtchooser stuff is quite invasive | 16:55 |
shadeslayer | *nod* | 16:58 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: could try and just update whatever precise has to 4.8.5 | 16:59 |
apachelogger | shadeslayer: nah, sounds like a waste of time to be honest | 17:01 |
apachelogger | I am not sure it crashes on precise though | 17:01 |
apachelogger | because AFAIK the crash comes from an upstream "fix" that broke it and us reverting the fix which unbroke it and then upstream fixing the fix making our fix a breakage | 17:02 |
apachelogger | so perhaps precise doesn't even have the issue what with being 2 years old and maybe having a qt from the state where upstream's fix broke stuff and we repaired it | 17:02 |
ghostcube | o.O | 17:03 |
lordievader | Good evening. | 17:03 |
shadeslayer | i see | 17:03 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: however surely 4.8.5 has a bunch of fixes | 17:03 |
shadeslayer | compared to what precise has | 17:04 |
apachelogger | yeah, but we are preping a new LTS which makes precise a very uninteresting target to invest time in | 17:04 |
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jussi | yay for very broken LO... :/ | 17:40 |
shadeslayer | jussi: got a moment? | 17:57 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: ping | 18:34 |
* ahoneybun got Kubuntu to work on his awesome notebook | 19:53 | |
lordievader | ahoneybun: \o/ | 19:54 |
ahoneybun | and it has 2 drives! | 19:54 |
ahoneybun | a ssd and a hdd | 19:54 |
ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: are you on? | 19:56 |
ahoneybun | lordievader: I have the / root installed on the 24gb ssd and the home and swap on a 1tb hdd | 19:56 |
lordievader | ahoneybun: How much ram do you got in there? | 19:57 |
ahoneybun | 8gbs | 19:57 |
lordievader | ahoneybun: No real need for swap then ;), but still usefull to have a few GB. | 19:58 |
ahoneybun | well with 1tb I did not really care | 19:58 |
lordievader | ahoneybun: I see your point. | 19:59 |
ahoneybun | lol I got a few hundred gbs to spare lol | 20:00 |
debfx | http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-12.04.4 says Access denied :( | 20:20 |
ahoneybun | debfx: might not be ready | 20:20 |
debfx | well the release announcement is out now | 20:21 |
ScottK | debfx: Fixing. | 21:04 |
ScottK | debfx: Should be all good now. Thanks for noticing. | 21:12 |
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Riddell | shadeslayer: you pinged? | 23:21 |
Riddell | "I have uploaded KF5 alpha 1, also known as 4.96.0, to the usual location" gosh | 23:29 |
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