[00:11] shadeslayer: slideshow uploaded [00:18] Riddell, in case you did not see it on the mailing list someone has packaged the Userbase/Kubuntu pages into a tar file but they are html [00:19] html is good [00:19] but it should be automated to be of much use [00:19] how will we get that into a package for kubuntu-docs [00:19] so we can put it on the web server and in the package [00:19] well it kinda is [00:20] http://userbase.kde.org/How_To_Convert_a_UserBase_Manual_to_Docbook [00:21] so if it is html we could put it on the site now [00:28] ahoneybun: should we keep 13.10 docs there or just overwrite them? [00:29] * Riddell reboots to install 12.04.4 candidates [00:33] Riddell, back them up then overwrite [00:42] * ahoneybun is going to see if boot option "nomodeset" will let him install Kubuntu over his Ubuntu installation [00:43] Riddell, plus the 13.10 docs are still on the wik [00:43] wiki [00:44] if they are in the wrong format, please write directly to Yuri and he will redo [00:44] no point doing two conversions if we don't have to [00:47] valorie, well my liveusb with kubuntu 13.10 is ready [00:48] wish me luck with installing it lol [00:48] yay! [00:48] best of luck [00:48] yea [00:48] off to dinner [00:54] valorie: well nomodeset got the installer to start and it is installing at this current moment [01:17] seems Kubuntu 13.10 installed fine [01:35] and it detected my monitor just fine [02:18] hello [02:18] and I'm running Kubuntu [06:00] sorry ahoneybun, I forgot I had a PFLAG meeting tonight [07:57] valorie: what does one talk about at a PFLAG meeting? [07:58] shadeslayer: oh btw, whatever editor you use, it has non-policy compliant indenting [08:00] shadeslayer: ./Module.cpp: ki18n("((Name))"), [08:01] we have a small group, very friendly -- we talk about what is going on in our lives, and equality issues in the country, around the world, etc. [08:01] really fascinating discussion tonight, AND someone brought really good dip and crackers [08:02] there is education and advocacy as well, but not at our monthly meets [08:03] uh, free food, my, that is fancy ^^ [08:03] Russia needs more pflag [08:03] :-) [08:03] Russia... [08:03] + Pussy Riot [08:03] do not question mother russia [08:04] mother russia is fine [08:04] I question her half-naked Putin-meister [08:05] from what I understand it's not just lord Putin, but also his friends etc. [08:05] his friends who interestingly enoug end up being important people in important cities [08:05] and amazingly, make loads of money [08:06] funny how that happens [08:06] so magic. [08:06] they killed off all the jews; now all the problems are caused by gays [08:10] valorie: I think GWBush could help [08:10] maybe; I'd gladly ship him over there to see [08:10] one way ticket [08:11] mh [08:12] he's quite a role model don't you know [08:12] how you can pull that much crap and not end up jumping off a bridge because everyone at the UN made fun of you, is beyond me :P [08:13] shadeslayer: dpkg-gencontrol: warning: Depends field of package kubuntu-driver-manager-dbg: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends} [08:13] we'd have to drag him kicking and screaming, because he would probably be hauled up on war crimes charges [08:13] he and Cheny [08:13] Cheney [08:16] valorie: that dick? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney_hunting_incident [08:17] ^ how one does not end up in a jail cell for that is also not clear to me FWIW [08:17] valorie: your country is very weird :P [08:19] so true; why do you think I'm always eager to visit saner regions? [08:19] shadeslayer: http://i.imgur.com/fsQEJOS.png [08:19] valorie: ah, it all makes sense now :) [08:21] * apachelogger is puzzled by code architectures today [08:21] was looking at some python earlier and failed to compute it entirely and now I am looking at C++ and having the same experience [08:24] shadeslayer: there are many strings that don't use i18nc [08:24] yet some do [08:28] shadeslayer: m_manager->setTimeout(60000); use async communication? [08:30] shadeslayer: ./src/drivermanagerdbustypes.h: LGPL (v2 or later) [08:31] complete license copy missing it appears [08:31] can't upload [08:33] http://i.imgur.com/gaKzHEf.png [08:33] that doesn't compute btw [08:39] oh my [08:39] the ubuntu-drivers-common somehow is broken and doesn't manage to detect stuff on my system [08:40] shadeslayer: kcm needs mock data support [09:49] muon works again [10:06] go muon go [10:08] Riddell: the one-page policy gets messy already and I am not even done :'< [10:13] hey folks, i have a problem with kde 4.12 on kubuntu 12.04. after 4.12 was rolled out in the backports repo my window decoration is gone [10:13] also kwin seems to be missing [10:13] only kwinactive is there [10:15] probably was removed by the upgrade [10:15] probably a reinstall of kubuntu-desktop will fix stuff... [10:16] hmm, ok [10:16] I'll try [10:16] remove and install? [10:16] or is there some way to do it in one step? [10:16] apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop [10:17] thanks :) I'll try [10:18] * apachelogger hates moinmoin so much :@ [10:19] jussi: that won't cause a new dep resolution of recommends [10:19] apachelogger: it wont? [10:19] nope [10:19] that will litterally just download the deb and install it [10:19] oh... ball in your court then... [10:19] since it's already installed apt will not resolve package relationships [10:20] the correct way is sudo apt-get purge kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [10:20] * apachelogger just lost 15 minutes of work thanks to moinmoin [10:20] so lovely [10:22] jussi: thank you so much :) it worked [10:23] adarmalik: glad it worked [10:24] ^ presumably it wasn't installed at all? [10:25] apachelogger: that would be what I am guessing... [10:27] Depends: alsa-base, alsa-utils, anacron, ark, audiocd-kio, bc, ca-certificates, dolphin, fonts-dejavu-core, fonts-freefont-ttf, foomatic-db-compressed-ppds, genisoimage, ghostscript-x, inputattach, kde-window-manager, kde-workspace, kde-zeroconf, kdepasswd, khelpcenter4, klipper, kmix, konsole, ksnapshot, ksysguard, libpam-systemd, libsasl2-modules, libxp6, lightdm-kde-greeter, okular, openprinting-ppds, plasma-desktop, plasma-netbook, pm-utils [10:27] , printer-driver-pnm2ppa, rfkill, software-properties-kde, systemsettings, ubuntu-drivers-common, ubuntu-extras-keyring, unzip, wireless-tools, wpasupplicant, xdg-user-dirs, xkb-data, xorg, zip [10:27] must have been, kde-window-manager is a dependency ^^ [10:33] apachelogger: dafuq @ your screenshot [10:33] apachelogger: what does ubuntu-drivers list say [10:34] empty [10:34] shadeslayer: m_manager->setTimeout(60000); use async communication? < I am, the python scripts more than 25 seconds to reply hence the dbus call times out [10:34] and you do not remove the qlabel you create for the 'yo no devices' [10:34] although I'll argue that you should not need to [10:34] apachelogger: yeah so issue in ubuntu-drivers-common then [10:34] because it ultimately should be a DriverWidget [10:34] plz be filing bugs [10:34] shadeslayer: no, the issue is in you're not removing widgets that you add [10:35] shadeslayer: shadeslayer: m_manager->setTimeout(60000); use async communication? < I am, the python scripts more than 25 seconds to reply hence the dbus call times out <- use async communication? [10:37] apachelogger: hm, so you mean emit signals from the python script? [10:37] yep [10:37] and then connect to those signals over dbus? [10:37] that's usually how you are supposed to do dbus anyway [10:37] I see [10:37] because the timeout is completel arbitrary [10:38] shadeslayer: first fix license business and create new package though [10:38] shadeslayer: possibly also the qlabel thing, though from what I have seen you'll need to refactor DriverWidget business a bit for that [10:38] so perhaps leave that out for now [10:39] shadeslayer: i18nc would be good though [10:39] i18nc everywhere? [10:42] sure [10:46] shadeslayer: oh oh , and mind that ((NAME)) thing [10:47] apachelogger: yep reading and fixing things [10:50] Hiyas all [10:50] apachelogger: as for indenting, I'm using KDevelop [10:55] hi, how can i help. [10:55] hi, how can i help. [10:58] is there any task related to perl. [10:59] shadeslayer: kcm needs mock data support [10:59] apachelogger: ^^ how do you mean? [10:59] as in tests for the KCM? [11:05] shadeslayer: yeah well, right now you can only test it manually if you have proprietary drivers available (and ubuntu-drivers-common detects that at all...) [11:06] which is bad so I think some simple mock data would be handy where the kcm simply bypassed the dbus thing and showed dummy data [11:06] and on that note ... does ubuntu-drivers-common use aptdaemon still because I just wondered how it even knows what packages could possibly be installed? [11:07] dp_: I am afraid I am not sure what you mean [11:12] apachelogger: /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/UbuntuDrivers/PackageKit.py: import aptdaemon.pkenums as enums [11:13] apachelogger: so yeah [11:13] still uses aptdaemon [11:13] apachelogger: but you cant tell muon to purge packages ? its not possible or did i didnt see a field to tick [11:13] shadeslayer: do we have a timeline when that changes [11:13] apachelogger: not a clue, I treat the backend as a blackbox [11:14] you'll have to ask the maintainer [11:15] ehm [11:15] the reason why this entire gui task came to be because we need to get rid of aptdaemon [11:15] .... [11:15] ghostcube: http://i.imgur.com/I44hXdK.png [11:15] no, the entire gui task came because we need to get rid of jockey [11:16] and with it another dep of python2 [11:16] because jockey is unsupported now [11:18] apachelogger: ehm ok.... thx :D ... need new glasses [11:18] shadeslayer: ok [11:18] shadeslayer: so who's solving the aptdaemon thing then? [11:19] apachelogger: I can have a look at it later todau [11:19] *today [11:19] fair enough [11:35] release team decision seems to be to relase 12.04.4 alternate images despite encryption not working (bug 1276739) and release not it [11:35] bug 1276739 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "partman-crypto uses xts by default, yet xts.ko kernel module is not present in 3.2 (original-point-zero stack) crypto-modules-udeb" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1276739 [11:35] * Riddell does more testing [11:56] apachelogger: got a moment? [11:57] shadeslayer: yuz [11:58] well, actually I am going to get coffee, but I shall reply when I am back :P [11:58] apachelogger: for some reason bustle says my signal has data, but my C++ side says : kcmshell(14382) Module::driverDictFinished: DBus data corrupted "Unexpected reply signature: got "", expected "a{sa{sv}}"" [12:01] no clue what bustle is ^^ [12:01] !info bustle [12:01] shadeslayer: push [12:02] also [12:02] bustle (source: bustle): D-Bus activity visualiser. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.2-1 (saucy), package size 2140 kB, installed size 9266 kB [12:02] apachelogger: fancy dbus thing to see dbus messages [12:02] shadeslayer: first release [12:02] apachelogger: can't release a broken kcm [12:02] will release right after I fix this [12:02] didn't it work before? Oo [12:02] apachelogger: it did, but I broken it by trying to make it async [12:02] let's fix async'ness and release [12:02] :@ [12:02] that's not what I asked for :'< [12:03] shadeslayer: git stash, prep release, then async please [12:03] the timeout business does not block initial upload [12:03] ok [12:18] apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kubuntu-driver-manager/kubuntu-driver-manager_14.04ubuntu1.dsc [12:19] Hey gents, is Kubuntu looking at adopting systemd in the near future , or is this just a rumour? [12:20] premature rumour at the momemt [12:20] we'll go with whatever upstream KDE decides [12:20] shadeslayer: still no COPYING.lib it seems [12:20] argh [12:21] shadeslayer: and on a completely unrelated note, what is the point of the keepalive dbus method? [12:21] apachelogger: I thought I'd use the API at some point, but no use has cropped up so far [12:21] on that note, I think there's a pice missing of the timer business we discussed a while ago, more on that later [12:21] shadeslayer: copyright has problems IMO [12:22] apachelogger: yep, fixing [12:22] shadeslayer: says the stuff is gpl2, but it's gpl2 or 3 or whatever suites kde [12:22] (I always write gpl2 or gpl3) [12:22] apachelogger: right, what needs to be done there? [12:22] list both? [12:22] see other software? :P [12:22] about-distro for example [12:23] generall you can just write anything into the License field I think [12:23] but you must provide the correct short license [12:23] currently you have a plain gpl2+ which is not correct [12:23] Driver manager for Kubuntu that uses the ubuntu-drivers-common API [12:23] ^^ [12:23] gotcha [12:24] that description is as useful as a cooling unit in the arctic as phonon-vlc would put it ^^ [12:24] apachelogger: I don't hear a better solution there [12:24] shadeslayer: leave it for now [12:25] or maybe I can throw something together [12:25] actually [12:25] what's jockey say [12:25] Jockey provides a user interface for configuring third-party drivers, [12:25] such as the Nvidia and ATI fglrx X.org and various Wireless LAN [12:25] kernel modules. [12:25] there you have a description good sir [12:25] alas, still a bit technicy, but I guess the entire thing is just that [12:28] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/pd7ec98de [12:28] apachelogger: fine with that? [12:29] apachelogger: quick [12:29] everyone wants to leave for lunch [12:30] eating is important :) [12:31] apachelogger: uploaded, same location [12:31] * BluesKaj stares at the bowl of bran buds [12:51] shadeslayer: why not license the packaging as 2,3,ev? [12:52] /home/me/tmp/b/kubuntu-driver-manager-14.04ubuntu1/src/Module.cpp:241:6: warning: unused parameter ‘status’ [-Wunused-parameter] [12:52] void Module::finished(QApt::ExitStatus status) [12:52] shadeslayer: ^ btw [12:53] Uploading kubuntu-driver-manager_14.04ubuntu1_source.changes: done. [12:53] Successfully uploaded packages. [12:54] Riddell, ScottK: kubuntu-driver-manager landing in source NEW soon [12:55] apachelogger: awooga [12:55] queuebot: awooga [12:55] shadeslayer: going to blog? [12:56] that was the idea anyway [12:56] Riddell: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Policies#General_Viability_.28.28TBD.29.29 current set of criteria for deciding whether or not to keep a package in the archive [12:56] or rather, when to absolutely always remove it when upstream goes AWOL [13:33] * apachelogger squints a bit [13:34] * Riddell tries mythbuntu for the first time, interesting but plasma mc is cooler :) [13:39] ohohoh [13:39] Riddell: btw, is calligra done yet? [13:40] apachelogger: yes, are you waiting on it? [13:40] Riddell: just wondering if kubuntu-meta is unblocked yet [13:40] otherwise we'll have to twiddle the seeds IIRC [13:40] hmm, still in -proposed [13:40] * Riddell looks [13:41] daily is still overszied my syncer cron reported [13:41] hmm, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt only talks about "arm64: kubuntu-full" [13:41] nothing much else useful [13:42] "out of date on arm64: libtelepathy-qt4-2, libtelepathy-qt4-dbg, libtelepathy-qt4-dev, libtelepathy-qt4-farstream2 (from 0.9.3-0ubuntu7) " [13:42] hmm [13:43] I guess 4.12.1 still has lots of fallout [13:43] like okular not compiling on arm64 [13:43] :'< [13:43] shadeslayer: are you monitoring that stuff? [13:44] much blue and red http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html [13:45] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6885262/ [13:45] ... [13:46] anyone an idea why my kbuildsycoca4 isnt startet automaticly o.O [13:46] "Error synchronizing after initial wipe" well there's no need to be rude [13:47] ghostcube_: no but I suspect mine isn't either so would be good to find out [13:47] bogus mtimes? [13:48] actually I think it usually takes a bit until it runs [13:56] * apachelogger runs install test [13:57] shadeslayer: firefox logo looks lovely [14:04] apachelogger: awesome [14:05] * shadeslayer can only hope that was not sarcasm [14:13] apachelogger: yay, more async'ness [14:16] kubotu: go away [14:16] kubotu: hi [14:17] goodafternoon, apachelogger [14:18] well this is unfortunate [14:18] shadeslayer: I don't have a single device that ubuntu-drivers-common will detect to require proprietary drivers [14:18] and I think it may even be sort of right [14:19] heh [14:19] life's weird like that [14:19] Compiled for arch: ::Vc::AVXImpl [14:19] Features supported: [14:19] FOSS is too good [14:19] where's that output coming from [14:19] everything works [14:19] apachelogger: I get that too :/ [14:19] kdelibs I think [14:19] every app [14:20] or maybe not ... I didn't have that post upgrading to ninjas [14:20] to the grepcave! [14:20] Binary file ./libpigmentcms.so.13.0.0 matches [14:21] why are calligra-libs being loaded 0.o [14:22] me@novalis:/usr/lib$ grep -r pig /proc/`pidof kcmshell4`/maps [14:22] 7f9480ff2000-7f9481140000 r-xp 00000000 00:11 12372 /usr/lib/libpigmentcms.so.13.0.0 [14:22] shadeslayer: that's from calligra? [14:22] calligra-libs: /usr/lib/libpigmentcms.so.12 [14:22] fancy [14:22] * apachelogger blames Riddell [14:23] apachelogger: so, regarding aptdaemon [14:23] we want it gone? [14:23] ldd [14:23] err [14:23] shadeslayer: yes [14:23] what kind of question is that :O [14:23] a "Making sure that is what apachelogger wants" [14:23] libbasicflakes.so.13.0.0: [14:23] libflake.so.13.0.0: [14:23] libkexidatatable.so.13.0.0: [14:24] whole bunch of kexi actually [14:24] libkformdesigner.so.13.0.0: [14:24] 0.o [14:24] libkformula.so.13.0.0: [14:24] why are those being loaded [14:24] isn't that all calligra nonesnse? [14:25] shadeslayer: they are not [14:25] they are linking pigments [14:25] most certainly looks like it [14:25] every flipping calligra lib links against that thing [14:25] which in itself seems peculiar [14:25] but oh well [14:26] all kritas loaded by kcmshell [14:26] kexi is not though [14:26] actually [14:27] you know, laptop screens are really very tiny ^^ [14:27] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6885457/ [14:27] just about everything kexi is loaded [14:27] eh, everything calligra I meant [14:27] except for kexi ^^ === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [14:29] the interesting thing about this is that once you remove calligra-libs it simply doesn't load anything anymore [14:29] so it's supposedly a plugin that drags all the nonsense in [14:29] o_o [14:30] and upgrade for calligra available [14:30] you know [14:30] krita is really very big [14:30] plus I am not sure it should be on the ISO [14:30] Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe krita-data all 1:2.7.91-0ubuntu5 [15,7 MB] [14:30] and that's supposedly xz -9 compressed [14:31] lol [14:31] shadeslayer: is your system completely up-to-date? [14:31] apachelogger: so aptdaemon is Recommended because Ubuntu Drivers offers the functionality of asking packagekit to figure out what package can provide a driver for [14:31] apachelogger: yep [14:32] * apachelogger doesn't get it to load the calligra libs anymore ^^ [14:32] apachelogger: what magic vodoo did you do [14:33] purge calligra-libs, install calligra-libs [14:33] wut [14:33] shadeslayer: check if you are on 2.7.91 [14:34] apachelogger: http://pastebin.kde.org/pll3zaxrj [14:34] shadeslayer: right [14:34] oh [14:34] shadeslayer: I installed ubuntu5 now [14:34] apachelogger: purging / installing doesn't fix it [14:34] ah [14:35] I don't have that [14:35] use archive.ubuntu [14:35] mirrors suck donkey balls [14:35] * Temporarily disable krita image plugins to prevent global [14:35] debugging output [14:35] there, jr fixed it ^^ [14:35] crime solved [14:35] * apachelogger puts away the pipe [14:36] damn latest update broke the guest additions in virtual box [14:36] no way to get the grafics adapter working [14:36] real men use KVM [14:36] * ghostcube hands apachelogger a cookie and a cup of tea [14:36] :P [14:37] apachelogger: oh still random debug output from calligra? [14:37] Riddell: no [14:38] Riddell: daily install had ubuntu4, so I went investigating and end up with ubuntu5 which solves the problem [14:39] * apachelogger just realized that he never reviewed printing l10n because he has no printer [14:39] very much danger [14:41] wah.... warning uknown version of the xwindow system installed not installing xwindow system drivers [14:41] urgs [14:42] ^^ [14:43] apachelogger: do you think we can drop python2.7 from the image too [14:44] shadeslayer: depends on the transition on the ubuntu side IIRC [14:44] hplip-data pulled in python2 for some reason IIRC [14:44] shadeslayer: does themeeditor have to be a new package? [14:44] mmmm [14:44] Riddell: ask apachelogger [14:45] apachelogger: ↑ [14:45] he did that change [14:45] Riddell: wutwut, it should be gone [14:46] Riddell: kdepim-themeeditors is new [14:46] which picks up the previous mailthemeeditor (or somesuch) and merges in the new contactthemeeditor [14:46] oh, I guess you mean that one ^^ [14:46] Riddell: yeah that is very much supposed to be new [14:47] * shadeslayer looks at trello [14:47] * apachelogger throws away tiny laptop screen again [14:47] apachelogger: can't it be part of kmail or something? [14:47] Riddell: no [14:47] shadeslayer: fix 4.12.2 packages? http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html [14:47] they are independent applications with their own desktop file [14:47] and they are utterly useless to normal people [14:48] Riddell: can you poke relevant people for https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/intltool/add-qtdesigner-support/+merge/145112 [14:48] so we don't want it on the seed and that's why they can't be in the kmail package [14:48] apachelogger: ok approved! [14:48] thanks [14:48] shadeslayer: ooh interesting [14:48] talking about approvery [14:49] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Policies#Handlers is that what you meant in your latest comment on the policies card? [14:49] (didn't really see that fit in with team descriptions policy, alas also not quite as much a policy on its own, more of a guide really) [14:50] apachelogger: I hate your excel sheet with column descriptions at the bottom [14:50] plz be fixing [14:51] apachelogger: looks good [14:56] any objections on replacing kde-config-touchpad ( synaptiks ) with kde-touchpad? [15:00] shadeslayer: what's the advantage (just to remind myself) [15:00] ? [15:00] Riddell: move away from a Python2 based synaptiks [15:02] shadeslayer: needs refreshing anyway [15:03] * apachelogger afk walking dog [15:03] you have a dog? :P [15:04] shadeslayer: go for it [15:04] done [15:04]