[00:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: slideshow uploaded
[00:18] <ahoneybun> Riddell, in case you did not see it on the mailing list someone has packaged the Userbase/Kubuntu pages into a tar file but they are html
[00:19] <Riddell> html is good
[00:19] <Riddell> but it should be automated to be of much use
[00:19] <ahoneybun> how will we get that into a package for kubuntu-docs
[00:19] <Riddell> so we can put it on the web server and in the package
[00:19] <ahoneybun> well it kinda is
[00:20] <ahoneybun> http://userbase.kde.org/How_To_Convert_a_UserBase_Manual_to_Docbook
[00:21] <ahoneybun> so if it is html we could put it on the site now
[00:28] <Riddell> ahoneybun: should we keep 13.10 docs there or just overwrite them?
[00:29]  * Riddell reboots to install 12.04.4 candidates
[00:33] <ahoneybun> Riddell, back them up then overwrite
[00:42]  * ahoneybun is going to see if boot option "nomodeset" will let him install Kubuntu over his Ubuntu installation
[00:43] <ahoneybun> Riddell, plus the 13.10 docs are still on the wik
[00:43] <ahoneybun> wiki
[00:44] <valorie> if they are in the wrong format, please write directly to Yuri and he will redo
[00:44] <valorie> no point doing two conversions if we don't have to
[00:47] <ahoneybun> valorie, well my liveusb with kubuntu 13.10 is ready
[00:48] <ahoneybun> wish me luck with installing it lol
[00:48] <valorie> yay!
[00:48] <valorie> best of luck
[00:48] <ahoneybun> yea
[00:48] <valorie> off to dinner
[00:54] <ahoneybun> valorie: well nomodeset got the installer to start and it is installing at this current moment
[01:17] <ahoneybun> seems Kubuntu 13.10 installed fine
[01:35] <ahoneybun> and it detected my monitor just fine
[02:18] <ahoneybun> hello
[02:18] <ahoneybun> and I'm running Kubuntu
[06:00] <valorie> sorry ahoneybun, I forgot I had a PFLAG meeting tonight
[07:57] <apachelogger> valorie: what does one talk about at a PFLAG meeting?
[07:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh btw, whatever editor you use, it has non-policy compliant indenting
[08:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ./Module.cpp:                                       ki18n("((Name))"),
[08:01] <valorie> we have a small group, very friendly -- we talk about what is going on in our lives, and equality issues in the country, around the world, etc.
[08:01] <valorie> really fascinating discussion tonight, AND someone brought really good dip and crackers
[08:02] <valorie> there is education and advocacy as well, but not at our monthly meets
[08:03] <apachelogger> uh, free food, my, that is fancy ^^
[08:03] <valorie> Russia needs more pflag
[08:03] <valorie> :-)
[08:03] <apachelogger> Russia...
[08:03] <valorie> + Pussy Riot
[08:03] <apachelogger> do not question mother russia
[08:04] <valorie> mother russia is fine
[08:04] <valorie> I question her half-naked Putin-meister
[08:05] <apachelogger> from what I understand it's not just lord Putin, but also his friends etc.
[08:05] <apachelogger> his friends who interestingly enoug end up being important people in important cities
[08:05] <valorie> and amazingly, make loads of money
[08:06] <valorie> funny how that happens
[08:06] <apachelogger> so magic.
[08:06] <valorie> they killed off all the jews; now all the problems are caused by gays
[08:10] <apachelogger> valorie: I think GWBush could help
[08:10] <valorie> maybe; I'd gladly ship him over there to see
[08:10] <valorie> one way ticket
[08:11] <apachelogger> mh
[08:12] <apachelogger> he's quite a role model don't you know
[08:12] <apachelogger> how you can pull that much crap and not end up jumping off a bridge because everyone at the UN made fun of you, is beyond me :P
[08:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dpkg-gencontrol: warning: Depends field of package kubuntu-driver-manager-dbg: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends}
[08:13] <valorie> we'd have to drag him kicking and screaming, because he would probably be hauled up on war crimes charges
[08:13] <valorie> he and Cheny
[08:13] <valorie> Cheney
[08:16] <apachelogger> valorie: that dick? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney_hunting_incident
[08:17] <apachelogger> ^ how one does not end up in a jail cell for that is also not clear to me FWIW
[08:17] <apachelogger> valorie: your country is very weird :P
[08:19] <valorie> so true; why do you think I'm always eager to visit saner regions?
[08:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://i.imgur.com/fsQEJOS.png
[08:19] <apachelogger> valorie: ah, it all makes sense now :)
[08:21]  * apachelogger is puzzled by code architectures today
[08:21] <apachelogger> was looking at some python earlier and failed to compute it entirely and now I am looking at C++ and having the same experience
[08:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there are many strings that don't use i18nc
[08:24] <apachelogger> yet some do
[08:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer:     m_manager->setTimeout(60000); use async communication?
[08:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ./src/drivermanagerdbustypes.h: LGPL (v2 or later)
[08:31] <apachelogger> complete license copy missing it appears
[08:31] <apachelogger> can't upload
[08:33] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/gaKzHEf.png
[08:33] <apachelogger> that doesn't compute btw
[08:39] <apachelogger> oh my
[08:39] <apachelogger> the ubuntu-drivers-common somehow is broken and doesn't manage to detect stuff on my system
[08:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kcm needs mock data support
[09:49] <ghostcube> muon works again
[10:06] <apachelogger> go muon go
[10:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: the one-page policy gets messy already and I am not even done  :'<
[10:13] <adarmalik> hey folks, i have a problem with kde 4.12 on kubuntu 12.04. after 4.12 was rolled out in the backports repo my window decoration is gone
[10:13] <adarmalik> also kwin seems to be missing
[10:13] <adarmalik> only kwinactive is there
[10:15] <apachelogger> probably was removed by the upgrade
[10:15] <jussi> probably a reinstall of kubuntu-desktop will fix stuff...
[10:16] <adarmalik> hmm, ok
[10:16] <adarmalik> I'll try
[10:16] <adarmalik> remove and install?
[10:16] <adarmalik> or is there some way to do it in one step?
[10:16] <jussi> apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[10:17] <adarmalik> thanks :) I'll try
[10:18]  * apachelogger hates moinmoin so much :@
[10:19] <apachelogger> jussi: that won't cause a new dep resolution of recommends
[10:19] <jussi> apachelogger: it wont? 
[10:19] <apachelogger> nope
[10:19] <apachelogger> that will litterally just download the deb and install it
[10:19] <jussi> oh... ball in your court then...
[10:19] <apachelogger> since it's already installed apt will not resolve package relationships
[10:20] <apachelogger> the correct way is sudo apt-get purge kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:20]  * apachelogger just lost 15 minutes of work thanks to moinmoin
[10:20] <apachelogger> so lovely
[10:22] <adarmalik> jussi: thank you so much :) it worked
[10:23] <jussi> adarmalik: glad it worked
[10:24] <apachelogger> ^ presumably it wasn't installed at all?
[10:25] <jussi> apachelogger: that would be what I am guessing...
[10:27] <apachelogger> Depends: alsa-base, alsa-utils, anacron, ark, audiocd-kio, bc, ca-certificates, dolphin, fonts-dejavu-core, fonts-freefont-ttf, foomatic-db-compressed-ppds, genisoimage, ghostscript-x, inputattach, kde-window-manager, kde-workspace, kde-zeroconf, kdepasswd, khelpcenter4, klipper, kmix, konsole, ksnapshot, ksysguard, libpam-systemd, libsasl2-modules, libxp6, lightdm-kde-greeter, okular, openprinting-ppds, plasma-desktop, plasma-netbook, pm-utils
[10:27] <apachelogger> , printer-driver-pnm2ppa, rfkill, software-properties-kde, systemsettings, ubuntu-drivers-common, ubuntu-extras-keyring, unzip, wireless-tools, wpasupplicant, xdg-user-dirs, xkb-data, xorg, zip
[10:27] <apachelogger> must have been, kde-window-manager is a dependency ^^
[10:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dafuq @ your screenshot
[10:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what does ubuntu-drivers list say
[10:34] <apachelogger> empty
 shadeslayer:     m_manager->setTimeout(60000); use async communication? < I am, the python scripts more than 25 seconds to reply hence the dbus call times out
[10:34] <apachelogger> and you do not remove the qlabel you create for the 'yo no devices'
[10:34] <apachelogger> although I'll argue that you should not need to
[10:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah so issue in ubuntu-drivers-common then
[10:34] <apachelogger> because it ultimately should be a DriverWidget
[10:34] <shadeslayer> plz be filing bugs
[10:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, the issue is in you're not removing widgets that you add
[10:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: <apachelogger> shadeslayer:     m_manager->setTimeout(60000); use async communication? < I am, the python scripts more than 25 seconds to reply hence the dbus call times out <- use async communication?
[10:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hm, so you mean emit signals from the python script?
[10:37] <apachelogger> yep
[10:37] <shadeslayer> and then connect to those signals over dbus?
[10:37] <apachelogger> that's usually how you are supposed to do dbus anyway
[10:37] <shadeslayer> I see
[10:37] <apachelogger> because the timeout is completel arbitrary
[10:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: first fix license business and create new package though
[10:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: possibly also the qlabel thing, though from what I have seen you'll need to refactor DriverWidget business a bit for that
[10:38] <apachelogger> so perhaps leave that out for now
[10:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: i18nc would be good though
[10:39] <shadeslayer> i18nc everywhere?
[10:42] <apachelogger> sure
[10:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh oh , and mind that ((NAME)) thing
[10:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yep reading and fixing things
[10:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: as for indenting, I'm using KDevelop
[10:55] <dp_> hi, how can i help. 
[10:55] <dp_> hi, how can i help. 
[10:58] <dp_> is there any task related to perl.  
 shadeslayer: kcm needs mock data support
[10:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^ how do you mean?
[10:59] <shadeslayer> as in tests for the KCM?
[11:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah well, right now you can only test it manually if you have proprietary drivers available (and ubuntu-drivers-common detects that at all...)
[11:06] <apachelogger> which is bad so I think some simple mock data would be handy where the kcm simply bypassed the dbus thing and showed dummy data
[11:06] <apachelogger> and on that note ... does ubuntu-drivers-common use aptdaemon still because I just wondered how it even knows what packages could possibly be installed?
[11:07] <apachelogger> dp_: I am afraid I am not sure what you mean
[11:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/UbuntuDrivers/PackageKit.py:    import aptdaemon.pkenums as enums
[11:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so yeah
[11:13] <shadeslayer> still uses aptdaemon
[11:13] <ghostcube> apachelogger: but you cant tell muon to purge packages ? its not possible or did i didnt see a field to tick
[11:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do we have a timeline when that changes
[11:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: not a clue, I treat the backend as a blackbox
[11:14] <shadeslayer> you'll have to ask the maintainer
[11:15] <apachelogger> ehm
[11:15] <apachelogger> the reason why this entire gui task came to be because we need to get rid of aptdaemon
[11:15] <apachelogger> ....
[11:15] <apachelogger> ghostcube: http://i.imgur.com/I44hXdK.png
[11:15] <shadeslayer> no, the entire gui task came because we need to get rid of jockey
[11:16] <shadeslayer> and with it another dep of python2
[11:16] <shadeslayer> because jockey is unsupported now
[11:18] <ghostcube> apachelogger: ehm ok....  thx :D ... need new glasses
[11:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ok
[11:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so who's solving the aptdaemon thing then?
[11:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I can have a look at it later todau
[11:19] <shadeslayer> *today
[11:19] <apachelogger> fair enough
[11:35] <Riddell> release team decision seems to be to relase 12.04.4 alternate images despite encryption not working (bug 1276739) and release not it
[11:35]  * Riddell does more testing
[11:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: got a moment?
[11:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yuz
[11:58] <apachelogger> well, actually I am going to get coffee, but I shall reply when I am back :P
[11:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: for some reason bustle says my signal has data, but my C++ side says : kcmshell(14382) Module::driverDictFinished: DBus data corrupted "Unexpected reply signature: got "", expected "a{sa{sv}}"" 
[12:01] <apachelogger> no clue what bustle is ^^
[12:01] <shadeslayer> !info bustle
[12:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: push
[12:02] <apachelogger> also
[12:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fancy dbus thing to see dbus messages
[12:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: first release
[12:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can't release a broken kcm
[12:02] <shadeslayer> will release right after I fix this
[12:02] <apachelogger> didn't it work before? Oo
[12:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it did, but I broken it by trying to make it async
[12:02] <shadeslayer> let's fix async'ness and release
[12:02] <apachelogger> :@
[12:02] <apachelogger> that's not what I asked for :'<
[12:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: git stash, prep release, then async please
[12:03] <apachelogger> the timeout business does not block initial upload
[12:03] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kubuntu-driver-manager/kubuntu-driver-manager_14.04ubuntu1.dsc
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Hey gents, is Kubuntu looking at adopting systemd in the near future , or is this just a rumour?
[12:20] <shadeslayer> premature rumour at the momemt
[12:20] <shadeslayer> we'll go with whatever upstream KDE decides
[12:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: still no COPYING.lib it seems
[12:20] <shadeslayer> argh
[12:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and on a completely unrelated note, what is the point of the keepalive dbus method?
[12:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I thought I'd use the API at some point, but no use has cropped up so far
[12:21] <apachelogger> on that note, I think there's a pice missing of the timer business we discussed a while ago, more on that later
[12:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: copyright has problems IMO
[12:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yep, fixing
[12:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: says the stuff is gpl2, but it's gpl2 or 3 or whatever suites kde
[12:22] <apachelogger> (I always write gpl2 or gpl3)
[12:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: right, what needs to be done there?
[12:22] <shadeslayer> list both?
[12:22] <apachelogger> see other software? :P
[12:22] <apachelogger> about-distro for example
[12:23] <apachelogger> generall you can just write anything into the License field I think
[12:23] <apachelogger> but you must provide the correct short license
[12:23] <apachelogger> currently you have a plain gpl2+ which is not correct
[12:23] <apachelogger>  Driver manager for Kubuntu that uses the ubuntu-drivers-common API
[12:23] <apachelogger> ^^
[12:23] <shadeslayer> gotcha
[12:24] <apachelogger> that description is as useful as a cooling unit in the arctic as phonon-vlc would put it ^^
[12:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I don't hear a better solution there 
[12:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: leave it for now
[12:25] <apachelogger> or maybe I can throw something together
[12:25] <apachelogger> actually
[12:25] <apachelogger> what's jockey say
[12:25] <apachelogger>  Jockey provides a user interface for configuring third-party drivers,
[12:25] <apachelogger>  such as the Nvidia and ATI fglrx X.org and various Wireless LAN
[12:25] <apachelogger>  kernel modules.
[12:25] <apachelogger> there you have a description good sir
[12:25] <apachelogger> alas, still a bit technicy, but I guess the entire thing is just that
[12:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/pd7ec98de
[12:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fine with that?
[12:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: quick
[12:29] <shadeslayer> everyone wants to leave for lunch
[12:30] <BluesKaj> eating is important :)
[12:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: uploaded, same location
[12:31]  * BluesKaj stares at the bowl of bran buds
[12:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why not license the packaging as 2,3,ev?
[12:52] <apachelogger> /home/me/tmp/b/kubuntu-driver-manager-14.04ubuntu1/src/Module.cpp:241:6: warning: unused parameter ‘status’ [-Wunused-parameter]
[12:52] <apachelogger>  void Module::finished(QApt::ExitStatus status)
[12:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^ btw
[12:53] <apachelogger>   Uploading kubuntu-driver-manager_14.04ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[12:53] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[12:54] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: kubuntu-driver-manager landing in source NEW soon
[12:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: awooga
[12:55] <Riddell> queuebot: awooga
[12:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: going to blog?
[12:56] <apachelogger> that was the idea anyway
[12:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Policies#General_Viability_.28.28TBD.29.29 current set of criteria for deciding whether or not to keep a package in the archive
[12:56] <apachelogger> or rather, when to absolutely always remove it when upstream goes AWOL
[13:33]  * apachelogger squints a bit
[13:34]  * Riddell tries mythbuntu for the first time, interesting but plasma mc is cooler :)
[13:39] <apachelogger> ohohoh
[13:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, is calligra done yet?
[13:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, are you waiting on it?
[13:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: just wondering if kubuntu-meta is unblocked yet
[13:40] <apachelogger> otherwise we'll have to twiddle the seeds IIRC
[13:40] <Riddell> hmm, still in -proposed
[13:40]  * Riddell looks
[13:41] <apachelogger> daily is still overszied my syncer cron reported
[13:41] <Riddell> hmm, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt only talks about "arm64: kubuntu-full"
[13:41] <Riddell> nothing much else useful
[13:42] <Riddell> "out of date on arm64: libtelepathy-qt4-2, libtelepathy-qt4-dbg, libtelepathy-qt4-dev, libtelepathy-qt4-farstream2 (from 0.9.3-0ubuntu7) "
[13:42] <Riddell> hmm
[13:43] <Riddell> I guess 4.12.1 still has lots of fallout
[13:43] <Riddell> like okular not compiling on arm64
[13:43] <apachelogger> :'<
[13:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: are you monitoring that stuff?
[13:44] <Riddell> much blue and red http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html
[13:45] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6885262/
[13:45] <apachelogger> ...
[13:46] <ghostcube_> anyone an idea why my kbuildsycoca4 isnt startet automaticly o.O
[13:46] <Riddell> "Error synchronizing after initial wipe"  well there's no need to be rude
[13:47] <Riddell> ghostcube_: no but I suspect mine isn't either so would be good to find out
[13:47] <apachelogger> bogus mtimes?
[13:48] <apachelogger> actually I think it usually takes a bit until it runs
[13:56]  * apachelogger runs install test
[13:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: firefox logo looks lovely
[14:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: awesome
[14:05]  * shadeslayer can only hope that was not sarcasm
[14:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yay, more async'ness
[14:16] <apachelogger> kubotu: go away
[14:16] <apachelogger> kubotu: hi
[14:17] <kubotu> goodafternoon, apachelogger
[14:18] <apachelogger> well this is unfortunate
[14:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I don't have a single device that ubuntu-drivers-common will detect to require proprietary drivers
[14:18] <apachelogger> and I think it may even be sort of right
[14:19] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:19] <apachelogger> life's weird like that
[14:19] <apachelogger> Compiled for arch: ::Vc::AVXImpl 
[14:19] <apachelogger> Features supported:
[14:19] <shadeslayer> FOSS is too good
[14:19] <apachelogger> where's that output coming from
[14:19] <shadeslayer> everything works
[14:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I get that too :/
[14:19] <shadeslayer> kdelibs I think
[14:19] <apachelogger> every app
[14:20] <shadeslayer> or maybe not ... I didn't have that post upgrading to ninjas
[14:20] <apachelogger> to the grepcave!
[14:20] <apachelogger> Binary file ./libpigmentcms.so.13.0.0 matches
[14:21] <shadeslayer> why are calligra-libs being loaded 0.o
[14:22] <apachelogger> me@novalis:/usr/lib$ grep -r pig /proc/`pidof kcmshell4`/maps
[14:22] <apachelogger> 7f9480ff2000-7f9481140000 r-xp 00000000 00:11 12372                      /usr/lib/libpigmentcms.so.13.0.0
[14:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's from calligra?
[14:22] <shadeslayer> calligra-libs: /usr/lib/libpigmentcms.so.12
[14:22] <apachelogger> fancy
[14:22]  * apachelogger blames Riddell
[14:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so, regarding aptdaemon
[14:23] <shadeslayer> we want it gone?
[14:23] <apachelogger> ldd
[14:23] <apachelogger> err
[14:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes
[14:23] <apachelogger> what kind of question is that :O
[14:23] <shadeslayer> a "Making sure that is what apachelogger wants"
[14:23] <apachelogger> libbasicflakes.so.13.0.0:
[14:23] <apachelogger> libflake.so.13.0.0:
[14:23] <apachelogger> libkexidatatable.so.13.0.0:
[14:24] <apachelogger> whole bunch of kexi actually
[14:24] <apachelogger> libkformdesigner.so.13.0.0:
[14:24] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[14:24] <apachelogger> libkformula.so.13.0.0:
[14:24] <shadeslayer> why are those being loaded
[14:24] <apachelogger> isn't that all calligra nonesnse?
[14:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: they are not
[14:25] <apachelogger> they are linking pigments
[14:25] <shadeslayer> most certainly looks like it
[14:25] <apachelogger> every flipping calligra lib links against that thing
[14:25] <apachelogger> which in itself seems peculiar
[14:25] <apachelogger> but oh well
[14:26] <apachelogger> all kritas loaded by kcmshell
[14:26] <apachelogger> kexi is not though
[14:26] <apachelogger> actually
[14:27] <apachelogger> you know, laptop screens are really very tiny ^^
[14:27] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6885457/
[14:27] <apachelogger> just about everything kexi is loaded
[14:27] <apachelogger> eh, everything calligra I meant
[14:27] <apachelogger> except for kexi ^^
[14:29] <apachelogger> the interesting thing about this is that once you remove calligra-libs it simply doesn't load anything anymore
[14:29] <apachelogger> so it's supposedly a plugin that drags all the nonsense in
[14:29] <shadeslayer> o_o
[14:30] <apachelogger> and upgrade for calligra available
[14:30] <apachelogger> you know
[14:30] <apachelogger> krita is really very big
[14:30] <apachelogger> plus I am not sure it should be on the ISO
[14:30] <apachelogger> Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe krita-data all 1:2.7.91-0ubuntu5 [15,7 MB]
[14:30] <apachelogger> and that's supposedly xz -9 compressed
[14:31] <apachelogger> lol
[14:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is your system completely up-to-date?
[14:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so aptdaemon is Recommended because Ubuntu Drivers offers the functionality of asking packagekit to figure out what package can provide a driver for <modalias>
[14:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yep
[14:32]  * apachelogger doesn't get it to load the calligra libs anymore ^^
[14:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what magic vodoo did you do
[14:33] <apachelogger> purge calligra-libs, install calligra-libs
[14:33] <shadeslayer> wut
[14:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: check if you are on 2.7.91
[14:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.kde.org/pll3zaxrj
[14:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: right
[14:34] <apachelogger> oh
[14:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I installed ubuntu5 now
[14:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: purging / installing doesn't fix it
[14:34] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:35] <shadeslayer> I don't have that
[14:35] <apachelogger> use archive.ubuntu
[14:35] <apachelogger> mirrors suck donkey balls
[14:35] <apachelogger>   * Temporarily disable krita image plugins to prevent global
[14:35] <apachelogger>     debugging output
[14:35] <apachelogger> there, jr fixed it ^^
[14:35] <apachelogger> crime solved
[14:35]  * apachelogger puts away the pipe
[14:36] <ghostcube> damn latest update broke the guest additions in virtual box
[14:36] <ghostcube> no way to get the grafics adapter working
[14:36] <apachelogger> real men use KVM
[14:36]  * ghostcube hands apachelogger a cookie and a cup of tea
[14:36] <ghostcube> :P
[14:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh still random debug output from calligra?
[14:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: no
[14:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: daily install had ubuntu4, so I went investigating and end up with ubuntu5 which solves the problem
[14:39]  * apachelogger just realized that he never reviewed printing l10n because he has no printer
[14:39] <apachelogger> very much danger
[14:41] <ghostcube> wah.... warning uknown version of the xwindow system installed not installing xwindow system drivers
[14:41] <ghostcube> urgs
[14:42] <apachelogger> ^^
[14:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you think we can drop python2.7 from the image too
[14:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: depends on the transition on the ubuntu side IIRC
[14:44] <apachelogger> hplip-data pulled in python2 for some reason IIRC
[14:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: does themeeditor have to be a new package?
[14:44] <shadeslayer> mmmm
[14:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ask apachelogger
[14:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: ↑
[14:45] <shadeslayer> he did that change
[14:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: wutwut, it should be gone
[14:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: kdepim-themeeditors is new
[14:46] <apachelogger> which picks up the previous mailthemeeditor (or somesuch) and merges in the new contactthemeeditor
[14:46] <apachelogger> oh, I guess you mean that one ^^
[14:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah that is very much supposed to be new
[14:47]  * shadeslayer looks at trello
[14:47]  * apachelogger throws away tiny laptop screen again
[14:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: can't it be part of kmail or something?
[14:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: no
[14:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: fix 4.12.2 packages? http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html
[14:47] <apachelogger> they are independent applications with their own desktop file
[14:47] <apachelogger> and they are utterly useless to normal people
[14:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you poke relevant people for https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/intltool/add-qtdesigner-support/+merge/145112
[14:48] <apachelogger> so we don't want it on the seed and that's why they can't be in the kmail package 
[14:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok approved!
[14:48] <apachelogger> thanks
[14:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ooh interesting
[14:48] <apachelogger> talking about approvery
[14:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Policies#Handlers is that what you meant in your latest comment on the policies card?
[14:49] <apachelogger> (didn't really see that fit in with team descriptions policy, alas also not quite as much a policy on its own, more of a guide really)
[14:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I hate your excel sheet with column descriptions at the bottom
[14:50] <shadeslayer> plz be fixing
[14:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: looks good
[14:56] <shadeslayer> any objections on replacing kde-config-touchpad ( synaptiks ) with kde-touchpad?
[15:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's the advantage (just to remind myself)
[15:00] <Riddell> ?
[15:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: move away from a Python2 based synaptiks
[15:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: needs refreshing anyway
[15:03]  * apachelogger afk walking dog
[15:03] <shadeslayer> you have a dog? :P
[15:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: go for it
[15:04] <shadeslayer> done
[15:04] <Riddell> -meta uploaded?
[15:05] <shadeslayer> just pushed branch
[15:06] <shadeslayer> ohhh
[15:06] <shadeslayer> I get to upload 1.300
[15:06]  * shadeslayer gets to make the "This is Sparta" joke
[15:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thoughts on https://trello.com/c/3iBYNZhF
[15:10] <Riddell> 14:47 < Riddell> shadeslayer: fix 4.12.2 packages? http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html
[15:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ??
[15:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well get everything installing and kubuntu-meta will transition
[15:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: half the things are still building
[15:12] <shadeslayer> like kdepim
[15:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and how does this relate to kppp?
[15:13] <ghostcube> so xorg core 1.15 broke virtualbox
[15:13] <ghostcube> -.- i hate it
[15:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the link you gave me says "ensure kubuntu-meta migrates from proposed"
[15:14] <shadeslayer> uh
[15:14] <shadeslayer> weird
[15:14] <Riddell> but on the "kick kppp of the ISO
[15:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://trello.com/c/zuKcOID8
[15:14] <Riddell> " one I'm all for it
[15:14] <shadeslayer> yep
[15:15] <shadeslayer> k, I'll do it
[15:15] <Riddell> although worth asking if anyone uses it, for all I know some 3G dongle users use it
[15:15] <Riddell> but I'd guess not, remove then notify mailing list and ask for forgiveness
[15:16] <shadeslayer> yeah, asking for forgiveness is easier than asking for permission ;)
[15:16] <shadeslayer> we can reintroduce it if people shout
[15:18] <apachelogger> well
[15:18] <apachelogger> we can reintroduce it if people step up and do the QC
[15:18] <apachelogger> the main problem with it is that we have no means to make sure it works sensibly
[15:18] <apachelogger> which means we can't have it on the ISO
[15:21] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[15:27] <apachelogger> I am so very tried :@
[15:27] <apachelogger> wellz
[15:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: all policies written except for what LTS means support-wise
[15:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is apol hiding or something?
[15:28] <shadeslayer> no, he's infront of me
[15:29] <apachelogger> not here he isn't ^^
[15:29] <apachelogger> no matter tho
[15:29]  * Riddell writes https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-12.04.4
[15:29] <apachelogger> wrong url :P
[15:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: maybe he doesn't like Kubuntu and prefers the company of Arch users ;)
[15:30] <apachelogger> how rude.
[15:34] <apachelogger> OPINIONS I NEED OPINIONS
[15:34] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/bXtKd4E.png
[15:34]  * apachelogger lagging like mad
[15:34] <apachelogger> what you are looking at is featuring a page based navigation in discover, rather than the current infinite bar
[15:35] <apachelogger> good? bad? mad?
[15:35] <Riddell> rather than scolling down forever?
[15:36] <Riddell> isn't scolling down forever fashionable now?
[15:36] <Riddell> phones do it a lot
[15:37] <apachelogger> arguably one should only search ^^
[15:37] <apachelogger> scrolling down forever is hard to implement right in qml1 though
[15:37] <apachelogger> i.e. it's hard to know what stuff is actually currently visible such that you only load that
[15:38] <apachelogger> which is why currently when going to browse in a huge category discover will briefly lock up
[15:39] <Riddell> makes send to do as you've done then
[15:39] <apachelogger> (not my work)
[15:39] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/0E03rSY.png
[15:39] <apachelogger> MOAR OPINIONS PLZ xD
[15:40] <apachelogger> presented screenshot shows the applications view without tabs
[15:40] <apachelogger> currently when there are reviews etc. you will have tabs that you can use, the proposed change would put it all onto the same page
[15:40] <apachelogger> creating a more unified experience and preventing people from missing the tabs
[15:41] <apachelogger> upon clicking more reviews: http://i.imgur.com/f2Qfslx.png
[16:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: still need testing for qt 4.8.5 backports?
[16:24] <ghostcube> grml... next update will ship xorg 1.15 stuff for vbox
[16:25] <Riddell> ghostcube: how did you find that out?
 ghostcube: yes... next vbox update will ship stuff for xserver 1.15... finished 2 weeks ago     i asked in vbox channel
[16:25] <ghostcube> ;)
[16:26] <Riddell> ah hah
[16:29] <ghostcube> but the answer that follows was not very satisfactioning :D
[16:30] <ghostcube> i asked when the update will be released... answer: when its ready...
[16:30] <ghostcube> so...
[16:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: much fun, apt:// doesn't work in Ubuntu as well
[16:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[16:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: broken
[16:54] <apachelogger> how so?
[16:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: see mailing list
[16:54] <apachelogger> also I did notice font stuff at some point go kaboom
[16:54] <apachelogger> not sure if that is a qt thing tho
[16:54] <shadeslayer> mmm interesting
[16:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: ah on 12.04
[16:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: qtchooser was not present back then
[16:55] <apachelogger> we might not want to push to 12.04
[16:55] <apachelogger> the qtchooser stuff is quite invasive
[16:58] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[16:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: could try and just update whatever precise has to 4.8.5
[17:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nah, sounds like a waste of time to be honest
[17:01] <apachelogger> I am not sure it crashes on precise though
[17:02] <apachelogger> because AFAIK the crash comes from an upstream "fix" that broke it and us reverting the fix which unbroke it and then upstream fixing the fix making our fix a breakage
[17:02] <apachelogger> so perhaps precise doesn't even have the issue what with being 2 years old and maybe having a qt from the state where upstream's fix broke stuff and we repaired it
[17:03] <ghostcube> o.O
[17:03] <lordievader> Good evening.
[17:03] <shadeslayer> i see
[17:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: however surely 4.8.5 has a bunch of fixes
[17:04] <shadeslayer> compared to what precise has
[17:04] <apachelogger> yeah, but we are preping a new LTS which makes precise a very uninteresting target to invest time in
[17:40] <jussi> yay for very broken LO... :/
[17:57] <shadeslayer> jussi: got a moment?
[18:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ping
[19:53]  * ahoneybun got Kubuntu to work on his awesome notebook
[19:54] <lordievader> ahoneybun: \o/
[19:54] <ahoneybun> and it has 2 drives!
[19:54] <ahoneybun> a ssd and a hdd
[19:56] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: are you on?
[19:56] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I have the / root installed on the 24gb ssd and the home and swap on a 1tb hdd
[19:57] <lordievader> ahoneybun: How much ram do you got in there?
[19:57] <ahoneybun> 8gbs
[19:58] <lordievader> ahoneybun: No real need for swap then ;), but still usefull to have a few GB.
[19:58] <ahoneybun> well with 1tb I did not really care
[19:59] <lordievader> ahoneybun: I see your point.
[20:00] <ahoneybun> lol I got a few hundred gbs to spare lol
[20:20] <debfx> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-12.04.4 says Access denied :(
[20:20] <ahoneybun> debfx: might not be ready
[20:21] <debfx> well the release announcement is out now
[21:04] <ScottK> debfx: Fixing.
[21:12] <ScottK> debfx: Should be all good now.  Thanks for noticing.
[23:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you pinged?
[23:29] <Riddell> "I have uploaded KF5 alpha 1, also known as 4.96.0, to the usual location"  gosh