[00:03] <cleary> hi
[00:06] <cleary> I'm doing a bit of work testing remote authentication (kerberos/ldap) on the livecd (13.10), and I'm finding that while the authentication part is working fine, my kde sessions are getting odd behaviour
[00:07] <cleary> for a remotely authenticated user, kded4 crashes, the plasma-desktop doesn't load it's configuration properly, and .xsession-errors is full of qtdbus related errors
[00:08] <cleary> I'm wondering if someone is available to assist me with diagnosing the source of the issue? My suspicion is it may be related to some casper live user specific setups
[00:09] <cleary> I am able to fork casper/build custom images (takes about 5 mins) as part of the testing
[00:09] <cleary> if there is a more suitable channel I should be asking this question on, please let me know
[00:11] <cleary> PS the symptoms are very similar on livecds built from 14.04 repos
[00:12] <cleary> PPS note that I am attempting to do the authentication while booted "Live" not on a hd install
[00:14] <cleary> silence like this in a channel of 220 users is not a comforting feeling :/
[00:14] <cleary> would the mailing list be a better idea?
[00:15] <qdata> avail yourself of any/all
[00:15] <qdata> me, I'd try and see if a fresh virgin install to a real hd still has all same symptoms
[00:15] <cleary> I'm just going through the hd install now
[00:16] <qdata> I usually use virtualbox for such things, but that is still an approach that introduces many variables
[00:16] <cleary> yep, same - I'm also doing the livecd testing in vbox
[00:16] <cleary> fwiw
[00:17] <qdata> if a hd install does exactly all the same things I'd look at trying to formalize bug reports in the appropriate venues
[00:17] <qdata> and I'm not an expert at all
[00:17] <cleary> no worries, I'll have hd results shortly
[00:17] <cleary> thanks
[00:17] <qdata> main thing you don't get in vbox is real hardware graphics acceleration in the video
[00:18] <qdata> and kde needs all the hardware accel it can get
[00:18] <qdata> but that should not directly affect things like kerberos auth
[00:18] <cleary> hwaccel has been ok
[00:18] <cleary> ...meeting
[00:19] <qdata> and I don't know enough about kerberos on linux to be of any use to you
[00:19] <cleary> the kerberos bit isn't the issue (one of the beautiful things about it)
[00:19] <cleary> I'll be back in half hr or so, sorry
[00:20] <qdata> just wanted to say... something...  the channel goes through 'dead'periods
[00:21] <qdata> and on top of that, even if people see your traffic they may stay silent because they know they can't really help, or don't know what to do
[00:21] <qdata> check ya later  :-)
[02:06] <cleary> qdata: I'm back, sorry that took a lot longer than expected
[02:07] <cleary> just configuring the auth stuff now
[02:08] <cleary> re the dead channel comment, that's fair enough
[02:09] <cleary> many years ago I used to moderate a similar type of channel, the community there always made a point of helping as much as possible, even if only pointing towards a person/channel that may have a better answer
[02:09] <qdata> yup, a late dinner time for me
[02:10] <cleary> even just to say hi
[02:10] <qdata> I took a look at fedora 20 for a bit and akonadi server wouldn't start for kdepim
[02:10] <cleary> not saying all should be like that, but it feels weird talking into a void
[02:10] <qdata> and it was a dbus problem/error
[02:10] <qdata> lol
[02:10] <qdata> into the void
[02:10] <qdata> :-)
[02:11] <cleary> :)
[02:11] <cleary> how's f20 looking?
[02:11] <qdata> I don't know much about dbus but if you see a lot of them in xsession-errors it might be a starting point to investigate
[02:11] <cleary> I can't handle yum myself, but fundamentally I have a lot of respect for what they do
[02:12] <cleary> (the fedora team)
[02:12] <qdata> f20 initially looked promising but when I saw the trouble with akonadi and dbus I dumped it
[02:13] <cleary> that's a shame
[02:13] <qdata> how much of this is distro related and how much is KDE devs all moving en masse to qt5 and not spending enough quality time fixing things is hard to tell
[02:14] <qdata> all the latest stuff I looked at eg linux mint16, manjaro, fc20, etc all had problems which should have not allowed them to be branded as "release"
[02:15] <cleary> kde related?
[02:15] <cleary> ie were all the problems you saw kde related?
[02:15] <qdata> devs are spending way too much energy getting their ego strokes from "hey look at all the new features I invented" instead of focusing on quality
[02:16] <cleary> yeah, I understand that (and have been there)
[02:16] <qdata> well I hate and despise all things gnomish and have been a KDE're since about version 1.45 or so
[02:16] <cleary> I'm a notorious agnostic
[02:16] <qdata> but I see the quality in kde spiraling slowly down
[02:16] <qdata> it's a slow drift, but it's there
[02:17] <cleary> it's spiralling from a peak that happened after 4.0 though
[02:17] <qdata> I don't know a while lot about dbus, but I thought there was some kind of diagnostic utility available for it
[02:17] <qdata> the peak was 3.5.10
[02:17] <cleary> well, 4.0 wasn't so much lacking quality
[02:17] <cleary> it was lacking features
[02:18] <cleary> there's a qdbus prog you can query it with
[02:18] <qdata> and when I see reports of shaky desktop troubles that aren't exactly clear cut I think dbus
[02:18] <cleary> I'm learning a lot about it myself - it seems there's a system daemon and a session daemon
[02:19] <cleary> and it may be as simple as environment variables not being passed correctly
[02:19] <qdata> I'm a sysadmin by trade, not a dev per se, so al lot is over my head
[02:19] <cleary> but there's a complexity in there that I don't get
[02:19] <cleary> ^same
[02:19] <cleary> well, I sort of wear both hats
[02:20] <cleary> btw, the kerberos stuff is something new I'm investigating
[02:20] <qdata> characteristically in the past I recall most dbus related problems as being objects in OO land being 'out of phase'
[02:20] <cleary> new to me
[02:21] <qdata> enough dependencies around it were advanced, compiled, and somewhere an api mismatch happened
[02:22] <cleary> what do you think this means for 14.04?
[02:22] <qdata> don't know
[02:22] <cleary> is it something they're likely to throw resources at?
[02:22] <cleary> where does kubuntu even fit in the canonical community these days?
[02:23] <qdata> I wanted to get away from canonical anything, and I tried everything KDE reelated but kubuntu is still the best put together kde desktop currently
[02:23] <cleary> -> qdatix
[02:23] <cleary> :P
[02:23] <cleary> yapkdix (yet another personal kde distro)
[02:24] <cleary> funnily enough, this is not a personal choice for me
[02:25] <cleary> I'm building an in-house live distro for our desktops
[02:25] <cleary> s/building/I build
[02:25] <cleary> for my users, kde is the least disruptive DE in terms of interface paradigms they're familiar with
[02:25] <qdata> it took 10 years for the city of Munich to do that
[02:26] <qdata> well I'm a die-hard KDE person
[02:26] <cleary> fair enough, it's a good project
[02:26] <qdata> I do the mcse thing at work and when I get home last thing I want to see is windows
[02:26] <cleary> I'm notoriously agnostic there too :P
[02:27] <qdata> I'm a freebsd guy
[02:27] <cleary> typing this on win, work desktop is lin
[02:27] <cleary> mac/win/lin at home
[02:27] <cleary> "best tool for the job"
[02:27] <qdata> but made move to linux on the desktop box about 3 years ago; all servers are still freebsd
[02:27] <cleary> the bsds I will admit I've never looked at deeper than a cursory glance
[02:27] <qdata> need to use desktop not play around with it
[02:28] <qdata> freebsd is a better server
[02:28] <qdata> but maintaining a desktop on it you spend way too much time
[02:28] <cleary> in what areas do you mean better?
[02:28] <qdata> package management for desktop use is better in the linux world
[02:29] <qdata> I did not try linux as a server OS for a long time because there were no packages precompiled for the way I run my stuff
[02:29] <qdata> then ubuntu server started coming with what I needed so I tried it
[02:30] <qdata> was able to set up ubuntu server exactly the same as I do in freebsd and performance was definitely slower
[02:30] <cleary> I'm a fan of redhat on the server, but my skills with se linux etc aren't there
[02:31] <cleary> should do something about that, but time is heavily contended here ;)
[02:31] <qdata> I think if I had to choose a server path in linux world it would be rhel/CentOS way
[02:31] <cleary> did you see centos got brought under the RH family recently?
[02:32] <qdata> well, I'm aging out of the field
[02:32] <qdata> yup
[02:32] <qdata> I did
[02:32] <qdata> smart move on someone's part, imho
[02:32] <cleary> I agree
[02:33] <qdata> I'm 56 and started with computers back in the punch card/9 track tape days
[02:33] <cleary> heh
[02:34] <cleary> I'm 34 and started in 1999... when I started a Computer Science degree at uni
[02:34] <qdata> really, a hatred of computers is growing in me   :-)
[02:34] <cleary> I have a similar hatred :P
[02:34] <qdata> necessary evil I guess; it's how I make a living
[02:35] <cleary> you really should start your own distro
[02:35] <cleary> cement that hatred
[02:35] <qdata> lol
[02:35] <cleary> start a new career ;)
[02:35] <qdata> just hanging on 'till retire back to the farm
[02:36] <qdata> go back into the woods and never look at computers again...   but that's not truly realistic
[02:37] <qdata> me hungry, going to go get a late dinner I miised earlier
[02:37] <qdata> bbl
[02:37] <cleary> alright, I need to finish this config
[02:37] <cleary> and eat lunch
[02:37] <cleary> later
[04:45] <sunny_> how to add network printer
[05:14] <glennwhip> i have installed kubuntu 13.10 everything working fine. i added ppa repo for cinammon desktop installed everything, restart laptop and cinnamon won't load only the kubuntu (kde) desktop
[06:32] <roscareyes> Tired of niggers?
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[06:32] <roscareyes> AT Chimpout, we are NOT white supremacists!
[06:32] <roscareyes> I myself am a Mexican!
[06:32] <roscareyes> Basically, if you are not a NIGGER and you hate NIGGERS, we welcome you with open arms!
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[06:34] <lordievader> !ops
[06:34] <roscareyes> fuck you lordievader
[06:34] <roscareyes> you can't do shit
[06:34] <roscareyes> and there aren't any ops
[06:34] <roscareyes> what are you?
[06:34] <roscareyes> some nigger loving faggot?
[06:34] <roscareyes> you will never get rid of me
[06:35] <lordievader> Thanks IdleOne
[06:35] <IdleOne> sure thing. thank you
[06:59] <soryy708> Hello.
[06:59] <hateball> hello
[07:00] <soryy708> Something is weird with my Ubuntu running KDE.
[07:01] <soryy708> KDE-Plasma is run by KDM (ok.) but KDM is run by lightdm (wtf?)
[07:01] <soryy708> Oh, and kdm refuses to run on it's own (without lightdm)
[07:01] <soryy708> Anybody capable of explaining wtf is going on?
[07:02] <soryy708> Oh, and I have reason to believe that somewhere along the line KDE-Plasma doesn't get the priviliges it needs.
[07:26] <tan__> Всем, всем, всем привет!
[07:26] <Unit193> !ru
[08:26] <jargon> anybody using irssi with split windows on kubuntu? anytime i start up irssi,the split windows (which are saved to config) are there. when i go to another application and then come back, then split window is gone
[08:29] <valorie> sounds like something isn't reading the config
[08:30] <valorie> or over-writing it
[08:34] <jargon> valorie: that's weird. it's my first time on kubuntu,and i've been using this same config for past 2-3 years on gentoo,crunchbang,debian,mint,ubuntu :-/
[08:35] <valorie> just a guess; I've never used irssi?
[08:36] <jargon> let me see if it's a tmux issue. i'm using it inside tmux in konsole. brb
[08:36] <valorie> I've not heard of anyone else mentioning that problem here, though
[08:40] <jargon> ok seems it's tmux-related,just as i feared.
[08:42] <valorie> jargon: konsole can have tabs, if that helps
[08:42] <valorie> even yakuake can have multiple tabs/sessions
[09:18] <yossarianuk> sledgey: did you dd the wrong drive?
[09:19] <jargon> valorie: yeah it's a workflow issue for me. i'm so used to the Ctrl+Alt+<Num> key combo to switch between tmux windows. even though Konsole's Shift+<Arrow> is a shorter combo :-/
[09:20] <valorie> yeah
[09:21] <valorie> same reason I hate switching keyboards
[09:21] <valorie> typo city
[09:21] <adarmalik> hey folks, i have a "little" problem with my kubuntu. I am on ubuntu 12.04 and use the backports ppa. since kde 4.12 was rolled out my window decoration is gone. i can see that kde-workspace and kdm are still 4.11
[09:21] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: as one last attempt you could try to parted -> mktable from single mode (i.e in case disk was attempting to be mounted,..)
[09:21] <yossarianuk> did you choose msdos or gpt ?
[09:23] <yossarianuk> adarmalik: try sudo apt-get upadte && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:24] <yossarianuk> **sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade **
[09:24] <adarmalik> yossarianuk: ok, I'll try
[09:25] <adarmalik> it tells me it has nothing to due
[09:25] <yossarianuk> just see if any updates are there...
[09:25] <adarmalik> do
[09:25] <adarmalik> nope
[09:25] <yossarianuk> and you have the ppa still active?
[09:26] <adarmalik> i didn't deactivate it
[09:26] <adarmalik> how can i check?
[09:26] <yossarianuk> ok do
[09:26] <yossarianuk> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[09:26] <yossarianuk> then redo previous apt-get ucommands
[09:26] <yossarianuk> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:27] <adarmalik> didn't change anything
[09:27] <adarmalik> still nothing to upgrade
[09:55] <yossarianuk> adarmalik: check in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[09:55] <yossarianuk> make sure the kubuntu ppa is active
[09:56] <adarmalik> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu precise main
[09:56] <adarmalik> seems active
[09:57] <adarmalik> if ubuntu would only have something like zypper :(
[09:58] <yossarianuk> zypper is pants compared to apt imo....
[09:59] <adarmalik> i use suse at home and ubuntu at work, i prefer zypper but it might be personal taste
[09:59] <adarmalik> zypper lr
[09:59] <adarmalik> and i see what repositories i have and which are active and such
[10:00] <yossarianuk> can you give an example on a package stuck on the old version?
[10:00] <yossarianuk> ps - i'm actually on a OpenSUSE 13.1 desktop whilst talking to you now....
[10:00] <yossarianuk> (I use kubuntu @ home.)
[10:00] <yossarianuk> and i'm at work.
[10:01] <adarmalik> :)
[10:01] <adarmalik> ok, package is e.g. kdm
[10:01] <adarmalik> version is 4.11.3
[10:01] <yossarianuk> ok - perhaps because by default lightdm is used ?
[10:02] <adarmalik> yes
[10:02] <yossarianuk> any other packages?
[10:02] <adarmalik> kde-workspace
[10:02] <adarmalik> also 4.11.3
[10:02] <yossarianuk> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kde-workspace/
[10:03] <yossarianuk> there is no 4.12 package
[10:03] <yossarianuk> maybe ask in #kubuntu-devel
[10:03] <adarmalik> ok, thanks :)
[10:04] <adarmalik> i currently use kde/openbox to be able to work
[10:04] <yossarianuk> maybe its an old package...
[10:04] <yossarianuk> i.e
[10:04] <yossarianuk> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/kde-workspace
[10:04] <yossarianuk> even i trusty they only have 4.11
[10:04] <yossarianuk> *in*
[10:05] <adarmalik> yes might be not related at all
[10:05] <adarmalik> but why my window decorations are gone?
[10:05] <yossarianuk> can you do win --replace
[10:05] <yossarianuk> on a command line?
[10:05] <yossarianuk> sorry
[10:05] <yossarianuk> kwin --replace
[10:06] <adarmalik> there is no kwin
[10:06] <adarmalik> only kwinactive
[10:06] <yossarianuk> you as a normal user?
[10:06] <yossarianuk> not root?
[10:06] <adarmalik> both for same
[10:06] <adarmalik> same for both
[10:06] <adarmalik> aww
[10:08] <yossarianuk> can yuo get to system settings ?
[10:09] <adarmalik> and what to do there?
[10:09] <yossarianuk> go to default applications
[10:09] <adarmalik> ok
[10:09] <yossarianuk> -> window Manager
[10:10] <adarmalik> kwin
[10:10] <adarmalik> it's use default window manager (kwin)
[10:10] <yossarianuk> not sure then sorry ...
[10:10] <yossarianuk> ask in the devel room
[10:10] <adarmalik> is it normal that no kwin is there?
[10:10] <yossarianuk> try a reboot (if you haven;t)
[10:10] <yossarianuk> no
[10:10] <adarmalik> did already :/
[10:11] <adarmalik> ok, thanks
[10:11] <adarmalik> i'll try at devel
[10:11] <yossarianuk> are you using nvidia ?
[10:11] <adarmalik> intel
[10:11] <yossarianuk> in desktop effects -> Advanced - check the opengl version your using?
[10:12] <adarmalik> opengl2
[10:12] <adarmalik> qt=raster
[10:12] <yossarianuk> should be o.k.
[10:13] <yossarianuk> if you get no where I would logout of kdm - login via console
[10:13] <yossarianuk> and move your .kde directory
[10:13] <yossarianuk> then re-login and see if win decorations aere there
[10:13] <yossarianuk> or
[10:13] <yossarianuk> even better
[10:13] <yossarianuk> add a new user
[10:14] <yossarianuk> and login with that (i.e so its the first time the user has logged in)
[10:14] <adarmalik> tried it already :(
[10:18] <adarmalik> yossarianuk: @kubuntu-devel they suggested to reinstall the desktop: apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[10:18] <adarmalik> I'll try :)
[10:20] <yossarianuk> cool
[10:21] <adarmalik> worked :D
[10:21] <adarmalik> kwin is back
[10:30] <Blinky_>  Hi guys, could someone please tell me how to set the permissions on my /var/www directory so that new adding files can be seen on the website?
[10:45] <dp_> hello
[10:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:05] <dp_> hi, how can i help.
[11:08] <BluesKaj> no need atm
[11:08] <BluesKaj> dp_, but thanks
 just let me know when you need....:-)
[11:18] <BluesKaj> !systemd
[11:35] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: did you still have no joy with your USB stick?
[11:36] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, looks like it's toast
[11:37] <dbrom> hello all
[11:38] <dbrom> How do I go about adding a line to the end of my source.list
[11:38] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: boo
[11:38] <yossarianuk> did you try to make a msdos table?
[11:38] <yossarianuk> (you mentioned it hung - did you check syslog/dmesg?)
[11:39] <hateball> dbrom: open it in your text editor of choice and edit it?
[11:39] <hateball> dbrom: What is it you are looking to achieve?
[11:39] <dbrom> I know that I need to do in inside a script
[11:40] <hateball> dbrom: echo whatever >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:40] <dbrom> ok thanks
[11:40] <hateball> why not create a new file under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ instead tho?
[12:41] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, there's no error in /var/log/syslog, the usb stick is detected etc but that's all.
[15:14] <jinglescafe> I updated, and my firefox will not work.
[15:14] <jinglescafe> please help
[15:17] <yossarianuk> jinglescafe: have you updated a fair few packages?
[15:18] <yossarianuk> jinglescafe: try rebooting if you haven;t already
[15:18] <hateball> He is no longer with us
[15:18] <yossarianuk> jinglescafe: if you have already rebooted try the following
[15:18] <hateball> Or she, as it may well be
[15:18] <yossarianuk> ah yes....
[15:19] <yossarianuk> if only irc rooms changed the colour of people who have left the room (on the main message area)...
[15:19] <hateball> I don't know how you manage to tab-complete someone not in channel, what sort of client does that
[15:32] <rberg> 12.04 is getting the 3.11 kernel, nifty
[15:35] <rberg> I am excited for ssd trim support on software raid
[15:37] <excognac> hi is there any easy and fast way to copy a dvd-film into and .iso file? dd or devede or k3b?
[16:09] <dbrom> try ffmpeg
[16:10] <dbrom> I have a problm with a restore script
[16:13] <dbrom> what I want to do is run the script from the client and then execute rsync from the server to the client
[16:58] <Walex> dbrom: thanks for letting us know!
[17:02] <fabio123> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319384
[17:03] <lordievader> Good evening.
[17:57] <BluesKaj> hey lordievader, what's up ?
[18:10] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Doing good, trying to debug why an upstart session job doesn't start on login.
[18:10] <lordievader> BluesKaj: How are you doing?
[18:11] <rberg> anybody ever hear of kmail marking read emails unread after checking for new mail? I keep getting 12,000 old emails marked unread.. super annoying
[18:18] <BluesKaj> lordievader, doing fine, finally managed to get VB installed with W7 as guest, seems to be working fine this time around
[18:23] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Nice ;)
[18:28] <aleksejs_> Hi, could you help me with enabling microphone on my asus x550c?
[18:45] <LucidGuy> Using kubuntu, performed apt-get dist-upgrade.  System attempted to upgrade to the newest nvidia- driver.  All seemed to go well, restarted, all is not ok.  I've purged all nvidia packages back and forth numerous times and can't seem to get things back to normal. lsmod no longer shows nvidia as installed.  I see a module called "video" looks like nouveau.  Anyone know how i can properly re-install nvidia drivers?
[18:51] <genii> LucidGuy: I'd suggest: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic linux-source dkms    .....then after this: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current
[18:55] <LucidGuy> genii, I've done that .. nvidia-settings never gives me the configuration settings I want .. lost dual screen settings ..
[18:57] <LucidGuy> genii, Just reinstall kubuntu-desktop .. and now trying a reinstall of nvidia-current .. urg
[18:57] <LucidGuy> Driving me nuts
[18:58] <genii> LucidGuy: nvidia driver needs the packages i mentioned earlier installed first ( the headers, source, and dkms. Also build-essential but that should be installed)
[18:59] <LucidGuy> genii, I have all of those
[19:01] <BluesKaj> LucidGuy, there is the additional drivers as well, which gives other options besides the default nvidia-current
[19:02] <LucidGuy> Done, All looks good.  But nvidia-settings comes up but no GPU info, and I can't do much with it.  lsmod show no nvidia module.
[19:02] <BluesKaj> most likely needs a reboot
[19:03] <LucidGuy> BluesKaj, this is after a reboot
[19:03] <genii> LucidGuy: But yet lsmod shows no nvidia driver.
[19:03] <LucidGuy> genii, correct
[19:03] <genii> LucidGuy: The usual case is that it has to now blacklist the nouveau, this requires a reboot
[19:03] <BluesKaj> did the nvidia splash screen show for a split second
[19:04] <LucidGuy> I have libkwinnvidiahack4, nvidia-304, nvidia-common, nvidia-current, nvidia-settings
[19:04] <LucidGuy> BluesKaj, It did not.  It never did even when the nvidia drivers worked fine.
[19:04] <BluesKaj> LucidGuy, what's the gpu ?
[19:04] <BluesKaj> model
[19:05] <LucidGuy> Geforece GTX780
[19:05] <genii> LucidGuy: You have nomodeset in /etc/default/grub and did sudo update-grub   ...?
[19:06] <genii> Meh, work. AFK
[19:06] <LucidGuy> genii, I did not do update-grub .. and I don't know what nomodeset
[19:08] <LucidGuy> This is a sad day for Ubuntu .. performed an update and ruined my system, may be forced to reinstall
[19:09] <genii> !nomodeset
[19:09] <BluesKaj> LucidGuy, your gpu should use the 331.20
[19:10]  * genii runs back to work
[19:10] <LucidGuy> BluesKaj, It was working perfectly without
[19:14] <LucidGuy> I think the problem has something to do with the fact that the nvidia module is never listed with lsmod.  lsmod shows the "video" module as installed.
[19:14] <genii> LucidGuy: Do these commands output anything: sudo updatedb &&locate nvidia|grep ko | grep $(uname -r)
[19:15] <genii> The first one takes a while
[19:15] <LucidGuy> genii, one sec .. system is restarting
[19:16] <melkor> How well does gimp and inkscape work with kubuntu?
[19:19] <LucidGuy> genii, yes I see the nvidia.ko modules specfic for my kernel
[19:20] <LucidGuy> genii, question is how do I tell Xorg to use them.
[19:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> Hmm... maybe with a conf file? I don't have a problem nvidia gpu. So, I can't say with impunity.
[19:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> I did have to make a conf for the intel gpu on this laptop.
[19:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> Today's xorg updates seemed to remedy that.
[19:23] <LucidGuy> genii, I see the nvidia.ko files
[19:24] <LucidGuy> Lets try install nvidia-331 .. urg
[19:27] <BluesKaj> Poisoned_Dragon, yeah I was using the mesa-dri-experimental driver, but now it's no longer needed on 14.04 for 3d and dri
[19:27] <BluesKaj> along with the intel i915
[19:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> Thankfully I didn't need the experimental ones. Still, the update "broke" my glx. Then I removed the conf file and all was well. :)
[19:28] <BluesKaj> mesa-experimental module rather
[19:29] <BluesKaj> no xconf here
[19:29] <Poisoned_Dragon> I use conf files on xorg.conf.d. A bit more elegant.
[19:31] <LucidGuy> and now its worse
[19:31] <LucidGuy> omg, so sad.  Been using Ubuntu for years, never seen this happen.
[19:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> :(
[19:32] <LucidGuy> Module files seem to be there .. but module is not loading.  reset xorg.conf file does nothing.  Now I seem to have horrible blurry resolution.  Thanks Ubuntu
[19:34] <BluesKaj> LucidGuy, run sudo nvidia-xconfig
[19:36] <melkor> What does the + and - mean when I hove over icons in Dolphin?
[19:37] <lordievader> melkor: Add to selection and remove from selection.
[19:37] <melkor> Great thank you.
[19:39] <LucidGuy> BluesKaj, thats what causes the horrible output.
[19:39] <sanzante> melkor: so you can add and remove form selection without using  CTRL
[19:39] <LucidGuy> If I remove the xorg.conf Its decent, but only one monitor and obviously the nvidia driver is actually not being used.
[19:40] <melkor> Odd, I guild a module for my touchpad. Then I could install it with insmod. I removed it, then I tried to install it again and it says 'invalid format' I rebuilt the module and I could install it again.
[19:45] <melkor> I haven't installed yet, I am running from the USB drive. Will I get an option where to put my home directory when I install. I am finaly going to wipe out the windows partition.
[19:46] <LucidGuy> Should I attempt to reinstall X?
[19:46] <LucidGuy> I would pay for a solution to this... I'm a very unhappy person.
[19:47]  * LucidGuy laughs
[19:47] <LucidGuy> The module is simply not being installed, regardless if which one I install.
[19:48] <Newbie> hello guyzzz
[19:48] <Guest37457> i need your help
[19:48] <melkor> LucidGuy: is there already an nvidia module install?
[19:49] <_Newbie> I've installed skype on my Kubuntu 13.10 x64 and I it looks very ugly
[19:50] <_Newbie> What should I do to fix that?
[19:50] <LucidGuy> melkor, You would think so, I've tried via apt-get, reports no errors.  I can see the nvidia.ko files .. but lsmod does not show it.
[19:51] <_Newbie> I think that I need oxygen 32 libs, but I don't know how to install them throw apt-get
[19:51] <melkor> LucidGuy: did you uninstall the opensource ones?
[19:51] <LucidGuy> opensource ones? Nouveua?
[19:51] <melkor> LucidGuy: or are those the ones you are installing?
[19:52] <melkor> LucidGuy: Probably Nouveua, I do no use nvidia
[19:52] <BluesKaj> LucidGuy, run this in the terminal to see which driver is in use, lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 vga
[19:54] <_Newbie> can anybody helps me?
[19:55] <melkor> _Newbie: there isn't much todo. You can check if skype can change the theme to a native theme. Are you on a 64bit os?
[19:55] <_Newbie> yea, i'm
[19:56] <LucidGuy> BluesKaj, I see a lot from that command.
[19:56] <melkor> _Newbie: how did you install skype?
[19:56] <_Newbie> from ppa repository
[19:56] <_Newbie> canonial partners
[19:57] <BluesKaj> LucidGuy, look for, Kernel driver in use
[19:57] <LucidGuy> BluesKaj, after Kernel modules: I see a bunch of nvidia_XXX versions I've attempted .. including nouveau, and nvidiafb.  Does not indicate which is in use
[20:01] <BluesKaj> LucidGuy, what about, dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[20:01] <LucidGuy> BluesKaj, That will list all the nvidia-xxx packages I've attempted.  including -current
[20:02] <BluesKaj> not necessarily
[20:03] <LucidGuy> BluesKaj, ?? .. I see many packages I've attempted. for example nvidia-304 and nvidia-current and nvidia-331 nvidia-settings
[20:04] <lordievader> LucidGuy: Could you pastebin the output of "dpkg --get-selections|grep nvidia"
[20:06] <LucidGuy> paste.ubuntu.com/6887239/
[20:06] <LucidGuy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6887239/
[20:07] <LucidGuy> Not sure why common shows purge .. its installed
[20:08] <LucidGuy> reinstalled -common .. no longer listed as purge
[20:08] <lordievader> LucidGuy: My two cents: the problem might lie in having multiple versions of the driver installed or common not being installed.
[20:09] <BluesKaj> LucidGuy,ok,  sudo apt-get install nvidia-331
[20:09] <LucidGuy> lordievader, This is all due to me troubleshooting .. not the initial cause
[20:09] <lordievader> LucidGuy: But it might now be the reason that the driver fails to load.
[20:09] <LucidGuy> BluesKaj, that is in the list of installed packages
[20:10] <LucidGuy> Ok .. performing --reinstall on nvidia-331
[20:10] <LucidGuy> Ill bet anything it will not work.  Something more serious is wrong. I think.
[20:11] <LucidGuy> And of course I have to leave in 10 minutes .. grr
[20:11] <LucidGuy> Rebooting system for good luck after the reinstall of 311
[20:11] <LucidGuy> Before I forget I want to thank everyone for the advice/tips
[20:12] <BluesKaj> LucidGuy, the list shows the installable drivers , not the installed ones
[20:13] <LucidGuy> Restart .. same.  lsmod shows no nvidia module
[20:13] <LucidGuy> and nvidia-settings gives me no options.. lets generate an xorg.conf file
[20:14] <lordievader> LucidGuy: Can you give the output of "dpkg --get-selections|grep nvidia" again.
[20:14] <lordievader> ?
[20:15] <LucidGuy> lordievader, nothing has changed
[20:15] <LucidGuy> just reinstalled 311
[20:16]  * BluesKaj sighs
[20:16] <LucidGuy> btw nvidia-xconfig .. restarted kdm .. and horrible resolotion with poor font, can't read.  Have to remove xorg.conf file and restart to get anywhere
[20:17] <lordievader> LucidGuy: Try my advice, remove all the installed drivers and install one after that.
[20:17] <LucidGuy> BluesKaj, I know .. its bullshit .. i've never seen this.  I maintain a lab of 100 Ubuntu 10.04s and nothing like like this.
[20:17] <lordievader> LucidGuy: And restart after removing.
[20:17] <LucidGuy> remove everything .. restart . .then install?
[20:18] <LucidGuy> Quesiton is .. what do I install first .. nvidia-current or straight to nvidia-331
[20:18] <BluesKaj> 331
[20:19] <LucidGuy> I believe 331 is what caused all of this...
[20:20] <BluesKaj> I'm running 331, on much less capable gpu than yours
[20:21] <LucidGuy> What version is -current then?
[20:21] <lordievader> !info nvidia-current
[20:21] <BluesKaj> which kubuntu OS, LucidGuy ?
[20:22] <LucidGuy> BluesKaj, 12.04
[20:22] <lordievader> !info nvidia-current precise
[20:23] <rohan> this page was announced on the devel mailing list: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-12.04.4 -- but it's inaccessible
[20:23] <LucidGuy> ok .. everything purged via dpkg .. rebooting.  Will try installing 331 tomorrow.  Thanks again everyone.
[20:23] <BluesKaj> ok , maybe 331 is a bit much for 12.04, i assumed you had a more recent OS
[20:23] <LucidGuy> Ill be online tomorrow bitching some more probably .. heh
[20:24] <LucidGuy> BluesKaj, It's a lab need an LTS
[20:24] <BluesKaj> ok :)
[20:24] <lordievader> !info nvidia-331 precise
[20:24] <lordievader> !info nvidia-331
[20:25] <LucidGuy> !info libkwinnvidiahack4
[20:25]  * lordievader nvidia is strange
[20:26] <BluesKaj> Geforce GTX780 is a hi-end gpu. it needs an advanced driver afaik
[20:30] <BluesKaj> looks like he might need the xorg-edgers repository, lordievader
[20:31] <BluesKaj> https://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=25543&start=30
[20:32] <lordievader> BluesKaj: edgers is a bit anti-LTS. But yes a recent driver is probably usefull. Also not having multiple versions installed will help, I think.
[20:34] <BluesKaj> yup
[20:36] <rohan> what's the newest nvidia that 12.04 has?
[21:06] <varaug> keep forgetting to ask, did anyone's title bar buttons (minimise & maximise) get spaced further away from the close icon after changing your themes?
[21:12] <genii> varaug: Not here
[21:12] <bradlee> my kubuntu very slow not sure how to make it faster
[21:12] <bradlee> firefox freezes
[21:13] <bradlee> so I start firefox in safe mode now
[21:15] <genii> bradlee: If it runk OK in safe mode, gradually enable add-ons until you find the culprit.
[21:16] <genii> bradlee: What sort of CPU, amount of RAM, hard drive space, etc you have?
[21:16] <bradlee> sometimes when I am on firefox and click on one of programs in task manager it takes over one minute to switch
[21:16] <bradlee> I am checking now I think I have 1 gig only ram
[21:16] <genii> Probably low ram and it's swapping like nuts
[21:16] <genii> bradlee: I'd say that't probably your problem there, then....
[21:17] <bradlee> So I need more than 1 gig ram to run kubuntu
[21:18] <bradlee> I had a larger machine but the power supply died maybe I should swap out the ram
[21:18] <genii> bradlee: It will run on what you have but it's on the extreme lower end. The more the better of course. Also if you have a drive or partition for swap, make sure the drive is as fast as you can put in
[21:19] <bradlee> Whats the bestway to I determine drive speed?
[21:19] <bradlee> software?
[21:20] <bradlee> I have an amd athlon 64 4000 cpu
[21:21] <stmsgebjgd> bradlee: how many ram do you have?
[21:21] <bradlee> 1gb
[21:21] <stmsgebjgd> bradlee: xfce, lxde
[21:21] <stmsgebjgd> bradlee: just forget about kde
[21:22] <bradlee> does that mean reinstall or can I just switch desktops?
[21:22] <stmsgebjgd> bradlee: just install the xfce or lxde and switch it
[21:22] <bradlee> which is lighter xfce lxde?
[21:22] <bradlee> or are they the same?
[21:22] <pietro10> Hi. Is there a way I can increase the font size of VTs?
[21:23] <genii> bradlee: I'd also recommend going to a lighter desktop. You can install the default package of xubuntu-desktop for XFCE, or lubuntu-desktop for LXDE. LXDE is lightest
[21:23] <stmsgebjgd> bradlee: lxde
[21:23] <bradlee> okay
[21:24] <genii> bradlee: If you install only the package lxde or xfce, it will not install the applications which each *buntu team has chosen for their derivative. This is why I recommend the xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop package
[21:27] <bradlee> thanks doing that now
[21:28] <sgp667> hey guy I'm a noob at linux can someove tell how can I find out in bash the name of my external drive? Like the internal is /dev/sda
[21:29] <BluesKaj> bet he has file indexer / nepomuk running , which eats some resources
[21:30] <BluesKaj> sgp667, sudo fdisk -l
[21:31] <pietro10> Is there a way I can increase the font size of VTs (control+alt+[1-6])?
[21:31] <genii> sgp667: If you just plugged it in, then: dmesg|tail     ...should also say
[21:31] <sgp667> Thanks BluesKaj
[21:34] <stmsgebjgd> pietro10: you should xterm
[21:34] <pietro10> yes I already do, but in the event I need to switch
[21:35] <pietro10> for instnace, if X11 isn't responding due to some busy task and I need to kill it
[21:35] <stmsgebjgd> pietro10: that is not normal
[21:35] <genii> pietro10: I believe setfont can do it, but maybe check the manpage for it or look online for examples
[21:36] <pietro10> genii: thanks
[21:37] <genii> pietro10: The fonts themselves are in /usr/share/consolefonts/ and with numbers in ther names which indicates their sizes
[21:38] <pietro10> is there a way to get the current font? it doesn't seem to be possible with setfont
[21:40] <rberg> you can set the console frame buffer resolution at boot from the kernel command line in grub if you want higher resolution, the differences in the way video cards work will make it hard to advise on though
[21:41] <genii> pietro10: showcfont , but you may need to install that first
[21:42] <genii> ( package is console-tools )
[21:42] <pietro10> ...if such package existed
[21:43] <genii> !info console-tools
[21:43] <genii> Hm.
[21:43] <genii> pietro10: Are you on 14.04 ?
[21:43] <pietro10> yes
[21:43] <pietro10> that would probably explain it
[21:43] <genii> Yup
[21:43] <pietro10> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/console-tools
[21:43] <pietro10> (13.10 had issues for me that 14.04 didn't)
[21:44] <pietro10> oh it seems to have been discontinued, that's why
[21:44] <pietro10> heh
[21:45] <pietro10> I'll change my font another time, thanks anyway though
[22:22] <pietro10> hm
[22:22] <pietro10> so I set up gtk styles with kde-config-gtk, but fonts are clearly not using the font renderer used by the rest of the system - how do I fix this?
[22:23] <pietro10> now in the GUI this time