[01:44] <trinode> hey, I think something's seriously borked
[01:45] <trinode> a package has resulted in "too many levels of symbolic links" for virutally every command, and an unbootable system
[01:45] <trinode> any ideas what it could be?
[02:40] <arielsanflo> help
[02:40] <arielsanflo> gnome-shell
[02:41] <k1l> gnome-shell will not help you :)
[02:43] <arielsanflo> I do not work correctly when trying to enter the applications that I have install and look for me is half
[02:44] <arielsanflo> my english is so so
[02:44] <arielsanflo> after updating the national problem
[02:45] <arielsanflo> when I find some application in flash and comes back on gnome-shell
[02:46] <arielsanflo> help please
[10:32] <trinode> hey, timezones are confusing me, how long until the next ubuntu gnome daily build?
[10:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:18] <sandGorgon> does anyone know how to install systemd in ubuntu 14.04 ? I'm not able to find a suitable ppa or anythin
[11:20] <bazhang> !find systemd
[11:21] <bazhang> seems to be some packages ^
[11:23] <BluesKaj> sandGorgon, there are some elements of systemd already installed on 14.04, but Kubuntu isn't fullly commited to systemd yet, afaik
[11:24] <BluesKaj> or ubuntu
[11:36] <sandGorgon> BluesKaj, i'm running on a VM - any chance there is a ppa that provides systemd ?
[11:37] <BluesKaj> sandGorgon, what makes you want systemd at this early stage ?
[11:38] <sandGorgon> BluesKaj, I'm actually building containers on top of systemd - I wanted to see if they work with 14.04 .
[11:40] <BluesKaj> sandGorgon, the version available I can find is for 13.10, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd
[11:41] <sandGorgon> BluesKaj, yup me me too. Even the ppa:ondrej/systemd doesnt have Trusty packages.
[11:42] <BluesKaj> sandGorgon, it's a bit early methinks, you could ask in #ubuntu-devel
[11:43] <glitsj16> sandGorgon: the page BluesKaj linked to has a section on the bottom for trusty, you'll have to manually download all the debs but they are there
[11:50] <BluesKaj> glitsj16, yeah that looks too much like work for an unknown result
[11:53] <glitsj16> BluesKaj: sandGorgon: i see just now that tyey are the same packages that are already in the trusty repos, sorry for the confusion
[11:54] <glitsj16> BluesKaj: true, as ubuntu is fully committed to upstart it won't be easy to get full support for systemd anyway
[11:57] <BluesKaj> glitsj16, I read somewhere that initd was going to be replaced by systemd eventually
[11:57] <BluesKaj> on ubuntu
[12:00] <glitsj16> BluesKaj: really? interesting
[12:01] <glitsj16> BluesKaj: if you happen to find a link to that, that would be very helpfull .. i'm trying to put a small forums sticky together on upstart
[12:11] <sandGorgon> BluesKaj, I dont think so - Shuttleworth has full support behind upstart and in fact from the way the debian voting is going, it looks likely that the mothership will adopt upstart as well
[12:13] <sandGorgon> the debian irc channels have turned real ugly - just five minutes ago someone logs on with a nick called "F***_Systemd" (I put the stars - not him !) and started screaming obscenities. this has been going for a while now.
[12:13] <k1l_> sandGorgon: i would not bet on a decision in the near future
[12:13] <k1l_> sandGorgon: the same user got banned in the ubuntu channel, too
[12:14] <sandGorgon> k1l_, true - but the votes there added up in upstarts favor before it got cancelled
[12:14] <k1l_> sandGorgon: again: it will take long time until they even find a voting system that will fit everyones need. so relax on that topic
[12:15] <k1l_> and there is a lot of politics on that vote that we as user cant influence anyway.
[12:15] <BluesKaj> sandGorgon, perhaps it was Kubuntu that i was reading about adopting systemd. I'll have to ask in kubuntu-devel
[12:16] <sandGorgon> oh - not really worrying here. it's a case study of decision making in the open source world - very interesting.
[12:17] <glitsj16> sandGorgon: in the context of that it might not be a bad idea to start looking into upstart for your containers project (if you haven't already)
[12:19] <k1l_> BluesKaj: well kde and gnome dont like ubuntu/canonical. both desktops have made the paths to the systemd-wayland solution already. so there should be a systemd-ubuntu base when these desktops go heavy on the systemd depencies
[12:19] <sandGorgon> glitsj16, <noflamewar> unfortunately systemd is unbeatable there - the leverage over cgroups and everything is miles ahead of upstart </noflamewar>
[12:21] <sandGorgon> k1l_, I'm actually hoping (and willing to contribute to any funding) for that. Gnome has jumped all on the systemd bandwagon. I think in a few months time, they are going to leverage systemd-kdbus-X11 for non-root X Windows. I really hope there is someone willing to take on a systemd-ubuntu distro
[12:21] <glitsj16> sandGorgon: i'm not into flamewarring either, no worries .. it just might be a lot of work for nothing when you're looking to use it on vanilla ubuntu
[12:22] <sandGorgon> glitsj16, sigh... ur right. that leaves just debian
[12:22] <k1l_> sandGorgon: the ubuntu flavours like kubuntu, gnomebuntu will need some power to maintain systemd and wayland in the future to ship their desktops. if you are interested ask them directly where they need help with that
[12:23] <k1l_> the main ubuntu will focus on upstart and mir for the near future.
[12:23] <BluesKaj> k1l_, kubuntu has gone it's own way dev wise , so a commitment to a faster session/start system might be in theworks, but atm the kubuntu devs say they'll  "go with whatever upstream KDE decides"
[12:25] <k1l_> BluesKaj: yes and we know what upstream decided
[12:27] <BluesKaj> k1l_, the implication the devs seem to give is that there 's no firm decision on the matter yet.
[12:30] <BluesKaj> personally , arch didn't do much for me, there wasn't anything faster thatI could detect, booting or loading apps
[12:54] <k1l_> how much gnome will be in the unity8?
[12:56] <k1l_> i mean its based on mir and upstart. that is both not working with gnome. and since its supposed to have the same codebase likt ubuntu-touch, how much gnome will be left there, even needed?
[13:28] <roasted> Question - my buddy ran a command that he forgets at this point, but somehow lsb-release is saying he's on 14.04. Is there a command that a user can type in terminal to upgrade to the latest (even alpha) state of Ubuntu?
[13:29] <TJ-> 14.04 is the development version
[13:29] <roasted> yes I know
[13:29] <roasted> he installed 12.04 a while back and was trying to fix some sort of wireless issue
[13:30] <roasted> he ran a command with && and force in it that he found on the forums. But now lsb-release says 14.04
[13:30] <roasted> so clearly he ran a command that probably wasn't the best to do since now his FOG instance is broken, but for my own sanity I wanted to see if a command like this really exists.
[13:31] <roasted> I know you can upgrade to a newer release via terminal but I wasn't sure if that included the latest Ubuntu even if it's in apha state.
[13:33] <TJ-> roasted: I'd guess the command was "do-release-upgrade -d"
[13:34] <roasted> TJ-: the -d being development?
[13:34] <roasted> (guessing)
[13:34] <Daekdroom> yes
[13:34] <roasted> alright
[13:34] <roasted> thank you guys. I had no idea you could upgrade to a dev build like that
[13:34] <TJ-> roasted: Yes; from "man do-release-upgrade: "-d, --devel-release              Check if upgrading to the latest devel release is possible"
[13:36] <roasted> awesome. thanks again.
[13:38] <roasted> TJ-: oddly enough when I asked him if he ran that command, he said "I think so... but I definitely remember the -d"
[13:38] <roasted> ha! bingo.
[13:39] <TJ-> It terrifies me that folks do things like that and "don't remember" - the implications are terrifying... makes me wonder if they'll drive their car over a cliff just because there's road markings!
[13:40] <roasted> TJ-: Linux assumes you know what you're doing. This guy isn't a frequent Linux user. He's using it to image Windows systems at work using FOG. He was having wireless issues and went ahead with a random forum post to try to fix it.
[13:40] <roasted> TJ-: then asked me when it took a dump. :P
[13:40] <TJ-> roasted: You could check the shell history for his user account, there may be other illuminating clues
[13:40] <roasted> TJ-: ah true
[18:00] <soee> is it possible to have 2 separate accounts/sessions where each by default uses different gpu when using nvidia-prime ?
[19:19] <melkor> Greetings, what version of mesa comes with 14.04?
[19:21] <melkor> okay the bootable usb is done, Ill just restart and see what I got.
[19:22] <BluesKaj> melter, version 8.1.0-2
[19:22] <BluesKaj> great, he left
[19:23] <BluesKaj> melter, disregard that post, it was mean'
[19:23] <BluesKaj> t for melkor
[19:50] <melkor> So my touchpad doesn't get recognized. This is something of an old problem, with a fix floating around. What can I do to improve the odds of this being included in a kernel?
[20:40] <obsidian> Anyone else using 14.04 having trouble using Mozilla (Thunderbird, Firefox)? When I try to launch the apps nothing happens.
[20:40] <bekks> Works fine here.
[20:41] <obsidian> Hmm..
[20:41] <obsidian> I wonder, is there a Mozilla log file that could help me troubleshoot the problem?