[00:49] so windy outside [00:51] need a new series to watch hm === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:54] everyone sleeping? [01:01] cant figure out this openVPn thing..it drops connection on iOS pause (network unavaliable)_ but its not i can discnnect/reconnect immediately [01:01] it doesnt even make sense :D it seems to lose connection ..openvpn ios app will say pause (network unavliable) even though my server is up and i can reconnect..but get this..its done that and i cant access the net..but im getting whatsapp notifications? wich needs net..when i go on whatsapp it cant connect [01:27] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-26059644 [01:42] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=I7_HY2NKkD4#t=88 [05:33] pip pip [06:07] oooh... I spy, with my little eye, 1 little... err.. popey :D === [1]MooDoo is now known as MooDoo === bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm [06:59] <[1]MooDoo> morning all [07:02] yawn! === stuphi_away is now known as stuphi === stuphi is now known as stuphi_away [07:34] \o [07:34] o/ [07:34] \o/ [07:34] morning you two [07:35] morning MooDoo [07:36] what is everyone having for breakfast today? [07:36] coffee [07:36] Ive got Tea, rye bread with butter, cheese and vegemite... [07:37] and some yoghurt (not on the rye bread) [07:37] :D [07:37] sounds lovely [07:37] jussi, how was fosdem? [07:37] MooDoo: no idea, wasnt there [07:38] ah hmmm wonder why i thought you went lol [07:38] jussi, ah one of the speakers was a jussi, i added 2+2 and got 10 [07:39] MooDoo: in finland, jussi is about as popular as john is in the UK [07:39] that explains that then [08:26] morning boys and girls. [08:27] \o brobostigon [08:27] morning MartijnVdS [08:27] hello brobostigon [08:28] morning MooDoo [08:31] moar tea!! [08:31] :) [08:32] * brobostigon points at his mouth and says "insert coffee here, please." [08:37] foooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood [08:37] breakkie [08:39] brobostigon: whats for brekkie? [08:39] buttered toast [08:40] no vegemite? :D [08:40] no [08:40] * jussi grins [08:41] yuck.....now bovril on the other hand ;) [08:41] my wife cant understand why I like vegemite... [08:43] jussi, it's coz your nuts? [08:44] MooDoo: maybe... I am an aussie... [08:50] hrm... you know how android has each program in its own sandbox/user? would it be impractical to do that on linux? does it already exist? [08:52] its already done, for things like apache and those kinds of things. [08:54] Good morning all; happy Busby Babes Day! :-) [08:56] hello JamesTait [09:06] Good morning peeps :) [09:09] MooDoo, o/ [09:21] brobostigon: yeah, Ive seen it for somethings, like apache, like openerp. but what about desktop apps? [09:22] it should be possible, i dont see why not. [09:22] would it be useful do you think? would it add security ? [09:23] possibly for things like chrome or FF, however chrome sandboxes its tabs already in that way. [09:23] Anybody here using nvidia-331 with nvidia-prime and get this bug 1276816 ? [09:23] bug 1276816 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-331 (Ubuntu) "Unable to select Intel in PRIME Profiles within nvidia-settings" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1276816 [09:35] I'm guessing not [09:36] didn't you uninstall it? [09:37] davmor2: convinced me to give it another try [09:38] This is the sort of fun we get up to at our fortnightly LUG meetings in the pub [09:39] if android has a sandbox, how can certain apps crash my phone? [09:41] do you give them root, foobarry? [09:41] also, which apps? === stuphi_away is now known as stuphi [09:45] no dwatkins [09:46] twitter, adobe reader, [09:46] maybe the phone got bored waiting for something to happen [09:47] "All stop errors due to problems with NTFS or FAT have encoded in their first parameter the source file and the line number within the source file that generated the stop error. The high 16 bits (the first four hexadecimal digits after 0x) identify the source file number, and the lower 16 bits (the last four hexadecimal digits of the parameter) identify the source line in the file where the stop occurred." [09:47] anyone know how to find the file name from a stop error? [09:49] brother has a 0x24 BSOD when he tries to boot windows [09:51] it's shown on the BSOD [09:52] iirc there's an app which will recreate the screen based on the dump file it created, can't remember what it's called, though [09:53] here it is, foobarry - http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html [09:53] handy [09:53] except pc won't boot :( [09:53] oh bah [09:53] even in safe mode? [09:53] nope [09:53] it's hosed, then [09:54] needs a chkdsk [09:54] perhaps it was just that the disk failed [09:54] he has kids [09:54] so i'm thinking maybe corrupt fs. [09:54] http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=228888&sd=RMVP [09:56] seems logical - the presence of a child's magnetic field can easily corrupt any hard disk if the child is supplied with enough biscuits and milk. [09:58] http://ubuntuone.com/3TS5gzkt4XNSLCj6v7gnKF [09:59] do you have a CD to hand which you can do a repair installation from, foobarry? [09:59] i.e. OS install CD [09:59] i was gonna text him to ask that. [09:59] wonder if ubuntu can fix it [10:00] i have access to wixp disks somewhere [10:02] Is there a device I can hook up to my desktop so that it'll make a noise when I get a skype call? I appear to have missed a few calls due to not having my headset on [10:03] a usb phone? [10:03] And works in Linux [10:03] bigcalm: skype has (or used to have) a config option to have it ring on your speakers, regardless of headset [10:04] bigcalm: just plug a normal phone into the PC: http://www.echostore.com/skype-phone-adaptor-usb.html [10:04] bigcalm: alternately, do youhave a smart phone? just run skype there all the time and it will ring... [10:04] jussi: I don't have speakers :) [10:04] go to the dump [10:04] usually some lying around [10:04] Having skype on my phone is not something that appeals to me [10:05] I have a skype-phone-adaptor, but I don't think it works in Linux. I don't know any that do [10:05] bigcalm: see link above ;) [10:05] * bigcalm reads [10:06] cute. looks...old [10:07] fedora core 3 driver only [10:08] there are probably newer ones [10:09] Sod it, I'll put skype on my phone :( [10:10] the war of attrition [10:10] we always yield in the end [10:10] (except RMS) [10:13] bigcalm: you could just stop using skype :P [10:13] sipdroid? [10:13] or does cyanogen/android just handle it all now [10:13] jussi: get my clients to do the same [10:14] SIP doesn't work. [10:14] which asepct specifically directhex ? [10:15] foobarry, the "IP address is burned into the SIP packets so it can't be NATted successfully without use of a proxy server or a router which rewrites every incoming & outgoing packet" aspect [10:15] isn't that why you sign up with a sip gateway provider? [10:21] i think you can even dial skype contacts too [10:27] Hiii good morning all [10:27] I use sipgate.co.uk, I can log in from my phone and accept calls at an 0118 number [10:28] dwatkins: how much u pay? [10:28] if you're behind a NAT router, you'll need a device outside the router to log into, I think it's called a SIP endpoint [10:28] what's the battery drain like to allow ur phone to receive calls? [10:28] foobarry: nothing, I never make outgoing calls with it, just have it as an alternative number for people to call [10:28] I don't notice any extra battery drain. [10:31] Hi guys, could someone please tell me how to set the permissions on my /var/www directory so that new adding files can be seen on the website? [10:31] dwatkins: or referred to as a pbx i assume [10:32] foobarry: not necessarily, a pbx tends to be one connected physically to phones [10:33] or a virtual pbx [10:33] http://technews.tmcnet.com/channels/sip-end-points/articles/218483-what-sip-endpoints.htm [10:33] https://www1.pbxes.com/index_e.php [10:33] also known as a proxy server in the SIP world, I think [10:33] beware oboxious flash movie [10:34] oh? I have adblock and other such things so I don't see silly things like that [10:34] on the pbxes site [10:36] oh blinky didn''t stay long [10:37] don't blink [10:38] no statues in here is there? [10:48] AlanBell, sounds like your having bot issues..... === choffee` is now known as choffee [11:05] What's the clock indicator thinggy called again? Has disappeared from the bar? :-( [11:07] TheOpenSourcerer: indicator-datetime? [11:08] Morning all [11:08] OK - how do I restart just that then? [11:09] Morning davmor2 [11:09] TheOpenSourcerer: Seems to be /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-datetime-service here. [11:10] So how do I restart it without killing Unity? [11:11] killall unity-panel-service perhaps? [11:11] bigcalm: why you been banding my nick around now? [11:11] Yep. That worked. [11:11] davmor2, he wanted to know who is the best person to stab, and that would be you ;) [11:12] Haha [11:12] MooDoo: oh well that goes without saying just ask czajkowski [11:13] davmor2, I've not spoken to her in awhile, don't think I dare any more ;) [11:22] Hello everyone [11:23] I have a question is ubuntu 13.10 good for KVM I mean opening a VPS hosting? I would like to open a reliable host, but need to know which OS would be good for a virtualization [11:25] xalyy,so you want to use ubuntu as a kvm host? [11:25] Yes if possible because I can't configure CentOS and I used ubuntu before and thats fit better for me [11:26] Anybody know how I can find the cause of an "Unresponsive script" message in firefox [11:26] It says it's a library file causing it but I want to see the parent call [11:26] Nothing shows in the web console [11:26] xalyy: then you want the lts not 13.10 there is no support life on 13.10 [11:26] xalyy, I don't see why you can't use it :) [11:27] So its possible without any problem? :) [11:27] kvarley: Does ps aux show anything? [11:28] xalyy, well I can't comment on that as i've never used it, but the server is used for cloud hosting so I don't see why it should give you any problems [11:28] davmor2: Well it's a javascript loop taking too long to run, I want to see what loop it gets stuck in :) [11:29] I am asking this because if the KVM runs better on CentOS then I have to solve my problem on it but if it runs the same then I install again ubuntu [11:29] xalyy,if you have the hard ware, then try it :D [11:30] But I have to know it exactly because I suck with CentOS for like three days, and renting a dedicated is not cheap :( [11:30] xalyy: Ubuntu was the first distro to officially support and ship kvm as a default vm mechanism. [11:30] Wow :D [11:30] ah right, well then I'm not sure of the differrence with centos and ubuntu for virtulisation [11:30] Then no problems :) [11:30] there isn't much difference, I think [11:30] yay [11:31] Ok [11:31] both prefer libvirt and kvm [11:31] And I heard 14.04 is just released few days ago what are the new featerus? Do I give a shot for it? [11:31] Features* [11:32] xalyy, 14.04 is released in april [11:32] officially [11:32] xalyy: I would recommend 12.04 over 13.10 due to the support though. 13.10 only has 9 months support. 12.04 is nearly 2 years old and has another 3 years of support [11:32] xalyy: the .04 means the fourth month of teh year [11:32] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [11:33] But look it says febr 5 [11:33] that's not the release ver. [11:33] xalyy,is that beta? [11:33] just the wonder of open source let you kick the tyres and report bugs [11:33] Ohhh ok :D [11:33] I stay with 13.10 [11:33] !trusty [11:33] Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) will be the 20th release of Ubuntu. See the announcement at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295 for more info. support in #ubuntu+1 [11:34] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases [11:34] xalyy: Current mean the current daily testing release not the current released version for general use [11:34] But I can download here the 13.10 nah? [11:34] xalyy: if you plan on doing this for a server use 12.04 not 13.10 [11:35] Server use? [11:35] Why would I use the older verison [11:35] xalyy, it's LTS long term support [11:36] Can you give me a link then where to download? [11:37] http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server [11:37] xalyy: it's been tried and tested for 2 years so a lot of the bugs are closed, it is designed for server and business and it has another 3 years of support over the 9 months that 13.10 has [11:38] Ohh ok [11:38] And this is without desktop enviroment? [11:38] xalyy,yes [11:38] Okay [11:38] but you can install it if you wanted but why would you do that on a server :D [11:39] Lol how would I manage my vps? [11:39] xalyy, SSH? [11:39] Without DE [11:39] No no its too messy :D [11:39] Its easier in VNC [11:39] xalyy, then you'd have to think about installing a desktop environment and use VNC or something else [11:40] xalyy, kits of tutorials on the web about doing this - http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-gui-on-ubuntu-12-04-precise-server.html [11:40] as an example [11:40] I know how to install [11:40] I said I used before :D [11:40] But ty [11:40] fair enough :D [11:40] what do you mean "manage your vps" [11:41] KVM VPS management? [11:41] provision vms? [11:42] http://wordpress.banym.de/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/kvm-10.jpg [11:42] you can remote display an app over ssh [11:42] also there's lots of good commind line tools [11:43] yeah, but it's hideously slow [11:43] not worth using vnc for this [11:43] desktop on a server = not best practice [11:43] I tend to use NX for remote display via ssh, as the old ssh -X redirection of just the window isn't very well optimised [11:43] nx is nifty [11:44] It can handle it, its not an intel atom dedicated server [11:44] No worries [11:44] xalyy: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Management_Tools [11:44] got enough RAM ? [11:45] 24 gb [11:45] But whats that? [11:45] installing and running desktop environment on a server is the windows approach to things [11:46] you add unnecessary overhead [11:46] CLI tools are quicker [11:46] yeah, thin clients aren't really worth the hassle [11:46] I have a friend who is a teacher, it can take longer than the length of the lesson to log in to the thin client to do the register [11:46] it pains me when i see windows admins rdesktop to server to get things done [11:46] thin clients were an idea whose time never came [11:46] takes 10x longer [11:46] ahem [11:47] foobarry: that's because Windows doesn't tend to allow command line stuff for most things [11:47] if you're using kvm, you should be managing it with libvirt [11:47] if you're managing it with libvirt, you can use virt-manager on your local desktop to manage things remotely - vm creation & monitoring, etc [11:47] i use virt-manager for gui access to virtual machines on hosts in london [11:48] http://www.howtogeek.com/117635/how-to-install-kvm-and-create-virtual-machines-on-ubuntu/ is this a good guide? [11:49] directhex: does it use port 22? [11:49] foobarry, it uses whichever port you run your sshd on [11:50] xalyy, seems reasonable, for a local desktop/laptop [11:50] ok [11:50] virt-manager FTW! [11:50] ugly tool though innit [11:50] even cli is prettier [11:50] It works though. [11:58] Directhex [11:59] I use irssi because I prefer the command line for everything possible. [11:59] yay irssi [11:59] Then guys can you show me an example which would a starting VPS business guy use? [11:59] I mean why this isnt good for business use? [12:00] basically the same guide, but do the "virt-manager" install only on your local laptop - the rest should be on the server. [12:00] then run virt-manager locally, File, Add Connection, Connect to remote host, fill in the boxes [12:00] now virt-manager on your laptops talks to remote VPS host [12:00] Ugh :D [12:01] you mean yay :D [12:01] xalyy lol you want to start on this rocky road :D [12:01] this is the best advice you could get on the subject [12:01] Yes but I only start a VPS business if my method will fail [12:01] i suggest you take it [12:02] So first I test for myself then if not works what I planned then open business or sell the dedicated [12:02] thats it :P [12:02] Do I get a fresh install if I install this server.iso? [12:03] I messed up centos a little [12:03] not being funny but i wouldn't buy a service from someone who isn't expert [12:03] i'd use bytemark or rackspace etc [12:03] I'd just use AWS. [12:04] Where I will sell its not really matters are you an expert or not :P [12:05] They just buy if it's not good for them then I will refund if good they keep it, thats it [12:05] really? [12:05] Simple [12:05] i have a nuclear reactor i made in my shed,. wanna buy? [12:06] foobarry, only if I get to play with the good stuff :) [12:07] fission or fusion? [12:07] bashrc: i am not an expert, i just followed online guide [12:07] No no I talked seriously :P [12:07] if it doesn't work, i'll refund u [12:08] how many megawatts? [12:09] So does this give me a fresh install? :D [12:13] i am sitting at my desk about 100 yds away from the site of a nuclear reactor [12:13] true story [12:13] *old site of nuclear reactor [12:14] I create fusion reactions in my stomach... Just eat some superhot chillies ;-) [12:15] hmmm superhot chiilies [12:15] TheOpenSourcerer: Mr Fusion is you? :) [12:15] :-) [12:16] This year's season so far: https://plus.google.com/photos/104060033182234025482/albums/5975387695779422977 [12:18] TheOpenSourcerer: looks a bit like what the police took out of the house when my upstairs neighbor was forced to leave ;) [12:18] ha [12:18] Some of my chilli growing friends have been visited by the Police recently... The Coppers find it all rather strange. [12:18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Mary_University_of_London#Nuclear_reactor === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:44] hm get so many leaflets for fast food through my door [12:48] tell me about it, the posties get paid for delivering crap [12:48] MORNING UBUNTIANS [12:48] or ... ubunters? [12:48] ubuntanians? [12:48] speaking of virtualisation ... [12:49] anyone tried doing that on a host from OVH? [12:49] aka kimsufi aka soyoustart [12:50] i think you have to do some tomfoolery with virtual MACs to assign to their "failover" (additional) IPs, but I've never tried it [12:51] hey neuro [12:53] lo mapps [12:57] sounds like a "no" then :) [12:58] neuro: it *is* a very specific question :) [12:58] true [12:58] are sony stopping making laptops? [12:58] possibly [12:59] foobarry: sounds like it from the news [12:59] there's chat about them selling the business a la ibm to lenovo [13:00] neuro: I thought they were just going to concentrate on tablets and phones so they would still want people there I guess [13:00] the vaio and xperia business units are separate iirc [13:03] neuro: fair enough then :) [13:05] i had a vaio Z600-LEK [13:05] was my first ever laptop, loved it to bits [13:05] i had a vaio cckkkakzkxkxkccr [13:05] worst model names ever [13:06] hehe [13:10] ah, thought i had some pics somewhere [13:10] http://wpa.io/pics/2001/05/vaio/?01 [13:10] vaios look nice, but they're plastic and break easily [13:11] mine does anyway [13:11] I used to have a Nokia phone like that [13:11] yeah, they always have been [13:11] i had a purple alu one [13:11] 6210 [13:11] dwatkins: nokia 6210 [13:11] login to server m.outlook.com failed [13:11] :) [13:11] greatest phone i ever had [13:11] yeah, nice fast menus, none of the extraneous crap you don't need [13:12] totally [13:13] dual band, wap, all kinds of awesome [13:14] I knew someone with a similar phone that had two SIM cards [13:14] possibly the type used in the film The Matrix which flips out [13:15] the nokia banana phone? i had that [13:15] first company phone [13:16] they were great, until they seized-up [13:16] well.actuallk.cat [13:16] bah [13:16] http://neuro.me.uk/bitsnbobs/matrixphone/ [13:17] the matrix used a phone with no click mechanism [13:17] aha, I wondered why it was slightly different [13:17] they modded the 8110s for the movie [13:17] yep, what neuro said [13:17] the 8110 was an *old* phone [13:17] the 7110 was modern - big screen, wap, etc [13:17] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_7110 [13:18] i've owned both [13:18] i had a mate who had one [13:18] the only good thing about the 7110 was the 'snikt' matrix action [13:18] that was amazing though [13:18] haha, reference 5 on that 7110 wikipedia page [13:19] :D [13:20] so who actually came up with the idea of putting a spring inside the cover? [13:20] nokia, or some prop designer? [13:21] probably the latter [13:21] hmm... i know who would know [13:21] which reminds me, i've let a domain lapse ... [13:21] neuro, you mean your isp doesn't auto renew domains for you? [13:22] MooDoo: you mean, you trust your ISP? :) [13:22] ISP? domains? [13:22] i am my own registrar [13:22] silly me [13:22] well, an opensrs reseller at least [13:23] srsrly [13:23] srsly [13:23] * jussi grumbles ion the general openerp direction [13:23] jussi: anion or cation? [13:23] it's not that hard to be a reseller iirc [13:23] never said it was [13:23] MartijnVdS: mrghrghrhg [13:23] iirc it was 90 bucks and done [13:23] sorry wasn't having a dig :D [13:23] :) [13:23] looks like my 80 chrome tabs have come to bite me [13:23] * jussi bites foobarry [13:24] :P [13:24] I save my tabs with tabcloud [13:25] my window manager crashes when i get to 0MB RAM free [13:26] usually its a facebook tab that pushes over the edge [13:26] why would you need 80 tabs though? [13:26] work [13:27] researching a problem [13:27] work in progress [13:27] bookmark managers in browsers are very poor [13:27] well, that was quicker than i thought [13:27] http://matrixphone.org/ [13:28] yep, had that phone [13:28] i was accidentally cool for a while [13:28] had my mod_proxy config all wrong, and had let the domain name lapse a while back [13:28]