=== slickymaster is now known as slickyma1ter === knome is now known as slickymaster === slickymaster is now known as knome === slickyma1ter is now known as slickymaster === slickymaster is now known as slickyma1ter === slickyma1ter is now known as slickymaster [01:39] knome: pong [01:39] slickyma1ter [01:39] umhumm, sorted [01:39] xubuntu-docs 12.04.2 is in. [01:40] the dokuwiki can be updated to not say "staging", give it a more lovely facade :) [01:40] had to dig up your .dsc and .tar.gz to get the binary images uploaded [01:40] knome: fantastic [01:40] and everything is as supposed now [01:40] bluesabre, MenuLibre 2.0 series is completely translated into portuguese even though LP is showing 0% translated [01:42] thanks slickymaster: I'll try to figure out what the issue with lp [01:42] wish me luck ;) [01:42] good luck [01:42] the canonical servers have been playing games today [01:42] another thing, bluesabre, are you ok with us linking your wiki from the docs, or are you planning to move the docs? [01:43] slickymaster: I'm fine with linking to it, I have no intention of relocating them if its not necessary [01:43] mugshot and menulibre both link to the dokuwiki in their respective --help [01:44] or/ manpages [01:44] great, thanks bluesabre [01:45] catfish 1.0 is in trusty [01:45] I think mugshot should make it, it made it into debian today [01:46] not sure if we have to do anything, or if it will be pulled in with the debian sync before debian import freeze [01:46] nice work bluesabre [01:46] its Noskcaj to thank [01:46] he's been a packaging machine [01:47] well you've done a fair share of coding, no need to be modest about that [01:48] bluesabre: if you have time on the weekend, we could try to get the greeter in shape for a release [01:50] ochosi: I might have such an opportunity saturday/sunday morning [01:51] cool [01:51] currently, the indicator-stuff needs some testing [01:51] brainwash said that it slows down the greeter [01:51] (which is hard to test on my machine) [01:52] would be good to ask him to find out whether it's slower than unity-greeter [01:56] only two weeks till feature-freeze... [02:02] anyway, i'm out [02:03] Tschau. [02:16] yeah, I'll try to get some testing in tomorrow maybe [09:40] hi slickyma1ter [09:40] sigh [09:40] hi slickymaster [09:40] morning elfy [09:41] * elfy is busy checking core testcases and raising bugs [09:41] again [09:41] now I'm not sure If I must had logged in as slickymaster or slickyma1ter [09:42] webchat is slickymaster - you're alterego on dagobah is slickyma1ter [09:42] ok, thanks elfy [10:11] woot [10:11] mugshot [10:12] 0.2-1 0 [10:12] 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe amd64 Packages [10:12] back to bed to sleep like a normal human [10:12] sweet dreams bluesabre [10:12] >_> [10:13] Unit193: go to bed D: [10:27] knome: - volman testcase - specifies opening with a bunch of different media - should we make it obvious that not having a 'type' of media is not a cause for failing the testcase [10:27] and that people should just note in comments what they don't have [10:28] elfy, or the other way, always specify what they *did* test? [10:28] that works too - okey doke :) [10:28] don't know. either way works for me, but you are right in the failing part. [10:28] yep [12:09] slickymaster: if you get chance to look https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xfcecorecheck/+merge/205140 [12:10] I will after lunch elfy, scout's word [12:10] thanks :) [12:10] talking of which ... [12:11] hungry? [12:11] is there a Y in the day ... [12:11] :) [12:19] bbl [12:27] ochosi: ping [12:27] you around? [12:27] slickymaster: pong [12:27] what up? [12:27] ochosi: I'm starting to port xfdesktop from bluesabre's wiki to xub -docs [12:28] the idea is to rewrite the existing section with just the highlights [12:29] sounds cool [12:29] any thoughts on everything in particular you should think ought to be ported? [12:29] you mean thoughts on what highlights to point out? [12:29] what do you see as important to be placed in the docs? [12:29] ecatly [12:29] i'd explain stuff like the time-based changing of the wallpaper [12:29] exactly [12:30] many settings are easy to understand in the dialog, that's one of the more complex ones [12:30] keep in mind that what's going to be rewritten is //usr/share/xubuntu-docs/desktop-guide/guide-desktop.html#customizing-appearance [12:30] then, the multi-monitor handling [12:30] other than that, anything else? [12:31] did you get to finish the multi-monitor section in blusabre's wiki? [12:31] afaik the "set as wallpaper" shortcut in thunar is currently broken [12:31] it would have to be updated to work with xfdesktop4.11 [12:32] so better re-think whether that shouldn't be removed from the docs [12:32] (or we get someone to write a patch) [12:32] that patch would have to be done before doc-freeze [12:32] hm, sry about dropping the ball a bit on the xfdesktop docs. i was in touch with eric_the_idiot_ and NSchermer to get them merged, but the whole docs-versioning thing held everything up :/ [12:33] when's doc-freeze again? [12:33] 6 weeks from now [12:33] ok [12:34] hm, well i might be able to look into fixing that... [12:34] if I'm not mistaken [12:34] currently wanna fix a few things in the greeter first though [12:36] slickymaster: i'll send another email about the xfdesktop docs now... [12:37] damn internet connection [12:37] ochosi: I might have missed something you said [12:38] he said "currently wanna fix a few things in the greeter first though" "slickymaster: i'll send another email about the xfdesktop docs now..." [12:38] thanks elfy [12:39] thanks parrot-elfy :) [12:39] assuming that is you know what the last thing you said was :p [12:39] we should get a parrot-bot that PMs the last 20 lines that were said in the channel :> [12:39] these days one starts to even doubt that :P [12:39] ochosi: I was really kind too - I didn't ping that ochosi guy a bunch of times [12:39] ochosi: lol [12:39] indeed [12:40] sat here doing tests for zequence - I hope he knows he owes me now :p [12:40] so, just to wrap things up, do you think there's any chances of doing anything with the multi-monitor issue ochosi [12:41] elfy: I'm too poor to pay you ;) [12:41] that's ok - we'll be doing beta 1 tests for trusty soon :p [12:42] slickymaster_: yes, i promise i'll do that today or tomorrow [12:42] currently @work, so only one monitor [12:42] ok, thanks, I'll owe you one [12:42] thanks for reminding me [12:43] np [12:43] zequence: I've done the install test for 32 bit - got no way to do the live session persistence test one [12:43] well, i think we'll just be about even (or even i might still owe you for all the great work you did on the docs) [12:45] brb === slickymaster_ is now known as slickymaster [12:48] elfy: in your MP (https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xfcecorecheck) all the testcases number match the ones in the tracker, right? [12:48] I hope so - or it's going to go horribly wrong [12:49] just confirming [12:50] do you want me to review it in LP, or just give you a opinion here? [12:51] elfy: ^^^ [12:51] best do it on LP [12:52] okie dokie, you'll have it this afternoon [12:53] thanks - I'll get things sorted later [12:56] lunch time [12:56] brb -> [12:59] hmp, so for the thunar wallpaper plugin i'm afraid we'll have to patch thunar for ubuntu [15:09] knome: oh yea - why wouldn't the tracker let me mark the alternates as ready yesterday? confused ... [15:10] * knome shrugs [15:12] lol - I did that as well - didn't make the slightest difference when I did it though :) [15:14] so... do you want a release announcement? [15:16] didn't have one for .3 that I remember or can see [15:17] .4 is the last point update though, and we have the new docs in [15:17] though i don't feel strongly either way [15:17] mmm - well I don't fee strongly either [15:17] I'd guess that those on .3 would have done the docs if they'd needed to and wouldn't likely notice [15:18] or .1 or .2 [15:18] was a release announcement for .1 [15:18] http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-1-release/ [15:18] could do something similar this time, a short announcement [15:18] (also noting that it is indeed the last point release) [15:18] ok [15:19] i have about until 16UTC to draft it if you want [15:19] http://pad.ubuntu.com/blbAPMlWQj [15:19] ok - I'm about to wander - will be back in a short while [15:23] bah - back shortly [15:23] oki [15:34] elfy, http://xubuntu.org/?p=2072&preview=true [15:34] I's back [15:34] elfy: are you back? [15:34] :) [15:34] elfy, feel free to publish when cjwatson announces if i'm not around [15:35] knome: ok - looks ok to me too [15:35] elfy: Bug #1276965: Test Case 1583 ->

Click "Gear Icon" on the menu bar

if you press the gear icon a menu won't drop down, what happens is that Application Finder opens [15:35] bug 1276965 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Test Case 1583" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1276965 [15:36] in order to the menu drop down what has to be clicked is the arrow icno to the right of the gear icon [15:36] s/icno/icon [15:37] knome: if you go - make sure you've not got it locked then - and save it :p [15:37] oops :P [15:37] released the lock. [15:37] :p [15:38] btw, you can force unlocking [15:38] not that it is wise, but if i would have been gone... [15:38] knome: I know - but I didn'ty know if it had been saved or anything :p [15:38] it is, it is [15:39] slickymaster: hang on - catching up :) [15:40] recent lightdm update seems to be broken here [15:40] slickymaster: aaah - I see that the arrow is actually seperate from the icons ... [15:40] yes [15:41] not very apparent for one with knackered eyes [15:41] lol [15:41] another thing, in that test you have

Click "Switch Icon" on the menu bar

what's this icon? [15:42] because I'm not seeing it in my task manager [15:45] elfy: ^^^are you referring to the Settings for Task Manager icon? [15:45] the one that looks like a set of switches [15:46] calling these icons names that mean nothing is a matter of taste :p [15:46] well that one is the Settings for Task Manager [15:47] elfy: I think that what you intend is the the arrow icon to the right of that one [15:47] :P [15:47] they are also separate icons [15:48] probably - I'm in the middle of a bunch of stuff here - including hungry kids [15:48] at the moment - the testcase says click execute and click preferences [15:48] I'll comment it in LP [15:48] neither of which is actually there [15:48] yeas, you're right about that [15:49] but I didn't actually realise that there was a button and menu either [15:49] just forget that one - and look at the others [15:49] bbl [15:49] and the quit button has just disappeared as well [15:51] yes, you just have it when you right-cilik it in the panel [16:01] Did live session persistance work in Xubuntu 12.04.4? [16:02] Or, has no one tested that before? [16:03] I'm bad - never check it tbh - and in fact we rejigged our live testcase to read like this http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1303/info [16:03] slickymaster: I'm back now and looking [16:03] I'm half way through my reviewing [16:08] don't bother with task manager - I'm redoing it as I speak [16:08] unless you already have :) [16:11] elfy, i'm off, you need to publish the article :) [16:11] -> [16:15] elfy: https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xfcecorecheck/+merge/205140 [16:18] Line 140 needs to be reworded because when a user hits Ctrl+W, the note doesn't get deleted, a dialog prompts him for an answer [16:18] then there's a bug - it just deletes here ... [16:18] slickymaster: ^^ [16:18] elfy: don't you get that prompt? [16:18] nope [16:18] I get it [16:19] trsuty? version 1.7.7 [16:19] elfy: I have xfce4-notes: Installed: 1.7.7-3ubuntu2 [16:19] yes, in Trusty [16:20] mmm - definitely not here [16:21] then it's definitely a bug in yours [16:21] 1.7.7-3ubunt [16:21] weird, we're both with the same version [16:22] maybe brainwash could check his' [16:22] brainwash: ^^^ [16:22] I can create notes with ctrl+n as fast as I want - then delete them with ctrl+w just as quickly [16:22] and that is both in this mutilated install and today's daily [16:23] well, the existence of the prompt makes all the sense [16:23] so a note won't get deleted carelessly [16:24] I agree [16:24] mmm - ok I will reset that testcase - obviously a bug then [16:24] other then those two tests I think you are to be congratulated [16:27] ok - I'll rejig the task manager one later, set the notes one back [16:27] and not assume that the testcase is incorrect :p [16:29] when Unit193 wake up, we can nag him to see the behavior he gets in his system [16:32] bug 1277154 [16:32] bug 1277154 in xfce4-notes-plugin (Ubuntu) "Ctrl+W does not ask for confirmation on note delete" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1277154 [16:46] slickymaster: done those now [16:57] elfy: https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xfcecorecheck/+merge/205140 [16:58] thanks slickymaster [16:58] np [17:19] I beat bzr into submission [17:19] lol [17:20] no machine will defeat us [17:20] well I've not synced yet :p [17:30] synced now [17:35] \o/ elfy: 1 - bzr: 0 [17:36] :) [18:16] bbl -> [18:55] !team | meeting time [18:55] meeting time: bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, mr_pouit, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 [18:58] o/ [18:58] would somebody else like to chair? [18:59] o/ [19:00] o/ [19:00] o/ [19:01] o/ can't chair - at work. [19:02] #startmeeting [19:02] Meeting started Thu Feb 6 19:02:06 2014 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [19:02] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [19:02] #endmeeting [19:02] Meeting ended Thu Feb 6 19:02:32 2014 UTC. [19:02] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-02-06-19.02.moin.txt [19:02] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-02-06-19.02.html [19:02] #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting [19:02] Meeting started Thu Feb 6 19:02:38 2014 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [19:02] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [19:02] o/ [19:02] #topic Open action items [19:03] will have to dig them up... [19:03] gtk3 indicators [19:04] ali1234, will we carry that on? [19:04] yes. nothing further happened with the upstart porting, but something new also came to my attention recently [19:04] oki [19:04] #action ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status [19:04] ACTION: ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status [19:04] #action ali1234 and micahg to follow up on gtk3 indicator stack issues [19:04] ACTION: ali1234 and micahg to follow up on gtk3 indicator stack issues [19:05] #nick micahg [19:05] #action elfy to poke Noskcaj if time-admin and users-admin do not exist in the next daily [19:05] ACTION: elfy to poke Noskcaj if time-admin and users-admin do not exist in the next daily [19:05] namely that elementary also is a user of indicators, and they are in the same boat as us, except that they don't seem to be as well up with what is going on [19:05] Noskcaj, did you get that sorted out with pitti? [19:05] so i'm going to go and have a chat with them, if i can [19:05] knome: that's been put to bed now [19:05] ali1234, ok, so we're steering that ship; thanks for keeping updated [19:05] #undo [19:05] Removing item from minutes: [19:05] knome, yep. I screwed up on some DESTDIR stuff [19:05] elfy, cheers :) [19:05] Noskcaj, ok, great to have it sorted then [19:06] #action knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position [19:06] ACTION: knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position [19:06] will carry one [19:06] *on [19:06] i think we're good with the bluetooth stuff. [19:07] #action micahg to talk with the DMB and separate -dev from upload rights so we can allow more people to push to xubuntu branches [19:07] ACTION: micahg to talk with the DMB and separate -dev from upload rights so we can allow more people to push to xubuntu branches [19:07] micahg-work, ping, is that done? [19:08] working on it [19:08] ok, carrying on [19:09] #action xubuntu-qa to make sure there is a blueman testcase [19:09] ACTION: xubuntu-qa to make sure there is a blueman testcase [19:09] #nick xubuntu-qa [19:09] and from the docs meeting: [19:09] #action Unit193 to do merge proposals for "X performs Y" styled listings for the docs [19:09] ACTION: Unit193 to do merge proposals for "X performs Y" styled listings for the docs [19:09] #nick Unit193 [19:09] #topic Team updates [19:10] use #info and #action as appropriate. [19:10] floor is yours [19:10] #info slickymaster has finished porting the Mugshot documentation into the Xubuntu docs [19:10] knome: actioning something is great - but if we've not got any bluetooth to check - it'll get moved on [19:10] #info slickymaster started to work on porting the Xfdesktop documentation into Xubuntu docs [19:11] #info Docs team held a Trusty meeting and assignments were handed out [19:11] #info xubuntu-qa Package testing - Settings Manager - mandatory testing +2, run-once and optional +1 [19:11] #info xubuntu-qa 12.04.4 32bit/ Live 4 tests, Alt 5 test [19:11] #info xubuntu-qa 12.04.4 64bit/ Live 6 tests, Alt 6 tests [19:11] #info xubuntu-qa Trusty Daily 32 bit 11 tests [19:11] #info xubuntu-qa Trusty Daily 64 bit 18 tests [19:11] #info xubuntu-qa XFCE Core Package testing due next week [19:11] #info xubuntu-qa light-locker has seen testing now [19:11] elfy, we should be shipping blueman [19:11] :) [19:11] #info Kudos to knome and bluesabre for getting the SRU Docs update through all the hurdles [19:11] and i can organize testing for the testcase :) [19:12] yeah, yay, fixed looks for the docs in 12.04! [19:12] \o/ [19:12] weather plugin 12.04 status? [19:13] knome: blueman - mandatory, optional or run-once [19:14] elfy, either opt or once [19:14] #info elfy Blueman added to Network Testsuite [19:15] so that's done then [19:15] hehe, nice [19:15] though one can argue if it's network or not >:) [19:16] yep - we can argue all you like - the die is cast :p [19:16] i tried to use blueman today and it crashed - for a2dp/sound :( [19:16] ali1234, did you file a bug? [19:16] no, it's saucy, nobody will care [19:17] probably won't be able to reproduce it either [19:17] #info knome and pleia2 helped startubuntu create some xubuntu-branded versions of "xp to *buntu*" flyers [19:17] Got indicator-sound merged. [19:17] Unit193, caaaaan you #infoooo [19:17] :p [19:17] #info the flyers were widely shared on social media and pleia2 is printing some up for an upcoming conference [19:17] #link http://xubuntu.org/marketingresources/ [19:18] pleia2, still, you don't need #link with bare links ;) [19:18] #info site updated to link to several language variations on spreadubuntu.org [19:18] * pleia2 shrugs [19:18] #info got pavucontrol merged into indicator-sound as an alternate recommends to the control centers, so we shouldn't be pulling them in because of that at least. [19:19] Just waiting to hear back from the two artists for the xubuntu-community-artwork package, also if mica has time to review it, but not sure he does. [19:20] Unit193, this is a meeting, just proudly ping people :P [19:20] re: #xubuntu, i have the page ready to be updated, waiting for cjwatson's ack of release [19:21] anything else for the updates? [19:21] #topic Announcements [19:21] #info 12.04.4 will be released any minute! [19:22] :D [19:22] I have an offtopic announcement [19:22] #info With knome's help, jjfrv8 received approval for ~ubuntu-core-doc membership [19:22] \o/ [19:22] \o/ [19:22] \o/ [19:22] congrats jjfrv8 [19:22] i just went and marked that as done in the blueprint [19:22] today is my Ubuntu Membership application, at 22:00 UTC, in #ubuntu-meeting. So if you guys feel like showing up and support it I would appreciate it [19:23] it's a bit late ... :p [19:23] pleia2, was that at the same time as the docs meeting? :D [19:23] too many meetings today. [19:23] knome: yes [19:23] yes it is, knome :P [19:23] indeed [19:23] slickymaster, if i'm around, will be there [19:23] tks [19:23] slickymaster: Since I didn't write one yet, make sure to ping me right before so I will be there? [19:23] #info Debian Import Freeze is today [19:23] will do Unit193 [19:23] #info Feature Freeze is in 2 weeks [19:23] and also you, micahg-work [19:24] Yeah, sorry. [19:24] #info Beta 1 is in 3 weeks, freeze in the first half of that week [19:24] #topic Agenda [19:24] no specific agenda items. [19:25] does anybody have something else to discuss? [19:25] weather plugin in 12.04 [19:25] my MOTU application [19:25] what's with the weather plugin? [19:25] after yesterday's doc meeting, I'm putting together a release checklist for the website (what we need to create/update) [19:26] pleia2, don't we have that in the wiki? [19:26] let me dig that up. [19:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Release_Cycle [19:26] specifically, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Releasing [19:27] knome: it needs updating [19:27] yep. [19:27] but please do it on the wiki :) [19:27] "Update the website" isn't enough ;) [19:27] i'm also thinking that could have its own subpage in Processes [19:27] Testing QATracker using VirtualBox. Testing Post-Install. Pendrive insertion fails in VM but it is mounted by the host machine. [19:27] well there's also "wiki maintaining" [19:27] we need to come up with our FAQ post, define which pages need updates, etc [19:28] what we probably need is gather all these in one big calendar [19:28] or, a similar table as the release schedules [19:28] schproodle, we're in the middle of the meeting, if you can wait for 15 minutes, would be good. [19:28] Unit193 could just put these milestones into the xubuntu calendar [19:28] schproodle, feel free to take part in the meeting though [19:28] xubuntu calendar is a bit meh :| [19:29] I get the donuts eh :) [19:29] TBH, i think the release schedule table is surprisingly good [19:29]