[00:21] <neuro> hmm, official now: http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/6/5385212/sony-sells-off-vaio-pc-division
[00:37] <diddledan__> I just followed a link from that article to the satya nadella article
[00:37] <diddledan__> i.e. new boss @ microsnot
[00:42] <neuro> yup
[00:43] <diddledan__> "cloud first, mobile first"
[00:43] <diddledan__> sounds like "developers developers developers"
[00:43] <neuro> it actually makes sense
[00:43] <diddledan__> yes it does
[00:44] <neuro> they need to get their act together or they'll be best known as that company who makes xboxes and office apps who also used to make some sort of window
[00:45] <neuro> if they can stop this notion that they can still dominate the consumer OS space, and concentrate on cloud platforms, enterprise OSes/apps and xbox, they'll go far
[00:46] <neuro> and try to fashion nokia into a blackberry-style platform for businesses
[00:46] <neuro> that's my thoughts anyway
[00:47] <neuro> windows 7 is only slightly better than windows 2000, windows 8 is a joke, meanwhile OS X and Linux have been on constant iterative innovation cycles leaving them with way more stable platforms and way more attractive development bases
[00:48] <neuro> let the marketplace migrate to android tablets and ubuntu desktop/laptops
[00:48] <neuro> and people will quickly scream for better apps than libreoffice
[00:48] <neuro> and they'll appear
[00:49] <diddledan__> libreoffice has been coming up with innovations, too, though
[00:49] <neuro> "we crash only once an hour now!"
[00:49] <diddledan__> like the latest release making it the only desktop office suite in existence that utilises the gPU
[00:49] <neuro> you sure about that?
[00:50] <neuro> *cough*iWork*cough*
[00:50] <diddledan__> that utilises the GPU for spreadsheet work?
[00:50] <diddledan__> e.g.
[00:50] <neuro> oh ok, that's new
[00:50] <neuro> no idea if OS X does that
[00:50] <diddledan__> I'm talking GPGPU
[00:50] <diddledan__> aka opencl
[00:51] <neuro> yeah, i figured
[00:52] <diddledan__> ref: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/4-2-new-features-and-fixes/#Formula Engine
[00:52] <diddledan__> bah @ bad paste
[00:52] <neuro> %20 :)
[00:53] <diddledan__> Engine should be part of the linky
[00:53] <diddledan__> yeah
[00:53] <neuro> still, pass ;)
[00:54] <neuro> http://www.libreoffice.org/features/writer/screenshot-of-writer-the-libreoffice-word-processor/
[00:54] <diddledan__> yeah, it's ugly as sin
[00:54] <daftykins> thing is, are there really any situations where that's going to actually save much time over CPU only?
[00:55] <diddledan__> daftykins: I guess it depends on the type of calculations you use a spreadsheet for
[00:55] <neuro> yeah
[00:55] <neuro> i've seen some pretty gnarly spreadsheets in my time
[00:55] <neuro> http://www.apple.com/uk/creativity-apps/mac/
[00:56] <neuro> scroll down to look at Pages
[00:56] <diddledan__> yeah pages is pretty sweet
[01:00] <neuro> http://www.apple.com/uk/osx/whats-new/features.html#core
[01:00] <neuro> mavericks has opencl support built in
[01:00] <neuro> (actually, os x has had it since 2006 i think)
[01:00] <neuro> so it's possible numbers uses opencl without numbers actually realising it
[01:00] <diddledan__> opencl was invented by apple IIRC
[01:01] <neuro> yarp
[01:02] <neuro> developed by and holds the trademarks to
[01:02] <neuro> then iterated on by apple, amd, ibm, qcomm, intel, nvidia
[01:02] <neuro> then standarised
[01:03] <neuro> people wail on apple at times without actually realising some of the cool stuff they've given back to the community
[01:03] <neuro> cups, for example
[01:03] <diddledan__> what I really want is some of the tech from linux to work in osx like kvm
[01:03] <diddledan__> <3 osx
[01:04] <neuro> what, you mean without having to kludge it with an app like fusion or parallels?
[01:04] <diddledan__> bingo
[01:04] <neuro> wouldn't surprise me if it happened at some point
[01:04] <neuro> although their focus really isn't on servery enterprisey smelling stuff these days
[01:04] <diddledan__> indeed
[01:04] <neuro> i can only imagine what a 2014 xserve would be like
[01:05] <neuro> given the crazy stuff they did with the mac pro
[01:05] <diddledan__> well they canned the xserve :-(
[01:05] <neuro> i know
[01:05] <neuro> hence why i can only imagine :)
[01:05] <diddledan__> aah
[01:05] <neuro> i was toying with buying one off ebay the other day
[01:05] <neuro> most of them are a state
[01:05] <neuro> people selling them missing drive caddies and the like
[01:05] <diddledan__> dang
[01:05] <neuro> then i came to my senses
[01:06] <neuro> and started searching ebay for color classics :D
[01:06] <diddledan__> I bet they've still got the second-hand apple premium though
[01:06] <neuro> they do a bit yeah
[01:06] <neuro> the old ppc ones are reasonably priced
[01:06] <neuro> but like i say, finding a decent one is tough
[01:06] <neuro> a lot of them have had the crap kicked out of them
[01:11] <neuro> this is ridiculous: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321090423002
[01:11] <neuro> i forgot people did that to color classics
[01:12] <neuro> "let's gut an LC575 and put it into a color classic!"
[01:30] <daftykins> for some reason 'logic board' grates with me so much
[01:30] <neuro> :)
[01:33] <neuro> good grief
[01:33] <neuro> someone is selling an Atari Falcon 030 on ebay for ...
[01:33] <neuro> £799
[01:34] <daftykins> a steal!
[01:34] <neuro> i don't even think it cost that much when new
[01:34] <daftykins> (i don't know that system) :D
[01:35] <neuro> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290795081472
[01:35] <neuro> it's basically an Atari ST with a 68030 and Jaguar-like graphics capability
[01:44] <diddledan__> I do wish people would get "free as in beer" the correct way about
[01:44] <diddledan__> beer is not gratis, it's libre
[01:44] <neuro> BUT I NEVER PAY FOR BEER!
[01:45] <daftykins> is that because you don't like it and thus never drink any?
[01:45] <diddledan__> aparently xcode from apple is free as in beer?
[01:45] <diddledan__> !!
[01:45] <diddledan__> dammit people get your references straight!
[01:46] <neuro> um
[01:46] <neuro> not sure if you're kidding, but if you're not, that's the wrong way around
[01:46] <diddledan__> no it's not
[01:46] <diddledan__> beer is libre
[01:46] <neuro> free as in beer means free of cost
[01:46] <diddledan__> exactly
[01:46] <diddledan__> not
[01:46] <neuro> free as in free speech means libre
[01:47] <diddledan__> free as in beer - when was the last time you went to a pub and got free-of-cost beer?
[01:47] <diddledan__> free as in beer refers to the fact that anybody can recreate it becasue it's libre - the recipe is open
[01:47] <neuro> no, it doesn't
[01:48] <neuro> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
[01:48] <neuro> “Free software” means software that respects users' freedom and community. Roughly, it means that the users have the freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software. Thus, “free software” is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of “free” as in “free speech,” not as in “free beer”.
[01:49] <daftykins> diddledan__: wow you were being serious?
[01:49] <neuro> i thought he wasn't :)
[01:49] <diddledan__> people use the phrase "free as in beer" not the phrase "free beer"
[01:50] <diddledan__> that gnu item uses the latter
[01:50] <diddledan__> which is different to "free as in beer"
[01:50] <neuro> ah, you're being 2am pedantic, ok ;)
[01:51] <daftykins> i was originally just going to say, hey neuro meet diddledan! ;)
[01:51] <neuro> it's more of a shorthand these days, at least for us enlightened lot
[01:51] <neuro> "free as in speech" is syntactically wrong as well, but people still use it
[01:52] <diddledan__> "free as in beer" is an ethic, "free beer" is an example
[01:52] <neuro> best just to suck it up, imagine slapping rms silly with those stupid disk platters of his, and move on with life, safe in the knowledge that you're not rms
[01:52] <diddledan__> I prefer to use free as in beer when referring to libre
[01:53] <neuro> you may notice i'm not that keen on rms
[01:53] <diddledan__> because it most accurately portrays the meaning
[01:53] <daftykins> neuro: i detected a hint, couldn't be sure though...
[01:53] <neuro> but free as in beer DOESN'T mean libre
[01:53] <diddledan__> you _may_ have to pay for beer but you can always recreate it yourself based on the same recipe
[01:54] <neuro> NO, STOP, UR DOING IT WRONG
[01:54] <diddledan__> that's the definition of libre, no?
[01:54] <neuro> you're manhandling the definition of libre onto the common, although misquoted, definition of gratis
[01:54] <neuro> stop it
[01:54] <neuro> step away from the definitions, yo
[01:55] <neuro> daftykins: can't stand the man, unfortunately
[01:55] <neuro> and i've met him, so it's not like some sort of unfounded misdirected rage
[01:56] <diddledan__> he's got a good beard tho
[01:56] <neuro> he really doesn't
[01:57] <neuro> it's unkempt
[01:57] <neuro> and i don't like alan cox's beard either, before you say anything
[01:57] <neuro> but at least alan cox is a nice guy
[02:02] <daftykins> neuro: i hear rms has a violent odour
[02:03] <neuro> when i was near him, i was also near coffee being brewed
[02:03] <neuro> so there may have been some masking elements
[02:03] <neuro> but he was whiny, grumpy and awful to talk to
[02:03] <neuro> a poor ambassador
[02:03] <neuro> he "blessed" my Vaio running win2k as well
[02:04] <neuro> i sold it the next year
[02:05] <neuro> man, google have switched off subtle mode today
[02:06] <neuro> rainbow logo linking to a search for "Olympic Charter"
[02:06] <diddledan__> apparently russia is allowed to crack down on gays during the lympits but lympians aren't allowed to protest about it
[02:07] <diddledan__> for fear of being banned for life from all lympit
[02:07] <neuro> they're doing a good job of it before they go though
[02:07] <neuro> cf german outfits, canadian luge video, channel 4 gay mountain ad ...
[02:09] <daftykins> good job of what? huh?
[02:09] <neuro> protesting
[02:14] <daftykins> did they? are they still going?
[02:15] <neuro> probably
[02:15] <neuro> team gb are for sure
[02:16] <daftykins> suckers for medals
[02:24] <neuro> bed time
[02:36] <daftykins> \o
[05:34] <prasanth_> hello
[05:34] <prasanth_> sir i need free cds of ubuntu
[05:35] <prasanth_> help me out
[06:55] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:32] <MooDoo> how is everyone this morning?
[07:43] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: time for weekend :)
[07:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all
[07:44] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: at 3:30 :)
[07:45] <MooDoo> morning TheOpenSourcerer how goes it?
[07:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Good thanks
[07:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> You MooDoo
[07:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Looking forward to tomorrow's 6 Nations match - should see England thrash Scotland.
[07:47] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: It would be nice to see them thrash scotland, I hope it's not as close as the last one lol
[07:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> The French were bloody lucky. It was good game - Thought England played pretty well actually.
[07:52] <MooDoo> we'll see eh :)
[07:55] <jussi> come on scotland? :P :P
[07:55] <jussi> oh, and "Morning all"
[07:56] <MooDoo> jussi: shush you ;) and morning
[07:57] <jussi> hehe
[07:59] <jussi> hows things MooDoo?
[08:01] <MooDoo> jussi: yeah ok thanks, just rebuilt my vps as as i'm here it's workied :D
[08:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wow - there's some hard-core code on here: http://www.darpa.mil/OpenCatalog/index.html Shame I don't understand *any* of it ;-)
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> the names are interesting too
[08:12] <MooDoo> code?  where were going we don't need any code....
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo++ # Heavy, doc!
[08:13] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: what you talking about, I thought everyone knew about Linear Algebra heheh
[08:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> I only know about chillies.
[08:15] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: yum
[08:15] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: stuff the global jam, how about a Ubuntu Chilli jam at your place ;)
[08:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> My 2014 season so far: https://plus.google.com/photos/104060033182234025482/albums/5975387695779422977
[08:16] <MooDoo> oooo nice
[08:33] <diplo> I'd like to grow chillis this year, guessing it's to late already ? Or can you grow all year round TheOpenSourcerer ?
[08:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo: If you grow C.Anuumm you are not too late at all. I;ve not started those yet. All the ones so far are C.Chinense or C.Baccatum
[08:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> If you have light and heat you can grow all year.
[08:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> And space of course.
[08:36] <MooDoo> I made a fatel error last year by keeping them outside at the start, ooops nono
[08:36] <popey> pip pip
[08:36] <MooDoo> howdy popey
[08:37] <popey> i should sleep
[08:37] <MooDoo> yes you should :D
[08:38] <MooDoo> unless your still playing your card game :d
[08:48] <diplo> Cheers TheOpenSourcerer, sorry phone went. I will have a read up tonight thanks
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> NP
[08:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool stuff. Another awesome thing for graphene: http://spectrum.ieee.org/nanoclast/semiconductors/materials/graphene-nanoribbons-get-electrons-to-behave-like-photons  - "Ballistic transport" :-D
[09:02] <dwatkins> ooh, that might lead to room-temperature superconductors, perhaps
[09:04] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:05] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:06] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[09:07] <DJones> bigcalm: Did you get your laptop fully working yet, or is nvidia still being a pig
[09:07] <MooDoo> morning morning
[09:07] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:08] <bigcalm> DJones: I have bug 1276816 but the machine it working well otherwise :)
[09:08] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Wave All Your Fingers At Your Neighbours Day! :-D
[09:09] <DJones> bigcalm: Ta, I think I've found an excuse to get work to buy me a laptop, so that Dell might well be a decent option
[09:09] <bigcalm> DJones: well worth buying the laptop I'd say. I expect bugs to be fixed before 14.04 is released
[09:09] <bigcalm> Yay
[09:09] <DJones> Which model was it, I need to bookmark it & then see about pricing
[09:11] <bigcalm> http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-15-7537/pd - but they appear to have changed the available options
[09:12] <DJones> Thanks, that was roughly what I was looking at
[09:12] <knightwise> morning everyone
[09:13] <MooDoo> morning knightwise
[09:13] <DJones> bigcalm: Was also looking at this one http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aspire-V3-571G-15-6-inch-Bluetooth-Graphics/dp/B00B0TLP8G/ref=sr_1_14?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1387374370&sr=1-14&keywords=ACER+ASPIRE+V3-571G
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> bluetooth graphics!
[09:15] <cocoa117> what's the easiet way for linxu admin to get code onto all his controlled machine?
[09:15] <cocoa117>  other then write a virus, :)
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> cocoa117: ansible, chef, puppet are the 3 big tools for that :)
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> cocoa117: juju, maybe too
[09:16] <cocoa117> MartijnVdS, so we need to prepare each machine with those packages, before this can be automated?
[09:16] <bigcalm> DJones: that one has an optical media drive. Might be worth it if you need one
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> cocoa117: yes, but you can automate a lot of it using a preseeded install
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> cocoa117: though ansible just uses ssh, I think, an chef has a tool you run in one place to install it on another server
[09:17] <cocoa117> MartijnVdS, ok, time for me to learn few more tools today, :) thanks for the suggestions
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> cocoa117: I don't know enough about puppet to tell you how that works
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> cocoa117: but you tend to choose 1 of those 3, don't mix them ;)
[09:17] <cocoa117> MartijnVdS, got it
[09:17] <DJones> bigcalm: Just comparing the cpu benchmark, there's quite a difference in that score 6877 for the asus, compared to 3939 for the dell, although the dell appears to have a newer graphics card
[09:18] <bigcalm> DJones: I guess I didn't look around as much as I could have. I've had acers in the past and haven't been that impressed with the build quality over dell
[09:19] <DJones> bigcalm: Yeah, I've not had an Asus myself, (wife's got one and not had any issues), Dells have always been good quality though
[09:20] <DJones> The other one I'm thinking about is http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Z510-15-6-inch-Laptop-i7-4700MQ/dp/B00HR6TYZC/ref=sr_1_28?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1391762020&sr=1-28
[09:20] <DJones> But only 1gb graohics
[09:21] <bigcalm> DJones: it doesn't say what the screen res is
[09:21] <bigcalm> Oh, found it
[09:21] <DJones> I guess swings & roundabouts in the end, faster processor compared to better graphics
[09:22] <DJones> All 3 are same screen size, and looking the nvidia can go to 2Gb
[09:22] <bigcalm> The dell can do 16gb ram out of the box, may be able to take it higher - who knows
[09:23] <bigcalm> Looks like you have some nice things to decide between
[09:24] <bigcalm> You'll have the same teething nvidia troubles with all of those laptops
[09:25] <DJones> Yeah I'd expect so anyway
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> so, don't buy nvidia!
[09:26] <DJones> I guess on specs, the Lenovo looks slightly better is I can find one with a 2Gb nvidia
[09:28] <MooDoo> do you need the fast graphics, are you planning on playing games or using wibbly windows ;)
[09:28] <brobostigon> windows that shimmy,
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: HL2 and friends run fine on haswell onboard graphics
[09:28] <DJones> MooDoo: Well, MInecraft
[09:29] <MooDoo> DJones: nuff said :D  minecraft ftw, I run my own Feed the BEast Server :D
[09:30] <DJones> MooDoo: Are there other games?
[09:30] <MooDoo> DJones: well no not really, although I'm just waiting for steam to convery bioshock infinite to be able to run on linux, then I'll be happy :D
[09:57] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:57] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:03] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: MooDoo: how am ya both?
[10:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: tired, need a holiday
[10:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: cracking now i've rebuilt my vps to LTS
[10:12] <davmor2> MooDoo: ha nice
[10:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: :( I'll get my little violin out and play a tune just for you ;)  You still work on holiday so it can't be that bad :P
[10:13] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah i'm tralking to you from it now irrsi + screen  FTW!
[10:14] <bigcalm> davmor2: off to Liverpool tonight for the weekend (if Hayley is well enough). We'll see if I relax up there
[10:15] <davmor2> MooDoo: byobu-tmux + irssi + irssi-proxy + any local irc client == WIN!
[10:15] <MooDoo> davmor2: ok smarty pants.
[10:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: no you'll have a phone so at some point you will check your email which will make you think hmm if I do this this and this and then before you know it you're working ;)
[10:17] <davmor2> MooDoo: irssi proxy pretty much rocks :)
[10:18] <shauno> that's pretty much my setup - sans byobu, I never saw the appeal
[10:19] <knightwise> byobu is pretty great to keep sessions runnign and stuff
[10:19] <knightwise> terminal server style , handy if you log in from different locations
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> yeah but annoying if you log into one machine from 2 terminals on the same machine
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> I haven't figured out how to switch to another "window" without the other viewer switching as well
[10:21] <shauno> well, screen/tmux I can use for that .. byobu just seems to add .. fluff?
[10:21] <bigcalm> davmor2: in that respect, I never stop working
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> shauno: nice key bindings, some useful "task bar" things like time and system load
[10:22] <shauno> well that'd be a start; I've never found a use for the task bar :)
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it also contains the window list.. it tells you when a background window has activity (and maybe wants your attention)
[10:25] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: just split the screen byobu acts like terminator :)
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I don't use terminator
[10:28] <shauno> my fun 'trick' is that I've rebound all the keys in my terminal app, so eg cmd-T does "send hex 0x01 0x63"
[10:28] <shauno> this way screen uses all the native keybindings when I'm on my own machine, but acts just like screen should when I connect from somewhere else
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> weird! :)
[10:57] <MooDoo> someone having issues? ;)
[11:04] <bigcalm> Humm
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> hey, it's hazrpg!
[11:07] <hazrpg> MartijnVdS: herro!
[11:11] <hazrpg> I just converted to tmux
[11:11] <MartijnVdS> \o/ another convert ;)
[11:11] <hazrpg> and it seems to not play nicely with .tmux.conf lol
[11:11] <hazrpg> or at least using it through byobu anyway
[11:14] <hazrpg> I wanted to set a few things as "default" windows... but that seems to spawn MANY tmux instances for some bizzare reason
[11:14] <hazrpg> anyways, how is everyone?
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> a bit busy, but fine. You? :)
[11:15] <hazrpg> Yeah not too bad. :)
[11:21] <hazrpg> finally got a career going \o/
[11:23] <dwatkins> yay tmux
[11:34] <MooDoo> bloomin customers
[11:34] <neuro> i keep saying, life would be so much easier without customers and users
[11:34] <dwatkins> I thoroughly agree, MooDoo
[11:35] <neuro> less interesting, perhaps
[11:35] <neuro> and salaryless too
[11:35] <neuro> but easier
[11:35] <MooDoo> I'm right your wrong, well that's not acceptable i want a different answer....raaaaa
[11:38] <neuro> very customer. wow. so wrong.
[11:38] <MooDoo> just annoying and me being me I get frustrated about it
[11:53] <hazrpg> dwatkins: \o/ tmux
[11:54] <dwatkins> I use tmux and screen, one inside the other.
[12:16] <davmor2> dwatkins: you know they get that effect from mirrors normally
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: what kind of career? :)
[12:34] <jussi> YACoT FTW :D
[12:35] <davmor2> MooDoo: but that's what letmegooglethatfor you is for surely ;)
[12:35] <MooDoo> davmor2: alas no.
[12:36] <davmor2> MooDoo: well at least play sadtrombone.com to them :D
[12:36] <MooDoo> davmor2: I can't do that, i'm a professional i send them to tumbleweed.popey.com
[12:36] <davmor2> MooDoo: hahaha
[12:55] <dwatkins> davmor2: impressive
[13:14] <bigcalm> We are hiring! http://siftware.com/needs-you/
[13:15] <jpds> I hope no PHP is involved in a weapons system.
[13:16] <bigcalm> Heh
[13:16] <bigcalm> Quite
[13:25] <hazrpg> MartijnVdS: Analyst/Developer at a uni
[13:26] <foobarry> which ?
[13:26] <foobarry> which country :P
[13:27] <hazrpg> in the UK ^_^
[13:28] <foobarry> which uni :P
[13:28] <foobarry> n/s/e/w
[13:29] <hazrpg> foobarry: does it matter :P?
[13:29] <foobarry> yes, please PM me :P
[13:30] <foobarry> i am interested
[13:30] <foobarry> especially to hear of .ac.uk workers on irc
[13:33] <neuro> wait, a work from home job
[13:33] <neuro> and they'll send you an aeron and a coffee machine?
[13:34] <neuro> and fruit?
[14:11] <popey> Morning
[14:11] <hazrpg> neuro: i noticed that too... o.O
[14:12] <hazrpg> morning popey
[14:14] <neuro> i'd rather not have the money spent on that stuff and spent towards my salary ;)
[14:15] <hazrpg> neuro: agreed :P
[14:15] <MooDoo> you guys get paid to work? luxury ;)
[14:16] <bashrc> in mah day...
[14:16] <hazrpg> MooDoo: I hear its all the range ^_^
[14:19] <MooDoo> hazrpg: I think I'm getting fleeced, at work on facebook and irc and not getting paid...;)
[14:19] <hazrpg> MooDoo: :P
[14:28] <MooDoo> :)
[15:51] <xalyy> hey
[15:51] <mapps> heylo
[15:51] <xalyy> halo :D?
[15:52] <xalyy> Can someone help me how to configure the network without DHCP?
[15:53] <xalyy> Have no connection on my dedicated server :S
[15:53] <mapps> hm
[15:53] <mapps> /etc/network/interfaces is the file i think
[15:53] <xalyy> Yes but how do I know what is the defult ip gateway etc?
[15:53] <mapps> ah do u not know any of the details?
[15:53] <mapps> you need to know those
[15:54] <xalyy> not really :S
[15:55] <xalyy> Where can I know it?
[15:55] <mapps> can u access the svr at all now
[15:55] <xalyy> svr?
[15:56] <mapps> server
[15:56] <bashrc> Something like this, maybe http://freedombone.uk.to/#sec-4.2
[15:57] <xalyy> i can access to the server
[15:57] <xalyy> trough KVM
[15:57] <xalyy> DRAC KVM
[15:58] <directhex> either you have DHCP, or your server provider tells you the details
[15:58] <directhex> there is no middle ground
[15:58] <xalyy> So I have to ask from the server provider?
[16:02] <directhex> the server provider should already have told you. or configured dhcp.
[16:02] <xalyy> Only the server provider can activate DHCP
[16:02] <xalyy> ?
[16:05] <xalyy> People?
[16:23] <popey> foobarry: looks like we may have a 12.04.5 with a trusty (14.04) HWE kernel, which will be nice for those on 12.04
[16:23] <popey> foobarry: currently under discussion
[16:26] <neuro> popey: what about existing installs?
[16:27] <neuro> will they get a kernel bump or would it have to be manually changed?
[16:27] <neuro> and would new installs get the new kernel by default?
[16:27] <neuro> (yeah, i know it's just under discussion at the mo, but just asking!)
[16:31] <foobarry> cheers popey
[16:32] <foobarry> 12.04 still feels new to me
[16:32] <mapps> no hmm i foolishly removed a package i shouldnt have which removed other stuff (libdb5.1) now i have no internet
[16:32] <mapps> wlan0 showing under iwconfig - what can i do to fix this;/
[16:32] <foobarry> restore from your btfrs snapshot
[16:32] <neuro> tee hee
[16:32] <mapps> lol neuro
[16:33] <mapps> i was having trouble with squdguard saw somewhere mention use libdb5.3 so removed 5.1 and yea things went wrong
[16:33] <mapps> foobarry,  how?:/
[16:34] <diddledan__> scud-guard, eh? terrorist missile protection system?
[16:34] <mapps> squidgiard
[16:34] <mapps> :P
[16:34] <mapps> guard
[16:35] <mapps> enough of the mocking..someone help!
[16:35] <diddledan__> can you dpkg -i <downloaded libdb from packages.ubuntu.com>?
[16:36] <mapps> i could either i figured a) download on here and put on a usb key or b) use the cd?
[16:36] <diddledan__> i.e. via download on a separate system
[16:36] <mapps> im not sure what I need to install - iwconfig shows wlan0 as i sya but nothing in ifconfig
[16:38] <foobarry> /var/log/apt/history.log
[16:39] <mapps> download all those packages manually and install?
[16:39] <shauno> a handy one is apt-get -d (download only).  apt-get -d install the stuff you broke, and then copy *deb from /var/cache/apt/archives/ on that machine, to the stranded one
[16:39] <neuro> "There is a technical problem with the Payment Server. Please try again later."
[16:39] <mapps> i was going to dl on a windows machine the *.debs not got another working linux machine
[16:39] <neuro> well screw you too, Currys
[16:40] <popey> trying to get a chromecast?
[16:41] <neuro> na
[16:41] <neuro> wouldn't sully my home with one of those
[16:42] <neuro> doing a tech run on currys and maplins
[16:42] <diddledan__> o_O currys are selling chromecasts?
[16:42] <neuro> hdmi switch, ethernet cables, indoor aerial, tplink powerline, roku 3 ... whole bunch of stuff
[16:42] <shauno> by the sound of his error message, they're not selling anything :p
[16:44] <neuro> don't see any chromecasts on their site
[16:44] <neuro> but they have a "Hurry! Last few" on Roku LTs for 30 quid
[16:44] <diddledan__> me either on the seeing of chromecasts
[16:47] <popey> soon
[16:48] <neuro> oh good
[16:48] <neuro> a queue
[16:48] <neuro> on an 0844 number
[16:48] <neuro> my phone bill will hate me
[16:48] <brobostigon> next wednesday of workfare/mwa to go, and thats it, done and finshed, finally, then normality can return.
[16:48] <mapps> so ive got to dl about 50 packages shauno |
[16:48] <mapps> ?
[16:53] <shauno> I can't tell you, it depends what you removed :)
[16:53] <shauno> actually, I'd take a peek in /var/cache/apt anyway to see if you still have the old one.  depending what your housekeeping is like, there may be more spare parts than you'd expect in there
[16:54] <mapps> lots it seems
[16:54] <mapps> ah it stores the packages there
[16:54]  * popey flys home to blighty today
[16:55] <popey> window seat + sleep should work
[16:56] <jpds> Business class?
[16:56] <popey> lol
[16:56] <jpds> I get free upgrades these days.
[16:56] <popey> i dont fly enough
[16:57] <popey> which i am fine with btw
[16:57] <popey> a couple of trips to florida a year are fine by me
[16:57] <jpds> You don't want to look at my calendar.
[16:57]  * popey has flashbacks of dancing on a table last night with a belly dancer
[16:57] <popey> no doubt photos will pop up soon
[16:58]  * AlanBell wonders if the belly dancer is having flashbacks too
[16:58] <jpds> "I was with Elvis!"
[16:58] <jpds> AlanBell: Yep.
[17:01] <davmor2> popey: how did a dancer manager to balance on your belly let alone a table
[17:01] <mapps> thanks shauno
[17:02] <mapps> there's LOADS there..hopefully most of the stuff i removed in error
[17:02] <mapps> wish i hadnt done it lol
[17:02] <mapps> it even said 'are you sure and made me enter 'Yes i am ' or whatever
[17:03] <diddledan__> Do as I say
[17:03] <diddledan__> not as I do :-p
[17:03] <mapps> :)
[17:04] <mapps> urgh
[17:04] <mapps> gotta go out in a bit
[17:04] <mapps> what a chore
[17:08] <mapps> hope this fixes it
[17:09] <shauno> mapps: quick lesson there.  if it asks y/n, answer yes or no.  if it asks you to type in "yes I know what I'm doing", abort abort abort
[17:10] <mapps> heh yea wish i had
[17:10] <mapps> :D
[17:11] <mapps> clearly means dont do it
[17:11] <daftykins> D:
[17:11] <shauno> if all you broke was the wifi, you got off easily.  usually it starts doing that when it's going to try to remove core components, or remove itself ..
[17:12] <daftykins> i believe i have a new achievement today folks
[17:12] <daftykins> i nearly "locked up" a Costa coffee girl from speech alone
[17:12] <daftykins> "can i have that muffin without the paper bag?"
[17:12] <daftykins> "..."
[17:12] <daftykins> "..."
[17:13] <daftykins> she really could not compute that.
[17:13] <mapps> kik
[17:13] <mapps> lol
[17:13] <mapps> costa?
[17:13] <mapps> fancy
[17:13] <mapps> :D
[17:13] <mapps> ive never been to any of these coffee joints
[17:13] <daftykins> ah not especially, the island's had two for a while now
[17:14] <daftykins> i'm a bit spoilt though y'see, i have those two Costas and another 3 or 4 coffee shops within about 30m from my front door, as i live right in town
[17:14] <daftykins> where town = my island's capital
[17:25] <mapps> well
[17:26] <mapps> reinstalled everything from /var/cache/apt except xfce-power something and gnlme-mnetwork-manager opefully everything works
[17:26]  * mapps has his fingers crossed
[17:28] <mapps> apparently not
[17:28] <mapps> hm
[17:29] <daftykins> what did you remove?
[17:29] <mapps> libdb5.1
[17:29] <mapps> and it removed a load of other stuff
[17:29] <daftykins> you could just run apt-cache showpkg libdb5.1
[17:29] <daftykins> or apt-cache policy libdb5.1
[17:29] <mapps> i went to theapt cacheand just did dpkg -i *.deb :) it failed on 2/3 one was gnome-network-manager does it need that?
[17:29] <mapps> im on xubuntu
[17:29] <mapps> sec
[17:30] <daftykins> and it'll list all its' dependancies to pull them back in in one hit \o/
[17:30] <mapps> hmm
[17:30] <daftykins> hmm, probably not important nah
[17:30] <daftykins> i don't know whether xfce uses NM
[17:31] <mapps> ok how do i reverse it then
[17:33] <daftykins> did you run showpkg or policy on the package?
[17:34] <mapps> yea
[17:34] <mapps> showpkg showed loads of reverse depends
[17:36] <mapps> ok wlan0 appears in ifconfig
[17:36] <mapps> hm
[17:36] <daftykins> i'm only on 10.04 so i can't see myself
[17:36] <mapps> maybe i could edit /etc/network/interfaces to get it working and ignore having no network manager for now?
[17:36] <daftykins> well, you'd have to play around with WPA supplicant if you've got a passkey on your network
[17:37] <mapps> ah
[17:37] <mapps> why cant i restart my network either
[17:37] <daftykins> i've not seen that work for years now
[17:37] <mapps> /etc/init.d/networking restart says calling a sytsvinit script on a system using upstar isnt supported - then service networking restart unknown job networking
[17:39] <daftykins> yeah, i'm not sure of the correct name but even the service restart method i've not seen work when modifying the interfaces file anymore
[17:41] <diddledan__> yeah the powers that be have determined that thou must reboob for network changes unless you're using NM
[17:41] <daftykins> =/
[17:41] <daftykins> diddledan inserting naughty typos there
[17:41] <diddledan__> me?
[17:41] <diddledan__> never!
[17:41] <mapps> ah ok
[17:41] <mapps> so it isnt an error with my machine
[17:41] <daftykins> nah
[17:42] <daftykins> mapps: i wonder if you can't just install xubuntu-desktop^ to check everything's back
[17:42] <mapps> quick question gnome-network-maager needed network-manager network0manager needing dnsmasq - so to save me going and dl and putting on usb can i get these off my xubuntu cd? set that as the repo or something?
[17:42] <diddledan__> with /etc/init.d/networking restart it'll either flat out fail or leave you in a weird state
[17:42] <mapps> how would i use the cd as the source/
[17:42] <daftykins> mapps: nah only the alternate CD can be used as a repo
[17:42] <daftykins> afaik
[17:42] <mapps> arghh
[17:42] <shauno> apt-cdrom if it's installed
[17:43] <daftykins> mapps: did wireless work in the live environment? boot, connect and chroot your install to fix \o/
[17:43] <daftykins> !chroot
[17:43] <mapps> ah
[17:43] <mapps> i cant remember
[17:43] <mapps> lol
[17:43] <daftykins> worth a go :)
[17:43] <mapps> but good idew#aok got dnsmasq and network-managet installed heh
[17:44] <diddledan__> I wonder how many people are going to be left in the cold in 60 days when xp support ends
[17:44] <diddledan__> mapps: that's an impressive typo
[17:44] <mapps> err
[17:44] <mapps> yes
[17:44] <daftykins> diddledan__: given they extended the date for MS Security Essentials people will no doubt think they're safe for longer =/
[17:45] <mapps> i was looking away on other machine
[17:45] <mapps> lol
[17:45] <daftykins> really annoying they did that.
[17:45] <diddledan__> daftykins: so it's a case that MS won't prevent you being infected but they'll helpfully tell you once you are?
[17:46] <daftykins> indeed! 8D
[17:46] <shauno> they should post a wee message to the corner where my ones keep saying I'm a freeloader.  something along the lines of "shafted in 60 days .."
[17:46] <diddledan__> lol
[17:46] <diddledan__> that wording sounds perfect
[17:47] <diddledan__> I'm not sure MS would use the same terms though :-(
[17:47] <shauno> (not a naughty freeloader, just a '180 days trial is 179 days more than I need' freeloader)
[17:47] <shauno> probably not.  I had a similar conversation with my boss this afternoon
[17:47] <shauno> apparently my emails could benefit from a little less personality
[17:48] <diddledan__> wait, they want a personal touch that isn't personal?
[17:48] <mapps> so il boot into live environment daftykins
[17:48] <mapps> then what
[17:48] <diddledan__> I thought businesses were all about improving customer relations with personal touch
[17:49] <Azelphur> I wish tesco would sell gallon bottles of apple/orange juice, I feel ridiculous ordering 20 1 litre boxes >.<
[17:49] <diddledan__> Azelphur: then order 10 2libre boxes?
[17:49] <Azelphur> there are no 2 litres :P
[17:49] <diddledan__> litre**
[17:49] <diddledan__> really?
[17:50] <diddledan__> there are in sainsburys
[17:50] <shauno> well aren't you posh
[17:50] <mapps> ]heh
[17:50] <Azelphur> not of plain orange juice (not squash, etc)
[17:50] <mapps> sainsburys isnt that much more expensive
[17:50] <mapps> misconception
[17:50] <Azelphur> xD
[17:50] <mapps> which is good as it means its less busy
[17:50] <mapps> much prefer going to sainsburys :)
[17:50] <Azelphur> I mostly order tesco since I can pay in BTC :)
[17:50] <mapps> haha nice
[17:50] <shauno> witchcraft?
[17:50] <daftykins> mapps: get connected to your wireless then chroot your install on the hard disk
[17:51] <mapps> ok not entirely sure i follow -0 can you help me in a bit please?
[17:51] <daftykins> did you see the bot trigger?
[17:51] <mapps> ya
[17:51] <daftykins> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[17:52] <mapps> woohoo
[17:52] <mapps> connected in a live environment
[17:52] <daftykins> basically you want to choose a mount point, maybe /mnt/chroot then mount your / (root) partition to /mnt/chroot/ and then any other partitions you have beneath that
[17:53] <mapps> yea
[17:53] <mapps> and then what try and run some apt-get update etc?
[17:53] <daftykins> i think you need /proc and something else there too
[17:53] <mapps> or re-install the xubuntu-desktop onto that hdd?
[17:53] <daftykins> yep you chroot to that mount path, then you can handle package management as if you were in the installed version
[17:53] <daftykins> albeit with connected wireless \o/
[17:53] <mapps> wish id just said NO
[17:53] <mapps> lol
[17:53] <daftykins> :D
[17:53] <daftykins> ah well
[17:54] <daftykins> hindsight's 21/21
[18:07] <daftykins> mapps: how's it looking?
[19:03] <mapps> hey
[19:03] <mapps> sorry
[19:03] <mapps> had to go to sainsburys;p
[19:03] <mapps> do my shopping
[19:08] <mapps> hm
[19:08] <mapps> daftykins,  why ca nt i ssh to it?
[19:08] <mapps> installed openssh-server
[19:08] <mapps> hmm
[19:09] <jpds> To a chroot?
[19:09] <mapps> wanted to ssh to the live env from my netbook
[19:09] <mapps> so i could try and fix it remoyely
[19:10] <jpds> I just entered and have no idea what this 'live env' is.
[19:10] <mapps> aha
[19:10] <mapps> live environment
[19:11] <jpds> Right, so, that could be live CD, live server, live cloud instance, ...
[19:12] <jpds> Oh, I see, you're in a live CD env and are trying to chroot into the installed system?
[19:12] <mapps> yes sir
[19:13] <jpds> Check 'ip addr' and see if it has an IP?
[19:16] <mapps> it does
[19:16] <mapps> ifconfig say so
[19:19] <jpds> If it's on the same network, you should be able to ssh to that IP.
[19:20] <mapps> yea
[19:20] <mapps> hmm
[19:20] <mapps> how can i check if its running
[19:20] <mapps> /etc/init.d/ssh restart just doesnt say anything
[19:20] <daftykins> netstat -tuln should show port 22 listening
[19:21] <mapps> thanks
[19:21] <mapps> hmm
[19:21] <mapps> doesnt say anything
[19:21] <mapps> i did apt-gfet install openssh-server then i checkedc config and did /etc/init.d/ssh restart any ideas daftykins ?
[19:22] <daftykins> should see: tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:22
[19:22] <daftykins> can it ping your router?
[19:23] <jpds> Or even just :::22.
[19:24] <mapps> not there
[19:24] <mapps> yea i can
[19:24] <mapps> but it doesnt seem to be running?
[19:25] <daftykins> ps -ef | grep ssh
[19:25] <daftykins> that show sshd?
[19:25] <daftykins> anywho SSH'ing in isn't even needed to chroot so why are we diagnosing this? :D
[19:26] <mapps> cant see it
[19:26] <mapps> any idea why it isnt running
[19:26] <daftykins> nope
[19:27] <jpds> mapps: So, silly question.
[19:27] <jpds> mapps: You did connect the live environment to the network?
[19:28] <daftykins> if he's pinging his router i hope so ;D
[19:28] <mapps> yep
[19:28] <mapps> :)
[19:29] <mapps> hmm
[19:29] <mapps> daftykins,  so i could ssh in heh
[19:48] <daftykins> mapps: hrmm, i'd have thought just sort it locally ;)
[19:48] <daftykins> shouldn't take long
[19:49] <mapps> hmm
[19:49] <mapps> my passport application has my first and second name but the box says first and surname
[19:49] <mapps> do i need to get a new form?
[19:49] <mapps> or will it be ok as it is
[19:52] <DJones> Probably not, if it expects surname, it'll need surname
[19:52] <mapps> yea
[19:52] <mapps> err
[19:52] <mapps> sorry i meant first and middle name
[19:52] <mapps> but i didnt put my middle name
[19:58] <SuperMatt> to
[19:58] <SuperMatt> yo
[20:01] <mapps> ok daftykins
[20:01] <mapps> im starting npw
[20:01] <daftykins> ok
[20:02] <mapps> installed debootstrap and dchroot - it says to create var/chroot
[20:02] <mapps> do i need to ? or not as im using my existing filesystem?
[20:02] <daftykins> the live environment has its' own file system right now, so you need to pick a path where you're going to mount your installation to
[20:03] <daftykins> interestingly enough a chap in #ubuntu pastebin'd his little shortcut to setting up a chroot just earlier
[20:03] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6892565/
[20:03] <daftykins> however in there, that's assuming that /dev/sda1 = / (your root filesystem)
[20:03] <daftykins> and that there are no more
[20:03] <daftykins> so you may want to confirm your disk structure with "sudo fdisk -l" to start with
[20:05] <mapps> lets see
[20:05] <mapps> /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 hm
[20:05] <mapps> ah
[20:06] <mapps> /dev/sda1 linux /dev/sda extended and sda5? 2-5 hm is swap
[20:06] <mapps> /dev/sda2 extended
[20:06] <mapps> so /dev/sda1 is my /?
[20:06] <daftykins> can you run "sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit" ?
[20:06] <daftykins> pastebinit might need installing
[20:08] <mapps> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6893290
[20:08] <mapps> wow cool little tool
[20:08] <mapps> id never know of pastebinit
[20:08] <mapps> /dev/sdb is my usb stick ive got in there atm
[20:08] <mapps> sda1 must be root
[20:08] <daftykins> ah you'll be fine running the exact pastebin i linked then
[20:09] <daftykins> with the huge long string
[20:09] <mapps> neato
[20:09] <DJones> sdb is 500Gb memory stick? Disk /dev/sdb: 500.1 GB
[20:10] <DJones> How much did that cost as a USB stick? I'm guesisng you mean SDC is a 16Gb memory stick
[20:10] <daftykins> :D
[20:10] <mapps> err
[20:10] <mapps> sdc
[20:10] <mapps> lol
[20:10] <mapps> sorry
[20:11] <mapps> yes DJones
[20:11] <mapps> nerd:P
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> sdhc? :)
[20:11] <mapps> hehe
[20:11] <DJones> That could have been a fatal error
[20:11] <mapps> lol yea
[20:11] <mapps> i did mean sdc tho:D
[20:11] <mapps> sdb was in a usb enclosure as a usb hdd but not a usb pen drive
[20:11] <mapps> sdc is a usb stick
[20:11] <daftykins> *insert atom bomb mushroom cloud here*
[20:11] <mapps> map types YES
[20:11] <mapps> lol
[20:11] <daftykins> XD
[20:11] <mapps> thats what got me in this mess hey
[20:11] <diddledan__> mushroom - isn't that an extra life?
[20:12] <daftykins> mapps: so you should be sat at a chroot'd prompt of your actual install now
[20:12] <daftykins> mapps: you could confirm by running "ls /home" and seeing your user's home folder
[20:12] <mapps> moment
[20:12] <mapps> jm
[20:13] <mapps> yep
[20:13] <mapps> its there
[20:13] <mapps> :D
[20:13] <mapps> now whats the plan though? to run apt-get update/dist-upgrade and hope it affects the chroot / ?
[20:13] <diddledan__> ok, now rm -rf .........
[20:13] <mapps> lol
[20:13] <mapps> rm -rf /?
[20:13] <mapps> :P
[20:14] <diddledan__> something along those lines :-p
[20:14] <mapps> diddledan__, joker eh
[20:14] <mapps> :P
[20:14] <mapps> lol
[20:14] <diddledan__> always
[20:14] <daftykins> he doesn't know how to serious.
[20:14] <daftykins> poor lad
[20:14] <daftykins> mapps: so yeah wouldn't hurt to start off with the above
[20:14] <diddledan__> hey at least I'm having fun :-D
[20:14] <mapps> wjhich one daftykins ?
[20:15] <daftykins> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:15] <daftykins> although you might be as root right now so 'sudo' may not even be necessary
[20:15] <diddledan__> you mentioned xubuntu - in which case you _should_ be able to get back to a sane default by apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[20:16] <daftykins> yeah
[20:16] <daftykins> perhaps after the above
[20:16] <mapps> ok moment :)
[20:16] <mapps> yea i am as root daftykins
[20:16] <diddledan__> yeah, do daftykins' process first
[20:17] <mapps> hmm
[20:17] <mapps> its saying it xanrt resolve the domains?
[20:17] <mapps> yet i can go to google.cxo.uk
[20:17] <mapps> lol
[20:18] <mapps> any suggestions?;/
[20:18] <daftykins> cat /etc/resolv.conf
[20:18] <diddledan__> ^
[20:18] <mapps> yea but i can reach them in fireefox
[20:18] <shauno> inside the chroot will be trying to use the resolvconf inside the chroot (it can't see outside, that's the point).
[20:18] <mapps> ah
[20:18] <mapps> thanks
[20:18] <daftykins> so just slap your router IP / 8.8.8.8 into /etc/resolv.conf
[20:18] <mapps> resolv.conf is empty
[20:18] <mapps> yea
[20:19] <mapps> cheers
[20:19] <daftykins> np
[20:19] <mapps> didnt realise shauno  && dafty
[20:19] <mapps> many thanks
[20:19] <diddledan__> echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 > /etc/resolv.conf
[20:19] <daftykins> ^_^ s'all good
[20:19] <mapps> explains why i coould do an nslookup in one terminal and not in the other
[20:19] <diddledan__> bingo
[20:19] <daftykins> yipyip
[20:19] <mapps> aha
[20:20] <mapps> and now it works
[20:20] <mapps> :D
[20:20] <daftykins> \o/
[20:20] <mapps> should i do upgrade && dist-upgrade|
[20:20] <diddledan__> WHEEE
[20:20] <diddledan__> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:20] <mapps> oke:)
[20:20] <diddledan__> note the first it update not upgrade
[20:20] <diddledan__> is*
[20:20] <mapps> ya
[20:21] <mapps> ok done both..didnt take long
[20:21] <mapps> hm
[20:21] <mapps> howcome i dont need to run apt-get upgrade
[20:21] <daftykins> dist-upgrade is an alternative
[20:22] <diddledan__> dist-upgrade is a more forceful upgrade
[20:22] <daftykins> so now: apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[20:22] <daftykins> see if it finds any packages that need to go on
[20:22] <mapps> yea
[20:22] <mapps> 36.5mb of packages
[20:23] <daftykins> ooh
[20:23] <mapps> install
[20:23] <mapps> YES
[20:23] <mapps> :)
[20:23] <daftykins> so you could be brave now and boot into it
[20:23] <mapps> waiting for it to finish this
[20:23] <mapps> :d
[20:23] <diddledan__> one the install is done
[20:23] <mapps> then we will try i guess
[20:23] <mapps> yea
[20:24] <mapps> hope this works
[20:24] <daftykins> you'll want to safely unmount it before reboot, just to be sure
[20:24] <mapps> ah
[20:24] <mapps> umount the chroot?
[20:24] <daftykins> so you'll type 'exit' then 'sudo umount /dev/sda1'
[20:24] <mapps> sudo umount /dev/sda1?
[20:24] <mapps> yea
[20:24] <daftykins> then just reboot
[20:24] <daftykins> yank the flash drive, then we shall see :O
[20:24] <diddledan__> sudo reboot, surely? :-p
[20:25] <shauno> meh, it's a livecd, if you've unmounted the real disks you can reboot any which way you like.
[20:25] <diddledan__> shauno: make me a sammich
[20:25] <shauno> just make sure you exit the chroot before you umount.  else it'll tell you sdb1 isn't mounted but it is
[20:26] <diddledan__> you also want to be sure your bash isn't cd'd into the directory you mounted it under
[20:26] <shauno> (you have no mtab inside the chroot, which is where mount points are tracked)
[20:26] <diddledan__> shauno: and no /proc/mounts, either
[20:26] <shauno> they're usually linked to the same thing these days, no ?
[20:27] <diddledan__> I'm unsure whether they're symlinked but they do show the same info
[20:27] <diddledan__> in the same format even
[20:27] <mapps> had a few errors
[20:27] <mapps> bluez bluean and bluez-alsa;i386
[20:27] <mapps> ignore and reboot?
[20:27] <diddledan__> usually when chrooting a dead system I'll cp /proc/mounts /etc/mtab
[20:27] <shauno> more just trying to avoid that if the chroot tells you sdb1 isn't mounted, it's lying, it's not safe to reboot yet
[20:27] <daftykins> sounds only bluetooth related so probably no big deal, yeah
[20:28] <shauno> I just mount proc in the chroot :)
[20:28] <diddledan__> yeah I do that too
[20:29] <shauno> anyway, not trying to confuse him.  just if the chroot tells you it's safe to reboot, it's lying
[20:29] <mapps> heh
[20:29] <mapps> so umount
[20:29] <mapps> reboot
[20:29] <daftykins> yip
[20:29] <daftykins> party time, excellent, etc.
[20:29] <daftykins> </Bill and Ted>
[20:29] <diddledan__> bogus
[20:31] <daftykins> D:
[20:31] <daftykins> Azelphur: hi sir, how do?
[20:33] <mapps> booting now
[20:33] <mapps> just going downstairs to cook..hope this fixed it:)
[20:33] <shauno> you're going to leave us in suspense?
[20:33] <daftykins> mapps: no cliffhangers!
[20:34] <mapps> lol
[20:34] <mapps> logigng in now
[20:35] <mapps> YES
[20:35] <mapps> its worked i think..i can see the wireless icon
[20:35] <shauno> you can has wifi?
[20:35] <mapps> yep working
[20:35] <mapps> :D
[20:35] <daftykins> \o/
[20:35] <mapps> thanks so much everyone:D gonna make a note of chroot and how this worked
[20:35] <daftykins> ^_^
[20:35] <shauno> and remember that when apt wants you to promise you know what you're doing, it knows better than you :p
[20:37] <daftykins> XD
[20:41] <shauno> I'm curious why libdb became essential though.  it's in universe on mine (lucid)
[20:42] <daftykins> i think i'll be replacing my lucid VMs with trusty once it goes final
[20:42] <daftykins> this one i'm on now only runs irssi yet i see it dip 2MB into swap XD
[20:42] <daftykins> (128MB RAM allocated)
[20:42] <shauno> well, I guess I have to replace them with something soonish
[20:42] <daftykins> i think we have until 2015 for server
[20:43] <shauno> atm I'm tempted to move it to deb7 just so I have the same thing everywhere though
[20:43] <daftykins> =]
[20:52] <diddledan__> I like using buntu everywhere
[20:53] <diddledan__> debian is a bit _too_ conservative for my liking
[20:53] <diddledan__> I like a bit of blood
[20:53] <diddledan__> (from the bleeding edge)
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> diddledan__: you should read the systemd debate on debian-tech-ctte then ;)
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> LOTS of blood there
[20:54] <diddledan__> lol
[20:54] <diddledan__> yeah, I can imagine
[21:27] <diddledan__> http://adafru.it/b94902
[21:50] <directhex> yay, i have permissions from valve to disclose the takeup numbers on the debian promotion
[21:51] <diddledan__> o_O
[21:52] <directhex> 279. that is the number of keys issued so far to eligible DDs or DMs
[21:53] <AlanBell> that is quite a lot
[21:53] <shauno> silly questio, but one key = the whole kit & kaboodle?  (ie, 279 devs, not 279 software titles)
[21:53] <diddledan__> I'm just sit here oblivious :p
[21:54] <directhex> shauno, yes
[21:55] <shauno> ta
[21:55] <directhex> subscription 14, if you know your way around steamdb
[21:56] <diddledan__> wow, that's a generous offer (I just read the debian devel announce post about it)
[22:06] <mapps> so glad i asked here..i almost reinstalled whole thing daftykins :P
[22:38] <mapps> daftykins,  around?
[22:38] <diddledan__> asquare!
[22:38] <mapps> got another query - infact this is what led me to endup screwing everythig up
[22:38] <mapps> :P
[22:42] <shauno> !ask  ;)
[22:43] <mapps> root@dimension:/usr/local/squidGuard/db# squidGuard -C all
[22:43] <mapps> DB->put: method not permitted before handle's open method
[22:44] <mapps> not sure what to do about that
[22:44] <mapps> i read its to do with libdm which is why i ended up removing 5.1 and causin problems
[22:47] <mapps> any ideas  ive googled it but cant find too much info on it really
[22:54] <shauno> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=894294   looks like it's trying to use something out of libdb4, and you have 5
[22:55] <shauno> per http://www.squidguard.org/Doc/known_issues.html  (first issue), BerkeleyDB up to version 4.6 is known to work properly. / Will be fixed in the next version.
[22:55] <mapps> howcome theres nothing else anywhere though
[22:55] <mapps> so i need to try and put 46 on?!
[22:56] <shauno> or wait for an update; I'm not sure how it works with having multiple versions of the same library
[22:56] <shauno> especially since today's trouble shows you require libdb for something else too
[22:57] <mapps> yep
[22:57] <mapps> removing it screwed everything up
[22:57] <mapps> hmm
[22:57] <mapps> i could try and use squidguard from the repos
[22:57] <mapps> but i was trying to learn to do things manually :)
[22:58] <diddledan__> I'd always recommend to use the repo where possible
[22:58] <shauno> seems 12.04 has 4.8, which would still be too recent.  otherwise I'd stick it in a VM
[22:59] <mapps> ok probably a dmb question
[22:59] <mapps> how do i 'remove' squidguard from source then /usr/local/squdguard
[23:00] <shauno> not a dumb question - an awkward question
[23:01] <mapps> :D
[23:01] <diddledan__> yeah. you might have some luck going into the source you compiled and running sudo make uninsstall
[23:01] <diddledan__> --s
[23:01] <mapps> bakc in 10mins gotta walk to work
[23:01] <mapps> ok
[23:16] <diddledan__> http://rudd-o.com/linux-and-free-software/ways-in-which-zfs-is-better-than-btrfs </flamebait>
[23:46] <map|work> yo
[23:46] <map|work> so as i was saying how do you remove something that you compiled and made from source - rm -rf the dir isnt going to sort it al?
[23:55] <map|work> damn everyones gone
[23:56] <map|work> daftykins?