[00:21] hmm, official now: http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/6/5385212/sony-sells-off-vaio-pc-division [00:37] I just followed a link from that article to the satya nadella article [00:37] i.e. new boss @ microsnot [00:42] yup [00:43] "cloud first, mobile first" [00:43] sounds like "developers developers developers" [00:43] it actually makes sense [00:43] yes it does [00:44] they need to get their act together or they'll be best known as that company who makes xboxes and office apps who also used to make some sort of window [00:45] if they can stop this notion that they can still dominate the consumer OS space, and concentrate on cloud platforms, enterprise OSes/apps and xbox, they'll go far [00:46] and try to fashion nokia into a blackberry-style platform for businesses [00:46] that's my thoughts anyway [00:47] windows 7 is only slightly better than windows 2000, windows 8 is a joke, meanwhile OS X and Linux have been on constant iterative innovation cycles leaving them with way more stable platforms and way more attractive development bases [00:48] let the marketplace migrate to android tablets and ubuntu desktop/laptops [00:48] and people will quickly scream for better apps than libreoffice [00:48] and they'll appear [00:49] libreoffice has been coming up with innovations, too, though [00:49] "we crash only once an hour now!" [00:49] like the latest release making it the only desktop office suite in existence that utilises the gPU [00:49] you sure about that? [00:50] *cough*iWork*cough* [00:50] that utilises the GPU for spreadsheet work? [00:50] e.g. [00:50] oh ok, that's new [00:50] no idea if OS X does that [00:50] I'm talking GPGPU [00:50] aka opencl [00:51] yeah, i figured [00:52] ref: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/4-2-new-features-and-fixes/#Formula Engine [00:52] bah @ bad paste [00:52] %20 :) [00:53] Engine should be part of the linky [00:53] yeah [00:53] still, pass ;) [00:54] http://www.libreoffice.org/features/writer/screenshot-of-writer-the-libreoffice-word-processor/ [00:54] yeah, it's ugly as sin [00:54] thing is, are there really any situations where that's going to actually save much time over CPU only? [00:55] daftykins: I guess it depends on the type of calculations you use a spreadsheet for [00:55] yeah [00:55] i've seen some pretty gnarly spreadsheets in my time [00:55] http://www.apple.com/uk/creativity-apps/mac/ [00:56] scroll down to look at Pages [00:56] yeah pages is pretty sweet === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [01:00] http://www.apple.com/uk/osx/whats-new/features.html#core [01:00] mavericks has opencl support built in [01:00] (actually, os x has had it since 2006 i think) [01:00] so it's possible numbers uses opencl without numbers actually realising it [01:00] opencl was invented by apple IIRC [01:01] yarp [01:02] developed by and holds the trademarks to [01:02] then iterated on by apple, amd, ibm, qcomm, intel, nvidia [01:02] then standarised [01:03] people wail on apple at times without actually realising some of the cool stuff they've given back to the community [01:03] cups, for example [01:03] what I really want is some of the tech from linux to work in osx like kvm [01:03] <3 osx [01:04] what, you mean without having to kludge it with an app like fusion or parallels? [01:04] bingo [01:04] wouldn't surprise me if it happened at some point [01:04] although their focus really isn't on servery enterprisey smelling stuff these days [01:04] indeed [01:04] i can only imagine what a 2014 xserve would be like [01:05] given the crazy stuff they did with the mac pro [01:05] well they canned the xserve :-( [01:05] i know [01:05] hence why i can only imagine :) [01:05] aah [01:05] i was toying with buying one off ebay the other day [01:05] most of them are a state [01:05] people selling them missing drive caddies and the like [01:05] dang [01:05] then i came to my senses [01:06] and started searching ebay for color classics :D [01:06] I bet they've still got the second-hand apple premium though [01:06] they do a bit yeah [01:06] the old ppc ones are reasonably priced [01:06] but like i say, finding a decent one is tough [01:06] a lot of them have had the crap kicked out of them [01:11] this is ridiculous: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321090423002 [01:11] i forgot people did that to color classics [01:12] "let's gut an LC575 and put it into a color classic!" [01:30] for some reason 'logic board' grates with me so much [01:30] :) [01:33] good grief [01:33] someone is selling an Atari Falcon 030 on ebay for ... [01:33] £799 [01:34] a steal! [01:34] i don't even think it cost that much when new [01:34] (i don't know that system) :D [01:35] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290795081472 [01:35] it's basically an Atari ST with a 68030 and Jaguar-like graphics capability [01:44] I do wish people would get "free as in beer" the correct way about [01:44] beer is not gratis, it's libre [01:44] BUT I NEVER PAY FOR BEER! [01:45] is that because you don't like it and thus never drink any? [01:45] aparently xcode from apple is free as in beer? [01:45] !! [01:45] dammit people get your references straight! [01:46] um [01:46] not sure if you're kidding, but if you're not, that's the wrong way around [01:46] no it's not [01:46] beer is libre [01:46] free as in beer means free of cost [01:46] exactly [01:46] not [01:46] free as in free speech means libre [01:47] free as in beer - when was the last time you went to a pub and got free-of-cost beer? [01:47] free as in beer refers to the fact that anybody can recreate it becasue it's libre - the recipe is open [01:47] no, it doesn't [01:48] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html [01:48] “Free software” means software that respects users' freedom and community. Roughly, it means that the users have the freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software. Thus, “free software” is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of “free” as in “free speech,” not as in “free beer”. [01:49] diddledan__: wow you were being serious? [01:49] i thought he wasn't :) [01:49] people use the phrase "free as in beer" not the phrase "free beer" [01:50] that gnu item uses the latter [01:50] which is different to "free as in beer" [01:50] ah, you're being 2am pedantic, ok ;) [01:51] i was originally just going to say, hey neuro meet diddledan! ;) [01:51] it's more of a shorthand these days, at least for us enlightened lot [01:51] "free as in speech" is syntactically wrong as well, but people still use it [01:52] "free as in beer" is an ethic, "free beer" is an example [01:52] best just to suck it up, imagine slapping rms silly with those stupid disk platters of his, and move on with life, safe in the knowledge that you're not rms [01:52] I prefer to use free as in beer when referring to libre [01:53] you may notice i'm not that keen on rms [01:53] because it most accurately portrays the meaning [01:53] neuro: i detected a hint, couldn't be sure though... [01:53] but free as in beer DOESN'T mean libre [01:53] you _may_ have to pay for beer but you can always recreate it yourself based on the same recipe [01:54] NO, STOP, UR DOING IT WRONG [01:54] that's the definition of libre, no? [01:54] you're manhandling the definition of libre onto the common, although misquoted, definition of gratis [01:54] stop it [01:54] step away from the definitions, yo [01:55] daftykins: can't stand the man, unfortunately [01:55] and i've met him, so it's not like some sort of unfounded misdirected rage [01:56] he's got a good beard tho [01:56] he really doesn't [01:57] it's unkempt [01:57] and i don't like alan cox's beard either, before you say anything [01:57] but at least alan cox is a nice guy [02:02] neuro: i hear rms has a violent odour [02:03] when i was near him, i was also near coffee being brewed [02:03] so there may have been some masking elements [02:03] but he was whiny, grumpy and awful to talk to [02:03] a poor ambassador [02:03] he "blessed" my Vaio running win2k as well [02:04] i sold it the next year [02:05] man, google have switched off subtle mode today [02:06] rainbow logo linking to a search for "Olympic Charter" [02:06] apparently russia is allowed to crack down on gays during the lympits but lympians aren't allowed to protest about it [02:07] for fear of being banned for life from all lympit [02:07] they're doing a good job of it before they go though [02:07] cf german outfits, canadian luge video, channel 4 gay mountain ad ... [02:09] good job of what? huh? [02:09] protesting [02:14] did they? are they still going? [02:15] probably [02:15] team gb are for sure [02:16] suckers for medals [02:24] bed time [02:36] \o === LjL is now known as Al-Jayal === Al-Jayal is now known as LjL-September [05:34] hello [05:34] sir i need free cds of ubuntu [05:35] help me out [06:55] morning all [07:32] how is everyone this morning? [07:43] MooDoo: time for weekend :) [07:43] Morning all [07:44] MartijnVdS: at 3:30 :) [07:45] morning TheOpenSourcerer how goes it? [07:46] Good thanks [07:46] You MooDoo [07:46] Looking forward to tomorrow's 6 Nations match - should see England thrash Scotland. [07:47] TheOpenSourcerer: It would be nice to see them thrash scotland, I hope it's not as close as the last one lol [07:48] The French were bloody lucky. It was good game - Thought England played pretty well actually. [07:52] we'll see eh :) [07:55] come on scotland? :P :P [07:55] oh, and "Morning all" [07:56] jussi: shush you ;) and morning [07:57] hehe [07:59] hows things MooDoo? [08:01] jussi: yeah ok thanks, just rebuilt my vps as as i'm here it's workied :D === stuphi_away is now known as stuphi [08:12] Wow - there's some hard-core code on here: http://www.darpa.mil/OpenCatalog/index.html Shame I don't understand *any* of it ;-) [08:12] the names are interesting too [08:12] code? where were going we don't need any code.... [08:13] MooDoo++ # Heavy, doc! [08:13] TheOpenSourcerer: what you talking about, I thought everyone knew about Linear Algebra heheh [08:14] I only know about chillies. [08:15] TheOpenSourcerer: yum [08:15] TheOpenSourcerer: stuff the global jam, how about a Ubuntu Chilli jam at your place ;) [08:15] My 2014 season so far: https://plus.google.com/photos/104060033182234025482/albums/5975387695779422977 [08:16] oooo nice [08:33] I'd like to grow chillis this year, guessing it's to late already ? Or can you grow all year round TheOpenSourcerer ? [08:35] diplo: If you grow C.Anuumm you are not too late at all. I;ve not started those yet. All the ones so far are C.Chinense or C.Baccatum [08:35] If you have light and heat you can grow all year. [08:35] And space of course. [08:36] I made a fatel error last year by keeping them outside at the start, ooops nono [08:36] pip pip [08:36] howdy popey [08:37] i should sleep [08:37] yes you should :D [08:38] unless your still playing your card game :d [08:48] Cheers TheOpenSourcerer, sorry phone went. I will have a read up tonight thanks [08:49] NP [08:58] Cool stuff. Another awesome thing for graphene: http://spectrum.ieee.org/nanoclast/semiconductors/materials/graphene-nanoribbons-get-electrons-to-behave-like-photons - "Ballistic transport" :-D [09:02] ooh, that might lead to room-temperature superconductors, perhaps [09:04] morning boys and girls. [09:05] Good morning peeps :) [09:06] morning bigcalm [09:07] bigcalm: Did you get your laptop fully working yet, or is nvidia still being a pig [09:07] morning morning [09:07] morning MooDoo [09:08] DJones: I have bug 1276816 but the machine it working well otherwise :) [09:08] bug 1276816 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-331 (Ubuntu) "Unable to select Intel in PRIME Profiles within nvidia-settings" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1276816 [09:08] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Wave All Your Fingers At Your Neighbours Day! :-D [09:09] bigcalm: Ta, I think I've found an excuse to get work to buy me a laptop, so that Dell might well be a decent option [09:09] DJones: well worth buying the laptop I'd say. I expect bugs to be fixed before 14.04 is released [09:09] Yay [09:09] Which model was it, I need to bookmark it & then see about pricing [09:11] http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-15-7537/pd - but they appear to have changed the available options [09:12] Thanks, that was roughly what I was looking at [09:12] morning everyone [09:13] morning knightwise [09:13] bigcalm: Was also looking at this one http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aspire-V3-571G-15-6-inch-Bluetooth-Graphics/dp/B00B0TLP8G/ref=sr_1_14?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1387374370&sr=1-14&keywords=ACER+ASPIRE+V3-571G [09:14] bluetooth graphics! [09:15] what's the easiet way for linxu admin to get code onto all his controlled machine? [09:15] other then write a virus, :) [09:15] cocoa117: ansible, chef, puppet are the 3 big tools for that :) [09:15] cocoa117: juju, maybe too [09:16] MartijnVdS, so we need to prepare each machine with those packages, before this can be automated? [09:16] DJones: that one has an optical media drive. Might be worth it if you need one [09:16] cocoa117: yes, but you can automate a lot of it using a preseeded install [09:17] cocoa117: though ansible just uses ssh, I think, an chef has a tool you run in one place to install it on another server [09:17] MartijnVdS, ok, time for me to learn few more tools today, :) thanks for the suggestions [09:17] cocoa117: I don't know enough about puppet to tell you how that works [09:17] cocoa117: but you tend to choose 1 of those 3, don't mix them ;) [09:17] MartijnVdS, got it [09:17] bigcalm: Just comparing the cpu benchmark, there's quite a difference in that score 6877 for the asus, compared to 3939 for the dell, although the dell appears to have a newer graphics card [09:18] DJones: I guess I didn't look around as much as I could have. I've had acers in the past and haven't been that impressed with the build quality over dell [09:19] bigcalm: Yeah, I've not had an Asus myself, (wife's got one and not had any issues), Dells have always been good quality though [09:20] The other one I'm thinking about is http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Z510-15-6-inch-Laptop-i7-4700MQ/dp/B00HR6TYZC/ref=sr_1_28?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1391762020&sr=1-28 [09:20] But only 1gb graohics [09:21] DJones: it doesn't say what the screen res is [09:21] Oh, found it [09:21] I guess swings & roundabouts in the end, faster processor compared to better graphics [09:22] All 3 are same screen size, and looking the nvidia can go to 2Gb [09:22] The dell can do 16gb ram out of the box, may be able to take it higher - who knows [09:23] Looks like you have some nice things to decide between [09:24] You'll have the same teething nvidia troubles with all of those laptops [09:25] Yeah I'd expect so anyway [09:25] so, don't buy nvidia! [09:26] I guess on specs, the Lenovo looks slightly better is I can find one with a 2Gb nvidia [09:28] do you need the fast graphics, are you planning on playing games or using wibbly windows ;) [09:28] windows that shimmy, [09:28] MooDoo: HL2 and friends run fine on haswell onboard graphics [09:28] MooDoo: Well, MInecraft [09:29] DJones: nuff said :D minecraft ftw, I run my own Feed the BEast Server :D [09:30] MooDoo: Are there other games? [09:30] DJones: well no not really, although I'm just waiting for steam to convery bioshock infinite to be able to run on linux, then I'll be happy :D [09:57] Morning all [09:57] Morning davmor2 [10:03] morning davmor2 [10:05] bigcalm: MooDoo: how am ya both? [10:09] davmor2: tired, need a holiday [10:09] davmor2: cracking now i've rebuilt my vps to LTS [10:12] MooDoo: ha nice [10:13] bigcalm: :( I'll get my little violin out and play a tune just for you ;) You still work on holiday so it can't be that bad :P [10:13] davmor2: yeah i'm tralking to you from it now irrsi + screen FTW! [10:14] davmor2: off to Liverpool tonight for the weekend (if Hayley is well enough). We'll see if I relax up there [10:15] MooDoo: byobu-tmux + irssi + irssi-proxy + any local irc client == WIN! [10:15] davmor2: ok smarty pants. [10:17] bigcalm: no you'll have a phone so at some point you will check your email which will make you think hmm if I do this this and this and then before you know it you're working ;) [10:17] MooDoo: irssi proxy pretty much rocks :) [10:18] that's pretty much my setup - sans byobu, I never saw the appeal [10:19] byobu is pretty great to keep sessions runnign and stuff [10:19] terminal server style , handy if you log in from different locations [10:20] yeah but annoying if you log into one machine from 2 terminals on the same machine [10:20] I haven't figured out how to switch to another "window" without the other viewer switching as well [10:21] well, screen/tmux I can use for that .. byobu just seems to add .. fluff? [10:21] davmor2: in that respect, I never stop working [10:21] shauno: nice key bindings, some useful "task bar" things like time and system load [10:22] well that'd be a start; I've never found a use for the task bar :) [10:23] shauno: it also contains the window list.. it tells you when a background window has activity (and maybe wants your attention) [10:25] MartijnVdS: just split the screen byobu acts like terminator :) [10:26] davmor2: I don't use terminator [10:28] my fun 'trick' is that I've rebound all the keys in my terminal app, so eg cmd-T does "send hex 0x01 0x63" [10:28] this way screen uses all the native keybindings when I'm on my own machine, but acts just like screen should when I connect from somewhere else [10:29] weird! :) [10:57] someone having issues? ;) [11:04] Humm === 20WAA4UBR is now known as hazrpg [11:06] hey, it's hazrpg! [11:07] MartijnVdS: herro! [11:11] I just converted to tmux [11:11] \o/ another convert ;) [11:11] and it seems to not play nicely with .tmux.conf lol [11:11] or at least using it through byobu anyway [11:14] I wanted to set a few things as "default" windows... but that seems to spawn MANY tmux instances for some bizzare reason [11:14] anyways, how is everyone? [11:15] a bit busy, but fine. You? :) [11:15] Yeah not too bad. :) [11:21] finally got a career going \o/ [11:23] yay tmux [11:34] bloomin customers [11:34] i keep saying, life would be so much easier without customers and users [11:34] I thoroughly agree, MooDoo [11:35] less interesting, perhaps [11:35] and salaryless too [11:35] but easier [11:35] I'm right your wrong, well that's not acceptable i want a different answer....raaaaa [11:38] very customer. wow. so wrong. [11:38] just annoying and me being me I get frustrated about it [11:53] dwatkins: \o/ tmux [11:54] I use tmux and screen, one inside the other. [12:16] dwatkins: you know they get that effect from mirrors normally [12:19] hazrpg: what kind of career? :) [12:34] YACoT FTW :D [12:35] MooDoo: but that's what letmegooglethatfor you is for surely ;) [12:35] davmor2: alas no. [12:36] MooDoo: well at least play sadtrombone.com to them :D [12:36] davmor2: I can't do that, i'm a professional i send them to tumbleweed.popey.com [12:36] MooDoo: hahaha [12:55] davmor2: impressive === stuphi is now known as stuphi_away [13:14] We are hiring! http://siftware.com/needs-you/ === LjL-September is now known as LjL [13:15] I hope no PHP is involved in a weapons system. [13:16] Heh [13:16] Quite [13:25] MartijnVdS: Analyst/Developer at a uni [13:26] which ? [13:26] which country :P [13:27] in the UK ^_^ [13:28] which uni :P [13:28] n/s/e/w [13:29] foobarry: does it matter :P? [13:29] yes, please PM me :P [13:30] i am interested [13:30] especially to hear of .ac.uk workers on irc [13:33] wait, a work from home job [13:33] and they'll send you an aeron and a coffee machine? [13:34] and fruit? === YaManicKill_ is now known as YaManicKill [14:11] Morning [14:11] neuro: i noticed that too... o.O [14:12] morning popey [14:14] i'd rather not have the money spent on that stuff and spent towards my salary ;) [14:15] neuro: agreed :P [14:15] you guys get paid to work? luxury ;) [14:16] in mah day... [14:16] MooDoo: I hear its all the range ^_^ [14:19] hazrpg: I think I'm getting fleeced, at work on facebook and irc and not getting paid...;) [14:19] MooDoo: :P [14:28] :) [15:51] hey [15:51] heylo [15:51] halo :D? [15:52] Can someone help me how to configure the network without DHCP? [15:53] Have no connection on my dedicated server :S [15:53] hm [15:53] /etc/network/interfaces is the file i think [15:53] Yes but how do I know what is the defult ip gateway etc? [15:53] ah do u not know any of the details? [15:53] you need to know those [15:54] not really :S [15:55] Where can I know it? [15:55] can u access the svr at all now [15:55] svr? [15:56] server [15:56] Something like this, maybe http://freedombone.uk.to/#sec-4.2 === stuphi_away is now known as stuphi [15:57] i can access to the server [15:57] trough KVM [15:57] DRAC KVM [15:58] either you have DHCP, or your server provider tells you the details [15:58] there is no middle ground [15:58] So I have to ask from the server provider? [16:02] the server provider should already have told you. or configured dhcp. [16:02] Only the server provider can activate DHCP [16:02] ? [16:05] People? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|vt [16:23] foobarry: looks like we may have a 12.04.5 with a trusty (14.04) HWE kernel, which will be nice for those on 12.04 [16:23] foobarry: currently under discussion [16:26] popey: what about existing installs? [16:27] will they get a kernel bump or would it have to be manually changed? [16:27] and would new installs get the new kernel by default? [16:27] (yeah, i know it's just under discussion at the mo, but just asking!) === stuphi is now known as stuphi_away [16:31] cheers popey [16:32] 12.04 still feels new to me [16:32] no hmm i foolishly removed a package i shouldnt have which removed other stuff (libdb5.1) now i have no internet [16:32] wlan0 showing under iwconfig - what can i do to fix this;/ [16:32] restore from your btfrs snapshot [16:32] tee hee [16:32] lol neuro [16:33] i was having trouble with squdguard saw somewhere mention use libdb5.3 so removed 5.1 and yea things went wrong [16:33] foobarry, how?:/ === stuphi_away is now known as stuphi [16:34] scud-guard, eh? terrorist missile protection system? [16:34] squidgiard [16:34] :P [16:34] guard [16:35] enough of the mocking..someone help! [16:35] can you dpkg -i ? [16:36] i could either i figured a) download on here and put on a usb key or b) use the cd? [16:36] i.e. via download on a separate system [16:36]