| Unit193 | jjfrv8: I've added you as reviewer simply because you are docs lead. | 02:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Noskcaj | ochosi, I'll take a look later tonight | 04:33 |
| Noskcaj | ochosi, Are there any other patches i should cherry pick? | 04:48 |
| slickymaster-job | morning all | 09:58 |
| elfy | morning slickymaster-job | 09:58 |
| slickymaster-job | hi elfy, good morning | 09:59 |
| elfy | knome: you seen the numbers on the package tracker lately - certainly appears that calling for sections every fortnight or so works | 10:45 |
| knome | elfy, no, i have to confess i haven't been looking too much (implies you're doing your job well) | 10:46 |
| elfy | lol | 10:46 |
| knome | but great to hear it's working :) | 10:46 |
| knome | i seriously need to start running tests for the betas | 10:46 |
| elfy | well ... when beta tests come up - and I report for the blog - I will have 2 lists. 1 for people and another for people in -team :p | 10:47 |
| knome | good | 10:51 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: And present extension in trusty too. | 12:05 |
| pmjdebruijn | ochosi: hey | 12:06 |
| pmjdebruijn | ochosi: https://github.com/pmjdebruijn/xcalibrator | 12:06 |
| pmjdebruijn | ochosi: but that uses a colorimeter though | 12:06 |
| pmjdebruijn | it's not the gamma thing | 12:07 |
| ochosi | Unit193: yeah, i know, i noticed a few days ago (and thought i even posted that here) | 12:07 |
| ochosi | pmjdebruijn: oh, cool! | 12:07 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Couldn't remember if you did about Debian or trusty, and backlog isn't there. | 12:07 |
| ochosi | Unit193: afair from what ali1234 said, you also need a rather bleeding edge intel driver for the present extension... | 12:08 |
| ochosi | pmjdebruijn: so this is for calibrating, or does it also load the color-profile in the session daemon-like? | 12:09 |
| pmjdebruijn | it requires xiccd for that | 12:10 |
| pmjdebruijn | xiccd/colord | 12:10 |
| pmjdebruijn | in xfce's case | 12:10 |
| pmjdebruijn | which I have packaged on a ppa :) | 12:10 |
| Unit193 | And I presume * Merge from Debian git. isn't enough. :/ | 12:10 |
| pmjdebruijn | ochosi: it's really silly, I put xfce4-terminal into fullscreen mode, to make it look less like a script :) | 12:11 |
| ochosi | pmjdebruijn: haha, nice :) well you could've also used zenity or something ;) | 12:11 |
| ochosi | although i'm not sure in what shape that is today | 12:11 |
| ochosi | been ages that i used it | 12:11 |
| pmjdebruijn | right | 12:11 |
| pmjdebruijn | well I wanted a black background anyhow | 12:12 |
| ochosi | :> | 12:12 |
| pmjdebruijn | that's the only downside though if the user has a weird color scheme set | 12:12 |
| pmjdebruijn | which a nonblack background | 12:12 |
| pmjdebruijn | but it's not a huge problem | 12:12 |
| ochosi | Unit193: yeah, i presume... | 12:12 |
| ochosi | pmjdebruijn: ah, for the calibrating you mean, the black background is better? | 12:12 |
| pmjdebruijn | ochosi: shouldn't be a significant difference | 12:12 |
| pmjdebruijn | it's not meant like a real project anyhow | 12:12 |
| pmjdebruijn | just as an example how people can do their own scripts :) | 12:13 |
| ochosi | yeah, well i think that's great | 12:15 |
| ochosi | i'll have to get a hold of a colorimeter though to test it :> | 12:16 |
| pmjdebruijn | don't feel obliged to test it :) | 12:18 |
| pmjdebruijn | was just an FYI | 12:18 |
| pmjdebruijn | if you ever want to get into color management for yourself, feel free to bump me though | 12:18 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Hah, he didn't bump the year, but reset the date: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/tree/NEWS :D | 12:18 |
| knome | pmjdebruijn, that whole thing is interestering for me as well, so please keep poking us :) | 12:19 |
| knome | err, interesting :D | 12:20 |
| pmjdebruijn | nanotube: haha :) | 12:24 |
| pmjdebruijn | oops | 12:24 |
| pmjdebruijn | knome: haha :) | 12:24 |
| pmjdebruijn | it's a bit complicated though | 12:24 |
| pmjdebruijn | it's not fire and forget tech | 12:24 |
| pmjdebruijn | and you need a pricy piece of hardware :) | 12:24 |
| pmjdebruijn | I've mostly worked with Richard on GNOME Color Manager | 12:25 |
| pmjdebruijn | but since xiccd I did a little work on that as well | 12:25 |
| pmjdebruijn | since xiccd covers everything that isn't GNOME or KDE | 12:25 |
| pmjdebruijn | btw TearFree seems completely stable now in intel.. 909 | 12:26 |
| knome | pmjdebruijn, that's true, but iirc there was some cheaper one | 12:26 |
| pmjdebruijn | yes and no | 12:27 |
| pmjdebruijn | cheaper means you lose accuracy | 12:27 |
| knome | http://www.hughski.com/ open source | 12:27 |
| pmjdebruijn | colormunki display is probably the best affordable instrument | 12:27 |
| pmjdebruijn | knome: I've worked with Richard on that :) | 12:27 |
| pmjdebruijn | I've been the sounding board to ColorHug development :D | 12:27 |
| knome | ooh, nice | 12:27 |
| pmjdebruijn | :D | 12:27 |
| pmjdebruijn | but the sensor is a bit limited | 12:27 |
| knome | the device is very interesting | 12:27 |
| pmjdebruijn | it's supercool, but the accuracy isn't too great atm | 12:28 |
| pmjdebruijn | depending on which display type you have | 12:28 |
| pmjdebruijn | Richard is slow working on a ColorHug 2, which has a good chance of being much better | 12:28 |
| knome | aha! | 12:28 |
| pmjdebruijn | the guy behind GNOME Color Manager, colord, ColorHug is the same | 12:28 |
| knome | will continue to keep an eye on it then | 12:29 |
| pmjdebruijn | https://encrypted.pcode.nl/blog/2012/01/29/color-management-on-linux/ | 12:30 |
| pmjdebruijn | https://encrypted.pcode.nl/blog/2013/11/24/display-color-profiling-on-linux/ | 12:30 |
| pmjdebruijn | those are some general articles on the topic though | 12:30 |
| knome | yeah, i have them on my todo list | 12:31 |
| pmjdebruijn | :D | 12:31 |
| pmjdebruijn | btw, just not to take too much great, Richard did pretty much all the work on the ColorHug though | 12:32 |
| pmjdebruijn | I was _just_ the sounding board | 12:32 |
| knome | ;) | 12:32 |
| pmjdebruijn | not to give the impression that it was more than that | 12:32 |
| pmjdebruijn | I knew Richard via GNOME Color Manager, for which I did a lot of testing | 12:32 |
| slickymaster-job | knome: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/02/06/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t12:31 what do you think? | 12:52 |
| slickymaster-job | bbl -> | 12:58 |
| slickymaster-job | hey GridCube | 15:20 |
| GridCube | Hola slickymaster-job :) | 15:20 |
| GridCube | :D you is an ubuntu member now | 15:20 |
| slickymaster-job | o/ | 15:20 |
| GridCube | congrats | 15:21 |
| slickymaster-job | yes, that's also possible to your kind words on my wiki | 15:21 |
| slickymaster-job | thanks | 15:21 |
| schproodle | slickymaster-job, "Official Ubuntu Membership means recognition of significant and sustained contribution to Ubuntu and the Ubuntu community." Congrats -- you earned it -- and thanks. | 15:35 |
| slickymaster-job | schproodle: thanks for your kind words | 15:46 |
| elfy | pulled the xfce core tests forward a week - give people a bit of a break before we're headlong into the Betas | 16:35 |
| Drummit77 | uhh..is this thing on? | 16:50 |
| elfy | which thing? | 16:51 |
| Unit193 | Yes, the elfy is enabled. | 16:51 |
| elfy | in reboot mode though | 16:51 |
| slickymaster-job | enabled if near by the kettle | 16:52 |
| drc | but he seg faults a lot | 16:52 |
| elfy | :( | 16:52 |
| Drummit77 | awesome. new to IRC and development. Was interested in testing new LTS release. | 16:53 |
| elfy | then you've come to just the right place | 16:54 |
| Drummit77 | thats a pretty quick reboot.. | 16:54 |
| elfy | it's not finished yet :p | 16:54 |
| elfy | so what can we help you with about it | 16:55 |
| elfy | basically it is pretty stable - but if you need to not upgrade a current install - testing and checking it out in a vm works too | 16:56 |
| Drummit77 | :) Roger that. Ok...so...Where do I start? What do I do? I looked at the links, but honestly...confusing. And confused=mistakes=useless testing | 16:56 |
| drc | start here http://xubuntu.org/news/help-us-test-xubuntu-14-04-lts/ | 16:57 |
| elfy | I'd say that the most important thing to worry about here is whether to install it virtually if possible or not | 16:58 |
| Drummit77 | thanks drc....i will check into that. Elfy...I have a laptop that I was going to run full install on for it. | 17:00 |
| Drummit77 | sorry...still learning ins and outs of irc | 17:02 |
| elfy | that's ok - so is slickymaster-job | 17:02 |
| slickymaster-job | whatie ?! | 17:02 |
| Drummit77 | I had one of those in Thailand... :) | 17:03 |
| slickymaster-job | ah ah ah lol | 17:03 |
| elfy | :) | 17:03 |
| drc | really? | 17:03 |
| slickymaster-job | well, mostly the deep waters of irssi and screen | 17:03 |
| Drummit77 | maybe that was a masterslicky job.... idunno | 17:03 |
| elfy | drc: probably not the best channel ... | 17:03 |
| elfy | Drummit77: ^^ | 17:03 |
| elfy | sorry drc :) | 17:03 |
| Drummit77 | sorry...I couldn't help it. | 17:03 |
| elfy | Drummit77: anyway - if you're going to run a full install on then - go for it - the daily is at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds | 17:04 |
| elfy | download, burn to something and install it | 17:04 |
| elfy | when you're installing you can also run through an install test ( for 64 bit http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/62677/testcases) | 17:05 |
| elfy | also we test packages too at - http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases | 17:05 |
| Drummit77 | ok...how do I send reports? | 17:05 |
| elfy | do you have a launchpad account? | 17:06 |
| Drummit77 | not yet.. | 17:06 |
| Drummit77 | sure thats easily remedied | 17:06 |
| elfy | you need one of those - then you can login to the trackers and report - simple as that | 17:06 |
| slickymaster-job | knome: did you get a chance to take a look at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/02/06/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t12:31 | 17:06 |
| Drummit77 | gottit. Thanks! Sorry again if I offended anyone.. | 17:07 |
| elfy | that's ok | 17:07 |
| slickymaster-job | another thing knome, how do you feel about changing the <section id="customizing-appearance"> tittle to <section id="customizing-desktop">? | 17:07 |
| slickymaster-job | sorry knome, that's nor the correct section, what I mean is changing the <section id="customizing-wallpaper"> tittle to <section id="customizing-desktop">? | 17:13 |
| pleia2 | doh, knome beat me to the emailz | 19:34 |
| knome | pleia2, heh :) | 19:59 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Nag 'em? | 20:01 |
| knome | where's slicky again | 20:02 |
| Unit193 | Reading the logs. | 20:03 |
| * Unit193 waves | 20:03 | |
| pleia2 | hehe | 20:03 |
| Noskcaj | ochosi, https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/thunar/lp-1277149 is done | 20:04 |
| Unit193 | * Add git-xfdesktop-4.11.patch xfdesktop? Can you also slip ali1234's patch with the new bookmarks dir? Or I can keep using out of stream still. :P | 20:09 |
| Unit193 | Speak of the devil. | 20:09 |
| ali1234 | Unit193: if that patch works well for you please comment on the bug tracker :) | 20:10 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193, link to diff plz | 20:10 |
| Unit193 | Don't you already know it does? All I had to do was rm ~/.gtk-bookmarks on the one computer. Want anything more than "Works wonderfully for me."? :P | 20:11 |
| ali1234 | no, that's fine. it's not for my benefit but for reviewers :) | 20:11 |
| brainwash | is .gtk-bookmarks deprecated? | 20:12 |
| ali1234 | yes | 20:12 |
| ali1234 | it was simply moved | 20:12 |
| ali1234 | it lives in .config now | 20:12 |
| brainwash | ah, to .config | 20:12 |
| brainwash | yeah :D | 20:13 |
| Unit193 | xfce 10627 10626 | 20:13 |
| ubottu | xfce bug 10627 in general "Use the new Gtk3 bookmarks location" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10627 | 20:13 |
| Unit193 | Crap, what's my password? Only ever logged in once. | 20:14 |
| Unit193 | Oh, by "username" it means email. :P | 20:15 |
| ali1234 | thanks | 20:17 |
| Unit193 | 'Welcome, thank you for the patch. | 20:17 |
| schproodle | /msg NickServ identify hunter46 | 20:23 |
| Unit193 | I'm going to presume that's not real, because hunter46 and because you were already identified. :D | 20:24 |
| Noskcaj | schproodle, woops | 20:24 |
| schproodle | Noskcaj, can you see that? | 20:25 |
| Noskcaj | yeah, you had a space at the front of the commands | 20:25 |
| schproodle | I see that. | 20:25 |
| schproodle | I meant to do that in freenode | 20:26 |
| schproodle | guess I should change that eh? | 20:26 |
| Noskcaj | Usually helps | 20:28 |
| schproodle | Noskcaj, thanks. Password is change. | 20:31 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193, patch added to branch | 20:32 |
| Unit193 | Nice. | 20:32 |
| * Unit193 won't even ask for xfce4-places-plugin. :P | 20:32 | |
| schproodle | Unit193, does one have to identify every time one connects? | 20:33 |
| Unit193 | schproodle: Manually, no. You were already when you pasted that, so your client is already setup to do that. | 20:34 |
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| schproodle | Unit193, OK, that was my intention. But nickserv says "nickname is registered. Please choose... | 20:35 |
| === Guest89321 is now known as Noskcaj | ||
| Unit193 | elfy: #xubuntu! | 20:59 |
| Unit193 | (He's here too.) | 20:59 |
| damiank | guys i saw in the mailing list that maybe you need help testing isos? i have free time on weekend if you want i can test both 32bit / 64 bit on AMDs i have here | 21:00 |
| elfy | damiank: we're always testing trusty daily iso's - the last iso call itself was for 12.04.4 - that's all done now | 21:02 |
| elfy | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds | 21:02 |
| damiank | ok elfy i download tonight so tomorrow i test. | 21:02 |
| damiank | i'll send you the results later | 21:02 |
| elfy | thanks :) | 21:02 |
| damiank | np | 21:02 |
| elfy | report to the tracker please :) | 21:03 |
| damiank | yes | 21:03 |
| elfy | thanks damiank - always wanting people to test for us :) | 21:03 |
| damiank | i really love xubuntu, so i want to help in any way i can | 21:03 |
| damiank | my main working pc is xubuntu 12.04 based and is very stable and works great | 21:04 |
| elfy | excellent - well you get the dev mails - so you'll always get the mails from me | 21:06 |
| Unit193 | damiank: Don't forget to sync up before you test! | 21:07 |
| Unit193 | !zsync | 21:07 |
| ubottu | Use zsync to update your Ubuntu CD image without needing to download the parts that didn't change. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage | 21:07 |
| Unit193 | Not seen much progress on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1060543 :/ | 21:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1060543 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "Additional Drivers is not discoverable in Quantal" [Critical,In progress] | 21:08 |
| damiank | yes im subscribed to dev | 21:10 |
| damiank | i'll do that | 21:10 |
| damiank | and test tomorrow | 21:10 |
| damiank | i have one partition with 12.04 which i almost never use excepts for tests, i will use that to test update | 21:10 |
| elfy | if you've got a 12.04 update it and then run an upgrade test on it :) | 21:11 |
| elfy | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/57247/testcases or http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/57248/testcases | 21:12 |
| damiank | ok perfect | 21:19 |
| damiank | one question, 14.04 will work with the old athlon xp? | 21:19 |
| elfy | I'd not know offhand - ram? | 21:20 |
| damiank | 2gb | 21:20 |
| elfy | I'd install it ;) | 21:20 |
| schproodle | damiank, If you are interested in testing, it would be more than worthwhile to use virtualbox. | 21:22 |
| elfy | schproodle: damiank has hardware to test with - always better than virtual if possible | 21:22 |
| damiank | i have a virtualbox setup here, probably i will test an install before upgrading | 21:24 |
| schproodle | elfy, I could try that with another machine. Vbox makes me lazy eh. | 21:24 |
| damiank | elfy: anyway my hardware isnt a great thing | 21:25 |
| damiank | i have 2 pcs, both old | 21:25 |
| damiank | one much older, the athlon xp | 21:25 |
| elfy | damiank: even so - hardware is going to better than virtual, and if it's getting on a bit - that can help us see if we need to change our minimum specs :) | 21:26 |
| damiank | ok | 21:27 |
| schproodle | elfy, are there ways to setup vbox so that there is less of a disadvantage compared to hardware? | 21:27 |
| Noskcaj | schproodle, not really | 21:27 |
| knome | schproodle, not really. | 21:27 |
| knome | Noskcaj, hah | 21:27 |
| Noskcaj | lol | 21:27 |
| elfy | schproodle: not really ... :p | 21:27 |
| Noskcaj | damiank, Plus lubuntu and mini.iso always need testing if it turns out you can't run xubuntu | 21:28 |
| elfy | however - what we want here is people testing for us ... | 21:28 |
| damiank | Noskcaj, thanks for the offer, but i like xfce | 21:29 |
| Noskcaj | elfy, yes, but testing different flavour is better than no testing at all | 21:29 |
| Noskcaj | That is my only point | 21:29 |
| schproodle | What things does vbox usually goof-up? | 21:29 |
| damiank | i have been using xfce for many years actually | 21:29 |
| elfy | and my point is that it's hard enough to get people testing for us as it is | 21:29 |
| knome | schproodle, it doesn't. hardware just allows us to see if real hardware works | 21:29 |
| knome | schproodle, virtualbox is always an environment we can expect, so no surprises re: hardware there | 21:30 |
| Unit193 | Generally if I have a question about support for the hardware, I use grml-rescueboot from the repos and just boot the new ISO, checking to see if most/all things work, then reboot into the system and do the upgrade. | 21:30 |
| knome | schproodle, hardware tests allow us to see if more moving parts (different hardware) potentially breaks something that looks unrelated | 21:30 |
| Noskcaj | i.e. broken graphics or un-supported wifi cards | 21:31 |
| damiank | well, the graphics on the older pc is always a pain, its a geforce2 | 21:31 |
| damiank | on the neweer one i have a new radeon | 21:32 |
| Unit193 | Heh, mine is even more fun. :P | 21:32 |
| damiank | ? | 21:32 |
| Unit193 | Ooooold graphics, got a warning couple releases back about support being limited at best. :P | 21:33 |
| schproodle | I didn't understand how much vbox is distinct from my physical host. | 21:33 |
| schproodle | Been using vbox for three days. :) | 21:34 |
| elfy | that's ok schproodle - majority of testing I do is with vbox | 21:34 |
| damiank | guys i have to go, we'll talk tomorrow bye | 21:36 |
| schproodle | There must be a way to boot a computer from an iso on a hdd eh. | 21:36 |
| elfy | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot | 21:37 |
| elfy | not done it for some time | 21:37 |
| schproodle | I just discovered zsync. Lotsa fun. I have done 39 reports on Daily i386 and amd64. | 21:38 |
| Unit193 | !info grml-rescueboot | 21:38 |
| ubottu | grml-rescueboot (source: grml-rescueboot): Integrates Grml ISO booting into GRUB. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.4.3 (saucy), package size 6 kB, installed size 62 kB | 21:38 |
| schproodle | Just passed the stickymaster eh. ;) | 21:39 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre, when do you think you'll merge lightdm greeter from debian? | 23:20 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: we're going to release 1.8 this weekend, we'll pull it from debian at that point | 23:21 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 23:21 |
| bluesabre | thanks for keeping on top of things | 23:21 |
| brainwash | 1.8 already? with or without indicators? | 23:24 |
| Noskcaj | Is there anything else assigned to me for the cycle? | 23:24 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: with indicators | 23:24 |
| brainwash | great | 23:24 |
| Noskcaj | I'll package the indicator-gtk3 stuff next weekend if there aren | 23:24 |
| Noskcaj | 't any releases | 23:24 |
| brainwash | right, we really need the panel gtk indicators too | 23:25 |
| brainwash | gtk3 | 23:25 |
| bluesabre | cool, I might have a new menulibre and mugshot release in a week or two, but those are immediate items | 23:25 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 23:25 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: the greeter indicator branch did change the .conf a bit, now you have to enable all the indicators/menu explicitly | 23:26 |
| brainwash | so we need to ship an updated lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf for xubuntu | 23:27 |
| bluesabre | yeah, more stuff to add to the branches :) | 23:27 |
| brainwash | still some minor issue remain unsolved (clock not perfectly centered and occasionally 1px free space between the right screen and the last indicator/menuitem) | 23:29 |
| brainwash | does 1.8 also mean feature freeze? | 23:31 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: it might be a good idea to create some bug reports if there are not some already | 23:36 |
| bluesabre | I'm basically going into bug-fixing/merging mode tomorrow morning :) | 23:37 |
| brainwash | thought that ochosi would fix these issues in time :D | 23:38 |
| bluesabre | :D | 23:38 |
| bluesabre | so did I | 23:38 |
| bluesabre | ochosi :< | 23:38 |
| brainwash | and he cannot verify the 1px issue I think :/ | 23:39 |
| bluesabre | do you have a screenshot of that issue, I'm not quite sure what you mean by it | 23:40 |
| brainwash | move the cursor to the top right corner and click | 23:40 |
| brainwash | it should activate the menuitem/indicator | 23:41 |
| brainwash | but it does not in all cases, depending on screen resolution and panel content | 23:41 |
| bluesabre | oh | 23:42 |
| bluesabre | thats odd | 23:42 |
| brainwash | the gtk button box uses the 'edge' layout and spreads the 3 items across the panel, but it leaves 1px space sometimes on the right side | 23:42 |
| brainwash | "miscalulation" | 23:42 |
| brainwash | and I suggested to add homogeneous=true to the panel to center the clock, but it could break the layout on small resolutions | 23:44 |
| brainwash | not quite sure how to enable it dynamically based on the actual needed space | 23:45 |
| bluesabre | so, the clock is not always centered when there is enough space available? | 23:45 |
| brainwash | no, usually you got the hostname on the left side and the 4 menuitems on the right | 23:46 |
| brainwash | and won't notice it | 23:46 |
| brainwash | but after adding many indicators you do | 23:46 |
| brainwash | so there is more stuff on the right side, pushing the clock a bit to the left | 23:47 |
| bluesabre | ah, I see | 23:47 |
| brainwash | minor stuff, very low priority | 23:48 |
| brainwash | that's why I did not file any report yet | 23:48 |
| bluesabre | I had opted out of using homogenous because if one side is extra long, it forces everything over (causes the panel window to resize) | 23:48 |
| brainwash | right | 23:48 |
| brainwash | you can actually mark child widgets as non_homogeneous.. but this did not work for me | 23:49 |
| brainwash | so the hostname and indicator area would be even | 23:50 |
| brainwash | I think that's how it should work | 23:50 |
| bluesabre | hm, I might experiment with that a bit tomorrow then as well | 23:51 |
| brainwash | ok thanks :) | 23:54 |
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