[00:00] <ahoneybun> says I dont have
[00:00] <ahoneybun> Permission denied (publickey).
[00:00] <ahoneybun> '
[00:00] <valorie> same here; stuff not set up yet
[00:03] <valorie> not sure I have my ssh key properly uploaded
[00:03] <valorie> or on this machine, actually
[00:05] <ahoneybun> uploaded where?
[00:05] <valorie> to the identity server
[00:05] <ahoneybun> kde identity
[00:05] <ahoneybun> ?
[00:05] <valorie> just as you have to do on launchpad
[00:05] <valorie> of course
[00:06] <ahoneybun> speaking of
[00:06] <ahoneybun> lp I need to upload my new one
[00:08]  * ahoneybun looks for place on his kde identity account
[00:10] <ahoneybun> I can't find the place on my account for ssh keys
[00:10]  * ahoneybun makes bugs.kde.org account
[00:15] <valorie> the stuff about ssh is here: http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Get_a_Contributor_Account
[00:16] <valorie> do you have a developer account, not just an identity account?
[00:16] <valorie> you have to apply, and be supported by a developer
[00:16] <ahoneybun> no because I;m not really a dev
[00:17]  * valorie has one, and I guess am now going to learn to use it
[00:17] <valorie> yes you are a developer; of the docs
[00:17] <ahoneybun> oh
[00:17] <ahoneybun> well then I need a backer
[00:17] <valorie> right, such as Riddell or apachelogger
[00:26] <ahoneybun> yea.
[00:52] <valorie> ok, pizza time
[03:19] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: Riddell would either of you give me your support for a dev account on KDE Identity?
[04:12] <ahoneybun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clementine/+bug/1277796
[04:41] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[04:41] <valorie> hey
[04:41] <ahoneybun> lordievader: you there?
[04:41] <valorie> I was reading up on git, but my brain is rebelling
[04:41] <valorie> so I'm giving up for the night
[04:41] <ahoneybun> yea
[04:41] <valorie> I think I'm getting it
[04:42] <ahoneybun> I'm just going to wait till a dev can maybe support me for the dev application
[04:42] <valorie> but once I've successfully cloned I'll be happy
[04:43] <ahoneybun> yea of courses
[04:43] <ahoneybun> *course
[04:44] <valorie> then to figure out how to make changes and push them
[04:45] <valorie> ahoneybun: what do you think about how many changes will need to be made before release?
[04:45] <valorie> are we up to date with 14.4?
[04:45] <valorie> I'm thinking of the slides in particular
[04:46] <ahoneybun> well I saw that the installation page has been updated with 14.4 slides
[04:46] <ahoneybun> or at least in the pdf
[04:46] <valorie> ok, is the text in line with the slides?
[04:46] <ahoneybun> text?
[04:46] <valorie> because if we are ready, I'll write to the translators
[04:46] <valorie> it would be nice to have some more 100% translated files
[04:47] <ahoneybun> I just notice the text on the slides
[04:47] <ahoneybun> wait
[04:48] <valorie> well, our verbiage has to match perfectly IMO
[04:48] <valorie> anything else is confusing to people
[04:48] <ahoneybun> only one slide is 14.4 the others are 13.4
[04:48] <valorie> boo
[04:49] <ahoneybun> we need up to date screenshots
[04:49] <valorie> yes
[04:49] <valorie> our number one priority, IMO, is to make sure *everything* is up to date
[04:49] <ahoneybun> guess I need to write to the devel list for those
[04:50] <ahoneybun> or install trusty in a vm and get my self
[04:50] <ahoneybun> *myself
[04:50] <ahoneybun> about verbiage
[04:50] <ahoneybun> some of us are european so we have different spelling
[04:50] <ahoneybun> like a z in the place of a s
[04:51] <ahoneybun> organisation -> organization
[04:53] <valorie> we use the american spelling
[04:53] <valorie> KDE does, ubuntu does, and so do we
[04:53]  * ahoneybun is trying to randomize his songs in amarok
[04:54] <valorie> there are two ways to do that -- shuffle, or set for random play
[04:54] <ahoneybun> which one is american the s or z
[04:54] <valorie> not sure; check dict
[04:54] <valorie> z is murrican I think
[04:55] <ahoneybun> darn amarok
[04:55] <valorie> anyway, that's why there is en_gb
[04:55] <valorie> and just plain en
[04:55]  * ahoneybun just realized that the amarok documentation is not in kubuntu 13.10
[04:56] <valorie> what?
[04:56] <valorie> are you kidding me?
[04:56] <ahoneybun> screenshot?
[04:56] <valorie> I mean, I don't package it, but it should have been in the tarball
[04:57] <ahoneybun> amarok handbook is not in khelpcenter
[04:58] <valorie> I'll be damned, you are right
[04:58] <valorie> the linkage must be wrong, because it is there
[04:58] <valorie> could you please file a bug about this, ahoneybun?
[04:58] <ahoneybun> sure
[04:58] <ahoneybun> Harald Sitter
[04:58] <ahoneybun> Phonon, Lord-President of KDE Multimedia (apachelogger)
[04:58] <ahoneybun> lol
[04:59] <ahoneybun> would that be kde or kubuntu?
[04:59] <ahoneybun> and/or khelpcenter or amarok?
[05:01] <ahoneybun> why in the world is there no random/shuffle button in the main menu
[05:01] <valorie> I don't know where the problem lies
[05:01] <valorie> file it in launchpad for now
[05:01]  * ahoneybun looks
[05:01] <valorie> we'll see
[05:02] <ahoneybun> well we would have to see if it does it just in kubuntu
[05:03] <valorie> right
[05:07] <ahoneybun> hard to found out where the problem is
[05:07] <valorie> khelpcenter needs a lot of help itself
[05:08] <ahoneybun> oh?
[05:08] <ahoneybun> "The requested documentation was not found on your computer."
[05:08] <ahoneybun> so looking in the wrong location then
[05:09] <valorie> could be a packaging problem
[05:09] <valorie> hard to say
[05:12] <ahoneybun> hard to look if we don;t know the file name
[05:12] <ahoneybun> I think it is index.html
[05:12] <ahoneybun> as you can find it on docs.kde.org
[05:13] <ahoneybun> well the khelpcenter says report it to bugs.kde.org 
[05:13] <valorie> ok
[05:14] <ahoneybun> but it might be a package issue on our end
[05:15] <valorie> yup
[05:15] <valorie> sec
[05:21] <ahoneybun> I think this is where the khelpcenter files are /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/
[05:22] <ahoneybun> seems to have happened before https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275869
[05:24] <ahoneybun> http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/all/amarok-doc/filelist it is in saucy
[05:25] <ahoneybun> omg
[05:26] <ahoneybun> it is not installed by default
[05:29] <ahoneybun> installing to see if that is the problem (most likely is)
[05:38] <ahoneybun> valorie: it is because the amarok-doc package is not installed
[05:47] <valorie> weird
[05:48] <valorie> so is that packaging, or was it not included in the tarball?
[05:48] <ahoneybun> yea I installed that package and it shows the docs now
[05:48] <ahoneybun> well it is packageed
[05:48] <ahoneybun> so it is not included in the iso
[05:48] <valorie> if it wasn't there, then the amarok-devel list is the place to write to
[05:48] <ahoneybun> which would be on our side
[05:51] <ahoneybun> anyway I'm going to sleep
[05:51] <ahoneybun> almost 1am here
[05:51] <valorie> ah, so we have the package, but it's not marked as depends
[05:52] <ahoneybun> yea
[05:52] <valorie> probably just recommends
[05:52] <valorie> not sure if that's good or not
[05:52] <ahoneybun> yea I believe so
[05:52] <valorie> khelpcenter should say so
[05:53] <ahoneybun> http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/all/amarok-doc/filelist
[05:53] <ahoneybun> recommands
[05:53] <valorie> khelpcenter should say: to see this doc, install it
[05:53] <ahoneybun> yea anyway good night
[05:54] <valorie> sweet dreams
[05:54] <ahoneybun> you too. /away
[07:03] <jarkko_> i just rebooted i have been installing lots of kubuntu repo stuff lately...i just got powermanager for my keyboard...
[08:34] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: why dev account?
[08:36] <apachelogger> ah
[08:36] <apachelogger> ahoneybun, valorie: you don't have to do anything on git :P
[08:36] <apachelogger> git only contains the packaging
[08:43] <valorie> but that's the way to see the package, right?
[08:43] <valorie> or to submit a patch
[08:44]  * valorie is still watching the olympics
[08:44] <valorie> austria had a nice big delegation
[08:47] <valorie> woah, swiss are a sea of red
[08:51] <dp_> can i help kde with something. please let me know if i can contribute in n e manner
[08:51] <lordievader> apachelogger: popey 
[08:51] <dp_> :-)
[08:51] <lordievader> Ehh too early in the morning, sorry for ^
[08:51] <lordievader> ahoneybun: pong
[08:52] <valorie> oh my goodness, playing Tartu as the russians enter
[08:52] <valorie> how ironic
[08:52] <valorie> dp_: we can always use a hand
[08:52] <valorie> please look at our website, esp. the contribute part
[08:52] <dp_> let me know what can i do?
[08:53] <dp_> sure
[08:53] <valorie> and pitch in where you would like!
[08:53] <dp_> sounds great
[08:53] <valorie> we all have fun here
[08:53] <valorie> at least most of the time
[08:53] <valorie> :-)
[08:54] <valorie> ok, off for the night
[08:58] <dp_> can n e one help me get this link. the one valorie just posted above?
[08:58] <dp_> esp.??????????????\
[09:08] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:47] <snele> dp_: http://www.kubuntu.org/community , contribute part is at bottom of the page ;)
[09:51] <dp_> tx snele...:-)
[11:31] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:12] <kdeuser56> is there a package that enables oxygen for qt5 applications in trusty?
[14:18] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: nope
[14:18] <shadeslayer> hasn't been ported afaik
[14:20] <kdeuser56> is it possible to have it in trusty?
[14:20] <kdeuser56> or is it technically not possible?
[14:24] <shadeslayer> it hasn't been ported to Qt5, so someone needs to port it first
[14:25] <shadeslayer> or maybe it has, but there are no plans to package kde-workspace with KF5/Qt5 in trusty
[14:26] <shadeslayer> might have been ported : https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-workspace/repository/revisions/master/show/kstyles/oxygen
[14:28] <kdeuser56> i have read somewhere kdelibs would have to be built against qt5 to have oxygen for qt5 applications ... 
[14:30] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: it has been ported to KF5: http://hugo-kde.blogspot.co.at/2013/08/some-news-from-oxygen-world.html
[14:31] <kdeuser56> my question was if it would be possible to have two versions of oxygen running: one for qt5 applications and one for qt4 ones
[14:50] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: I /think/ so
[14:51] <shadeslayer> it most certainly will be co-installable
[14:51] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: I recommend asking in #oxygen
[14:51] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: nice
[14:52] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: maybe i will do that later ... if I find out how, would you create a package?
[14:52] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: nope
[14:52] <shadeslayer> like I said, no plans to ship KF5/PW2 in the archive
[14:53] <shadeslayer> but we have Neon 5 and Packages from KF5 tech release
[14:53] <shadeslayer> s/release/preview/
[14:53] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "but we have Neon 5 and Packages from KF5 tech preview"
[14:53] <shadeslayer> in the Kubuntu experimental PPA
[14:53] <shadeslayer> gtg
[14:53] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: okay thanks
[15:46] <ScottK> Riddell: We'd want to do 12.04.5, right?
[15:58] <Riddell> ScottK: if it was happening yeah we'd be part of it, I don't have any special desire for it to happen
[15:58] <Riddell> ahoneybun: sure I'd support you getting a dev account for kde
[16:09] <ahoneybun> Riddell: you know I need it to see the work apachelogger is doing on the docs mostly
[16:10] <Riddell> ahoneybun: mm do you?
[16:10] <ahoneybun> mm?
[16:10] <Riddell> does it give you magic powers on the wiki?
[16:11] <ahoneybun> magic powers?
[16:12] <Riddell> ahoneybun: how does it let you see the work apachelogger is doing on the docs?
[16:12] <ahoneybun> well I do not have permission as it is on the git.kde.org
[16:13] <ahoneybun> I mean someone could just upload the work to dropbox sure
[16:13] <Riddell> ahoneybun: anyone can look at kde git
[16:13] <ahoneybun> I can;t
[16:14] <ahoneybun> well I try to clone it and says permission denied
[16:14] <Riddell> ahoneybun: what url?
[16:14] <ahoneybun>  git@git.kde.org:scratch/sitter/kubuntu-docs
[16:15] <ahoneybun> thinking now it might come down to apachelogger letting me in
[16:16] <Riddell> ahoneybun: git clone git://anongit.kde.org/scratch/sitter/kubuntu-docs
[16:18] <ahoneybun> oh
[16:18] <ahoneybun> crap
[16:18] <Peace-> guys how to slap with konversation ?
[16:18] <Peace-> xD
[16:18] <ahoneybun> seems that work
[16:20] <ahoneybun> that is all the docs in there?
[16:20] <ahoneybun> Riddell: why is amarok-doc not a depend of amarok?>
[16:21] <ahoneybun> different topic
[16:22] <ahoneybun> http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/all/amarok-doc
[16:45] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: because it's too huge
[16:46] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: amarok-doc?
[16:46] <apachelogger> yes
[16:47] <ahoneybun> well when you try to access the amarok handbook it opens khelpcenter will "documentation not found" it should say "install the amarok-docs package" with instructions on how to do that
[16:48] <apachelogger> yes it should
[16:48] <apachelogger> except no one has created any such ability
[16:48] <ahoneybun> valorie suggested that
[16:49] <ahoneybun> I see
[17:20] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: so there is about 5 langs beside english on the docs?
[17:39] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks like it'll likely happen.  Thanks.
[17:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: in l10n_language.h why the need for explicit? you're afraid of some implicit parameter type convertion?
[17:48] <ScottK> kdeconnect-kde SRU still needs verification.
[17:49] <ahoneybun> yofel: how is the tomahawk 0.7 package?
[17:56] <soee> what package contains H.264 decoder ?
[18:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: if I run
[18:15] <Riddell> sudo apt-get remove kde-l10n-engb
[18:15] <Riddell> then run demo
[18:15] <Riddell> it still returns l10n.isSupportComplete()  as true
[18:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: no documentation for Locale(const QList<QString> &kdeLanguageCodes, const QString &country); ?
[18:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: "Constructs a Locale from a predefined set of languages and a country" what happens if you give it more than one language? surely 1 locale can only have 1 language?
[18:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think I'd like some comment to explain the purpose of export.h
[18:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: but otherwise I think it's a work of perfection
[21:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: thank you :*
[22:00] <apachelogger> the engb thing is curious
[22:00] <apachelogger> gonna add a testcase to keep on top of it
[22:00] <apachelogger> en_GB and en_US mapping is tediously complex :/
[22:02] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: no localization is complete as yuri pointed out
[22:02] <apachelogger> docs need to be "frozen" i.e. finished and not changed, and translators need to be asked to translate away
[22:02] <apachelogger> I expect valorie knows more on the process there
[22:05] <valorie> I know what he said, and as I said last night, our #1 priority right now should be checking the docs for accuracy against 14.04
[22:05] <valorie> we need up-to-date slides and screenies for starters
[22:06] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: ^ 
[22:10] <valorie> oh, we already talked last night, we agree about it
[22:17] <valorie> perhaps next week I can upgrade to alpha 2 on the other box and take some screenies
[23:33] <ronnoc> ahoneybun: I am going to file a bug to KDE requesting that if a help file is missing, there is some (at minimum) generic message that is user-friendly that tells them that the help file is missing and that it should be installed by the user. Having KHelpcenter simply say "The requested documentation was not found on your computer" is NOT very user-friendly.
[23:36] <ronnoc> as referenced here long ago by appachelogger in this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-runtime/+bug/284915/comments/2
[23:37] <ronnoc> s/appachelogger/apachelogger
[23:37] <valorie> we lack someone to love on khelpcenter
[23:38] <valorie> apachelogger tried to work on it at some point, but fled the brokenness
[23:39] <valorie> even an error message that says, there *may be* a help file, and where to look -- that would be helpful
[23:39] <ronnoc> apachelogger: however since we now only ship iso's on DVD size, I think any available help docs should be installed by default if the application is to come on the standard iso, size be dammed :)
[23:40] <ronnoc> valorie: I agree. the only other option would seem to be to make all -doc files as reccomends
[23:40] <ronnoc> which i personally would be ok with
[23:41] <valorie> sure, but each method of installing has its own way of dealing with recommends
[23:41] <valorie> I'm not sure that is a solution
[23:43] <ronnoc> well it would take care of installing packages via Muon or Muon Discover, which is the default way we instruct people to install applications. People installing from command line probably know how to install a help file if needed, which they likely wouldn't
[23:43] <ronnoc> and even in that case it would still show them in the terminal that a doc package is available
[23:44] <ronnoc> for now, I will just file the bug w/ KDE - it's a start
[23:49] <ronnoc> Slightly -offtopic-, but <3 the way muon discover shows 'reccomends' as 'add-ons'. That's brilliant IMHO. 
[23:53] <Riddell> there's no maintainer of khelpcentre, plenty people have said they're rewrite it but nobody has
[23:56] <ronnoc> Riddell: :/
[23:57] <ronnoc> the code is THAT bad? ouch.
[23:58] <Riddell> it's more that documentation isn't that interesting to coders
[23:59] <valorie> important to our new users, though
[23:59] <valorie> I remember relying on and being disappointed often by the help center