[00:00] <ali1234> there is no standard way
[00:00] <ali1234> sometimes you can do make uninstall, but that almost never works
[00:00] <map|work> and if you cant do that what do you do?
[00:00] <ali1234> cry
[00:01] <ali1234> then delete all the stuff by hand
[00:01] <shauno> make install >alogfile, then grep out the filenames and nuke 'em
[00:06] <map|work> ah
[00:06] <map|work> so literally have to go through a logfile and then reverse 1 by 1?
[00:06] <map|work> or i guess if youre good could write a script to do it>?
[00:13] <shauno> actually, it looks like it just puts everything under /usr/local/squidGuard
[00:14] <shauno> and if you tell it to use --prefix=/opt, it still puts most of it in /usr/local/squidGuard.  lovely.
[00:14] <map|work> lol
[00:14] <map|work> but in general if compilingand making by source u need to see the log and work out where everything is and manually rm?
[00:15] <shauno> there's not really an 'in general', which is why I called it an awkward question
[00:16] <map|work> so its a paion!
[00:16] <shauno> usually I'd try to make install again and catch the output this time.  squidGuard, for example, decides not to give you any output
[00:17] <map|work> ha
[00:17] <map|work> thanks
[00:17] <shauno> if you're a bit more organised, you can use something like 'checkinstall', but that needs to be done before you install, not after
[00:17] <map|work> i see
[00:18] <map|work> so i need to basically just rm -rf ./usr/local/squid
[00:18] <shauno> squidGuard, not squid ;)
[00:19] <map|work> haha yea
[00:19] <shauno> for this one, it seems so.  generally that'd be wrong.  squidGuard seems to enjoy being wrong
[00:19] <map|work> yea thought so normally it leaves stuff in places eh
[00:20] <shauno> I tend to put stuff like this in /opt/whatever.  that way I have it nice and contained when I want to nuke it (or backup, etc)
[01:00] <map|work> hi ahayzen
[01:01] <ahayzen> map|work, o/
[01:01] <map|work> quiet in here tonight
[01:05] <shauno> I guess normal people sleep
[01:18] <diddledan__> nevar!
[01:18] <diddledan__> SLEEP BEGONE!
[01:19] <diddledan__> I'm busy trying to work out why my cheapo nas is thrashing the hdd and not letting me do anything
[01:19] <diddledan__> (wd mybook live)
[01:21] <map|work> ah
[01:21] <map|work> thrashing the hdd?:| doesnt sound good?
[01:22] <diddledan__> looks like "mediacrawler" is running
[01:23] <diddledan__> I guess that's an indexing thing for music
[01:23] <map|work> what does the nas run?
[01:26] <diddledan__> whatever wd decided to put on there
[01:27] <map|work> just wondered so not like you can ssh to it is it just a web interface?
[01:27] <diddledan__> the web interface isn't responding
[01:27] <diddledan__> I've backdoored it to allow ssh, hence how I know mediacrawler is running
[01:28] <diddledan__> but I can't tell you anything about what mediacrawler is because I didn't put it there
[01:28] <map|work> ah
[02:01] <daftykins> \o
[02:01] <daftykins> sorry been away gaming with friends
[02:03] <map|work> hello
[02:03] <map|work> :D
[02:03] <map|work> just glad it's all working:)
[02:03] <daftykins> ^_^
[02:03] <map|work> well i asay all - no idea how to solve the original thing that led me to mess it all up
[02:03] <map|work> LOL
[02:04] <daftykins> hehe, what was that?
[02:04] <map|work> installing squigGuard from source DB_>put cant be something something to do with libdm
[02:04] <map|work> so i removed it as we know
[02:04] <map|work> lol
[02:05] <daftykins> \o/
[02:05] <shauno> this is oddly fascinating; http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2014/02070836-isee-3.html
[02:09] <daftykins> wow
[02:09] <daftykins> surely they could somehow do it in software from the ISS
[02:10] <daftykins> oh ok it's a hardware limitation
[02:11] <shauno> it seems pretty similar to the bands Apollo used
[02:12] <daftykins> this is what makes me laugh about sci-fi like Stargate where they can plug into alien technology and talk to it
[02:12] <daftykins> usually with Sam Carter carrying a Dell laptop and a network cable
[02:13] <daftykins> well well well, the aliens happened to develop CSMA/CD precisely the same way eh?
[02:13] <daftykins> then ethernet above it too? my word.
[02:13] <shauno> http://mdkenny.customer.netspace.net.au/ISEE-3.pdf  lists the frequencies, they match pretty closely to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_S-band
[02:14] <shauno> which makes sense given 1971.  but most the DSN stuff is on 8.4-ish GHz now
[02:14] <daftykins> D:
[02:14] <shauno> hopefuly whoever ditched the old gear in '99 feels like a proper prat now  lol
[02:15] <diddledan__> that's really sad :-(
[02:16] <diddledan__> poor little space ship that could saying "hello, can I play" but being ignored like the kid nobody wants on their football team
[02:16] <ali1234> would be funny if some hams hijacked it
[02:17] <shauno> yeah, that's which way the comments are going.  which is .. fascinating and terrifying
[02:17] <shauno> reaching it would be a hellish interesting challenge.  but without any guidance - what do they send?
[02:18] <ali1234> everything, until something happens
[02:18] <shauno> that's the terrifying part.  what if 'goodnight' is lower down the list of commands than 'turn around' ?
[02:19] <ali1234> i dunno
[02:19] <ali1234> will it come around again in another 10 years? or just drift off into space?
[02:21] <daftykins> it concerned me the way they said it was catching up with Earth, as though it might just enter the atmosphere and burn up
[02:21] <shauno> it sounds like it'd catch up again, but .. if they put it in this orbit in 88, and it's just come back now; it'd repeat in 2040?
[02:21] <ali1234> it kind of implies they had contact in 1999
[02:22] <shauno> right, but that's DSN .. it doesn't need to be close, that's the same equipment we talk to mars with
[02:22] <shauno> ('deep space network')
[02:22] <diddledan__> shauno: you're totally a space geek :-D
[02:23] <ali1234> i don't get it... is the problem that you can only do two way when it is close by?
[02:23] <shauno> it sounds more like there was just no point in giving it commands any earlier
[02:24] <diddledan__> I think the idea is they wanted to tell it to slow down to re-enter earth-orbit
[02:24] <diddledan__> although there was mention of sending it back off to the sun for more science
[02:25] <diddledan__> the little space ship that could can do science!
[02:25] <shauno> the helicentric bit .. if you start off in an orbit that matches ours.  and then distort it so it's a little egg-shaped
[02:25] <diddledan__> play kerbal and you'll get an idea of how orbits work :-p
[02:26] <shauno> you end up with an orbit that crosses ours at its 'high' point, but overall has a lower period - so it orbits less than 365 days
[02:26] <shauno> so then you get this phasing effect where most the times it pops anywhere near our orbit, we're somewhere else
[02:28] <shauno> heh, yes, exactly .. this is the same method you use to meet a space station in KSP :)
[02:29] <map|work> hmm where can i find some doc about setting up squidGuard from the repos
[02:33] <shauno> /usr/share/doc/squidguard would be a sensible place to check
[02:34] <shauno> especially if there's a readme.debian (unless ubuntu rename those?), that should have bits that are distro-specific
[02:35] <map|work> ah is that where it puts docs? didnt actually know
[02:36] <shauno> yeah; you'll find a *lot* of bedtime reading in /usr/share/doc :)
[02:39] <shauno> I'll admit most my understanding of orbital mechanics is from games :)  but my understanding is that the 'rendevous' should re-occur every (year/(our orbital period - its orbital period)) years
[03:05] <map|work> anyone still around?
[03:05] <diddledan__> yup
[03:08] <map|work> still cant get squidguard to work LOL
[03:09] <map|work> dafty - Setting up squidguard (1.5-1) ...                                                                                                            Rebuild SquidGuard database - this can take a while.                                                                                         DB->put: method not permitted before handle's open method                                                                                    ^Cdpk
[03:10] <map|work> that was the error - oops didnt format too well
[03:10] <daftykins> no experience with it i'm afraid
[03:10] <map|work> thanks anyway :D
[03:10] <map|work> getting stuck at same part whether i use source/apt
[03:11] <shauno> does look like exactly the same bug again :/
[03:12] <map|work> so i dont know what to do - when you google it there's not much on it and nothing recent and ubuntu
[03:15] <shauno> 3am and I'm watching robocop.  this can't end well :/
[03:16] <map|work> haha the old one i assume?
[03:16] <shauno> yeah
[03:16] <shauno> I don't think the new one's out on .. err .. err .. blueray yet
[03:47] <daftykins> -e
[03:47] <map|work> -f
[03:51] <daftykins> 0o
[03:51] <map|work> going crazy with this/..tried from source..got that error..so tried from the repos got that error
[03:52] <map|work> jst looked on packages.ubuntu grabbed the libdm they say there ..installed it and it says it was the same as i had
[03:52] <map|work> arghh
[03:56] <daftykins> could be a bug
[03:57] <daftykins> map|work: is squidguard still installed?
[03:58] <daftykins> http://www.squidguard.org/Doc/known_issues.html
[03:58] <daftykins> Fix/Workaround:
[03:58] <daftykins> BerkeleyDB up to version 4.6 is known to work properly.
[03:58] <map|work> not atm - yea but i have 5.1 can i install an old version at same time?
[04:02] <daftykins> doubt it, try obtaining an old'un
[04:02] <shauno> uninstalling it is what caused his earlier wifi problems .. not sure I'd mess with that too lightly
[04:03] <daftykins> uninstalling the BerkeleyDB portion?
[04:03] <daftykins> oh was this the libdb malarkey?
[04:03] <shauno> right; they're one in the same
[04:04] <daftykins> i officially just turned the page in my head to catch up XD
[04:04] <daftykins> though your package of squidguard is 1.5-1
[04:04] <shauno> heh, I know the feeling, logrotate's already ran :p
[04:05] <map|work> yea
[04:05] <map|work> thats the one from the repos dafty
[04:05] <map|work> http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/squidguard
[04:05] <daftykins> maybe their website is just horrifically outdated then?
[04:06] <daftykins> you know, another thought occurs
[04:06] <map|work> give up?
[04:06] <daftykins> i know nothing about BerkeleyDB, but the error looks to be to do with setting up a db
[04:06] <map|work> heh
[04:06] <daftykins> what if you could do it manually?
[04:06] <shauno> if I was really determined, I'd build 4.6 into /opt/somewhere and then build squidguard with ./configure --with-db=/opt/somewhere
[04:06] <daftykins> as they say it's obviously tripping up due to a syntax issue between versions
[04:06] <map|work> yea its when it tries to make the blacklist files into the db - no idea how it all mentions squidcard -C all to make the db file
[04:07] <map|work> see i dont get it..squidguards really popul;ar from what ive heard so surely if this issue was commonplace id see more when i google search
[04:07] <shauno> but I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable hand-holding that one.  especially at 4am
[04:09] <daftykins> map|work: do you have an older setup of it anywhere else with existing db's?
[04:09] <map|work> nope only recently been looking at it
[04:10] <daftykins> ah ok
[04:10] <daftykins> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=894294
[04:10] <daftykins> that seems so relevant, except for all the differences XD
[04:10] <map|work> yea
[04:10] <shauno> exactyly the same one I fuond 5 hours ago :)
[04:10] <map|work> as i say if its a normal error im getting as ive tried from source and repos wouldnt you expect more on the ubuntu forums etc?
[04:10] <shauno> but it is reassuringly recent
[04:11] <shauno> it doesn't appear to be that well maintained, to be honest.  there's bugs on launchpad 3 years old and still marked new.
[04:11] <shauno> eg, bug #757474 is still marked new
[04:15] <shauno> random offtopic before I go to bed; slightly disturbing that detroit looks better in robocop than it does in real life
[04:15] <daftykins> XD
[04:15] <daftykins> perhaps cars still needed to be made back then?
[04:20] <shauno> I always found it strange that michigan has no equivalent of an MOT test.  as long as the police don't actually spot significant chunks falling off, and all your lights work, you're good
[04:20] <shauno> seems like a sensible move that'd add a bit more turnover to a market they depend on
[04:23] <map|work> lol thats odd never knew that
[04:23] <map|work> daftykins - io thought squidguard was meant to be really popular though
[04:23] <daftykins> i know of squid, not familiar with that'un
[04:24] <daftykins> shauno: we don't have an MOT down here
[04:24] <daftykins> you get pulled over for anything not meeting the highway code and ordered to report to the police station to show their guy you fixed it
[04:29] <map|work> so you need to know what meets highway6 code yourself ideally
[04:29] <map|work> guess it should be obvious?
[04:39] <map|work> hm found 4.6 source
[04:46] <diddledan__> http://phk.freebsd.dk/_downloads/FOSDEM_2014.pdf
[05:48] <mapps> hoorah home
[05:48] <mapps> whats that diddledan__
[05:59] <MartijnVdS> morning mapps
[05:59] <mapps> morning MartijnVdS
[05:59] <mapps> up early for a weekend mate
[06:03] <MartijnVdS> 7am, an hour later than weekdays :)
[06:07] <mapps> :)
[06:10] <daftykins> O_O
[06:13] <diddledan__> freenas + zfs or custom-jobby + btrfs?
[06:13] <mapps> u guys not slept?:D
[06:14] <diddledan__> mapps: neither have you :-p
[06:14] <mapps> i work nights!
[06:14] <mapps> been to work and home now:P
[06:14] <diddledan__> aah
[06:15] <MartijnVdS> diddledan__: I'd go for the custom one, just because apt > "cd /usr/local/ports/whatever; make install"
[06:15] <MartijnVdS> woop: http://www.openmediavault.org/
[06:15] <diddledan__> yeah I'm thinking custom jobby too
[06:16] <MartijnVdS> you'll even get a nice front-end :)
[06:16] <MartijnVdS> though btrfs is still "roadmap"
[06:17] <mapps> erm what the
[06:17] <mapps> i didnt get an error doing squidGuard -C all ?!
[06:18] <MartijnVdS> squid is scary.
[06:59] <MartijnVdS> nice.. https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/amd64/automatic-install.html (note the URL) claims it's about 11.10
[07:04] <foobarry> sleepless night :(
[07:06] <MartijnVdS> does anyone here have experience with preseeding an Ubuntu installation?
[07:13] <foobarry> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26033685
[07:13] <foobarry> in other news, people are shocked that xfactor might not be genuine
[07:14] <foobarry> EA are the suck
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> they are :(
[07:42] <SuperMatt> <3 pipelight
[07:49] <knightwise> mornin everyone
[07:53] <SuperMatt> morning knightwise
[09:37] <brobostigon> good morning boys and girls.
[09:47] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:47] <brobostigon> morning czajkowski
[09:48] <czajkowski> ello
[10:55] <Gone_Protoss> Hello
[11:50] <czajkowski> anyone here running Trusty ?
[12:01] <AlanBell> czajkowski: yup
[12:01] <AlanBell> czajkowski: it went a bit funny yesterday with a US keyboard layout, but is fairly happy today
[12:07] <moreati> Afternoon all. I customize the touch pad of my MBP running Trusty Tahir with  `synclient TapButton3=2 HorizTwoFingerScroll=1 PalmDetect=1`. However if I've run this the laptop will spontaneously resume from suspend, a few seconds after I've closed the lid.
[12:09] <moreati> I suspect the laptop screen is causing a touch event, probably a 4-finger touch event, because the unity menu is open once I unlock the session following a spotaneous resume.
[12:11] <penguin42> moreati: I guess it might be possible to change that config back in a hook before the rsuspend
[12:11] <moreati> I'd like to investigate the code that (I assume) that controls the touchpad during suspend, to see if my script has interfered somehow. Anyone know roughly where that code lives?
[12:12] <moreati> e.g. is it in upstart? unity? X? libsomething?
[12:13] <moreati> penguin42: that's ... a damn good idea.
[12:13] <penguin42> moreati: I'd have thought it would be in /etc/pm - that's where the hooks go for any specials
[12:14] <penguin42> moreati: Or /usr/lib/pm-utils
[12:15] <moreati> penguin42: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnderstandingSuspend looks like a good primer so far
[12:15] <penguin42> moreati: Cool - although watch out, it changes quite often :-)
[12:16] <moreati> ‏‎oh yes UnderstandingSuspend (last edited 2011-06-22
[12:23] <czajkowski> AlanBell: if you click about ubuntu what version do you see
[12:23] <czajkowski> AlanBell: if I click about I see 13.10 and the same for the splash
[12:23] <czajkowski> but I am pretty sure I'm running trusty as when I do the updates it's pulling in from trusty archive
[12:24] <AlanBell> czajkowski: yeah, 13.10, they don't update that until quite late in the cycle
[12:24] <AlanBell> czajkowski: cat /etc/lsb-release
[12:24] <AlanBell> that should show 14.10
[12:26]  * AlanBell is off to London to see the Queen musical later
[12:28] <moreati> "One is the champion, one's friend. One will keep fighting to the end" The Queen musical
[12:29] <AlanBell> heh, yes!
[12:51] <czajkowski> AlanBell: yup tis, thanks
[13:56] <jussi> anyone around?  my permissions reading is getting rusty... what does -rw-rw-r-- mean again?
[14:06] <BigRedS> jussi, owner may read and write, group-owner may read and write, everyone else may only read
[14:06] <jussi> BigRedS: thanks
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> whoa.. NL on 1, 2, 3 @ speed skating
[14:21] <jussi> BigRedS: and this one drwxrwxr-x ?
[14:27] <BigRedS> that's a directory; user and owner may enter (r), list (x) and create files in, everyone else ownly enter and list
[14:28] <BigRedS> jussi, (the d at the beginning marks it as a directory)
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> woo, I have a GPS NTP working :)
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> now all I need to do is fine-tune it
[14:37] <BigRedS> whoop!
[14:37] <BigRedS> We got that at work, took some time to get the GPS thingy into a position whereby it could both talk to our NTP server *and* the sattelites
[14:38] <MartijnVdS> yes, that *is* the hard part :)
[15:03] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ah you're right my keyboard is USA layout
[15:03] <czajkowski> """"
[15:03] <czajkowski> @@@
[15:03] <mapps> how can i use apt-get but tell it to skip/ignore a related/dependent package?
[15:05] <MartijnVdS> mapps: you can't install a package if its dependencies aren't satisfied
[15:05] <mapps> argh
[15:05] <MartijnVdS> you can install it if its *recommendations* aren't satisfied
[15:05] <MartijnVdS> apt-get --no-install-recommends install foo
[15:06] <mapps> this is so irritating squiguard in the repos installs squid3 too - it needs squid or squid3 ..but i have squid instaled but for some reason it doesnt see it and installs squid
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> mapps: apt-cache show squid ->
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> Description-en: dummy transitional package from squid to squid3
[15:06] <mapps> when i compiled from source i couldnt get the blacklists to convert to db ..then when i used repos it worked..but now i had squid and squid3
[15:06] <mapps> what does that mean for my existing squid setup?
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> mapps: backup the config, remove any squid packages and self-compiled binaries, apt-get install squid3
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> put back config
[15:07] <mapps> hm
[15:07] <mapps> hm
[15:08] <mapps> think thats best?
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> why not? at least you'll only have one squid installed
[15:10] <mapps> ok
[15:10] <mapps> copied squd_passwd/squid.conf and blacklists to a tmp dir
[15:10] <mapps> now rm -rf /usr/local/squid ? never sure how to remove when compiled from source as i was saying yesterday
[15:11] <DJones> bigcalm: Just for info, I queried that Lenovo laptop because the specs were conflicting, had a reply from somebody who'd bought one "I recieved this laptop yesterday. Not as decribed, has a i7 4702mq processor, no backlit keyboard and 1366 x 788 screen. Called amazon who assured me they will exchange for correct laptop as described. I'm very doubtful, but live in hope. Will let you know the outcome."  So not 1920*1080 and a slower processor
[15:14] <BigRedS> DJones, I'm not sure that was aimed at me
[15:14] <BigRedS> Wait, it wasn't
[15:14] <BigRedS> eurgh
[15:14] <BigRedS> Oh right, I've somehow coloured differen't people's entire messages differently
[15:15] <mapps> ;]
[15:22] <brobostigon> oh yes, foursquare on my pebble, :)
[15:23] <mapps> =]
[15:30]  * foobarry tried making a diorama today. who wants to see?
[15:32] <mapps> hmm what to do now
[15:32] <mapps> whats that foobarry
[15:32] <foobarry> made a little airfield scene..
[15:33] <mapps> arghhhhhhhhhhhhh
[15:33] <mapps> Setting up squidguard (1.5-1) ...
[15:33] <mapps> Move log file directory to new directory /var/log/squidguard.
[15:33] <mapps> chown: missing operand after ‘proxy:proxy’
[15:33] <mapps> Try 'chown --help' for more information.
[15:33] <mapps> dpkg: error processing squidguard (--configure):
[15:33] <mapps> another problem now:/ dunno what its doing
[15:34] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/JrGCaPn.jpg
[15:38] <popey> moo
[15:39] <foobarry> baa
[15:40] <popey> nice diorama foobarry
[15:40] <popey> i like those
[15:40] <popey> which is one reason why i like going to places where they have big train sets out
[15:41] <foobarry> thanks popey
[15:41] <foobarry> didn't take very long. painted. white glue, then scatter grass/
[15:42] <foobarry> quite easy to do with the kids, except i'm alone today :P
[15:43] <mapps> whats squidguard trying to do?!'/
[15:53] <BigRedS> mapps, have a look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/squidguard.postinst and see what's in the configure section
[15:54] <BigRedS> specifically, it's trying to chown something and invoking chown wrong
[15:54] <mapps> ah
[15:54] <mapps> thanks
[15:54] <BigRedS> so probably using a variable that's not been initialised
[15:54] <BigRedS> you can just hash out the chown, do it manually and then do apt-get -f install
[15:54] <BigRedS> if you trust that you've correctly guessed what it wanted to do
[15:55] <BigRedS> I fix too many of my problems by editing postinst scripts :)
 mapps: spearhead There's a bug in the update-squidguard post-install script; fixed in Debian/Trusty
[16:00] <BigRedS> ah, handy
[16:09] <mapps> cant see anythng on it tho?
[16:09] <mapps> hm
[16:16] <czajkowski> hmm cant seem to get my keyboard to revert to UK from USA in trusty
[16:16] <czajkowski> slightly baffling
[16:18] <foobarry> what do people use to import photos? shotwell never remebmers the ones i've already imprted
[16:18] <BigRedS> rsync
[16:18] <foobarry> so if i have a zillion pics on the card, it takes forever to scan
[16:18] <foobarry> hmm
[16:18] <foobarry> which command do u use?
[16:19] <BigRedS> might not be as featureful as you're used to, but I just periodically do rsync -avz /media/<daft string my phone's at>/dcim ~/pictures/from-phone
[16:20] <foobarry> ah ok
[16:21] <foobarry> doesn't really work  out for camera
[16:23] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1277900
[16:23] <popey> anyone get that on trusty
[16:23] <popey> ?
[16:26] <czajkowski> popey: yup
[16:29] <popey> can you confirm pls?
[16:30] <czajkowski> popey: done already
[16:30] <czajkowski> popey: AlanBell said there was an issue yesterday with the the fact the keyboard goes into a US layout
[16:30] <czajkowski> nm restarted
[16:30] <popey> I dont see that here
[16:30] <czajkowski> all working fine
[16:37] <popey> also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1277905 if anyone has miencraft or titan attacks on 14.04
[16:38] <czajkowski> hmm no games installed to test sorry
[16:40] <popey> np
[17:19] <DJones> BigRedS: yeah, that should have been bigcalm
[17:24] <mapps> hm
[17:24] <mapps> wonder how long itll take till i can make my hair into a ponytail
[17:24] <mapps> trouble is it just looks messy as it grows for now
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> also, if you have any kind of baldness, it'll look *wrong*
[17:25] <BigRedS> DJones I think it was
[17:25] <mapps> i dont /dont have a receeding hairline either
[17:25] <mapps> just my hair goes curly
[17:25] <mapps> i coukd stragghten it
[17:25] <mapps> :D
[17:34] <NET||abuse> i'm having an annoying bootup problem, when lightdm should be starting, i'm getting a blank screen with blinking ;cursor :(
[17:36] <penguin42> NET||abuse: Check /var/lo/lightdm to see why
[17:37] <NET||abuse> hitting th epower button switches off the machine after barely a couple lines of output, i get to grub and i can go to recovery with networking if i try
[17:38] <NET||abuse> but blank screen blinking cursor on normal boot, also I can't ctrl+alt+f1-6 to a tty
[17:39] <BigRedS> can you boot into recovery mode?
[17:39] <NET||abuse> uyes
[17:39] <NET||abuse> so far not with a gui, just command line
[17:40] <BigRedS> but you can use that command line to see what the lightdm log says?
[17:40] <NET||abuse> oh yes, absolutely.
[17:40] <NET||abuse> just waiting for recovery networking tostartup
[17:41] <NET||abuse> takes a while for that bit.
[17:41] <BigRedS> oh cool
[17:50] <NET||abuse> looks like it started X server, last message it says is registering seat with bus path /org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Seat0
[17:50] <NET||abuse> then, it's writitng to x-0.log so have to check that i guess
[17:51] <NET||abuse> so lightdm/x-0.log says (EE) Fatal server error: no screens found
[17:52] <NET||abuse> before that says vesa: Ignoring device with bound kernel driver
[18:00] <NET||abuse> Xorg.0.log says glx will be loaded by default, (WW) xmir is not to be loaded... then loads of loading of glx and besa
[18:00] <NET||abuse> vesa: Ignoring device with a bound kernel driver
[18:00] <NET||abuse> (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa
[18:01] <NET||abuse> (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section.
[18:01] <NET||abuse> Unload module: "vesa"
[18:01] <NET||abuse> (EE) Device(s)detected, but none matched those in the config file.
[18:02] <NET||abuse> (EE) failed to laod module "nvidia" (module does no exist, 0)
[18:02] <penguin42> NET||abuse: Hang on, use a pastebin to give the whole of the Xorg.0.log
[18:04] <NET||abuse> urgh,, how when i'm on a recovery console?
[18:04] <NET||abuse> .. i guess i could post the file up to something.
[18:05] <penguin42> NET||abuse: Try installing the pastebinit program
[18:07] <NET||abuse> cool app.. just reading the man file.
[18:09] <NET||abuse> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6898562/
[18:10] <NET||abuse> emm, lightdm log is ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/6898568
[18:11] <penguin42> NET||abuse: Right
[18:12] <penguin42> NET||abuse: So lightdm is going Waaah! Where did X go
[18:12] <penguin42> NET||abuse: Now, X - hmm it's loaded the Nouveau driver but for some reason you seem to be missing /dev/fb0 - which is a shame!
[18:12] <NET||abuse> hehe
[18:13] <NET||abuse> "a shame" that's one way to put it
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> maybe both nvidia and nouveau are loaded/trying to load?
[18:14] <NET||abuse> i'll purge them all and just load a basic driver? Do i need at least one to even have the failsafe load?
[18:15] <daftykins> do you have a misconfigured /etc/X11/xorg.conf too?
[18:16] <NET||abuse> so wipe out all nvidia* packages? Also kill the Xorg.conf ( can i just delete it and let xserver-xorg dpkg-reconfigure )
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: you don't need a xorg.conf
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: unless you're a *very* special case ;)
[18:16] <NET||abuse> ahah, ok will kill it.
[18:17] <daftykins> move it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old
[18:17] <NET||abuse> yeh, did that.
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: rm2 () { mv "$1" "$1".`date +%s` }
[18:40] <diddledan__> MartijnVdS: I can make a more cryptic version of that: rm2() { mv "$1{,`date +%s`}" }
[18:41] <diddledan__> :-p
[18:41] <diddledan__> I like cryptic
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> woo :)
[18:41] <diddledan__> ooh, forgot the "."
[18:41] <diddledan__> put a . after the ,
[18:43] <diddledan__> I like replacing builtins with fancy stuff too - so instead of calling it rm2, call it rm :-p
[18:43] <diddledan__> then you can never delete anything without really thinking about it
[18:43] <SuperEngineer> "SCO 0 - 20 ENG" ... now that's what I call a happy scoreline at the top of my screen
[18:45] <SuperEngineer> [sympathies to a friendly Scot called Jason - travelled 7 hours to see that at the stadium - then has to be in Essex for Monday]
[18:46] <shauno> this is why I don't see the need for independence :)
[18:46] <SuperEngineer> :D
[18:46] <shauno> I understand that czechoslovakia split up so that they could have two ice hockey teams.  we already have them!
[18:46] <SuperEngineer> ba-boom!
[18:47] <diddledan__> "big bada boom"
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> Multipass?
[18:48]  * SuperEngineer walked into a pub at Wembley when England/Scotland rugby was at the stadium yonks ago - pub full of Scots - friendliest peeps I ever met
[18:48] <diddledan__> bingo!
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> Yay, building my own kernel for the first time in ages (not counting OpenWRT)
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> .. on a Raspberry Pi
[18:49] <diddledan__> MartijnVdS: actually doing the compile on the pi?
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> diddledan__: yes!
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> diddledan__: I have time
[18:49] <diddledan__> lol
[18:49] <diddledan__> nice
[18:49] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: isn't a raspberry kernel called a pip?
[18:49] <shauno> time, and pie - a dangerous combination
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: I have no idea :)
[18:50] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:50] <shauno> my time-sink for the day is geoguessr.com
[18:50] <penguin42> haha yeh that's good
[18:51] <shauno> "don't you have real games to play?"  (3 hours later)  "damnit russia!"
[18:54] <diddledan__> I suck at that
[18:54] <diddledan__> I'm usually an average of 15000 miles out
[18:55] <shauno> I did at first.  you learn to start spotting details
[18:55] <shauno> but I still can't tell the difference between the US north, canada, and scanadavia.  except norway have impossibly cute bus stops
[18:56] <daftykins> XD
[18:56] <shauno> if satellite dishes point south, you're north of the equator, and vice versa - this is often the only way I can tell australia from california!
[18:57] <penguin42> haha I hadn't spotted that type of thing
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> shauno: though you can't tell parts of South Africa from Australia like that
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> shauno: especially on a dirt road in the middle of nowhere
[18:57] <shauno> yeah, the middle of nowhere is difficult.  I end up clicking around for ages looking for another car
[18:57] <diddledan__> anywho, I'm off
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> OK, I'm somewhere in southern europe.. but where..
[18:58] <shauno> if it looks like it's from the 90s, you're in australia.  if it looks like the 80s, you're in africa.  if it looks like the 70s, you're in russia
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> Game finished!
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> You got 11209 points in total.
[19:01] <shauno> I'm stuck in snow :/  it all looks the same
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> wow, russian roads are bad
[19:09] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/sn674svabjotr9g/IMG_20140208_190836.jpg
[19:09] <daftykins> :)
[19:10] <popey> awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[19:10] <shauno> australia is difficult.  you can grow old and die before you find a landmark
[19:10] <popey> daftykins: what's it's name? my daughter is asking
[19:11] <daftykins> popey: she's called Mischief, though that was her existing name from those who had her before :)
[19:11] <popey> heh
[19:11] <daftykins> popey: this'll get your wee ones: https://www.dropbox.com/s/v3etsy1wghkq2oc/IMG-20131213-WA0000.jpg
[19:11] <popey> awww
[19:12] <popey> what is it in my brain that makes me find cats cute
[19:12] <daftykins> :D
[19:12] <daftykins> we're biologically programmed to like big eyed creatures
[19:13] <popey> elephants have big eyes ☻
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> relatively big eyes, compared to the rest of the face ;)
[19:13] <DJones> Speaking of cats, how do you catch one? https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1/1229836_10152287885603140_536745954_n.jpg
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> this is why anime works 8-)
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> DJones: bags also work :)
[19:14] <daftykins> XD
[19:14] <daftykins> popey: this is where she sleeps - https://www.dropbox.com/s/06uodq1hcomp1hn/IMG-20140112-WA0000.jpg
[19:14] <daftykins> curled up beside me in bed for warmth XD
[19:15] <popey> aww
[19:15] <popey> Salem sleeps on Clare's head
[19:15] <popey> or on my legs
[19:15] <daftykins> hahaha!
[19:15] <popey> if we let him
[19:15] <popey> but they get locked in the kitchen these days because sky is annoying at 5am
[19:15] <shauno> 11,761.  not bad considering I put australia in africa again
[19:21] <daftykins> daft question - i don't suppose there's a trusty mini ISO yet?
[19:22] <moreati> if it looks like the 20s you're in ____?
[19:23] <DJones> Dr Who's Tardis
[19:23] <DJones> ?
[19:24] <moreati> I was thinking Japan
[19:26] <DJones> I was thinking 1920's
[19:27] <shauno> I haven't had asia yet.  it seems to like giving me a lot of scandanavia & africa
[19:27] <ali1234> anyone got land's end yet?
[19:28] <shauno> it hasn't given me the UK yet, and I've been playing for hours.  belgium was the closest I think
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> Belgium, man!
[19:33] <ali1234> everywhere looks like belgium
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: nah, some places are too nice, or too sunny
[19:33] <shauno> it just looked like france but with our weather
[19:34] <ali1234> latitude is easier to guess
[19:35] <shauno> most of europe is pretty easy.  russia's difficult because a lot of it has nothing there
[19:35] <shauno> I'm becoming more and more convinced that australia is part of africa.
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> I'm on a *pier*?!
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> full of Asian-looking people?!
[19:37] <daftykins> hahaha
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> with European buildings in the background?!
[19:37] <ali1234> seems like these are 50% tourist spots and 50% fields
[19:37] <shauno> MartijnVdS: vancouver?
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> "Welcome to Tamsui"
[19:39] <penguin42> it gave me one inside a museum or something in Japan
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> it's the northern tip of Taiwan..
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> uh.. walking trip along a rocky coast?
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> and a boat "Mature cruises"..
[19:41] <xalyy> Hey all
[19:43] <daftykins> hi
[19:44] <shauno> "Power Spectral Density of a Synchronous Data Stream Generated by a Binary, Zero Mean, Cyclostationary Sequence"   the more I read, the less convinced I am that hams would be able to help that lost solar probe :/  this stuff is terrifying
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> shauno: lost solar proble?
[19:45] <shauno> oh, something I came across last night; http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2014/02070836-isee-3.html
[19:45] <xalyy> Guys is Webmin a good idea for starting a VPS host?
[19:45] <shauno> an old mission that's finally going to wrap back around to earth, but we no longer have the equipment to intruct it
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it's like V'ger
[19:46] <daftykins> why does 'who' in a TTY not show me someone SSH'd in? 0o
[19:46] <shauno> webmin is generally a bad idea for anything.  Zentyal is the closest thing to a modern replacement; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Zentyal
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: because the person didn't get a tty (ssh foo command_here)
[19:47] <daftykins> didn't it usually show those logins too? 0o
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: no?
[19:47] <xalyy> Guys? :D
[19:48] <daftykins> xalyy: if you want to actually host things for others you really should gain a good grasp of things from the ground up, without using software that holds your hand
[19:48] <xalyy> What you mean?
[19:49] <daftykins> you should learn the hard way before using something that makes it easy
[19:49] <daftykins> :)
[19:49] <xalyy> Ohh, ok but why I can't ask the experts opinion? :P
[19:50] <xalyy> Is Webmin with Virtualmin is user friendly and is it a good idea to build a very early VPS host?
[19:51] <daftykins> what's your native language?
[19:51] <xalyy> Hungarian :D why?
[19:52] <daftykins> just i could detect a language barrier problem
[19:52] <xalyy> Ohh
[19:53] <penguin42> xalyy: webmin is easy, I've not used it in years though - it's generally not regarded as very secure - so make sure you can't get to it remotely
[19:55] <xalyy> Ugh
[19:57] <xalyy> They can easily hack it?
[19:58] <DJones> !webmin | xalyy If you're using Ubuntu, webmin isn't recommended,
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> like we said earlier, it's best to learn how libvirt works, especially if you want to *sell* the service
[19:59] <xalyy> Then what should I use? or Webmin which OS does fully compatible?
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: I don't think webmin is a good idea on any oS
[19:59] <penguin42> xalyy: It was quite popular maybe 15 years ago :-)
[20:00] <xalyy> Wow :D
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> and even then people shuddered at the thought of it ;)
[20:01] <xalyy> Then what do you prefer guys? What should I use?
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> just ssh
[20:01] <xalyy> As cPanel alternative just free
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> virsh, maybe some puppet or chef or ansible to manage multiple machines
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> that's what I'd use if I was starting a VPS host anyway
[20:02] <penguin42> xalyy: What type of stuff are you admining ?
[20:02] <xalyy> VPS I said :P Windows VPS
[20:03] <penguin42> xalyy: virtmanager if you want to manage VMs
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> virt-manager*
[20:04] <penguin42> xalyy: It's good for simple stuff, I know people who really like proxmox for doing more complicated stuff
[20:04] <penguin42> oh yeh
[20:05] <xalyy> So Proxmox is a good choice?
[20:05] <penguin42> I've not used it myself, but I know people who really like it
[20:06] <xalyy> Okay
[20:07] <xalyy> Yeah I just see it looks really good and efficient
[20:07] <xalyy> And its free :D
[20:07] <xalyy> Thanks :)
[20:08] <map|work> evening
[22:19] <xalyy> Hey all
[22:19] <xalyy> Just installed proxmox as you guys said but I have some problems :S
[22:21] <xalyy> The default ip address with 8006 port on the browser not does anything
[22:21] <xalyy> What I done wrong?
[22:27] <xalyy> Someone? :s
[22:33] <BigRedS> I've never touched proxmox but what do you mean by "default ip address with 8006 port on the browser not does anything"? Your browser fails to connect, shows a blank pagE?
[22:40] <xalyy> Back
[22:40] <xalyy> Yes
[22:40] <xalyy>  mydedicatedserverip:8006
[22:40] <xalyy> Not loads
[22:46] <daftykins> try http://127.0.0.1:8006/
[22:46] <daftykins> if you're running it locally
[22:46] <shauno> part of me doesn't want to make suggestions because I'm pretty sure he's just digging himself a deeper hole
[22:47] <daftykins> *nod*
[22:47] <shauno> but I'm pretty sure centos has a firewall by default
[22:49] <xalyy> Centos?
[22:49] <xalyy> Im not run it locally
[22:49] <xalyy> By the way is hostname can be the problem?
[22:49] <daftykins> more than likely
[22:51] <xalyy> And how do I know what is the hostname of my dedicated?
[22:51] <xalyy> But lol? http://gyazo.com/51af3a645eac1c4ce26e4a8ae960463a.png if I add mydedip:80
[22:51] <xalyy> U see it works
[22:54] <daftykins> right but that's port 80
[22:58] <xalyy> And
[22:58] <xalyy> What can I do
[23:00] <shauno> if you're expecting it to be on port 8006, you want yourip:8006 not yourip:80
[23:01] <xalyy> Yes
[23:01] <xalyy> But if it not works
[23:01] <xalyy> 8006 not works
[23:04] <daftykins> maybe you didn't start the service
[23:48] <ali1234> Azelphur: you know the nvidia basemosiac thing? that only affects people who have two graphics cards right?
[23:49] <ali1234> if i buy one graphics card that supports four monitors, that will work okay?
[23:49] <Azelphur> should do, yea
[23:49] <Azelphur> although I wouldn't put it past nvidia to remove functionality
[23:49] <Azelphur> they've done it before, they are the EA of drivers
[23:49] <ali1234> well, yes, but i'm not buying ati
[23:50] <ali1234> is it worth getting anything more than a 660?
[23:50] <daftykins> 660's are a good price to performance point
[23:50] <daftykins> helped a mate with a new build recently that had one
[23:50] <Azelphur> my 570 seems to still do fine with most things at 1440p
[23:51] <ali1234> well the sensible options look like 660, 760, or 770