[00:00] there is no standard way [00:00] sometimes you can do make uninstall, but that almost never works [00:00] and if you cant do that what do you do? [00:00] cry [00:01] then delete all the stuff by hand [00:01] make install >alogfile, then grep out the filenames and nuke 'em [00:06] ah [00:06] so literally have to go through a logfile and then reverse 1 by 1? [00:06] or i guess if youre good could write a script to do it>? [00:13] actually, it looks like it just puts everything under /usr/local/squidGuard [00:14] and if you tell it to use --prefix=/opt, it still puts most of it in /usr/local/squidGuard. lovely. [00:14] lol [00:14] but in general if compilingand making by source u need to see the log and work out where everything is and manually rm? [00:15] there's not really an 'in general', which is why I called it an awkward question [00:16] so its a paion! [00:16] usually I'd try to make install again and catch the output this time. squidGuard, for example, decides not to give you any output [00:17] ha [00:17] thanks [00:17] if you're a bit more organised, you can use something like 'checkinstall', but that needs to be done before you install, not after [00:17] i see [00:18] so i need to basically just rm -rf ./usr/local/squid [00:18] squidGuard, not squid ;) [00:19] haha yea [00:19] for this one, it seems so. generally that'd be wrong. squidGuard seems to enjoy being wrong [00:19] yea thought so normally it leaves stuff in places eh [00:20] I tend to put stuff like this in /opt/whatever. that way I have it nice and contained when I want to nuke it (or backup, etc) [01:00] hi ahayzen [01:01] map|work, o/ [01:01] quiet in here tonight [01:05] I guess normal people sleep [01:18] nevar! [01:18] SLEEP BEGONE! [01:19] I'm busy trying to work out why my cheapo nas is thrashing the hdd and not letting me do anything [01:19] (wd mybook live) [01:21] ah [01:21] thrashing the hdd?:| doesnt sound good? [01:22] looks like "mediacrawler" is running [01:23] I guess that's an indexing thing for music [01:23] what does the nas run? [01:26] whatever wd decided to put on there [01:27] just wondered so not like you can ssh to it is it just a web interface? [01:27] the web interface isn't responding [01:27] I've backdoored it to allow ssh, hence how I know mediacrawler is running [01:28] but I can't tell you anything about what mediacrawler is because I didn't put it there [01:28] ah [02:01] \o [02:01] sorry been away gaming with friends [02:03] hello [02:03] :D [02:03] just glad it's all working:) [02:03] ^_^ [02:03] well i asay all - no idea how to solve the original thing that led me to mess it all up [02:03] LOL [02:04] hehe, what was that? [02:04] installing squigGuard from source DB_>put cant be something something to do with libdm [02:04] so i removed it as we know [02:04] lol [02:05] \o/ [02:05] this is oddly fascinating; http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2014/02070836-isee-3.html [02:09] wow [02:09] surely they could somehow do it in software from the ISS [02:10] oh ok it's a hardware limitation [02:11] it seems pretty similar to the bands Apollo used [02:12] this is what makes me laugh about sci-fi like Stargate where they can plug into alien technology and talk to it [02:12] usually with Sam Carter carrying a Dell laptop and a network cable [02:13] well well well, the aliens happened to develop CSMA/CD precisely the same way eh? [02:13] then ethernet above it too? my word. [02:13] http://mdkenny.customer.netspace.net.au/ISEE-3.pdf lists the frequencies, they match pretty closely to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_S-band [02:14] which makes sense given 1971. but most the DSN stuff is on 8.4-ish GHz now [02:14] D: [02:14] hopefuly whoever ditched the old gear in '99 feels like a proper prat now lol [02:15] that's really sad :-( [02:16] poor little space ship that could saying "hello, can I play" but being ignored like the kid nobody wants on their football team [02:16] would be funny if some hams hijacked it [02:17] yeah, that's which way the comments are going. which is .. fascinating and terrifying [02:17] reaching it would be a hellish interesting challenge. but without any guidance - what do they send? [02:18] everything, until something happens [02:18] that's the terrifying part. what if 'goodnight' is lower down the list of commands than 'turn around' ? [02:19] i dunno [02:19] will it come around again in another 10 years? or just drift off into space? [02:21] it concerned me the way they said it was catching up with Earth, as though it might just enter the atmosphere and burn up [02:21] it sounds like it'd catch up again, but .. if they put it in this orbit in 88, and it's just come back now; it'd repeat in 2040? [02:21] it kind of implies they had contact in 1999 [02:22] right, but that's DSN .. it doesn't need to be close, that's the same equipment we talk to mars with [02:22] ('deep space network') [02:22] shauno: you're totally a space geek :-D [02:23] i don't get it... is the problem that you can only do two way when it is close by? [02:23] it sounds more like there was just no point in giving it commands any earlier [02:24] I think the idea is they wanted to tell it to slow down to re-enter earth-orbit [02:24] although there was mention of sending it back off to the sun for more science [02:25] the little space ship that could can do science! [02:25] the helicentric bit .. if you start off in an orbit that matches ours. and then distort it so it's a little egg-shaped [02:25] play kerbal and you'll get an idea of how orbits work :-p [02:26] you end up with an orbit that crosses ours at its 'high' point, but overall has a lower period - so it orbits less than 365 days [02:26] so then you get this phasing effect where most the times it pops anywhere near our orbit, we're somewhere else [02:28] heh, yes, exactly .. this is the same method you use to meet a space station in KSP :) [02:29] hmm where can i find some doc about setting up squidGuard from the repos [02:33] /usr/share/doc/squidguard would be a sensible place to check [02:34] especially if there's a readme.debian (unless ubuntu rename those?), that should have bits that are distro-specific [02:35] ah is that where it puts docs? didnt actually know [02:36] yeah; you'll find a *lot* of bedtime reading in /usr/share/doc :) [02:39] I'll admit most my understanding of orbital mechanics is from games :) but my understanding is that the 'rendevous' should re-occur every (year/(our orbital period - its orbital period)) years [03:05] anyone still around? [03:05] yup [03:08] still cant get squidguard to work LOL [03:09] dafty - Setting up squidguard (1.5-1) ... Rebuild SquidGuard database - this can take a while. DB->put: method not permitted before handle's open method ^Cdpk [03:10] that was the error - oops didnt format too well [03:10] no experience with it i'm afraid [03:10] thanks anyway :D [03:10] getting stuck at same part whether i use source/apt [03:11] does look like exactly the same bug again :/ [03:12] so i dont know what to do - when you google it there's not much on it and nothing recent and ubuntu [03:15] 3am and I'm watching robocop. this can't end well :/ [03:16] haha the old one i assume? [03:16] yeah [03:16] I don't think the new one's out on .. err .. err .. blueray yet [03:47] -e [03:47] -f [03:51] 0o [03:51] going crazy with this/..tried from source..got that error..so tried from the repos got that error [03:52] jst looked on packages.ubuntu grabbed the libdm they say there ..installed it and it says it was the same as i had [03:52] arghh [03:56] could be a bug [03:57] map|work: is squidguard still installed? [03:58] http://www.squidguard.org/Doc/known_issues.html [03:58] Fix/Workaround: [03:58] BerkeleyDB up to version 4.6 is known to work properly. [03:58] not atm - yea but i have 5.1 can i install an old version at same time? [04:02] doubt it, try obtaining an old'un [04:02] uninstalling it is what caused his earlier wifi problems .. not sure I'd mess with that too lightly [04:03] uninstalling the BerkeleyDB portion? [04:03] oh was this the libdb malarkey? [04:03] right; they're one in the same [04:04] i officially just turned the page in my head to catch up XD [04:04] though your package of squidguard is 1.5-1 [04:04] heh, I know the feeling, logrotate's already ran :p [04:05] yea [04:05] thats the one from the repos dafty [04:05] http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/squidguard [04:05] maybe their website is just horrifically outdated then? [04:06] you know, another thought occurs [04:06] give up? [04:06] i know nothing about BerkeleyDB, but the error looks to be to do with setting up a db [04:06] heh [04:06] what if you could do it manually? [04:06] if I was really determined, I'd build 4.6 into /opt/somewhere and then build squidguard with ./configure --with-db=/opt/somewhere [04:06] as they say it's obviously tripping up due to a syntax issue between versions [04:06] yea its when it tries to make the blacklist files into the db - no idea how it all mentions squidcard -C all to make the db file [04:07] see i dont get it..squidguards really popul;ar from what ive heard so surely if this issue was commonplace id see more when i google search [04:07] but I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable hand-holding that one. especially at 4am [04:09] map|work: do you have an older setup of it anywhere else with existing db's? [04:09] nope only recently been looking at it [04:10] ah ok [04:10] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=894294 [04:10] bugzilla.redhat.com bug 894294 in squidGuard "squidGuard: database update: BDB1565 DB->put: method not permitted before handle's open method" [High,Closed: currentrelease] [04:10] that seems so relevant, except for all the differences XD [04:10] yea [04:10] exactyly the same one I fuond 5 hours ago :) [04:10] as i say if its a normal error im getting as ive tried from source and repos wouldnt you expect more on the ubuntu forums etc? [04:10] but it is reassuringly recent [04:11] it doesn't appear to be that well maintained, to be honest. there's bugs on launchpad 3 years old and still marked new. [04:11] eg, bug #757474 is still marked new [04:11] bug 757474 in squidguard (Ubuntu) "squidGuard expressionlist not working in 10.04 LTS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/757474 [04:15] random offtopic before I go to bed; slightly disturbing that detroit looks better in robocop than it does in real life [04:15] XD [04:15] perhaps cars still needed to be made back then? [04:20] I always found it strange that michigan has no equivalent of an MOT test. as long as the police don't actually spot significant chunks falling off, and all your lights work, you're good [04:20] seems like a sensible move that'd add a bit more turnover to a market they depend on [04:23] lol thats odd never knew that [04:23] daftykins - io thought squidguard was meant to be really popular though [04:23] i know of squid, not familiar with that'un [04:24] shauno: we don't have an MOT down here [04:24] you get pulled over for anything not meeting the highway code and ordered to report to the police station to show their guy you fixed it [04:29] so you need to know what meets highway6 code yourself ideally [04:29] guess it should be obvious? [04:39] hm found 4.6 source [04:46] http://phk.freebsd.dk/_downloads/FOSDEM_2014.pdf === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [05:48] hoorah home [05:48] whats that diddledan__ [05:59] morning mapps [05:59] morning MartijnVdS [05:59] up early for a weekend mate [06:03] 7am, an hour later than weekdays :) [06:07] :) [06:10] O_O [06:13] freenas + zfs or custom-jobby + btrfs? [06:13] u guys not slept?:D [06:14] mapps: neither have you :-p [06:14] i work nights! [06:14] been to work and home now:P [06:14] aah [06:15] diddledan__: I'd go for the custom one, just because apt > "cd /usr/local/ports/whatever; make install" [06:15] woop: http://www.openmediavault.org/ [06:15] yeah I'm thinking custom jobby too [06:16] you'll even get a nice front-end :) [06:16] though btrfs is still "roadmap" [06:17] erm what the [06:17] i didnt get an error doing squidGuard -C all ?! [06:18] squid is scary. [06:59] nice.. https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/amd64/automatic-install.html (note the URL) claims it's about 11.10 [07:04] sleepless night :( [07:06] does anyone here have experience with preseeding an Ubuntu installation? [07:13] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26033685 [07:13] in other news, people are shocked that xfactor might not be genuine [07:14] EA are the suck [07:15] they are :( [07:42] <3 pipelight [07:49] mornin everyone [07:53] morning knightwise === JamesTait is now known as Guest79424 [09:37] good morning boys and girls. [09:47] aloha [09:47] morning czajkowski [09:48] ello === gone is now known as Guest25739 === Guest25739 is now known as Gone_Protoss [10:55] Hello [11:50] anyone here running Trusty ? [12:01] czajkowski: yup [12:01] czajkowski: it went a bit funny yesterday with a US keyboard layout, but is fairly happy today [12:07] Afternoon all. I customize the touch pad of my MBP running Trusty Tahir with `synclient TapButton3=2 HorizTwoFingerScroll=1 PalmDetect=1`. However if I've run this the laptop will spontaneously resume from suspend, a few seconds after I've closed the lid. [12:09] I suspect the laptop screen is causing a touch event, probably a 4-finger touch event, because the unity menu is open once I unlock the session following a spotaneous resume. [12:11] moreati: I guess it might be possible to change that config back in a hook before the rsuspend [12:11] I'd like to investigate the code that (I assume) that controls the touchpad during suspend, to see if my script has interfered somehow. Anyone know roughly where that code lives? [12:12] e.g. is it in upstart? unity? X? libsomething? [12:13] penguin42: that's ... a damn good idea. [12:13] moreati: I'd have thought it would be in /etc/pm - that's where the hooks go for any specials [12:14] moreati: Or /usr/lib/pm-utils [12:15] penguin42: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnderstandingSuspend looks like a good primer so far [12:15] moreati: Cool - although watch out, it changes quite often :-) [12:16] ‏‎oh yes UnderstandingSuspend (last edited 2011-06-22 [12:23] AlanBell: if you click about ubuntu what version do you see [12:23] AlanBell: if I click about I see 13.10 and the same for the splash [12:23] but I am pretty sure I'm running trusty as when I do the updates it's pulling in from trusty archive [12:24] czajkowski: yeah, 13.10, they don't update that until quite late in the cycle [12:24] czajkowski: cat /etc/lsb-release [12:24] that should show 14.10 [12:26] * AlanBell is off to London to see the Queen musical later [12:28] "One is the champion, one's friend. One will keep fighting to the end" The Queen musical [12:29] heh, yes! === BigRedS is now known as BigRedS__ [12:51] AlanBell: yup tis, thanks [13:56] anyone around? my permissions reading is getting rusty... what does -rw-rw-r-- mean again? [14:06] jussi, owner may read and write, group-owner may read and write, everyone else may only read [14:06] BigRedS: thanks [14:07] whoa.. NL on 1, 2, 3 @ speed skating [14:21] BigRedS: and this one drwxrwxr-x ? [14:27] that's a directory; user and owner may enter (r), list (x) and create files in, everyone else ownly enter and list [14:28] jussi, (the d at the beginning marks it as a directory) [14:35] woo, I have a GPS NTP working :) [14:35] now all I need to do is fine-tune it [14:37] whoop! [14:37] We got that at work, took some time to get the GPS thingy into a position whereby it could both talk to our NTP server *and* the sattelites [14:38] yes, that *is* the hard part :) [15:03] AlanBell: ah you're right my keyboard is USA layout [15:03] """" [15:03] @@@ [15:03] how can i use apt-get but tell it to skip/ignore a related/dependent package? [15:05] mapps: you can't install a package if its dependencies aren't satisfied [15:05] argh [15:05] you can install it if its *recommendations* aren't satisfied [15:05] apt-get --no-install-recommends install foo [15:06] this is so irritating squiguard in the repos installs squid3 too - it needs squid or squid3 ..but i have squid instaled but for some reason it doesnt see it and installs squid [15:06] mapps: apt-cache show squid -> [15:06] Description-en: dummy transitional package from squid to squid3 [15:06] when i compiled from source i couldnt get the blacklists to convert to db ..then when i used repos it worked..but now i had squid and squid3 [15:06] what does that mean for my existing squid setup? [15:07] mapps: backup the config, remove any squid packages and self-compiled binaries, apt-get install squid3 [15:07] put back config [15:07] hm [15:07] hm [15:08] think thats best? [15:09] why not? at least you'll only have one squid installed [15:10] ok [15:10] copied squd_passwd/squid.conf and blacklists to a tmp dir [15:10] now rm -rf /usr/local/squid ? never sure how to remove when compiled from source as i was saying yesterday [15:11] bigcalm: Just for info, I queried that Lenovo laptop because the specs were conflicting, had a reply from somebody who'd bought one "I recieved this laptop yesterday. Not as decribed, has a i7 4702mq processor, no backlit keyboard and 1366 x 788 screen. Called amazon who assured me they will exchange for correct laptop as described. I'm very doubtful, but live in hope. Will let you know the outcome." So not 1920*1080 and a slower processor [15:14] DJones, I'm not sure that was aimed at me [15:14] Wait, it wasn't [15:14] eurgh [15:14] Oh right, I've somehow coloured differen't people's entire messages differently [15:15] ;] [15:22] oh yes, foursquare on my pebble, :) [15:23] =] [15:30] * foobarry tried making a diorama today. who wants to see? [15:32] hmm what to do now [15:32] whats that foobarry [15:32] made a little airfield scene.. [15:33] arghhhhhhhhhhhhh [15:33] Setting up squidguard (1.5-1) ... [15:33] Move log file directory to new directory /var/log/squidguard. [15:33] chown: missing operand after ‘proxy:proxy’ [15:33] Try 'chown --help' for more information. [15:33] dpkg: error processing squidguard (--configure): [15:33] another problem now:/ dunno what its doing [15:34] http://i.imgur.com/JrGCaPn.jpg [15:38] moo [15:39] baa [15:40] nice diorama foobarry [15:40] i like those [15:40] which is one reason why i like going to places where they have big train sets out [15:41] thanks popey [15:41] didn't take very long. painted. white glue, then scatter grass/ [15:42] quite easy to do with the kids, except i'm alone today :P [15:43] whats squidguard trying to do?!'/ [15:53] mapps, have a look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/squidguard.postinst and see what's in the configure section [15:54] specifically, it's trying to chown something and invoking chown wrong [15:54] ah [15:54] thanks [15:54] so probably using a variable that's not been initialised [15:54] you can just hash out the chown, do it manually and then do apt-get -f install [15:54] if you trust that you've correctly guessed what it wanted to do [15:55] I fix too many of my problems by editing postinst scripts :) [15:56]

mapps: spearhead There's a bug in the update-squidguard post-install script; fixed in Debian/Trusty [16:00] ah, handy [16:09] cant see anythng on it tho? [16:09] hm [16:16] hmm cant seem to get my keyboard to revert to UK from USA in trusty [16:16] slightly baffling [16:18] what do people use to import photos? shotwell never remebmers the ones i've already imprted [16:18] rsync [16:18] so if i have a zillion pics on the card, it takes forever to scan [16:18] hmm [16:18] which command do u use? [16:19] might not be as featureful as you're used to, but I just periodically do rsync -avz /media//dcim ~/pictures/from-phone [16:20] ah ok [16:21] doesn't really work out for camera [16:23] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1277900 [16:23] Launchpad bug 1277900 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "Shortcuts to settings panels no longer open panels" [Undecided,New] [16:23] anyone get that on trusty [16:23] ? [16:26] popey: yup [16:29] can you confirm pls? [16:30] popey: done already [16:30] popey: AlanBell said there was an issue yesterday with the the fact the keyboard goes into a US layout [16:30] nm restarted [16:30] I dont see that here [16:30] all working fine [16:37] also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1277905 if anyone has miencraft or titan attacks on 14.04 [16:37] Launchpad bug 1277905 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Game windows (minecraft, titan attacks, maybe others) on Intel are transparent and no longer playable" [Undecided,New] [16:38] hmm no games installed to test sorry [16:40] np [17:19] BigRedS: yeah, that should have been bigcalm [17:24] hm [17:24] wonder how long itll take till i can make my hair into a ponytail [17:24] trouble is it just looks messy as it grows for now [17:25] also, if you have any kind of baldness, it'll look *wrong* [17:25] DJones I think it was [17:25] i dont /dont have a receeding hairline either [17:25] just my hair goes curly [17:25] i coukd stragghten it [17:25] :D [17:34] i'm having an annoying bootup problem, when lightdm should be starting, i'm getting a blank screen with blinking ;cursor :( [17:36] NET||abuse: Check /var/lo/lightdm to see why [17:37] hitting th epower button switches off the machine after barely a couple lines of output, i get to grub and i can go to recovery with networking if i try [17:38] but blank screen blinking cursor on normal boot, also I can't ctrl+alt+f1-6 to a tty [17:39] can you boot into recovery mode? [17:39] uyes [17:39] so far not with a gui, just command line [17:40] but you can use that command line to see what the lightdm log says? [17:40] oh yes, absolutely. [17:40] just waiting for recovery networking tostartup [17:41] takes a while for that bit. [17:41] oh cool [17:50] looks like it started X server, last message it says is registering seat with bus path /org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Seat0 [17:50] then, it's writitng to x-0.log so have to check that i guess [17:51] so lightdm/x-0.log says (EE) Fatal server error: no screens found [17:52] before that says vesa: Ignoring device with bound kernel driver [18:00] Xorg.0.log says glx will be loaded by default, (WW) xmir is not to be loaded... then loads of loading of glx and besa [18:00] vesa: Ignoring device with a bound kernel driver [18:00] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa [18:01] (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section. [18:01] Unload module: "vesa" [18:01] (EE) Device(s)detected, but none matched those in the config file. [18:02] (EE) failed to laod module "nvidia" (module does no exist, 0) [18:02] NET||abuse: Hang on, use a pastebin to give the whole of the Xorg.0.log [18:04] urgh,, how when i'm on a recovery console? [18:04] .. i guess i could post the file up to something. [18:05] NET||abuse: Try installing the pastebinit program [18:07] cool app.. just reading the man file. [18:09] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6898562/ [18:10] emm, lightdm log is ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/6898568 [18:11] NET||abuse: Right [18:12] NET||abuse: So lightdm is going Waaah! Where did X go [18:12] NET||abuse: Now, X - hmm it's loaded the Nouveau driver but for some reason you seem to be missing /dev/fb0 - which is a shame! [18:12] hehe [18:13] "a shame" that's one way to put it [18:14] maybe both nvidia and nouveau are loaded/trying to load? [18:14] i'll purge them all and just load a basic driver? Do i need at least one to even have the failsafe load? [18:15] do you have a misconfigured /etc/X11/xorg.conf too? [18:16] so wipe out all nvidia* packages? Also kill the Xorg.conf ( can i just delete it and let xserver-xorg dpkg-reconfigure ) [18:16] NET||abuse: you don't need a xorg.conf [18:16] NET||abuse: unless you're a *very* special case ;) [18:16] ahah, ok will kill it. [18:17] move it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old [18:17] yeh, did that. [18:37] daftykins: rm2 () { mv "$1" "$1".`date +%s` } [18:40] MartijnVdS: I can make a more cryptic version of that: rm2() { mv "$1{,`date +%s`}" } [18:41] :-p [18:41] I like cryptic [18:41] woo :) [18:41] ooh, forgot the "." [18:41] put a . after the , [18:43] I like replacing builtins with fancy stuff too - so instead of calling it rm2, call it rm :-p [18:43]