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cubed_rootwhat's xubuntu's equivalent of lightdm / gdm / kdm (i'm taking notes on how to restart a frozen gui)00:13
bluesabrecubed_root: lightdm-gtk-greeter00:14
cubed_rootthanks bluesabre00:15
bluesabreanytime :)00:16
xubuntu878Guys, I need help.  xrdp in xubuntu, getting a grey screen.  I think I need to make a .xsession file and do permissions things, but in there I'm reading that I have to put gnome-session something something, is that going to be different for xubuntu?00:19
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karen__i bought minecraft and do not know commands to install00:34
karen__helo00:35
karen__#xubnuntu-off topic00:36
Unit193Does it have a README or INSTALL file?00:36
karen__no minecraft.jar00:36
Unit193java -jar minecraft.jar00:36
karen__yes00:37
karen__unit193_; hello00:39
Unit193Yes?00:39
karen__i just want to see if your there00:40
karen__unit193_, you know commands00:41
Unit193What?00:41
karen__for exicutable bit00:42
karen__unit193_,00:42
knomekaren__, patience please00:43
karen__ok i just wonder if hes there00:43
Unit193You haven't asked anything other than the first question (which was answered, afaik), you just keep pinging me and asking if I'm here.00:44
knomekaren__, chmod +x filename00:44
karen__what00:45
knomekaren__, you asked for the command to set the executable bit00:45
karen__oh ok00:45
Unit193Right click -> Properties too.00:46
karen__knome_, command dose not work my os in xubuntu 11.1000:49
karen__i have older system00:50
knomekaren__, first, yes it does set the executable bit even in 11.10; second, 11.10 isn't supported any more.00:50
knomekaren__, please update to 12.04 or you are "on your won"00:50
knome*own00:50
karen__knome_, i cant not my pc00:55
knomekaren__, then advice the owner of the pc to upgrade00:55
karen__ok00:56
karen__c u in bit00:56
knome12.04 has one more year support left, and it's an LTS (long-term support) release contrary to 11.10, so it's generally more stable anyway00:56
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Belial`anyone here using an app launcher similar to kupfer or synapse? synapse doesn't display correcty anymore and kupfer keeps crashing on me.01:19
GalatasarayLast updated video card drivers are gone01:21
map|workanyone able to lend a hand..struggling with squidguard - tried from source and tried from the repos keep getting stuck at the same point03:17
map|work   DB->put: method not permitted before handle's open method03:17
map|workwhen trying to build the dbs03:17
holsteinwhat repo is getting stuck?03:19
holsteinmap|work: a PPA?03:19
map|worknot afaik03:20
map|workhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/i386/squidguard/downloaddeb http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy main universe03:21
map|workso i dont think its a PPA??03:21
kahow do i mark a file as an executable bit04:04
kawhat command04:04
kachanserv, hello04:05
kaknome_, hello04:08
kaidleOne_, hello04:09
kahello04:09
Unit193!patience04:16
Unit193ka: It's not nice to randomly ping people, please don't do it.04:16
ubottuDon't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com/ or http://ubuntuforums.org/ or http://askubuntu.com/04:16
Unit193You were also told this.04:16
holsteinka: what file? i typically find that by right-clicking i can set that.. or, use the commands in the terminal04:29
holsteinhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/229589/make-sh-file-as-application-x-executable-file explains it pretty well04:30
kaminecraft.jar04:33
holsteinka: thats now how you do it..04:34
kai tried diffrent commands04:35
holsteinhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/101746/how-can-i-execute-a-jar-file-from-the-terminal04:35
holsteinjava -jar Minecraft.jar04:35
holsteinka: if you have "tried" something that has broken your system, or java. or the jar, you'll want to address that04:35
kapaste.ubuntu.com/684980/04:36
kaits me zack on a diffrent pc04:37
kaholstein_, can u halp me04:38
kahelp04:38
holsteinka: i am.. please exercise patience.. and use the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for chat04:39
holstein!volunteers | ka04:39
ubottuka: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines04:39
holsteini am reviewing the pastebin you gave, ka04:39
holsteinka: but, its not avialable.. i think you made an error in pasting ... please check and paste again.. thanks04:40
kaim just asking if you can help or not04:40
holsteinka: can you please post your pastebin? the link you gave is broken04:40
peyamwill xubuntu 14.04 have a default SSD TRIM support?04:40
kahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6894980/04:41
peyamka, well do you have the jar file there?04:41
holsteinpeyam: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/12/trim-ssd-support-enabled-ubuntu-14-04 or #ubuntu+104:41
kayes04:41
kawhen is 14.04 coming out04:42
Belial`april04:42
holstein!14.0404:42
ubottuUbuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) will be the 20th release of Ubuntu.  See the announcement at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295 for more info. support in #ubuntu+104:42
kacool04:42
holsteinthe ".04" is "april".. the 14 is 201404:42
kaoh right04:42
peyamholstein, very good04:43
holsteinka: "java -jar /home/karen/downloads/Minecraft.jar"04:43
peyamjava -jar Minecraft.jar04:43
peyamyes sorry04:43
peyamyou should have java installed ofcourse.04:44
peyamopenjdk-7-jre04:44
peyamor 604:44
holsteinthe link i gave states how to deal with that, if you dont have java installed04:44
kahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6895015/04:44
kaand no i have java runtime 604:44
peyamyou have two jars04:45
holsteinka: what you typed is not what i typed04:45
peyamjust jar04:45
peyamjava -jar /home/karen/Downloads/Minecraft.jar04:45
holsteinka: you look at what i typed in *direct* reference to what you typed, and linked in pastebin, and you'll see what the issue it04:45
holsteinis*04:45
kaoh i already did that and did not work04:45
holsteinka: no you didnt04:45
peyamka, you wrote downloads instead of Downloads04:45
peyamand it should be .jar only not .jar.jar04:46
kayes i did im also talking with #ubuntu04:46
holsteinka: "java -jar /home/karen/Downloads/Minecraft.jar"04:46
kai alredy did that04:47
holsteinka: no you didnt04:47
holsteinka: do *exactly* the above, and share the error messages, please04:47
peyamka, you spelled wrong. just copy what holstein is writing04:47
kaone sec i show previous stuff04:47
holsteinka: show the current stuff.. run that command /home/karen/downloads/Minecraft.jar04:47
holsteinthats the path ^04:47
holsteinsorry..04:47
kahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6895030/04:48
holstein"java -jar /home/karen/Downloads/Minecraft.jar"04:48
holstein ^^04:48
holsteinka: the download is typically capital04:48
kaok04:48
holsteinka: you can cd into the directory, or use tab complete, or drag it over from the filemanager04:48
holsteinka: you'll need to point *precisely* to the file04:49
peyamka, what is wrong with u. i told you twice and holstein many times. it's Downloads. not downloads. use ur tab key for autocompletation04:49
kait workes now thx04:51
xubuntu927I am a new xubuntu user and I am trying to access the internet via firefox.05:22
xubuntu927How do I do it?05:22
holsteinxubuntu927: are you connected to the internet?05:23
holsteinvia network cable or wifi?05:23
xubuntu927I have xubuntu-12.10 and the motherboard is connected to my router with a wire.05:23
xubuntu927cable05:23
xubuntu927I am running the operating system off of a usb05:24
holsteinxubuntu927: you'll connect the router to the machines nework interface05:24
xubuntu927the cable is connected to the motherboard's RJ-45 Lan Por05:25
holsteinxubuntu927: then, assuming the network interface supports linux, and that its sending networking connectivity and giving an IP, you'll be able to browse the internet05:26
xubuntu927This is a GA-970A-D3P motherboard. I have other machines connected to this router and all others are accessing the internet without a problem - both wirelessly and via cable. I have never used Xubuntu before. Might you be able to provide more precise instructions? For example, how would I know whether the network interface supports linux?05:28
holsteinxubuntu927: well, ideally the company would let you konw, likke they did with the windows support.. but, are you able to browse with firefox? what happens?05:29
xubuntu927I get a server not found error upon opening firefox. I will point out, this is the first machine I've ever constructed myself.05:32
xubuntu927I should say... assembled myself.05:32
holsteinxubuntu927: has it ever worked with anything?05:33
xubuntu927I've never connected to the internet before with this machine. It's brand new. The equipment arrived two days ago. I completed assembly earlier today, the boot to operating system two hours ago. Now I can't access the internet.05:34
holsteinthen, you aver troubleshooting a few things at once05:35
holsteinare*05:35
holsteini would open a terminal and run "ifconfig"05:35
xubuntu927I will do that. Is there something I should look for in the ifconfig?05:36
holstein!paste | xubuntu927 if you dont konw what you are looking at05:36
ubottuxubuntu927 if you dont konw what you are looking at: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.05:36
xubuntu927hmm.... I don't see how I can paste between these two machines. As I type this message, I am on a dell xps running windows xp. My monitor, keyboard and mouse are setup on a KVM switch to the new machine running Xubuntu.05:38
xubuntu927I can toggle between the two machines, but I don't see how I can copy/paste between them.05:39
holsteinxubuntu927: you can do what you like to convey the information to a volunteer here05:39
holsteintake a picture. .explain what you are seeing.. etc05:39
xubuntu927A photo: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/l2qu7mQnKUKy9Cak1e9rneGnhHo0s5jL895CZbFMQ0U?feat=directlink05:41
holsteineth0 should be that device.. its not getting an IP05:42
holsteini dont know your network.. and there are many variables here05:43
holsteinis the device working? is it installed properly? does it work with a supported operating system05:43
holsteinsee.. the issue is, you could mess about forever with this, and if the card is installed incorrectly, or broken.. it'll never work.. for my time, i would try a few live CD's before installing at best05:43
holsteini would try and see that the bios sees the device. and, i would even try and use it with a supported operating system if possible..05:44
holsteinlinux typically supports all wired network cards well, so, it could be something on the router settings, or the cable.. or, the device doesnt support linux05:44
holsteinyou can run "lspci" there, and see the device list05:45
xubuntu927when you say device,  you mean the motherboard?05:45
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holsteinxubuntu927: *any* device really05:45
Guest79254can you guys give me some basic commands05:45
holsteinGuest79254: ask, and a volunteer can try and help you05:45
Guest79254i just want to know some commands05:46
Guest79254and its karen from earlyer05:46
holsteinGuest79254: sure.. just ask, and a volunteer can help05:46
Guest79254like who05:46
cfhowlett!manual|Guest79254,05:46
ubottuGuest79254,: The Ubuntu Manual will help you become familiar with everyday tasks such as surfing the web, listening to music and scanning documents. With an emphasis on easy to follow instructions, it is suitable for all levels of experience. http://ubuntu-manual.org/05:46
holsteinGuest79254: you just ask, and any volunteer who can and has time will help05:47
Guest79254i know how to do all of that i just want to know some sudo commands or some other commands05:48
holsteinGuest79254: sudo *is* a command05:48
holsteinGuest79254: commands can perform tasks? what task are you trying to do?05:49
Guest79254i know but i mean some more actions like sudo apt-get install05:49
xubuntu927Here is the lspci command: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/LDm6QHV9_uSem424GwLWB-GnhHo0s5jL895CZbFMQ0U?feat=directlink05:49
holsteinGuest79254: http://ss64.com/bash/05:49
holsteinGuest79254: what actions? you have to say "im trying to do such and such" and i'll suggest a command05:50
Guest79254nothing just cirious what i can do05:50
holsteinGuest79254: use the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for chat.. thanks!05:50
Guest79254i have xubuntu not linux05:50
xubuntu927Are there any steps that I can take to setup or configure my internet connection as a first time user of xubuntu?05:51
holsteinGuest79254: xubuntu *is* linux05:51
Guest79254i think what im askig i s a topic of discussion for this channal05:51
Guest79254and i know that xubuntu is related to linux but are diffrent os05:52
holsteinGuest79254: linux is a kernel.. not an operating system.. xubuntu uses the linux kernel05:52
holsteinGuest79254: xubuntu *is* linux.. as i said above.. not as you stated above05:53
holsteinxubuntu is not "related to linux".. it *is* linux... and uses the linux kernel just as all linux distros do05:53
Guest79254really i have a comp that has *only* linux on it as an os05:53
holsteinGuest79254: again, linux is *not* an os.. but, yes, xubuntu is a linux distro05:54
xubuntu927Is it possible to access the internet while booting xubuntu from my usb, thumb drive?05:54
cfhowlettGuest79254, linux is NOT an OS05:54
cfhowlettxubuntu927, yes, if your wifi card is supported.  boot and see05:54
holsteinxubuntu927: nothing about xubuntu is preventing that05:54
Guest79254i used a linux live cd to axses files on a windows os. but yes it is a os05:55
holsteinGuest79254: its not05:55
holsteinGuest79254: linux is the kernel, as i stated, and cfhowlett stated.. its not an os.. its a kernel.. linux is the kernel that xubuntu uses05:56
xubuntu927I am trying to. I am in the ubuntu user's manual but it's quite different from xubuntu.05:56
xubuntu927Perhaps I should just try ubuntu...05:57
holsteinxubuntu927: its actucally not all that different.. and the driver support will be the same, and i think that might be where you are hung up05:57
Guest79254http://www.linux.org/threads/what-is-linux.4076/ proof05:57
xubuntu927ok... how might I correct the driver support hangup?05:57
holsteinGuest79254: its the kernel, friend..05:57
cfhowlettGuest79254, theological debates aside, do you have a support question?05:58
holsteinxubuntu927: ideally the vendor would provide you a driver.. but, we are assuming thats the issue.. could be anything with your build05:58
Guest79254it evolved from a kernel05:58
Guest79254i have a question05:58
holsteinGuest79254: please use the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for chat05:58
Guest79254im not chating i have a question05:59
cfhowlett!details|Guest79254,05:59
ubottuGuest79254,: Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..."05:59
holstein"Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system." from https://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html06:00
Guest79254i want to know more commands06:00
holsteini say that not to be combative, or put it up for debate, just to be clear..06:00
cfhowlett!bash|Guest79254,06:00
ubottuGuest79254,: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal06:00
holsteinGuest79254: commands to do what? have you looked at the list i gave before?06:00
Guest79254any commands non spasific06:01
Guest79254is there a hacking channal06:02
cfhowlettGuest79254, not here.06:02
holsteinGuest79254: http://ss64.com/bash/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal06:02
Guest79254where06:02
cfhowlett!terminal06:02
ubottuThe linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal06:02
Guest79254no is there a wite hat hacking channal06:03
holsteinGuest79254: this is not a "where are the channels" channel.. please use #xubuntu-offtopic06:03
holsteinhttp://elucidatedbinary.com/blog/2011/01/11/how-to-search-for-an-irc-channel-on-freenode/06:03
Guest79254ok just wondering06:03
Guest79254#xubuntu-offtopic06:04
zack_sup07:15
zack_holstein. sup07:16
zack_##freegeek07:16
zack_#xubuntu-offtopic07:16
cubed_rootwill backing up the panel files as described here http://alturl.com/p4355 allow me to delete a panel i might want to return to later?07:33
cubed_root!images07:35
cubed_root!image07:35
Maazhow do you hack with xubuntu?07:36
cubed_rootwhat are you looking to do?07:36
Maazhack the government07:37
Maazblock their computer07:37
Maazs07:37
cubed_rootyou're nuts07:37
Maazi know07:37
Maazthat's why they giving me medicine07:37
cubed_rootand the nsa is probably listening to this conversation07:38
Maazbut i don't take it07:38
Maazno worries07:38
cfhowlettMaaz, wrong channel - ask elsewhere07:38
cfhowlett!ot07:38
ubottu#xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!07:38
Maazokey i'll do my best07:38
Maazbut if the nsa is listening07:39
Maazthat makes me important07:39
Maazor aren't i important to them07:40
cfhowlettMaaz, wrong channel - take it someplace else.  this channel is for xubuntu support07:41
Maazoke07:41
Maazi need support07:41
Maazi want to install hack programs on xubuntu07:41
cfhowlettMaaz, last chance - you were already told that's not going to happen here.07:42
cfhowlett!hacking07:42
ubottuA hacker is a person who delights in having an intimate understanding of the internal workings of a system, computers and computer networks in particular, as defined by Request for Comments (RFC) 1392 - i.e. a good programmer  -- crackers on the other hand break systems, see also !piracy07:42
xubuntu599fala anões07:43
xubuntu599hi bris07:43
xubuntu599brod07:43
elfycubed_root: I've backed up and put back panels like that in the past07:45
cubed_rootwill backing up the panel files as described here http://alturl.com/p4355 allow me to delete a panel i might want to return to later?08:16
elfycubed_root: as I said a short while ago - I've backed up and put back panels like that in the past08:20
cubed_rootsorry - i hadn't seen your comment, thanks08:21
elfy:)08:21
cubed_rootso those 2 files should be sufficient?08:21
elfyworked for me :)08:21
cubed_rootcool! thanks : )08:21
elfythough - if you've got a launcher that relies on something being installed - it will be empty until it's reinstalled08:22
cubed_rootlauncher - a gui widget/icon that launches an app? i just want to make sure i understand08:23
elfyyep08:23
cubed_rootcool thanks08:23
elfyI use libreoffice - I have a launcher for bits of it - if I copy panel config before I've installed libreoffice - the launcher is there, but useless08:24
cubed_rootah - ok08:25
Maaz!hacking09:15
ubottuA hacker is a person who delights in having an intimate understanding of the internal workings of a system, computers and computer networks in particular, as defined by Request for Comments (RFC) 1392 - i.e. a good programmer  -- crackers on the other hand break systems, see also !piracy09:15
Maaz!cracking09:16
ubottupiracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music, and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o09:16
Maazhey09:17
Maazi want to install linux on my computer but i've xubuntu how can i install it?09:18
bekksInsert the CD, boot it, follow the on screen instructions.09:18
Maazthanks09:18
sohail-ahmedI just have connected my old 3 in1 desk jet printer to my xubuntu machine, how can I make sure that my computer install the necessary drivers/09:20
sohail-ahmedthe printer is from hp09:21
well_laid_lawn!msg ubottu find hp09:31
ubottuwell_laid_lawn: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)09:31
well_laid_lawnsohail-ahmed:  try in a terminal   apt-cache search hp09:32
well_laid_lawnthere should be a package for hp printers iirc09:32
sohail-ahmed !msg ubottu find hp09:35
ubottusohail-ahmed: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)09:35
sohail-ahmedI have tried apt-cache search hp and my terminal gets full with a lisst09:36
bekks!printing09:38
ubottuPrinting in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingWithUbuntu09:38
bekkssohail-ahmed: Please follow the links given to get your specific printer working.09:39
williamtellThere is a sound problem in Toshiba notebook Satellite L3009:39
williamtellI recently installed xubuntu in my latopy09:40
williamtellThat means i'm freshman in ubuntu, pl help me!09:41
sohail-ahmedthanks every body its working now.09:42
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xubuntu809I am seeking some assistance with configuring xubuntu. I am successfully loading it onto a machine via a 64 gig usb thumb drive, but I am unable to access the internet with my Lan cable.12:49
xubuntu809I can pay a litecoin or bitcoin fee to anyone who is successfully able to get me connected.12:50
xubuntu809The green LED of the Lan port comes on, but Xubuntu does not recognize the connection.12:53
xubuntu809It reads, "Wired Network: Disconnected"12:53
xubuntu809Is no one able to help?12:55
bekksxubuntu809: Check dmesg12:56
xubuntu809Is dmesg a command for terminal?12:58
xubuntu809I am reading about dmesg. Is there an attribute that allows for the checking of lan connection specifically?13:01
bekksType "dmesg" in a terminal.13:02
bekksPull the cable, type it again. Plug it back in, type it again.13:02
xubuntu809okay, dmesg has been typed in the pre/post cable plugin routine as directed. As you'd expect, there's a boatload of on screen output.13:05
xubuntu809Is there some output I should assess?13:05
sohail-ahmedI  have xubuntu installed on a pc where my shift keys are broken. Therefore I want to use my right-control key for a shift key. What should I do to make this happen13:12
xubuntu809bekks, any other direction?13:18
koegssohail-ahmed: xmodmap is the keyword :)13:20
sohail-ahmedkoegs; After going though the info xmodmap quickly, I have tried xmodmap -e “Shift_L=Control_R” but it says 1 error encountered.13:29
sohail-ahmedkoegs:I have also tried; xmodmap -e "keysym Shift_L = Control_L"13:35
xubuntu809Is anyone else interested and able to help me?13:46
moultonr_I want to search for files in thunar.  Is using catfish still the preferred method, or is there a better way?13:48
sohail-ahmed@moultonr_;  I am no expert but i use13:51
sohail-ahmedlocate filename13:51
sohail-ahmedto find files13:52
moultonr_sohail-ahmed, I don't know what I'm looking for though.  I'm trying to find where Thunderbird sticks it's icons13:52
sohail-ahmeddo locate thundarbird13:55
sohail-ahmed**thunderbird13:56
Maaz!hacking14:00
ubottuA hacker is a person who delights in having an intimate understanding of the internal workings of a system, computers and computer networks in particular, as defined by Request for Comments (RFC) 1392 - i.e. a good programmer  -- crackers on the other hand break systems, see also !piracy14:00
Maaz!hack14:00
moultonr_sohail-ahmed, all I see is the regular Thunderbird icon.14:10
koegssohail-ahmed: you need to clear Control_R first14:13
sohail-ahmedthanks koegs for responding. So what I understood is that I need to first clear control-r and shift-r  and then do the mappings. The dashes represents underscores.14:16
sohail-ahmedmoultonar;  i am not sure what exactly you are looking for but a quick search for thunderbird icons i found this folder /usr/share/icons/HighContrast/scalable/apps-extra/thunderbird-icon.svg14:20
moultonr_sohail-ahmed, I'm looking for a nice version of the trash can icon for a blog post I'm working on.  I've ended up using xmag to take a shot of my trash can, and I'm making a nice one in GIMP based on that14:24
sohail-ahmedmoultar; http://www.softicons.com/free-icons/folder-icons/folder-icon-set-by-deleket/mozilla-thunderbird-icon14:28
xubuntu066I have tried booting to xubuntu from usb stick, but I can't get the internet to work. I am now trying ubuntu from usb stick, and any window I open fails to render graphics correctly. the video output looks jumbled. Can anyone help with this?15:09
moultonr_sohail-ahmed, http://fossfolks.com/how-to/when-you-can-not-empty-trash-in-thunderbird-with-imap-folders/  I ended up just making one...15:54
sohail-ahmedgreat15:59
gemmaxubuntuhello everybody, i just installed xubuntu in my old overclocked pIV and everything looks fine, everything seems to work, i choosed to install propietary drivers on install and to download updates. I have a nvidia graphics card, and the nvidia driver installed by default. Nevertheless, in the MENU, SYSTEM, i have 2 instances of NVIDIA X Server Settings, is that normal?16:55
gemmaxubuntui took a look to the software center and searched for NVIDIA, the driver is installed is the version 96 (for old nvidia graphics) is that the driver i should use? is normal to have to instances of NVIDIA X Server Settings in my menu? Im running a GeForce4 MX 440 AGP8x16:57
gemmaxubuntushould i unninstall that driver (version 96) and install the "actual" or the version 173?? thank you in advance16:59
ijotlineswhats up peoples.17:12
ijotlineso wow, this is logged? not cool. peace.17:12
knomegemmaxubuntu, newer version is in most cases better, but might not even work with all cards.17:13
knomegemmaxubuntu, as long as everything works for you, and you don't feel any slowness, i guess you are fine running what you are17:14
gemmaxubuntuim just concerned about having 2 instances of NVIDIA X Server Settings in my menu, and, if posible, may i try newer driver to see what happend or will my installation crash if not supported and then i have to reinstall xubuntu?17:15
gemmaxubuntuim just a bit slow in flash videos and games, of course not posible to watch HD flash enbeded17:16
knomethe newer driver might break something, but it's highly unlikely you will have to reinstall. you might need to login from a text console to revert though17:16
gemmaxubuntuso may i just uninstall the driver, reboot, and try to install the new nvidia driver from the xubuntu software center?17:16
sohail-ahmedas for help see;17:16
knomehave you installed some driver from outside the repositories? that might be one of the reasons you're seeing the item twice17:16
sohail-ahmedhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=208164917:17
knomegemmaxubuntu, which xubuntu version are you running?17:17
gemmaxubuntuno, is default installation connected to internet and checking download updates and use third party software17:17
knomegemmaxubuntu, also re: slowness on videos, how much ram do you have?17:17
gemmaxubuntults full updated17:17
gemmaxubuntu12.0417:17
knomegemmaxubuntu, run jockey (should be in the menu as "additional drivers"17:18
gemmaxubuntui have 2gb ram, piv 2.4 overclocked 2.88 so i can use the 400 mem bus17:18
knomegemmaxubuntu, that should help you with the driver selection/installation17:18
gemmaxubuntui runned additional drivers right after install, it shows i only need the nvidia driver wich is installed and active, i have the option to delete it from here, should i start there?17:21
gemmaxubuntuor should i unninstall from the software center better?17:21
gemmaxubuntuin jockey, it says this is the recommended driver17:22
gemmaxubuntu:(17:22
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gemmaxubuntui guess i wont be able to watch hd movies from my xubuntu, thats why i want to give it a try to one of the other 3 nvidia drivers17:23
sohail-ahmedgemmaxubuntu ;; have a look http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=208164917:23
knomegemmaxubuntu, the jockey interface should do whatever is needed re: removing/installing17:24
gemmaxubuntusohail-ahmed: i read your link, it says i should install my drivers manually, is that means that there are more nvidia drivers than those on the repositories?17:26
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sohail-ahmedgemmaxubuntu: its hard to pin point the issue, often the driver may not be the only issue. I Suggest you try various drivers as suugested by gemmaxubuntu and also put a look at nvidia config.17:29
gemmaxubuntummm, im going to unninstall the actual driver and make a reestart and reconnect to the IRC, then i will think wich driver to use, jockey seems to choose a proper driver, maybe i just cant watch hd with my currect hardware :( i tested a game (tremulous) and works perfectly, so i guess the driver is ok, i just dont like the 2 instances of nvidia xserver settings17:29
gemmaxubuntui'll be back after uninstalling the jockey sugested driver, set  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2081649 to favourites to purge xserver xorg settings, and try a newer driver17:30
gemmaxubuntuthank you, brb17:30
gemmaxubuntusettings purged, nvidia driver uninstalled through software center (lol, i had to unninstall twice, now i understand my double xserver settings entrance in the menu :) ), im rebooting see what happend, brb17:34
gemmaxubuntuperfect, i uninstalled the nvidia driver and my xubuntu works perfectly, tested tremulous and worked also high quality, im goint to test a flash hd video on my browser to see if there is a difference. how do i know wich graphic driver im using now?17:45
sohail-ahmeduse settings manger17:46
gemmaxubuntuincredible, with no nvidia drivers, flash hd video perform much better17:48
gemmaxubuntuwere in the settings manager i can see the graphic driver?17:48
sohail-ahmedsettings manager ... additional drivers17:49
gemmaxubuntuthere i see im not using any aditional driver, so i guess im using xubuntu default driver (was that alsa or something like that) nevertheless additional drivers recommends me to install NVIDIA driver but my computer performs slower with that driver17:51
gemmaxubuntui dont understand... :)17:53
gemmaxubuntuhope to be a linux geek! :)17:53
knomegemmaxubuntu, you should be happy that the open source drivers work well for you17:53
gemmaxubuntuyes i am happy17:54
knomegemmaxubuntu, there's no need to install the proprietary nvidia drivers in that case17:54
gemmaxubuntuso happy17:54
gemmaxubuntui just dont understand why additional drivers recommend me to install the nvidia driver17:54
gemmaxubuntui can watch now 720p videos on my browser and with the nvidia driver i could not17:55
gemmaxubuntui should report to xubuntu?17:55
knomegemmaxubuntu, you just did. that's "normal"; for some people, the open source drivers work better17:55
gemmaxubuntuand just so i learn, how are the graphic open source drivers called? if they have a name, and, how do i play with the settings so i can choose performance over quality? if there is a way (disable antialising and those things)17:56
knomegemmaxubuntu, nouveau17:57
knomegemmaxubuntu, there isn't special controls, just the generic ones (see 'appearance' from the settings manager, also 'window manager' and 'window manager tweaks' which control some of that stuff)17:58
knome(not really related with the driver itself though)17:58
gemmaxubuntui see many people having trouble with my same graphics card and most of them the go back to xubuntu 11 and install the propietary driver as recomended by xubuntu experts, also xubuntu recomends itself to install the nvidia driver and installs it by default if you check propietary drivers on install, how can i help those people so they just install xubuntu latest LTS version and use open source drivers wich perform better than t18:00
knome"xubuntu experts" being who? :)18:01
gemmaxubuntusorry, just guessed, probably not so experts hehe18:01
sohail-ahmedgemmaxubuntu,, to play with your settings you need to have run sudo nvidia-settings , caution it may change you driver.18:01
knomesohail-ahmed, not with the open source driver.18:01
gemmaxubuntunevertheless, xubuntu itself recommends me to install the propietary driver18:02
sohail-ahmedi agree knome, but in that case he cant have a full advantage of his card18:02
knomegemmaxubuntu, not sure if it should, but at least you are given the choice...18:02
knomesohail-ahmed, except that it was just confirmed the open source drivers work better.18:02
knomesohail-ahmed, please try to follow the discussion and not throw random links/comments18:03
sohail-ahmedok. pulling back18:03
gemmaxubuntusohail-ahmed: i dont understand "full advantage" concept, it is just performing better with open source drivers, is not that "full advantage"?18:03
gemmaxubuntudo you mean my graphic cars can do more things than just show the graphics on the screen?18:04
knomegemmaxubuntu, the open source drivers can't always enable all features your card supports with the proprietary drivers18:04
knomegemmaxubuntu, it's really up to you which driver is best for you18:04
gemmaxubuntui understand, you mean things like "pixel shadowing etc"18:05
gemmaxubuntubut those things are normally only needed for gammers right?18:05
knomethat's one example.18:05
knomein some cases, the proprietary drivers offer better speed18:06
knomebut apparently not in your case18:06
gemmaxubuntui dont think i can game on an old 2.4 pentium IV :)18:06
gemmaxubuntulinux repositories games (tremulous high quality, battle of westhnot...) works good18:07
gemmaxubuntucould you tell me an open source game from the repositories that should use some of those things my card should have so i can test it both with open source drivers and the nvidia drivers?18:08
gemmaxubuntuthat would be the last test :)18:08
knomegemmaxubuntu, well, tremulous or battle of wesnoth, because those are the games you play. if they work better now than with the proprietary drivers, awesome18:09
knomethat *is* the ultimate, personalized test18:09
knomeyou've passed18:09
gemmaxubuntufor now, for normal computer use, open office, flash videos, browsing the web, open source demonstrated better performance, nevertheless i would like to try a more high-end game, so i can see my self how it performs with both drivers, would you mind to tell me one of that kind of game wich i can find on the repositorie so i can do my final choose of propietarie or non propietary drivers?18:10
knomei would consider tremulous a solid test.18:11
knomedisclaimer: i don't really game on linux/pc.18:11
xubuntu897I dont know what i shud use.. Xubuntu 12.04.4 or 13.10.. why use 12.04.4 instead of the newest ?18:11
knomexubuntu897, 12.04 is a long-term support version18:11
gemmaxubuntuknome: then im happy to keep my open source drivers!! thank you all open source programmers!18:12
knomegemmaxubuntu, no problem :) enjoy!18:12
gemmaxubuntuand, tell the xubuntu creators, not to recommend nvidia drivers for GeForce4 MX :)18:13
knomegemmaxubuntu, as i said, you told it yourself. i'm the sitting xubuntu project lead :)18:14
gemmaxubuntuoh! glad to meet you :)18:14
knomeyou too, always good to see/hear people who are happy with xubuntu18:14
gemmaxubuntuvery happy! i dropped to the flor my i5 with ubuntu and broke, i had to use my old pIV, im so happy i have xubuntu to make it run smothly! :)18:16
gemmaxubuntuknome, nevertheless, in case i get the money to get a new agp8x graphics card, is there a list of the best one i can use with my xubuntu? since now are all pci express i guess it should be a winner in performance wich i may find trough ebay. I have no money for a new pc but i may try to get graphics for this old one i have a very good quality motherboard, case, cooling, and memory, i guess just upgrading my graphics (and maybe 18:25
knomegemmaxubuntu, i would just look for generic compatibility lists for linux. don't know if there's an exhaustive listing somewhere18:26
gemmaxubuntuok, i will google it!18:26
knomegemmaxubuntu, i would still avoid optimus-cards, they still have more or less problems with linux18:26
gemmaxubuntuok, i will take a look to compatibility lists and see, nevertheless if someone has the experience of a very good performing agp graphics cards under xubuntu, let me know!18:29
gemmaxubuntuand my last question (hehe, im having all the audience today, sorry) my motherboard has sata raid built in, may xubuntu be installed on a raid array? or do i need a floopy drivers disk like i used to do in windows years ago with this board?18:31
knome!raid18:32
ubottuTips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto18:32
gemmaxubuntureading!18:32
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gemmaxubuntuo no! fakeRaid, i never heard about, im goint to reboot and see my bios and raid set up to see if i have a real hardware raid or a fakeRaid, brb, thank you again18:43
gemmaxubuntu!raid18:59
ubottuTips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto18:59
Thibaut73Do a person speak french ?19:22
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gemmaxubuntubuf, now i hate fakeRaid, and forget about raid, nevertheless i have a question not solved by ubottu links neither googling. If i use hard drives on my fakeraid sata connections but i do not define any array (so i dont use any Raid set) but each disk alone, is the data on those harddrives also only accesible by the same fakeraid controller? or is this data on those harddrives normal (ext4) and i can move my drive to other compu19:29
gemmaxubuntuim scared to plug my harddrives into the silicon sataRaid (fakeraid) connectors19:30
gemmaxubuntui dont have an empty spare disk to test it my self, anyone has experience on Raid?19:36
gemmaxubuntulets try to make the question easier to understand, can i use a fakeRaid sata interface or a hardware raid sata interface  as a normal sata interface without setting  Raid arrays so the hardisks plugged into it can be accessible in any other system without the same raid hardware in case of a system crash?19:40
AmoxychillinSo you're asking if a fakeraid array would be readable by another machine plug n play?19:43
gemmaxubuntuno, im asking if those disk pluged on a fakeraid but not set into an array would be readable by another machine plug n play19:45
AmoxychillinNo19:46
gemmaxubuntuso even if i dont set any array, the data would be modified by the controller?19:46
gemmaxubuntuand therefore i will need the same controller to access the data?19:47
gemmaxubuntuso those 4 SATA connectors on my motherboard (wich depend on the silicon sataraid controller) i cant use as a normal sata connectors?19:48
AmoxychillinIn theory you could use dmraid to create another virtual controller and hope for the best.  Yet it's probably more trouble than its worth.19:48
AmoxychillinYes they function as normal sata connections19:50
AmoxychillinThey aren't "raid sata" controllers.  You would be using RAID configuration via the sata connections.   To my knowledge no such animal exists as a "RAID SATA"19:51
gemmaxubuntuim going to test it right now, i hope not to loose my data, im shutting off, pluging a disk into those connectors and see if i can access the data19:53
gemmaxubuntubrb19:53
AmoxychillinIn my personal experience fakeraid configurations have always ended up costing me more time and effort than they were worth.19:53
AmoxychillinGood luck19:53
gemmaxubuntuty19:54
Amoxychillincim20:05
gemmaxubuntui can access the data on my harddrive connected to the fakeraid connector, but i cant see the partitions in gparted20:14
gemmaxubuntuhow curious20:14
gemmaxubuntuany clue to modify partitions on the disk trught xubuntu?20:15
AmoxychillinCurious how you can access the data yet the partitions dont "exist"20:16
gemmaxubuntuyes very curious20:16
gemmaxubuntuthe partition can be mounted and unmounted and the data, ntfs is accesible20:16
gemmaxubuntubut nevertheless gparted sees the disk but it says there are no partitions20:18
gemmaxubuntushows all the space as free, non partitioned20:18
AmoxychillinIt has to just not recognize the file type th en20:19
gemmaxubuntuah, no i see it20:19
Amoxychillinwrong physical drive selected?20:20
gemmaxubuntuit says "you cant make a partition out of the disk" on info20:20
Amoxychillinthat makes more sense20:20
gemmaxubuntuand clicking new on the free space, it says, "there is no partition table"20:21
gemmaxubuntui have plugged only two identical disk20:21
gemmaxubuntuone running xubuntu and parted and the other one wich i can access the data of the only partition it has but i cant touch partition table on gparted20:22
gemmaxubuntuand shows there is no partitions :)20:22
gemmaxubuntuat least i can access the data20:23
AmoxychillinWell that means that everything you wanted to accomplish is working20:23
gemmaxubuntuexactly20:23
gemmaxubuntu:)20:23
AmoxychillinYou can't damage the partition or formatting on your secondary machine, yet the data is available.  So when you return it to the original machine all is well20:23
Amoxychillin:)20:23
gemmaxubuntuit is working as a normal drive on a fakeraid connection20:23
AmoxychillinLucky dog20:23
gemmaxubuntui havent try to write on it yet, lets me see20:24
gemmaxubuntuwriteable aswell20:24
gemmaxubuntu:)20:25
AmoxychillinQuestion is will it rebuild the raid once its returned20:25
AmoxychillinIt should20:25
gemmaxubuntubut it is not part of a raid20:25
Amoxychillinthats right youy didnt assign anything20:26
gemmaxubuntui have not selected the disk as a member of an array20:26
gemmaxubuntubut somehow still readeable by xubuntu :)20:26
gemmaxubuntui can part it connecting to my dvd sata conector and then put it back to fake raid and use it, nive20:27
gemmaxubuntunice*20:27
gemmaxubuntuim going to try with another drive wich is parted, lets see if all partitions are mounted brb20:28
Amoxychillinalright20:28
gemmaxubuntunot hotplug, so it will take a while :)20:28
gemmaxubuntubrb20:28
gemmaxubuntunice20:40
gemmaxubuntui guess im really missing the partition table on the other drive20:40
gemmaxubuntu:)20:40
gemmaxubuntui connected another drive to the fakeraid connections and it is fully functional20:41
gemmaxubuntueven trough gparted20:41
gemmaxubuntushould i fsck the failing drive in gparted?20:42
gemmaxubuntui dont have enought spare space to copy the data though, is it to dangerous?20:43
gemmaxubuntuno partition table but data is accesible and one partition mounted20:44
gemmaxubuntunevertheless im happy i found out you can use fakeRaid sata connectors as a normal sata intefaces aslong as you dont set the disk as part of an array :)20:47
gemmaxubuntuany clue on how xubuntu is finding my partition and i can access the data if no partition table is present on the disk?20:48
bekksgemmaxubuntu: sudo lsblk20:52
xubuntu159so I am installing voyager 12.04  & it keeps trying to draw from Medibuntu21:00
xubuntu159>_>21:00
xubuntu159<_<21:00
xubuntu159>_>21:00
xubuntu159WTF?21:00
bekksYour keyboard is broken.21:01
xubuntu159clearly21:02
xubuntu159anyway, Getting a lot of 404s while installing & a lot of "something wicked happened"21:02
xubuntu159making me kinda nervous21:03
bekksThen pastebin the entire output, and give us the URL.21:04
xubuntu159ok21:04
gemmaxubuntubekks, thank you, lsblk shows in that disk it should be another partition wich is not mounted21:05
gemmaxubuntuproably corrupted21:06
gemmaxubuntui dont care about since i know there was my old OS, so only the Data partition is mounted21:06
xubuntu159It wont let me copy the output & its stuck @ 126 of 13721:07
xubuntu159-_-21:07
xubuntu159Im starting to think eff this, & go back to Pinguy21:07
gemmaxubuntuso bekks, trully my partition table is corrupted, is there a way to rebuild it?21:09
bekksgemmaxubuntu: Restore your backup of the partition table.21:10
gemmaxubuntu:) i have no back up21:10
bekksThen you dont have any valuable important data on that disk.21:10
gemmaxubuntuyes i do, to much21:11
gemmaxubuntunot on the first partition wich is not mounted, but yes on the second one21:11
gemmaxubuntuwich is 450gb21:11
gemmaxubuntuuff21:11
bekksYou dont, you dont have a backup. Copy all stuff you to some other disk, and recreate a partitiontable along with all filesystems you want.21:11
gemmaxubuntui will plug all my disks to see i have enough space21:11
gemmaxubuntuso im so lucky the data partition is mounted... puff21:12
gemmaxubuntuto much data, to less money.... i guess i will have to delete some data...21:14
gemmaxubuntuin spain is legal and free to download music :)21:14
bekksSo thats redownloadable.21:15
gemmaxubuntuexactly21:15
bekksAnd not valuable or important at all.21:15
gemmaxubuntuthe only importance is that in spain we still have copper pair connection :(21:15
gemmaxubuntuimagine how many months of downloading hehe21:16
bekksDepends on the bandwidth.21:16
gemmaxubuntui will make a purge, what else21:16
bekksCopper ethernet goes up to 40Gb/s21:16
gemmaxubuntunot in spain jaja, you are lucky if you get 6Mb of your 10Mb max contract21:17
gemmaxubuntuinstallations are owfull, lots of noise, copper pair with electricity cables, nodes far... etc21:17
gemmaxubuntui pray for optic fiber reaching home soon :)21:19
gemmaxubuntunevertheless i will delete what doesnt fit in other drives, what else, then, how i part my drive again? gparted does not let me do anything on that drive21:20
bekksgemmaxubuntu: Because a partition from that drive is is use currently.21:22
gemmaxubuntuno i tried before backing up to unmount21:23
gemmaxubuntugparted tells me there is no partition table, therefore "i cant part outside of the disk"21:24
gemmaxubuntuit shows the disk as empty, not parted, but i cant create partitions21:24
bekksgemmaxubuntu: Then put a disk label on it, first, using fdisk.21:26
gemmaxubuntubekks, yes i guess that is the problem, the first partition of the disk has no label21:46
gemmaxubuntuthen i dont see it on desktop then i can unmount it21:46
bekksPartitions never have labels at all.21:46
bekksFilesystem might have labels, but those labels are optional.21:46
bekksAnd I was talking about a new partition table, which is called "disk label", too.21:47
gemmaxubuntummm, then, lets me wait to finish backing up and then i ask again to try to solve the problem21:47
bekksAnd since you are seeing partitions on that disk, your partition table cant be corrupted.21:47
gemmaxubuntuuff so everytime im more lost :)21:47
gemmaxubuntugparted tells me there is no partition table on the disk21:48
gemmaxubuntubut lsblk shows the two partitions21:48
bekksForget gparted.21:48
gemmaxubuntuokeys21:48
gemmaxubuntu14min to finish backing up what it is important21:49
gemmaxubuntuthen i try with fdisk21:49
gemmaxubuntuim sorry to continue bothering, i will like to learn, if i should forget gparted, that mean my disk may be ok and not corrupted?21:54
gemmaxubuntulsblk shows sdb with its two original partitions21:54
gemmaxubuntunevertheless on my desktop only one is mounted by default21:54
gemmaxubuntuthis partition is sdb2, how do i access sdb1?21:55
gemmaxubuntu(i mean as mounted, showed as an icon on my dektop) i just learned is not the same thing :)21:57
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CraHanHi, I'd like to report a bug (and possible fix) in plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo. Unfortunately https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo doesn't seem to exist. Any tips on where to file it?22:27
Unit193CraHan: Sure, but first what's the issue?22:28
Unit193xubuntu-artwork is the source package.22:28
CraHanIt's nothing special. The plymouth theme prints out messages at the bottom of the screen. One after the other starting at the bottom22:28
CraHanthe bug is that the first message is printed at the top and only starting from the second message is it coming up from the bottom22:28
CraHanthe reason is the message list array is not initialised22:29
Unit193Ah, that.  If you'd like, you can also bzr branch and then later propose a merge.22:29
Unit193ochosi: Here?22:29
Unit193But yes, it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork22:29
CraHanah that's the package. Great22:30
CraHanThe fix is basically to fill the msgs_line array with Sprites containing an empty string22:30
CraHanso when you do a GetHeight on an array element there's a sprite in there it actually can get a height from22:31
CraHanat least after I added that it now starts printing messages from the bottom and moves them up22:31
CraHanas I would expect22:32
CraHanIf that makes any sense at all? :)22:32
Unit193Yes.  Right now, it places them terribly on this screen, but I don't see it that often.22:32
CraHanI use dm-crypt and when I type the wrong password and then the correct password it happens.22:33
CraHanor is visible. Anyway. I'll start with reporting the bug on the xubuntu-artwork page. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!22:34
Unit193No problem, thank you.22:34
cody_hello22:53
CraHanUnit193: I sent a merge request. My first time working with bzr and sending a merge request on launchpad so I hope everything went correctly :)23:12
ochosiCraHan: hey there, i wasn't around before23:13
ochosii'm usually in charge of the artwork stuff in xubuntu23:13
CraHanhi ochosi23:13
ochosithe plymouth theme wasn't written by me though23:13
ochosii looked into it a while ago23:13
CraHanI filed a bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/127797623:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1277976 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo messages are printed in the wrong order" [Undecided,New]23:14
ochosithe author is rowboatnick23:14
CraHanAnd while I was at it I decided to take a stab at pulling in the project with bzr and sending a merge request :)23:14
ochosinice23:15
CraHanDo I update the bug report with the info about the merge request?23:15
ochosihm, yeah, that doesn't look very elegant :)23:15
CraHanI know :)23:15
ochosiyeah, go ahaed23:15
ochosiahead23:15
CraHanthere's probably a nicer way to fix this.23:15
ochosiyeah, i don't know too much about plymouth's scripting language23:16
ochosiit always seemed a bit odd to me23:16
CraHanWell, same here to be honest.23:16
ochosirowboatnick: can you take a quick look at this? ^23:16
rowboatnickochosi: ye, im aware of this bug23:19
rowboatnickI even fixed it, but Im not sure i have that code anymore23:19
foggalongIn all this time it had never occurred to me that there might be a separate IRC for xubuntu23:23
ochosirowboatnick: would be great if you could check whether you still have that code, or whether you're able to rewrite it23:25
rowboatnickochosi: he's correct about the issue, the problem is just that its uninitialized23:26
rowboatnickthe fix is simply to make sure its allocated23:26
rowboatnickyou could set it to Sprite objects or just NULL23:27
ochosimy problem is that i never see any messages in plymouth23:28
ochosibecause i never see plymouth23:28
rowboatnickmsgs_line = [NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL]23:28
ochosi1) i have a ssd, so my boot-process is too fast, 2) i'm using proprietary drivers atm23:28
rowboatnickhehe23:29
CraHanI can update the code and send a new merge request if that's ok?23:29
CraHanreplace what I proposed now with what rowboatnick said above23:29
rowboatnickCraHan: if you want to merge your code, please test it first too23:29
CraHanThe merge request I sent now works, but I'll try your suggestion, test it and then send a new merge request23:29
CraHanIt's quite a bit more elegant :)23:30
rowboatnickIf you use my method, you have to make sure the SetPosition does not operate if an index is NULL23:30
rowboatnickif you feel like it, just switch your code to using []23:30
CraHanok, good to know23:30
rowboatnickinstead of one seperate lines23:30
Unit193ochosi: I'm using proprietary drivers and see it, the i915 on the crappy computer is where I get the "real" plymouth.23:31
ochosiUnit193: yeah, not sure, not working here with nvidia23:31
Unit193nvidia here too. :/23:31
rowboatnickacctually, I would advise using NULL checks, because changing Sprite text is annoying :P23:32
CraHanThanks for the help rowboatnick, ochosi23:32
ochosino problem, thanks for finding the bug and looking into it!23:33
ochosi(only very few ppl do that, most just whine ;))23:33
Unit193Hey! ;)23:33
ochosihehe23:33
ochosiwell i wasn't pointing any fingers though, was i?23:33
ochosi:)23:34
MrTuliasHi23:35
Unit193Howdy.23:35
ochosiahoj23:36
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CraHanOk, implemented rowboatnick's fix (including checking for NULL values before using setPosition on msgs_list items). Looks like it's working correctly. I'll update the request.23:38
MrTuliasI have to add a few lines in the configuration x to run well the mouse ... Should I add them to the file /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf/50-vmmouse.conf? This is what I have to add http://paste.ubuntu.com/6900173/23:41
MrTulias*/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/23:43
brainwashMrTulias: or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ which is the recommended location23:47
CraHanochosi, rowboatnick merge request should now be updated with your suggestion. Tested it and it seems to be behaving as expected.23:52
ochosiCraHan: sounds good, but i want at least one other person to test this successfully23:56
CraHanof course23:56
ochosibreaking plymouth could be bad23:56
ochosiand unfortunately i can't be that person, as i mentioned23:56
ochosiso we'll have to look for someone else23:56
CraHanI would definitely like more people to test it first.23:57
MrTuliasThanks brainwash, but I d'ont see that folder... Have I to create it?23:57
CraHanWouldn't want my first merge request to lock people out of their machines :)23:57
ochosiCraHan: indeed :)23:59

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