[00:13] <cubed_root> what's xubuntu's equivalent of lightdm / gdm / kdm (i'm taking notes on how to restart a frozen gui)
[00:14] <bluesabre> cubed_root: lightdm-gtk-greeter
[00:15] <cubed_root> thanks bluesabre
[00:16] <bluesabre> anytime :)
[00:19] <xubuntu878> Guys, I need help.  xrdp in xubuntu, getting a grey screen.  I think I need to make a .xsession file and do permissions things, but in there I'm reading that I have to put gnome-session something something, is that going to be different for xubuntu?
[00:34] <karen__> i bought minecraft and do not know commands to install
[00:35] <karen__> helo
[00:36] <karen__> #xubnuntu-off topic
[00:36] <Unit193> Does it have a README or INSTALL file?
[00:36] <karen__> no minecraft.jar
[00:36] <Unit193> java -jar minecraft.jar
[00:37] <karen__> yes
[00:39] <karen__> unit193_; hello
[00:39] <Unit193> Yes?
[00:40] <karen__> i just want to see if your there
[00:41] <karen__> unit193_, you know commands
[00:41] <Unit193> What?
[00:42] <karen__> for exicutable bit
[00:42] <karen__> unit193_,
[00:43] <knome> karen__, patience please
[00:43] <karen__> ok i just wonder if hes there
[00:44] <Unit193> You haven't asked anything other than the first question (which was answered, afaik), you just keep pinging me and asking if I'm here.
[00:44] <knome> karen__, chmod +x filename
[00:45] <karen__> what
[00:45] <knome> karen__, you asked for the command to set the executable bit
[00:45] <karen__> oh ok
[00:46] <Unit193> Right click -> Properties too.
[00:49] <karen__> knome_, command dose not work my os in xubuntu 11.10
[00:50] <karen__> i have older system
[00:50] <knome> karen__, first, yes it does set the executable bit even in 11.10; second, 11.10 isn't supported any more.
[00:50] <knome> karen__, please update to 12.04 or you are "on your won"
[00:50] <knome> *own
[00:55] <karen__> knome_, i cant not my pc
[00:55] <knome> karen__, then advice the owner of the pc to upgrade
[00:56] <karen__> ok
[00:56] <karen__> c u in bit
[00:56] <knome> 12.04 has one more year support left, and it's an LTS (long-term support) release contrary to 11.10, so it's generally more stable anyway
[01:19] <Belial`> anyone here using an app launcher similar to kupfer or synapse? synapse doesn't display correcty anymore and kupfer keeps crashing on me.
[01:21] <Galatasaray> Last updated video card drivers are gone
[03:17] <map|work> anyone able to lend a hand..struggling with squidguard - tried from source and tried from the repos keep getting stuck at the same point
[03:17] <map|work>    DB->put: method not permitted before handle's open method
[03:17] <map|work> when trying to build the dbs
[03:19] <holstein> what repo is getting stuck?
[03:19] <holstein> map|work: a PPA?
[03:20] <map|work> not afaik
[03:21] <map|work> http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/i386/squidguard/downloaddeb http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy main universe
[03:21] <map|work> so i dont think its a PPA??
[04:04] <ka> how do i mark a file as an executable bit
[04:04] <ka> what command
[04:05] <ka> chanserv, hello
[04:08] <ka> knome_, hello
[04:09] <ka> idleOne_, hello
[04:09] <ka> hello
[04:16] <Unit193> !patience
[04:16] <Unit193> ka: It's not nice to randomly ping people, please don't do it.
[04:16] <Unit193> You were also told this.
[04:29] <holstein> ka: what file? i typically find that by right-clicking i can set that.. or, use the commands in the terminal
[04:30] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/229589/make-sh-file-as-application-x-executable-file explains it pretty well
[04:33] <ka> minecraft.jar
[04:34] <holstein> ka: thats now how you do it..
[04:35] <ka> i tried diffrent commands
[04:35] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/101746/how-can-i-execute-a-jar-file-from-the-terminal
[04:35] <holstein> java -jar Minecraft.jar
[04:35] <holstein> ka: if you have "tried" something that has broken your system, or java. or the jar, you'll want to address that
[04:36] <ka> paste.ubuntu.com/684980/
[04:37] <ka> its me zack on a diffrent pc
[04:38] <ka> holstein_, can u halp me
[04:38] <ka> help
[04:39] <holstein> ka: i am.. please exercise patience.. and use the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for chat
[04:39] <holstein> !volunteers | ka
[04:39] <holstein> i am reviewing the pastebin you gave, ka
[04:40] <holstein> ka: but, its not avialable.. i think you made an error in pasting ... please check and paste again.. thanks
[04:40] <ka> im just asking if you can help or not
[04:40] <holstein> ka: can you please post your pastebin? the link you gave is broken
[04:40] <peyam> will xubuntu 14.04 have a default SSD TRIM support?
[04:41] <ka> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6894980/
[04:41] <peyam> ka, well do you have the jar file there?
[04:41] <holstein> peyam: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/12/trim-ssd-support-enabled-ubuntu-14-04 or #ubuntu+1
[04:41] <ka> yes
[04:42] <ka> when is 14.04 coming out
[04:42] <Belial`> april
[04:42] <holstein> !14.04
[04:42] <ka> cool
[04:42] <holstein> the ".04" is "april".. the 14 is 2014
[04:42] <ka> oh right
[04:43] <peyam> holstein, very good
[04:43] <holstein> ka: "java -jar /home/karen/downloads/Minecraft.jar"
[04:43] <peyam> java -jar Minecraft.jar
[04:43] <peyam> yes sorry
[04:44] <peyam> you should have java installed ofcourse.
[04:44] <peyam> openjdk-7-jre
[04:44] <peyam> or 6
[04:44] <holstein> the link i gave states how to deal with that, if you dont have java installed
[04:44] <ka> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6895015/
[04:44] <ka> and no i have java runtime 6
[04:45] <peyam> you have two jars
[04:45] <holstein> ka: what you typed is not what i typed
[04:45] <peyam> just jar
[04:45] <peyam> java -jar /home/karen/Downloads/Minecraft.jar
[04:45] <holstein> ka: you look at what i typed in *direct* reference to what you typed, and linked in pastebin, and you'll see what the issue it
[04:45] <holstein> is*
[04:45] <ka> oh i already did that and did not work
[04:45] <holstein> ka: no you didnt
[04:45] <peyam> ka, you wrote downloads instead of Downloads
[04:46] <peyam> and it should be .jar only not .jar.jar
[04:46] <ka> yes i did im also talking with #ubuntu
[04:46] <holstein> ka: "java -jar /home/karen/Downloads/Minecraft.jar"
[04:47] <ka> i alredy did that
[04:47] <holstein> ka: no you didnt
[04:47] <holstein> ka: do *exactly* the above, and share the error messages, please
[04:47] <peyam> ka, you spelled wrong. just copy what holstein is writing
[04:47] <ka> one sec i show previous stuff
[04:47] <holstein> ka: show the current stuff.. run that command /home/karen/downloads/Minecraft.jar
[04:47] <holstein> thats the path ^
[04:47] <holstein> sorry..
[04:48] <ka> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6895030/
[04:48] <holstein> "java -jar /home/karen/Downloads/Minecraft.jar"
[04:48] <holstein>  ^^
[04:48] <holstein> ka: the download is typically capital
[04:48] <ka> ok
[04:48] <holstein> ka: you can cd into the directory, or use tab complete, or drag it over from the filemanager
[04:49] <holstein> ka: you'll need to point *precisely* to the file
[04:49] <peyam> ka, what is wrong with u. i told you twice and holstein many times. it's Downloads. not downloads. use ur tab key for autocompletation
[04:51] <ka> it workes now thx
[05:22] <xubuntu927> I am a new xubuntu user and I am trying to access the internet via firefox.
[05:22] <xubuntu927> How do I do it?
[05:23] <holstein> xubuntu927: are you connected to the internet?
[05:23] <holstein> via network cable or wifi?
[05:23] <xubuntu927> I have xubuntu-12.10 and the motherboard is connected to my router with a wire.
[05:23] <xubuntu927> cable
[05:24] <xubuntu927> I am running the operating system off of a usb
[05:24] <holstein> xubuntu927: you'll connect the router to the machines nework interface
[05:25] <xubuntu927> the cable is connected to the motherboard's RJ-45 Lan Por
[05:26] <holstein> xubuntu927: then, assuming the network interface supports linux, and that its sending networking connectivity and giving an IP, you'll be able to browse the internet
[05:28] <xubuntu927> This is a GA-970A-D3P motherboard. I have other machines connected to this router and all others are accessing the internet without a problem - both wirelessly and via cable. I have never used Xubuntu before. Might you be able to provide more precise instructions? For example, how would I know whether the network interface supports linux?
[05:29] <holstein> xubuntu927: well, ideally the company would let you konw, likke they did with the windows support.. but, are you able to browse with firefox? what happens?
[05:32] <xubuntu927> I get a server not found error upon opening firefox. I will point out, this is the first machine I've ever constructed myself.
[05:32] <xubuntu927> I should say... assembled myself.
[05:33] <holstein> xubuntu927: has it ever worked with anything?
[05:34] <xubuntu927> I've never connected to the internet before with this machine. It's brand new. The equipment arrived two days ago. I completed assembly earlier today, the boot to operating system two hours ago. Now I can't access the internet.
[05:35] <holstein> then, you aver troubleshooting a few things at once
[05:35] <holstein> are*
[05:35] <holstein> i would open a terminal and run "ifconfig"
[05:36] <xubuntu927> I will do that. Is there something I should look for in the ifconfig?
[05:36] <holstein> !paste | xubuntu927 if you dont konw what you are looking at
[05:38] <xubuntu927> hmm.... I don't see how I can paste between these two machines. As I type this message, I am on a dell xps running windows xp. My monitor, keyboard and mouse are setup on a KVM switch to the new machine running Xubuntu.
[05:39] <xubuntu927> I can toggle between the two machines, but I don't see how I can copy/paste between them.
[05:39] <holstein> xubuntu927: you can do what you like to convey the information to a volunteer here
[05:39] <holstein> take a picture. .explain what you are seeing.. etc
[05:41] <xubuntu927> A photo: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/l2qu7mQnKUKy9Cak1e9rneGnhHo0s5jL895CZbFMQ0U?feat=directlink
[05:42] <holstein> eth0 should be that device.. its not getting an IP
[05:43] <holstein> i dont know your network.. and there are many variables here
[05:43] <holstein> is the device working? is it installed properly? does it work with a supported operating system
[05:43] <holstein> see.. the issue is, you could mess about forever with this, and if the card is installed incorrectly, or broken.. it'll never work.. for my time, i would try a few live CD's before installing at best
[05:44] <holstein> i would try and see that the bios sees the device. and, i would even try and use it with a supported operating system if possible..
[05:44] <holstein> linux typically supports all wired network cards well, so, it could be something on the router settings, or the cable.. or, the device doesnt support linux
[05:45] <holstein> you can run "lspci" there, and see the device list
[05:45] <xubuntu927> when you say device,  you mean the motherboard?
[05:45] <holstein> xubuntu927: *any* device really
[05:45] <Guest79254> can you guys give me some basic commands
[05:45] <holstein> Guest79254: ask, and a volunteer can try and help you
[05:46] <Guest79254> i just want to know some commands
[05:46] <Guest79254> and its karen from earlyer
[05:46] <holstein> Guest79254: sure.. just ask, and a volunteer can help
[05:46] <Guest79254> like who
[05:46] <cfhowlett> !manual|Guest79254,
[05:47] <holstein> Guest79254: you just ask, and any volunteer who can and has time will help
[05:48] <Guest79254> i know how to do all of that i just want to know some sudo commands or some other commands
[05:48] <holstein> Guest79254: sudo *is* a command
[05:49] <holstein> Guest79254: commands can perform tasks? what task are you trying to do?
[05:49] <Guest79254> i know but i mean some more actions like sudo apt-get install
[05:49] <xubuntu927> Here is the lspci command: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/LDm6QHV9_uSem424GwLWB-GnhHo0s5jL895CZbFMQ0U?feat=directlink
[05:49] <holstein> Guest79254: http://ss64.com/bash/
[05:50] <holstein> Guest79254: what actions? you have to say "im trying to do such and such" and i'll suggest a command
[05:50] <Guest79254> nothing just cirious what i can do
[05:50] <holstein> Guest79254: use the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for chat.. thanks!
[05:50] <Guest79254> i have xubuntu not linux
[05:51] <xubuntu927> Are there any steps that I can take to setup or configure my internet connection as a first time user of xubuntu?
[05:51] <holstein> Guest79254: xubuntu *is* linux
[05:51] <Guest79254> i think what im askig i s a topic of discussion for this channal
[05:52] <Guest79254> and i know that xubuntu is related to linux but are diffrent os
[05:52] <holstein> Guest79254: linux is a kernel.. not an operating system.. xubuntu uses the linux kernel
[05:53] <holstein> Guest79254: xubuntu *is* linux.. as i said above.. not as you stated above
[05:53] <holstein> xubuntu is not "related to linux".. it *is* linux... and uses the linux kernel just as all linux distros do
[05:53] <Guest79254> really i have a comp that has *only* linux on it as an os
[05:54] <holstein> Guest79254: again, linux is *not* an os.. but, yes, xubuntu is a linux distro
[05:54] <xubuntu927> Is it possible to access the internet while booting xubuntu from my usb, thumb drive?
[05:54] <cfhowlett> Guest79254, linux is NOT an OS
[05:54] <cfhowlett> xubuntu927, yes, if your wifi card is supported.  boot and see
[05:54] <holstein> xubuntu927: nothing about xubuntu is preventing that
[05:55] <Guest79254> i used a linux live cd to axses files on a windows os. but yes it is a os
[05:55] <holstein> Guest79254: its not
[05:56] <holstein> Guest79254: linux is the kernel, as i stated, and cfhowlett stated.. its not an os.. its a kernel.. linux is the kernel that xubuntu uses
[05:56] <xubuntu927> I am trying to. I am in the ubuntu user's manual but it's quite different from xubuntu.
[05:57] <xubuntu927> Perhaps I should just try ubuntu...
[05:57] <holstein> xubuntu927: its actucally not all that different.. and the driver support will be the same, and i think that might be where you are hung up
[05:57] <Guest79254> http://www.linux.org/threads/what-is-linux.4076/ proof
[05:57] <xubuntu927> ok... how might I correct the driver support hangup?
[05:57] <holstein> Guest79254: its the kernel, friend..
[05:58] <cfhowlett> Guest79254, theological debates aside, do you have a support question?
[05:58] <holstein> xubuntu927: ideally the vendor would provide you a driver.. but, we are assuming thats the issue.. could be anything with your build
[05:58] <Guest79254> it evolved from a kernel
[05:58] <Guest79254> i have a question
[05:58] <holstein> Guest79254: please use the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for chat
[05:59] <Guest79254> im not chating i have a question
[05:59] <cfhowlett> !details|Guest79254,
[06:00] <holstein> "Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system." from https://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html
[06:00] <Guest79254> i want to know more commands
[06:00] <holstein> i say that not to be combative, or put it up for debate, just to be clear..
[06:00] <cfhowlett> !bash|Guest79254,
[06:00] <holstein> Guest79254: commands to do what? have you looked at the list i gave before?
[06:01] <Guest79254> any commands non spasific
[06:02] <Guest79254> is there a hacking channal
[06:02] <cfhowlett> Guest79254, not here.
[06:02] <holstein> Guest79254: http://ss64.com/bash/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[06:02] <Guest79254> where
[06:02] <cfhowlett> !terminal
[06:03] <Guest79254> no is there a wite hat hacking channal
[06:03] <holstein> Guest79254: this is not a "where are the channels" channel.. please use #xubuntu-offtopic
[06:03] <holstein> http://elucidatedbinary.com/blog/2011/01/11/how-to-search-for-an-irc-channel-on-freenode/
[06:03] <Guest79254> ok just wondering
[06:04] <Guest79254> #xubuntu-offtopic
[07:15] <zack_> sup
[07:16] <zack_> holstein. sup
[07:16] <zack_> ##freegeek
[07:16] <zack_> #xubuntu-offtopic
[07:33] <cubed_root> will backing up the panel files as described here http://alturl.com/p4355 allow me to delete a panel i might want to return to later?
[07:35] <cubed_root> !images
[07:35] <cubed_root> !image
[07:36] <Maaz> how do you hack with xubuntu?
[07:36] <cubed_root> what are you looking to do?
[07:37] <Maaz> hack the government
[07:37] <Maaz> block their computer
[07:37] <Maaz> s
[07:37] <cubed_root> you're nuts
[07:37] <Maaz> i know
[07:37] <Maaz> that's why they giving me medicine
[07:38] <cubed_root> and the nsa is probably listening to this conversation
[07:38] <Maaz> but i don't take it
[07:38] <Maaz> no worries
[07:38] <cfhowlett> Maaz, wrong channel - ask elsewhere
[07:38] <cfhowlett> !ot
[07:38] <Maaz> okey i'll do my best
[07:39] <Maaz> but if the nsa is listening
[07:39] <Maaz> that makes me important
[07:40] <Maaz> or aren't i important to them
[07:41] <cfhowlett> Maaz, wrong channel - take it someplace else.  this channel is for xubuntu support
[07:41] <Maaz> oke
[07:41] <Maaz> i need support
[07:41] <Maaz> i want to install hack programs on xubuntu
[07:42] <cfhowlett> Maaz, last chance - you were already told that's not going to happen here.
[07:42] <cfhowlett> !hacking
[07:43] <xubuntu599> fala anões
[07:43] <xubuntu599> hi bris
[07:43] <xubuntu599> brod
[07:45] <elfy> cubed_root: I've backed up and put back panels like that in the past
[08:16] <cubed_root> will backing up the panel files as described here http://alturl.com/p4355 allow me to delete a panel i might want to return to later?
[08:20] <elfy> cubed_root: as I said a short while ago - I've backed up and put back panels like that in the past
[08:21] <cubed_root> sorry - i hadn't seen your comment, thanks
[08:21] <elfy> :)
[08:21] <cubed_root> so those 2 files should be sufficient?
[08:21] <elfy> worked for me :)
[08:21] <cubed_root> cool! thanks : )
[08:22] <elfy> though - if you've got a launcher that relies on something being installed - it will be empty until it's reinstalled
[08:23] <cubed_root> launcher - a gui widget/icon that launches an app? i just want to make sure i understand
[08:23] <elfy> yep
[08:23] <cubed_root> cool thanks
[08:24] <elfy> I use libreoffice - I have a launcher for bits of it - if I copy panel config before I've installed libreoffice - the launcher is there, but useless
[08:25] <cubed_root> ah - ok
[09:15] <Maaz> !hacking
[09:16] <Maaz> !cracking
[09:17] <Maaz> hey
[09:18] <Maaz> i want to install linux on my computer but i've xubuntu how can i install it?
[09:18] <bekks> Insert the CD, boot it, follow the on screen instructions.
[09:18] <Maaz> thanks
[09:20] <sohail-ahmed> I just have connected my old 3 in1 desk jet printer to my xubuntu machine, how can I make sure that my computer install the necessary drivers/
[09:21] <sohail-ahmed> the printer is from hp
[09:31] <well_laid_lawn> !msg ubottu find hp
[09:32] <well_laid_lawn> sohail-ahmed:  try in a terminal   apt-cache search hp
[09:32] <well_laid_lawn> there should be a package for hp printers iirc
[09:35] <sohail-ahmed>  !msg ubottu find hp
[09:36] <sohail-ahmed> I have tried apt-cache search hp and my terminal gets full with a lisst
[09:38] <bekks> !printing
[09:39] <bekks> sohail-ahmed: Please follow the links given to get your specific printer working.
[09:39] <williamtell> There is a sound problem in Toshiba notebook Satellite L30
[09:40] <williamtell> I recently installed xubuntu in my latopy
[09:41] <williamtell> That means i'm freshman in ubuntu, pl help me!
[09:42] <sohail-ahmed> thanks every body its working now.
[12:49] <xubuntu809> I am seeking some assistance with configuring xubuntu. I am successfully loading it onto a machine via a 64 gig usb thumb drive, but I am unable to access the internet with my Lan cable.
[12:50] <xubuntu809> I can pay a litecoin or bitcoin fee to anyone who is successfully able to get me connected.
[12:53] <xubuntu809> The green LED of the Lan port comes on, but Xubuntu does not recognize the connection.
[12:53] <xubuntu809> It reads, "Wired Network: Disconnected"
[12:55] <xubuntu809> Is no one able to help?
[12:56] <bekks> xubuntu809: Check dmesg
[12:58] <xubuntu809> Is dmesg a command for terminal?
[13:01] <xubuntu809> I am reading about dmesg. Is there an attribute that allows for the checking of lan connection specifically?
[13:02] <bekks> Type "dmesg" in a terminal.
[13:02] <bekks> Pull the cable, type it again. Plug it back in, type it again.
[13:05] <xubuntu809> okay, dmesg has been typed in the pre/post cable plugin routine as directed. As you'd expect, there's a boatload of on screen output.
[13:05] <xubuntu809> Is there some output I should assess?
[13:12] <sohail-ahmed> I  have xubuntu installed on a pc where my shift keys are broken. Therefore I want to use my right-control key for a shift key. What should I do to make this happen
[13:18] <xubuntu809> bekks, any other direction?
[13:20] <koegs> sohail-ahmed: xmodmap is the keyword :)
[13:29] <sohail-ahmed> koegs; After going though the info xmodmap quickly, I have tried xmodmap -e “Shift_L=Control_R” but it says 1 error encountered.
[13:35] <sohail-ahmed> koegs:I have also tried; xmodmap -e "keysym Shift_L = Control_L"
[13:46] <xubuntu809> Is anyone else interested and able to help me?
[13:48] <moultonr_> I want to search for files in thunar.  Is using catfish still the preferred method, or is there a better way?
[13:51] <sohail-ahmed> @moultonr_;  I am no expert but i use
[13:51] <sohail-ahmed> locate filename
[13:52] <sohail-ahmed> to find files
[13:52] <moultonr_> sohail-ahmed, I don't know what I'm looking for though.  I'm trying to find where Thunderbird sticks it's icons
[13:55] <sohail-ahmed> do locate thundarbird
[13:56] <sohail-ahmed> **thunderbird
[14:00] <Maaz> !hacking
[14:00] <Maaz> !hack
[14:10] <moultonr_> sohail-ahmed, all I see is the regular Thunderbird icon.
[14:13] <koegs> sohail-ahmed: you need to clear Control_R first
[14:16] <sohail-ahmed> thanks koegs for responding. So what I understood is that I need to first clear control-r and shift-r  and then do the mappings. The dashes represents underscores.
[14:20] <sohail-ahmed> moultonar;  i am not sure what exactly you are looking for but a quick search for thunderbird icons i found this folder /usr/share/icons/HighContrast/scalable/apps-extra/thunderbird-icon.svg
[14:24] <moultonr_> sohail-ahmed, I'm looking for a nice version of the trash can icon for a blog post I'm working on.  I've ended up using xmag to take a shot of my trash can, and I'm making a nice one in GIMP based on that
[14:28] <sohail-ahmed> moultar; http://www.softicons.com/free-icons/folder-icons/folder-icon-set-by-deleket/mozilla-thunderbird-icon
[15:09] <xubuntu066> I have tried booting to xubuntu from usb stick, but I can't get the internet to work. I am now trying ubuntu from usb stick, and any window I open fails to render graphics correctly. the video output looks jumbled. Can anyone help with this?
[15:54] <moultonr_> sohail-ahmed, http://fossfolks.com/how-to/when-you-can-not-empty-trash-in-thunderbird-with-imap-folders/  I ended up just making one...
[15:59] <sohail-ahmed> great
[16:55] <gemmaxubuntu> hello everybody, i just installed xubuntu in my old overclocked pIV and everything looks fine, everything seems to work, i choosed to install propietary drivers on install and to download updates. I have a nvidia graphics card, and the nvidia driver installed by default. Nevertheless, in the MENU, SYSTEM, i have 2 instances of NVIDIA X Server Settings, is that normal?
[16:57] <gemmaxubuntu> i took a look to the software center and searched for NVIDIA, the driver is installed is the version 96 (for old nvidia graphics) is that the driver i should use? is normal to have to instances of NVIDIA X Server Settings in my menu? Im running a GeForce4 MX 440 AGP8x
[16:59] <gemmaxubuntu> should i unninstall that driver (version 96) and install the "actual" or the version 173?? thank you in advance
[17:12] <ijotlines> whats up peoples.
[17:12] <ijotlines> o wow, this is logged? not cool. peace.
[17:13] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, newer version is in most cases better, but might not even work with all cards.
[17:14] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, as long as everything works for you, and you don't feel any slowness, i guess you are fine running what you are
[17:15] <gemmaxubuntu> im just concerned about having 2 instances of NVIDIA X Server Settings in my menu, and, if posible, may i try newer driver to see what happend or will my installation crash if not supported and then i have to reinstall xubuntu?
[17:16] <gemmaxubuntu> im just a bit slow in flash videos and games, of course not posible to watch HD flash enbeded
[17:16] <knome> the newer driver might break something, but it's highly unlikely you will have to reinstall. you might need to login from a text console to revert though
[17:16] <gemmaxubuntu> so may i just uninstall the driver, reboot, and try to install the new nvidia driver from the xubuntu software center?
[17:16] <sohail-ahmed> as for help see;
[17:16] <knome> have you installed some driver from outside the repositories? that might be one of the reasons you're seeing the item twice
[17:17] <sohail-ahmed> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2081649
[17:17] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, which xubuntu version are you running?
[17:17] <gemmaxubuntu> no, is default installation connected to internet and checking download updates and use third party software
[17:17] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, also re: slowness on videos, how much ram do you have?
[17:17] <gemmaxubuntu> lts full updated
[17:17] <gemmaxubuntu> 12.04
[17:18] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, run jockey (should be in the menu as "additional drivers"
[17:18] <gemmaxubuntu> i have 2gb ram, piv 2.4 overclocked 2.88 so i can use the 400 mem bus
[17:18] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, that should help you with the driver selection/installation
[17:21] <gemmaxubuntu> i runned additional drivers right after install, it shows i only need the nvidia driver wich is installed and active, i have the option to delete it from here, should i start there?
[17:21] <gemmaxubuntu> or should i unninstall from the software center better?
[17:22] <gemmaxubuntu> in jockey, it says this is the recommended driver
[17:22] <gemmaxubuntu> :(
[17:23] <gemmaxubuntu> i guess i wont be able to watch hd movies from my xubuntu, thats why i want to give it a try to one of the other 3 nvidia drivers
[17:23] <sohail-ahmed> gemmaxubuntu ;; have a look http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2081649
[17:24] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, the jockey interface should do whatever is needed re: removing/installing
[17:26] <gemmaxubuntu> sohail-ahmed: i read your link, it says i should install my drivers manually, is that means that there are more nvidia drivers than those on the repositories?
[17:29] <sohail-ahmed> gemmaxubuntu: its hard to pin point the issue, often the driver may not be the only issue. I Suggest you try various drivers as suugested by gemmaxubuntu and also put a look at nvidia config.
[17:29] <gemmaxubuntu> mmm, im going to unninstall the actual driver and make a reestart and reconnect to the IRC, then i will think wich driver to use, jockey seems to choose a proper driver, maybe i just cant watch hd with my currect hardware :( i tested a game (tremulous) and works perfectly, so i guess the driver is ok, i just dont like the 2 instances of nvidia xserver settings
[17:30] <gemmaxubuntu> i'll be back after uninstalling the jockey sugested driver, set  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2081649 to favourites to purge xserver xorg settings, and try a newer driver
[17:30] <gemmaxubuntu> thank you, brb
[17:34] <gemmaxubuntu> settings purged, nvidia driver uninstalled through software center (lol, i had to unninstall twice, now i understand my double xserver settings entrance in the menu :) ), im rebooting see what happend, brb
[17:45] <gemmaxubuntu> perfect, i uninstalled the nvidia driver and my xubuntu works perfectly, tested tremulous and worked also high quality, im goint to test a flash hd video on my browser to see if there is a difference. how do i know wich graphic driver im using now?
[17:46] <sohail-ahmed> use settings manger
[17:48] <gemmaxubuntu> incredible, with no nvidia drivers, flash hd video perform much better
[17:48] <gemmaxubuntu> were in the settings manager i can see the graphic driver?
[17:49] <sohail-ahmed> settings manager ... additional drivers
[17:51] <gemmaxubuntu> there i see im not using any aditional driver, so i guess im using xubuntu default driver (was that alsa or something like that) nevertheless additional drivers recommends me to install NVIDIA driver but my computer performs slower with that driver
[17:53] <gemmaxubuntu> i dont understand... :)
[17:53] <gemmaxubuntu> hope to be a linux geek! :)
[17:53] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, you should be happy that the open source drivers work well for you
[17:54] <gemmaxubuntu> yes i am happy
[17:54] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, there's no need to install the proprietary nvidia drivers in that case
[17:54] <gemmaxubuntu> so happy
[17:54] <gemmaxubuntu> i just dont understand why additional drivers recommend me to install the nvidia driver
[17:55] <gemmaxubuntu> i can watch now 720p videos on my browser and with the nvidia driver i could not
[17:55] <gemmaxubuntu> i should report to xubuntu?
[17:55] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, you just did. that's "normal"; for some people, the open source drivers work better
[17:56] <gemmaxubuntu> and just so i learn, how are the graphic open source drivers called? if they have a name, and, how do i play with the settings so i can choose performance over quality? if there is a way (disable antialising and those things)
[17:57] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, nouveau
[17:58] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, there isn't special controls, just the generic ones (see 'appearance' from the settings manager, also 'window manager' and 'window manager tweaks' which control some of that stuff)
[17:58] <knome> (not really related with the driver itself though)
[18:00] <gemmaxubuntu> i see many people having trouble with my same graphics card and most of them the go back to xubuntu 11 and install the propietary driver as recomended by xubuntu experts, also xubuntu recomends itself to install the nvidia driver and installs it by default if you check propietary drivers on install, how can i help those people so they just install xubuntu latest LTS version and use open source drivers wich perform better than t
[18:01] <knome> "xubuntu experts" being who? :)
[18:01] <gemmaxubuntu> sorry, just guessed, probably not so experts hehe
[18:01] <sohail-ahmed> gemmaxubuntu,, to play with your settings you need to have run sudo nvidia-settings , caution it may change you driver.
[18:01] <knome> sohail-ahmed, not with the open source driver.
[18:02] <gemmaxubuntu> nevertheless, xubuntu itself recommends me to install the propietary driver
[18:02] <sohail-ahmed> i agree knome, but in that case he cant have a full advantage of his card
[18:02] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, not sure if it should, but at least you are given the choice...
[18:02] <knome> sohail-ahmed, except that it was just confirmed the open source drivers work better.
[18:03] <knome> sohail-ahmed, please try to follow the discussion and not throw random links/comments
[18:03] <sohail-ahmed> ok. pulling back
[18:03] <gemmaxubuntu> sohail-ahmed: i dont understand "full advantage" concept, it is just performing better with open source drivers, is not that "full advantage"?
[18:04] <gemmaxubuntu> do you mean my graphic cars can do more things than just show the graphics on the screen?
[18:04] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, the open source drivers can't always enable all features your card supports with the proprietary drivers
[18:04] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, it's really up to you which driver is best for you
[18:05] <gemmaxubuntu> i understand, you mean things like "pixel shadowing etc"
[18:05] <gemmaxubuntu> but those things are normally only needed for gammers right?
[18:05] <knome> that's one example.
[18:06] <knome> in some cases, the proprietary drivers offer better speed
[18:06] <knome> but apparently not in your case
[18:06] <gemmaxubuntu> i dont think i can game on an old 2.4 pentium IV :)
[18:07] <gemmaxubuntu> linux repositories games (tremulous high quality, battle of westhnot...) works good
[18:08] <gemmaxubuntu> could you tell me an open source game from the repositories that should use some of those things my card should have so i can test it both with open source drivers and the nvidia drivers?
[18:08] <gemmaxubuntu> that would be the last test :)
[18:09] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, well, tremulous or battle of wesnoth, because those are the games you play. if they work better now than with the proprietary drivers, awesome
[18:09] <knome> that *is* the ultimate, personalized test
[18:09] <knome> you've passed
[18:10] <gemmaxubuntu> for now, for normal computer use, open office, flash videos, browsing the web, open source demonstrated better performance, nevertheless i would like to try a more high-end game, so i can see my self how it performs with both drivers, would you mind to tell me one of that kind of game wich i can find on the repositorie so i can do my final choose of propietarie or non propietary drivers?
[18:11] <knome> i would consider tremulous a solid test.
[18:11] <knome> disclaimer: i don't really game on linux/pc.
[18:11] <xubuntu897> I dont know what i shud use.. Xubuntu 12.04.4 or 13.10.. why use 12.04.4 instead of the newest ?
[18:11] <knome> xubuntu897, 12.04 is a long-term support version
[18:12] <gemmaxubuntu> knome: then im happy to keep my open source drivers!! thank you all open source programmers!
[18:12] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, no problem :) enjoy!
[18:13] <gemmaxubuntu> and, tell the xubuntu creators, not to recommend nvidia drivers for GeForce4 MX :)
[18:14] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, as i said, you told it yourself. i'm the sitting xubuntu project lead :)
[18:14] <gemmaxubuntu> oh! glad to meet you :)
[18:14] <knome> you too, always good to see/hear people who are happy with xubuntu
[18:16] <gemmaxubuntu> very happy! i dropped to the flor my i5 with ubuntu and broke, i had to use my old pIV, im so happy i have xubuntu to make it run smothly! :)
[18:25] <gemmaxubuntu> knome, nevertheless, in case i get the money to get a new agp8x graphics card, is there a list of the best one i can use with my xubuntu? since now are all pci express i guess it should be a winner in performance wich i may find trough ebay. I have no money for a new pc but i may try to get graphics for this old one i have a very good quality motherboard, case, cooling, and memory, i guess just upgrading my graphics (and maybe 
[18:26] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, i would just look for generic compatibility lists for linux. don't know if there's an exhaustive listing somewhere
[18:26] <gemmaxubuntu> ok, i will google it!
[18:26] <knome> gemmaxubuntu, i would still avoid optimus-cards, they still have more or less problems with linux
[18:29] <gemmaxubuntu> ok, i will take a look to compatibility lists and see, nevertheless if someone has the experience of a very good performing agp graphics cards under xubuntu, let me know!
[18:31] <gemmaxubuntu> and my last question (hehe, im having all the audience today, sorry) my motherboard has sata raid built in, may xubuntu be installed on a raid array? or do i need a floopy drivers disk like i used to do in windows years ago with this board?
[18:32] <knome> !raid
[18:32] <gemmaxubuntu> reading!
[18:43] <gemmaxubuntu> o no! fakeRaid, i never heard about, im goint to reboot and see my bios and raid set up to see if i have a real hardware raid or a fakeRaid, brb, thank you again
[18:59] <gemmaxubuntu> !raid
[19:22] <Thibaut73> Do a person speak french ?
[19:29] <gemmaxubuntu> buf, now i hate fakeRaid, and forget about raid, nevertheless i have a question not solved by ubottu links neither googling. If i use hard drives on my fakeraid sata connections but i do not define any array (so i dont use any Raid set) but each disk alone, is the data on those harddrives also only accesible by the same fakeraid controller? or is this data on those harddrives normal (ext4) and i can move my drive to other compu
[19:30] <gemmaxubuntu> im scared to plug my harddrives into the silicon sataRaid (fakeraid) connectors
[19:36] <gemmaxubuntu> i dont have an empty spare disk to test it my self, anyone has experience on Raid?
[19:40] <gemmaxubuntu> lets try to make the question easier to understand, can i use a fakeRaid sata interface or a hardware raid sata interface  as a normal sata interface without setting  Raid arrays so the hardisks plugged into it can be accessible in any other system without the same raid hardware in case of a system crash?
[19:43] <Amoxychillin> So you're asking if a fakeraid array would be readable by another machine plug n play?
[19:45] <gemmaxubuntu> no, im asking if those disk pluged on a fakeraid but not set into an array would be readable by another machine plug n play
[19:46] <Amoxychillin> No
[19:46] <gemmaxubuntu> so even if i dont set any array, the data would be modified by the controller?
[19:47] <gemmaxubuntu> and therefore i will need the same controller to access the data?
[19:48] <gemmaxubuntu> so those 4 SATA connectors on my motherboard (wich depend on the silicon sataraid controller) i cant use as a normal sata connectors?
[19:48] <Amoxychillin> In theory you could use dmraid to create another virtual controller and hope for the best.  Yet it's probably more trouble than its worth.
[19:50] <Amoxychillin> Yes they function as normal sata connections
[19:51] <Amoxychillin> They aren't "raid sata" controllers.  You would be using RAID configuration via the sata connections.   To my knowledge no such animal exists as a "RAID SATA"
[19:53] <gemmaxubuntu> im going to test it right now, i hope not to loose my data, im shutting off, pluging a disk into those connectors and see if i can access the data
[19:53] <gemmaxubuntu> brb
[19:53] <Amoxychillin> In my personal experience fakeraid configurations have always ended up costing me more time and effort than they were worth.
[19:53] <Amoxychillin> Good luck
[19:54] <gemmaxubuntu> ty
[20:05] <Amoxychillin> cim
[20:14] <gemmaxubuntu> i can access the data on my harddrive connected to the fakeraid connector, but i cant see the partitions in gparted
[20:14] <gemmaxubuntu> how curious
[20:15] <gemmaxubuntu> any clue to modify partitions on the disk trught xubuntu?
[20:16] <Amoxychillin> Curious how you can access the data yet the partitions dont "exist"
[20:16] <gemmaxubuntu> yes very curious
[20:16] <gemmaxubuntu> the partition can be mounted and unmounted and the data, ntfs is accesible
[20:18] <gemmaxubuntu> but nevertheless gparted sees the disk but it says there are no partitions
[20:18] <gemmaxubuntu> shows all the space as free, non partitioned
[20:19] <Amoxychillin> It has to just not recognize the file type th en
[20:19] <gemmaxubuntu> ah, no i see it
[20:20] <Amoxychillin> wrong physical drive selected?
[20:20] <gemmaxubuntu> it says "you cant make a partition out of the disk" on info
[20:20] <Amoxychillin> that makes more sense
[20:21] <gemmaxubuntu> and clicking new on the free space, it says, "there is no partition table"
[20:21] <gemmaxubuntu> i have plugged only two identical disk
[20:22] <gemmaxubuntu> one running xubuntu and parted and the other one wich i can access the data of the only partition it has but i cant touch partition table on gparted
[20:22] <gemmaxubuntu> and shows there is no partitions :)
[20:23] <gemmaxubuntu> at least i can access the data
[20:23] <Amoxychillin> Well that means that everything you wanted to accomplish is working
[20:23] <gemmaxubuntu> exactly
[20:23] <gemmaxubuntu> :)
[20:23] <Amoxychillin> You can't damage the partition or formatting on your secondary machine, yet the data is available.  So when you return it to the original machine all is well
[20:23] <Amoxychillin> :)
[20:23] <gemmaxubuntu> it is working as a normal drive on a fakeraid connection
[20:23] <Amoxychillin> Lucky dog
[20:24] <gemmaxubuntu> i havent try to write on it yet, lets me see
[20:24] <gemmaxubuntu> writeable aswell
[20:25] <gemmaxubuntu> :)
[20:25] <Amoxychillin> Question is will it rebuild the raid once its returned
[20:25] <Amoxychillin> It should
[20:25] <gemmaxubuntu> but it is not part of a raid
[20:26] <Amoxychillin> thats right youy didnt assign anything
[20:26] <gemmaxubuntu> i have not selected the disk as a member of an array
[20:26] <gemmaxubuntu> but somehow still readeable by xubuntu :)
[20:27] <gemmaxubuntu> i can part it connecting to my dvd sata conector and then put it back to fake raid and use it, nive
[20:27] <gemmaxubuntu> nice*
[20:28] <gemmaxubuntu> im going to try with another drive wich is parted, lets see if all partitions are mounted brb
[20:28] <Amoxychillin> alright
[20:28] <gemmaxubuntu> not hotplug, so it will take a while :)
[20:28] <gemmaxubuntu> brb
[20:40] <gemmaxubuntu> nice
[20:40] <gemmaxubuntu> i guess im really missing the partition table on the other drive
[20:40] <gemmaxubuntu> :)
[20:41] <gemmaxubuntu> i connected another drive to the fakeraid connections and it is fully functional
[20:41] <gemmaxubuntu> even trough gparted
[20:42] <gemmaxubuntu> should i fsck the failing drive in gparted?
[20:43] <gemmaxubuntu> i dont have enought spare space to copy the data though, is it to dangerous?
[20:44] <gemmaxubuntu> no partition table but data is accesible and one partition mounted
[20:47] <gemmaxubuntu> nevertheless im happy i found out you can use fakeRaid sata connectors as a normal sata intefaces aslong as you dont set the disk as part of an array :)
[20:48] <gemmaxubuntu> any clue on how xubuntu is finding my partition and i can access the data if no partition table is present on the disk?
[20:52] <bekks> gemmaxubuntu: sudo lsblk
[21:00] <xubuntu159> so I am installing voyager 12.04  & it keeps trying to draw from Medibuntu
[21:00] <xubuntu159> >_>
[21:00] <xubuntu159> <_<
[21:00] <xubuntu159> >_>
[21:00] <xubuntu159> WTF?
[21:01] <bekks> Your keyboard is broken.
[21:02] <xubuntu159> clearly
[21:02] <xubuntu159> anyway, Getting a lot of 404s while installing & a lot of "something wicked happened"
[21:03] <xubuntu159> making me kinda nervous
[21:04] <bekks> Then pastebin the entire output, and give us the URL.
[21:04] <xubuntu159> ok
[21:05] <gemmaxubuntu> bekks, thank you, lsblk shows in that disk it should be another partition wich is not mounted
[21:06] <gemmaxubuntu> proably corrupted
[21:06] <gemmaxubuntu> i dont care about since i know there was my old OS, so only the Data partition is mounted
[21:07] <xubuntu159> It wont let me copy the output & its stuck @ 126 of 137
[21:07] <xubuntu159> -_-
[21:07] <xubuntu159> Im starting to think eff this, & go back to Pinguy
[21:09] <gemmaxubuntu> so bekks, trully my partition table is corrupted, is there a way to rebuild it?
[21:10] <bekks> gemmaxubuntu: Restore your backup of the partition table.
[21:10] <gemmaxubuntu> :) i have no back up
[21:10] <bekks> Then you dont have any valuable important data on that disk.
[21:11] <gemmaxubuntu> yes i do, to much
[21:11] <gemmaxubuntu> not on the first partition wich is not mounted, but yes on the second one
[21:11] <gemmaxubuntu> wich is 450gb
[21:11] <gemmaxubuntu> uff
[21:11] <bekks> You dont, you dont have a backup. Copy all stuff you to some other disk, and recreate a partitiontable along with all filesystems you want.
[21:11] <gemmaxubuntu> i will plug all my disks to see i have enough space
[21:12] <gemmaxubuntu> so im so lucky the data partition is mounted... puff
[21:14] <gemmaxubuntu> to much data, to less money.... i guess i will have to delete some data...
[21:14] <gemmaxubuntu> in spain is legal and free to download music :)
[21:15] <bekks> So thats redownloadable.
[21:15] <gemmaxubuntu> exactly
[21:15] <bekks> And not valuable or important at all.
[21:15] <gemmaxubuntu> the only importance is that in spain we still have copper pair connection :(
[21:16] <gemmaxubuntu> imagine how many months of downloading hehe
[21:16] <bekks> Depends on the bandwidth.
[21:16] <gemmaxubuntu> i will make a purge, what else
[21:16] <bekks> Copper ethernet goes up to 40Gb/s
[21:17] <gemmaxubuntu> not in spain jaja, you are lucky if you get 6Mb of your 10Mb max contract
[21:17] <gemmaxubuntu> installations are owfull, lots of noise, copper pair with electricity cables, nodes far... etc
[21:19] <gemmaxubuntu> i pray for optic fiber reaching home soon :)
[21:20] <gemmaxubuntu> nevertheless i will delete what doesnt fit in other drives, what else, then, how i part my drive again? gparted does not let me do anything on that drive
[21:22] <bekks> gemmaxubuntu: Because a partition from that drive is is use currently.
[21:23] <gemmaxubuntu> no i tried before backing up to unmount
[21:24] <gemmaxubuntu> gparted tells me there is no partition table, therefore "i cant part outside of the disk"
[21:24] <gemmaxubuntu> it shows the disk as empty, not parted, but i cant create partitions
[21:26] <bekks> gemmaxubuntu: Then put a disk label on it, first, using fdisk.
[21:46] <gemmaxubuntu> bekks, yes i guess that is the problem, the first partition of the disk has no label
[21:46] <gemmaxubuntu> then i dont see it on desktop then i can unmount it
[21:46] <bekks> Partitions never have labels at all.
[21:46] <bekks> Filesystem might have labels, but those labels are optional.
[21:47] <bekks> And I was talking about a new partition table, which is called "disk label", too.
[21:47] <gemmaxubuntu> mmm, then, lets me wait to finish backing up and then i ask again to try to solve the problem
[21:47] <bekks> And since you are seeing partitions on that disk, your partition table cant be corrupted.
[21:47] <gemmaxubuntu> uff so everytime im more lost :)
[21:48] <gemmaxubuntu> gparted tells me there is no partition table on the disk
[21:48] <gemmaxubuntu> but lsblk shows the two partitions
[21:48] <bekks> Forget gparted.
[21:48] <gemmaxubuntu> okeys
[21:49] <gemmaxubuntu> 14min to finish backing up what it is important
[21:49] <gemmaxubuntu> then i try with fdisk
[21:54] <gemmaxubuntu> im sorry to continue bothering, i will like to learn, if i should forget gparted, that mean my disk may be ok and not corrupted?
[21:54] <gemmaxubuntu> lsblk shows sdb with its two original partitions
[21:54] <gemmaxubuntu> nevertheless on my desktop only one is mounted by default
[21:55] <gemmaxubuntu> this partition is sdb2, how do i access sdb1?
[21:57] <gemmaxubuntu> (i mean as mounted, showed as an icon on my dektop) i just learned is not the same thing :)
[22:27] <CraHan> Hi, I'd like to report a bug (and possible fix) in plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo. Unfortunately https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo doesn't seem to exist. Any tips on where to file it?
[22:28] <Unit193> CraHan: Sure, but first what's the issue?
[22:28] <Unit193> xubuntu-artwork is the source package.
[22:28] <CraHan> It's nothing special. The plymouth theme prints out messages at the bottom of the screen. One after the other starting at the bottom
[22:28] <CraHan> the bug is that the first message is printed at the top and only starting from the second message is it coming up from the bottom
[22:29] <CraHan> the reason is the message list array is not initialised
[22:29] <Unit193> Ah, that.  If you'd like, you can also bzr branch and then later propose a merge.
[22:29] <Unit193> ochosi: Here?
[22:29] <Unit193> But yes, it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork
[22:30] <CraHan> ah that's the package. Great
[22:30] <CraHan> The fix is basically to fill the msgs_line array with Sprites containing an empty string
[22:31] <CraHan> so when you do a GetHeight on an array element there's a sprite in there it actually can get a height from
[22:31] <CraHan> at least after I added that it now starts printing messages from the bottom and moves them up
[22:32] <CraHan> as I would expect
[22:32] <CraHan> If that makes any sense at all? :)
[22:32] <Unit193> Yes.  Right now, it places them terribly on this screen, but I don't see it that often.
[22:33] <CraHan> I use dm-crypt and when I type the wrong password and then the correct password it happens.
[22:34] <CraHan> or is visible. Anyway. I'll start with reporting the bug on the xubuntu-artwork page. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!
[22:34] <Unit193> No problem, thank you.
[22:53] <cody_> hello
[23:12] <CraHan> Unit193: I sent a merge request. My first time working with bzr and sending a merge request on launchpad so I hope everything went correctly :)
[23:13] <ochosi> CraHan: hey there, i wasn't around before
[23:13] <ochosi> i'm usually in charge of the artwork stuff in xubuntu
[23:13] <CraHan> hi ochosi
[23:13] <ochosi> the plymouth theme wasn't written by me though
[23:13] <ochosi> i looked into it a while ago
[23:14] <CraHan> I filed a bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/1277976
[23:14] <ochosi> the author is rowboatnick
[23:14] <CraHan> And while I was at it I decided to take a stab at pulling in the project with bzr and sending a merge request :)
[23:15] <ochosi> nice
[23:15] <CraHan> Do I update the bug report with the info about the merge request?
[23:15] <ochosi> hm, yeah, that doesn't look very elegant :)
[23:15] <CraHan> I know :)
[23:15] <ochosi> yeah, go ahaed
[23:15] <ochosi> ahead
[23:15] <CraHan> there's probably a nicer way to fix this.
[23:16] <ochosi> yeah, i don't know too much about plymouth's scripting language
[23:16] <ochosi> it always seemed a bit odd to me
[23:16] <CraHan> Well, same here to be honest.
[23:16] <ochosi> rowboatnick: can you take a quick look at this? ^
[23:19] <rowboatnick> ochosi: ye, im aware of this bug
[23:19] <rowboatnick> I even fixed it, but Im not sure i have that code anymore
[23:23] <foggalong> In all this time it had never occurred to me that there might be a separate IRC for xubuntu
[23:25] <ochosi> rowboatnick: would be great if you could check whether you still have that code, or whether you're able to rewrite it
[23:26] <rowboatnick> ochosi: he's correct about the issue, the problem is just that its uninitialized
[23:26] <rowboatnick> the fix is simply to make sure its allocated
[23:27] <rowboatnick> you could set it to Sprite objects or just NULL
[23:28] <ochosi> my problem is that i never see any messages in plymouth
[23:28] <ochosi> because i never see plymouth
[23:28] <rowboatnick> msgs_line = [NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL]
[23:28] <ochosi> 1) i have a ssd, so my boot-process is too fast, 2) i'm using proprietary drivers atm
[23:29] <rowboatnick> hehe
[23:29] <CraHan> I can update the code and send a new merge request if that's ok?
[23:29] <CraHan> replace what I proposed now with what rowboatnick said above
[23:29] <rowboatnick> CraHan: if you want to merge your code, please test it first too
[23:29] <CraHan> The merge request I sent now works, but I'll try your suggestion, test it and then send a new merge request
[23:30] <CraHan> It's quite a bit more elegant :)
[23:30] <rowboatnick> If you use my method, you have to make sure the SetPosition does not operate if an index is NULL
[23:30] <rowboatnick> if you feel like it, just switch your code to using []
[23:30] <CraHan> ok, good to know
[23:30] <rowboatnick> instead of one seperate lines
[23:31] <Unit193> ochosi: I'm using proprietary drivers and see it, the i915 on the crappy computer is where I get the "real" plymouth.
[23:31] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, not sure, not working here with nvidia
[23:31] <Unit193> nvidia here too. :/
[23:32] <rowboatnick> acctually, I would advise using NULL checks, because changing Sprite text is annoying :P
[23:32] <CraHan> Thanks for the help rowboatnick, ochosi
[23:33] <ochosi> no problem, thanks for finding the bug and looking into it!
[23:33] <ochosi> (only very few ppl do that, most just whine ;))
[23:33] <Unit193> Hey! ;)
[23:33] <ochosi> hehe
[23:33] <ochosi> well i wasn't pointing any fingers though, was i?
[23:34] <ochosi> :)
[23:35] <MrTulias> Hi
[23:35] <Unit193> Howdy.
[23:36] <ochosi> ahoj
[23:38] <CraHan> Ok, implemented rowboatnick's fix (including checking for NULL values before using setPosition on msgs_list items). Looks like it's working correctly. I'll update the request.
[23:41] <MrTulias> I have to add a few lines in the configuration x to run well the mouse ... Should I add them to the file /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf/50-vmmouse.conf? This is what I have to add http://paste.ubuntu.com/6900173/
[23:43] <MrTulias> */usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[23:47] <brainwash> MrTulias: or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ which is the recommended location
[23:52] <CraHan> ochosi, rowboatnick merge request should now be updated with your suggestion. Tested it and it seems to be behaving as expected.
[23:56] <ochosi> CraHan: sounds good, but i want at least one other person to test this successfully
[23:56] <CraHan> of course
[23:56] <ochosi> breaking plymouth could be bad
[23:56] <ochosi> and unfortunately i can't be that person, as i mentioned
[23:56] <ochosi> so we'll have to look for someone else
[23:57] <CraHan> I would definitely like more people to test it first.
[23:57] <MrTulias> Thanks brainwash, but I d'ont see that folder... Have I to create it?
[23:57] <CraHan> Wouldn't want my first merge request to lock people out of their machines :)
[23:59] <ochosi> CraHan: indeed :)