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valorienow I just google, but google didn't exist then00:00
valorieand altavista wasn't a lot of help00:00
ronnocthe help center IS an application, not a document :p00:00
valorieright00:01
valorieand yet, there it sits, unmaintained00:02
* valorie votes for ronnoc as maintainer00:02
ronnocI feel your pain valorie. As much fun as has been made over the years about Clippy the paperclip from MS Office, everyone used that little metal guy at some point or another00:03
valorieI didn't, but then I stopped using windows about then00:03
ronnocI would in a heartbeat if I could code a lick00:03
valorieit was openoffice for me even in win00:04
ronnocme too except ay work. I switched in 2006 to OOo and clippy was circa office 2002/3 iirc00:04
valoriei need to blog about the unloved projects; I'll add khelpcenter00:04
ronnocawesome00:05
* Riddell snoozes00:09
=== Mobildug_ is now known as Mobildug
ahoneybun_valorie: you on?05:22
valorieyep, just got back from my dad's05:23
valoriehave you read up?05:23
ahoneybun_Nice no I'm on my phone at the gfs house05:23
valorieok05:23
ahoneybun_Can you tell me valorie ?05:28
valoriesure, I'll paste for ya05:30
valoriedid I paste that to the correct nick?05:34
ahoneybun_Yep thanks05:34
jarkko_i have 4 system crash notifications running now, usually 3 when i boot pc..is this normal???07:54
valorieNO08:12
Peace-?08:12
valorieas you knew, any crashes is not normal08:12
Peace-valorie: i am doing some stuff with my script 08:12
Peace-ah ok 08:12
Peace-:d08:12
valorie3 or 4 is bizarre08:12
Peace-valorie: kde version ?08:12
valoriejarkko_ is the one with the crashes08:13
Peace-ok08:13
* valorie has a boring system that Just Works08:13
valorieback to the olympics08:13
Peace-valorie: me too :D08:13
jarkko_kde is the latest that comes from kubuntu ninjas...08:15
jarkko_but the system seem to work08:15
Peace-jarkko_: kde version ?08:16
Peace-jarkko_: ppa ?08:16
jarkko_4.12.208:16
Peace-jarkko_: i have 4.11 it's rock solid08:16
Peace-jarkko_: as you should know 4.12.2 it's the new kde and it's not stable as 4.11 series08:17
Peace-jarkko_:  i did not upgrade kde because i needed a stable system and 4.11 it's rock solid08:17
jarkko_well i am just curious if some other has those errors on each reboot08:17
valorieoh, I guess my system isn't perfect: I have to close the lid after rebooting to get any light on my display08:20
valoriewhich is pretty weird08:20
valoriebut once I login the second time, everything is peachy08:21
valorieback to skating....08:21
* Peace- message08:24
jussiwhen is freeze (for my activity thing ?) 08:27
jussiI forget...08:28
jussinever mind, backsroll ftw08:34
* Peace- message08:50
* Peace- slaps with a channel operator peace08:51
apacheloggerRiddell: the reason rewrite doesn't happen is because it's a lot of work because everyone and their grandma have a different format that you need to pipe into one spot to get complete documentation 08:52
valoriewhat is that "message"08:52
Peace-sorry guys i was tesitng 08:52
valorieok08:52
Peace-i will quit08:52
apacheloggernamely something like docbook(kde) html(kde/gnome) mallard(gnome) man (everything)08:53
jussiapachelogger: I sent the message to plasma devel and kde promo, as both of those should be involved. Hopefully we get a timely response.08:53
apacheloggerso you end up implementing ontop of KIO which is in itself a monster or, or you rewrite parsers that only work in KHC08:54
apacheloggerwhich is also shit08:54
apacheloggerronnoc_: I think people greatly underapreciate that 1GB (or even DVD size) is not infinite08:54
apacheloggerif you argue that every documentation is on bord we are probably talking *at least* 100 mib just for that08:55
apacheloggerthen there's the thing that documentation for non-SC applications is not bundled by language08:56
apacheloggerso the more screenshots, and the more translations the more space we are looking at08:56
valorieI don't think he was arguing for that, but rather making khelpcenter make it easy to get the docs if wanted08:56
apacheloggerthen there's people saying we should ship the major translations (which I also not disagree with FWIW), but I think -de -fr -es -ru will probably amount to *at least* another 100 mib08:57
valorieit's all a balancing act, for sure08:57
apacheloggerthen there's people that would like to have the unrestricted upstream artwork on the ISO (wallpapers primarily), another 100 mib down the drain08:57
apacheloggervalorie: <ronnoc> apachelogger: however since we now only ship iso's on DVD size, I think any available help docs should be installed by default if the application is to come on the standard iso, size be dammed :)08:58
apacheloggerputting everything on the dvd is exactly what he proposed :P08:58
apacheloggerand everyone keeps proposing that08:58
apacheloggerfrom different sides of the isle08:58
valorieah, ok08:59
valoriei missed that08:59
apacheloggerand I am sitting in the middle with a spinning head because 1gib as it turns out is not nearly enough space to even accomodate our current software (i.e. I had to scrap stuff to get the iso size to 1gib :P)08:59
* valorie does not advocate that08:59
apacheloggerI think KDE tech in general just has a problem with scaling that ought to be addressed at some point09:00
valorieI advocated ronnoc to fix khelpcenter instead09:00
apacheloggerit's this very basic assumption of every application "everything I need will be here"09:00
valorieindeed09:00
apacheloggerwhich from a source distributors POV is a very true assumption, it doesn't quite hold true in real life though ^^09:00
apacheloggerat the end of the day all of this eventually falls back to the issue I keep complaining about once a year09:01
valorie{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} to apachelogger09:01
apacheloggerwe have no tech that allows one to install a 'capability' in a distribution independent fashion09:01
apacheloggerlike exactly the patches we carry... installing more screensavers, installing more wallpapers, installing flash etc. etc.09:02
* apachelogger rehugs valorie and gets some coffee09:02
valorieas long as it's easy to get asciiaquarium, I'm happy09:03
valoriedoesn't have to be included09:04
apacheloggerlol09:04
apacheloggerjussi: I think you got stuck in moderation ^^09:05
jussiI think we need to stop talking about legacy media types... does anyone even install from dvd anymore? 09:05
jussiI dont even have an optical drive anymore09:06
jussiapachelogger: that I did..., ahve to just wait09:06
valorieyes, some people are still using older computers09:07
valoriepeople still ask for DVDs at linuxfest NW09:07
jussiWe have 1GB size for a 1gb USb stick right, not for DVD's. If it were for DVD's, there should be n reason not to make it up to 4.3GB09:07
valoriewe only burn them when folks request them though09:07
valoriewe burn thumb drives too if people ask09:08
apacheloggerjussi: ok, noted09:09
apacheloggervalorie: what ought to happen is get usb sticks really ;)09:10
valorieit's pretty hard to find a one gig drive09:10
valoriethey are almost all 4 or 809:10
jussigo to any trade show and pick up all the free ones :P09:10
apacheloggerjussi: fwiw though, I am on a rubbish connection so downloading even 1Gib is already a PITA ^^09:10
apacheloggervalorie: yeah, promo drives are almost always 1gib09:11
apacheloggerat least in the empire of europe09:11
valorie$4 for a 1gig at amazon.com09:11
valorieif you buy 1009:12
apacheloggervalorie: get 500 of them ^^09:12
valorieheh, 2 gb ones are like 4.5009:13
apacheloggervalorie: http://www.flashbay.com/09:15
valoriewould be nice to have kubuntu ones to hand out/sell09:17
jarkko_would it be possible to sell some usb sticks via kubuntu.org?09:35
jarkko_with preinstalled kubuntu?09:36
valoriepre-installed?09:36
valorieor do you mean a live USB09:36
jarkko_yes09:39
valoriesure, we'd just have to shop around a bit, and get a small bunch to test09:39
valoriesomeone would have to burn them probably09:39
valoriewhich takes time and work09:39
kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [1035883] drkonqi crashed with SIGABRT in qt_message_output() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035883 (by R3vo tester)09:44
tsimpsonnot a good sign when the crash handler crashes09:55
valorieapachelogger: I will think about your usb idea, and maybe bring it to the council10:10
valorieniters all10:10
jussiPrices for Europe are similar... 2 GB/4,60€/kpl 4 Gb 4.85€/kpl 8Gb 4.95€/kpl10:27
jussiminimum 15010:27
Riddelljussi: your stickers were popular at fosdem10:30
apacheloggershadeslayer: oh, I think kf5 daily still needs testing for promotion this week11:29
jussiRiddell: nice, glad they were appreciated :)11:55
ghostcubeo/12:20
BluesKajHowdy folks12:20
shadeslayerapachelogger: ok13:48
shadeslayer!testers | KDE SC 4.12.2 for saucy in kubuntu-ppa/staging16:34
ubottuKDE SC 4.12.2 for saucy in kubuntu-ppa/staging: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley  for information16:34
* mamarley has already been testing it since it was in -ninjas. No problems to report :)16:35
shadeslayermamarley: 4.12.2 for saucy was never in ninjas16:42
shadeslayermamarley: can you check if kde-full installs fine for you16:42
mamarleyDarn, I thought it said Trusty.  Well, I have got a couple of Saucy systems I can install it on.16:43
mamarleyshadeslayer: Is "kde-full" on Saucy or Trusty?  Or both?16:43
shadeslayersaucy16:43
shadeslayeryofel: any reason why akonadi is built with boost 1.46?16:45
shadeslayerfor precise16:45
yofelbecause that's the default version to precise, you need to use the versioned build-deps for precise so it picks up 1.4816:45
shadeslayerright16:46
shadeslayerthat I'm doing right now16:46
shadeslayerbut just wanted to confirm if it was there for a particular reason16:46
yofeldon't think so16:46
shadeslayerfwiw kate-precise hooks were screwed16:47
shadeslayerran sed -i debian/control16:47
shadeslayerer, rules16:47
shadeslayersomeone care to clean the backports ppa? :P16:47
shadeslayerit's full16:47
yofelthat's a problem?16:48
shadeslayerwill copying work with a full repo?16:48
yofelyou can probably wipe anything raring in there16:48
yofelit will16:48
shadeslayeraha cool16:48
yofelwhat was screwed about kate though?16:49
yofelah damn16:49
shadeslayerhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation/revision/31416:49
yofelthanks for fixing 1116:49
yofel... ^^16:49
shadeslayernp16:49
shadeslayeryofel: http://udoo.org/16:50
yofelsweet :D16:51
shadeslayerquite :)16:51
shadeslayerI'm so conflicted between a udoo and a cubox i16:52
shadeslayerthough the cubox i won't start shipping for another 2 months I think16:53
shadeslayergreat16:55
shadeslayerI think my external drive is dead16:55
shadeslayerRiddell: please add https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-driver-manager to kubuntu-bugs17:37
Riddellmm, how do I do that again?17:40
shadeslayerno clue17:42
shadeslayermaybe I should subscribe kubuntu-bugs to kubuntu-driver-manager ?17:43
shadeslayerRiddell: https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-driver-manager/+subscribe17:43
shadeslayerI don't see kubuntu-bugs in there17:44
Riddelloh yes, I see it, subscribed17:49
* BluesKaj is testing saucy after installing the saucy ppa staging ppa, all is well , so far17:51
shadeslayerRiddell: maybe subscribe https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/about-distro and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-config-whoopsie too17:53
Quintasanhttp://www.muktware.com/2014/02/debian-technical-committee-votes-systemd-upstart/2078018:07
Quintasanoh lol18:07
QuintasanI wonder what's going to happen now.18:07
BluesKajhmm, my vpn server fails to connect after the saucy ppa staging and resulting upgrade was installed18:15
shadeslayerRiddell: plz review blog post if you have the time18:16
ahoneybunronnoc: that would be great 18:16
* ahoneybun checks email18:17
* Peace- slaps Riddell with a thermonuclear weapon. Ye haw18:18
Peace-ops :D it works :D18:18
shadeslayermamarley: any issues?18:18
mamarleySorry, haven't installed it yet.  Doing so now...18:18
shadeslayeroh ok18:18
mamarleyOh wait, it is in Staging?  The one that says "For the love of the blue gears, DO NOT USE."?18:21
shadeslayeryes18:21
shadeslayeronly use if someone asks to test :)18:21
shadeslayernever for production use18:21
mamarleyMy only Saucy systems are in production :(18:22
shadeslayeroh hmm18:23
ahoneybunapachelogger: so we are debating about iso sizes?18:35
* ahoneybun will get some 14.04 screenshots valorie19:50
philwyettEvening all. Do we know when daily ISO generation will resume?20:00
ahoneybunvalorie apachelogger Riddell the installation slides have been updated with images from alpha 220:27
lordievaderGood evening.21:10
ahoneybunhey lordievader21:10
shadeslayerevening :)21:11
lordievaderHey ahoneybun, shadeslayer. How are you guys?21:12
shadeslayertired21:12
ahoneybungood21:12
* ahoneybun notices that not a lot of people use /away22:11
* yofel tends to never use that.22:15
yofel Quassel has auto-away on client-close, but as I often leave my notebook running at home it's not very useful22:15
yofelahoneybun: btw. I'm sorry for not looking at tomahawk the last few days. A cold + stress at work are not a good mixture for motivation :(22:16
ahoneybunyofel: its fine, life happens :)22:16
yofelwhat was that about iso sizes btw.?22:18
ahoneybunyofel: that amarok-doc is not installed by default because of the size22:18
yofelah right, that indeed was the reason IIRC22:18
yofelactually, it was the reason to make that package in the first place22:19
ahoneybunhow do I make a new branch on lp?22:19
yofelyou branch the current one then push to a different location22:20
ahoneybunI have a one for saucy but need a new one for trusty22:20
yofellp will auto-create the branch on push22:20
ahoneybunbzr push lp:~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/trusty?22:20
yofelyep22:20
ahoneybunbzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/aaron/Documents/Kubuntu Work/Docs/lp/trusty/".22:20
yofelis that a bzr repository?22:21
ahoneybunthe dict?22:21
shadeslayerkubuntu-docs as a project needs to exist22:21
ahoneybunfolder22:21
yofelthe folder, yes22:21
yofelif not, 'bzr init' will be required first22:21
ahoneybunI see22:21
yofelbut why aren't you branching from saucy?22:21
ahoneybunhow so?22:21
ahoneybunI did22:21
ahoneybunbzr branch lp:~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/saucy 22:22
yofeljust 'bzr branch ..' the saucy branch, rename folder to trusty and push22:22
ahoneybunI did that22:22
ahoneybunoh22:22
yofelthat way you'll keep the history22:22
* ahoneybun always forgets his id_rsa passphrase22:23
ahoneybunuploading22:26
ahoneybunor something22:26
ahoneybunyofel: thing apachelogger will mind if I use his git branch in my lp branch?22:27
ahoneybun*think22:27
yofeluh... as I don't know which branches you're talking about: no idea22:28
ahoneybungit://anongit.kde.org/scratch/sitter/kubuntu-docs22:28
yofelprobably... not22:30
yofelwhy's that even on kde git o.O22:30
ahoneybunI removed all the old folders and added what apachelogger made22:35
ahoneybunhow do I get my changes to show>22:35
yofelcommit and push?22:38
ahoneybunI used "bzr add 'file/folder name'"22:39
ahoneybunok got it22:40
ahoneybunpe22:41
ahoneybunpushing22:42
ahoneybunuploaded22:53
ahoneybunapachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/trusty/+merge/20551122:59
soee_guys do you have problems with Gstreamer for phonon ?23:27
soee_like you cant change volume inside app only through kmix ?23:27
soee_on vlc all works fine23:27
ahoneybunFn + Vol + and - don't work23:28
ahoneybunfor me I have to use kmix23:28
soee_with GStreamer ?23:29
ahoneybunum let me check23:29
ahoneybunI have not changed that23:29
soee_i tested now with VLC backend andd works fine]23:29
ahoneybungstreamer23:30
soee_:) can you change to VLC ?23:30
soee_and test23:30
ahoneybunwhat is the package name?23:30
soee_phonon-backend-vlc23:30
ahoneybundownloading/installing23:31
=== soee_ is now known as soee
ahoneybunstill nothing23:35
ahoneybunstill nothing23:35
ahoneybunstill have sound23:35
ahoneybunnow there is a vlc icon for amarok in kmix23:36
soeedid you change backend to VLS in system settings and logout/login ?23:38
soee*VLC23:38
ahoneybunyes23:40
soeestrange :?23:40
ahoneybunyea23:52

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