[01:35] <Plio> I know 14.04 is pretty much on a daily release, but is it stable enough for a production machine yet?
[01:36] <pietro10> Hi. In Kubuntu 14.04 with kde-config-gtk and gtk[23]-engines-oxygen, font rendering does not look like it does in KDE programs. Firefox, however, has perfect font rendering. How do I fix this? Thanks.
[01:36] <k1l> Plio: if you need to ask that the answer is just: no
[01:36] <k1l> Plio: it is quite stable, but there is no intention to keep it stable while in dev release. so no, no production systems suggested
[01:37] <Plio> kil: Cool, thanks. I'd love to install 12.04 LTS, but I really like the ability to close windows when using windows spread. Not sure if there's any way to do that.
[04:59] <jKlaus> Hey, is anyone here running 14.04?
[04:59] <jKlaus> if so, thoughts?
[05:00] <jKlaus> brb
[05:03] <genii> jKlaus: I'm on Kubuntu 14.04 and enjoying it thus far
[05:03] <jKlaus> genii, perhaps I'll download ubuntu 14.04 then
[05:03] <jKlaus> I doubt we'll see any bug fixes that can't be updated later..
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:06] <jack> salut
[13:07] <jack> now if i want to upgrade a saucy install to trusty
[13:07] <jack> how would i start?
[13:08] <jack> is there a meta-pkg that dep-forces all the rest to newest?
[13:10] <jack> or do i only need to edit sources.list and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[13:10] <bekks> Neither nor.
[13:10] <jack> huh?
[13:10] <bekks> Use: do-release-upgrade -d
[13:10] <jack> after fixing sources.list?
[13:11] <bekks> No.
[13:11] <bekks> Dont touch the sources manually.
[13:11] <jack> does it as well? cool
[13:11] <k1l> jack: no "fixing" needed on ubuntu. we got routines for that.
[13:11] <jack> :)
[13:12] <jack> i still had to append a few entries
[13:12] <jack> like for google-chrome
[13:12] <k1l> hmm.
[13:12] <bekks> Remove all PPA before.
[13:13] <k1l> dont put them into the sources.list. on ubuntu they get entries in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[13:13] <jack> or adobe...because of the flash plugin
[13:13] <bekks> Uninstall all software instakled from PPA as well prior update.
[13:13] <jack> ok, thx
[13:15] <christoffer> Anyone else have any issues with printing in Xubuntu 14.04? ...when trying to print test page to network cups server it starts to print infinite empty pages
[13:16] <penguin42> christoffer: I'd check /var/log/cups to see if there are any errors
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[13:18] <christoffer> penguin42, already done that, that's why I'm asking if someone here has had any similiar problems
[13:18] <christoffer> as I haven't found any problem/error messages
[13:22] <TJ-> christoffer: It's worth looking inside the spooled files to see what, exactly, is being sent to the printer
[14:41] <shadeslayer> pietro10: kde-config-touchpad should now be unbroken ( package still needs building and migration )
[14:41] <shadeslayer> pietro10: let me know if dist-upgrade still wants to remove it
[14:55] <BluesKaj> kde-touchpad is working here after a reboot
[15:12] <TJ-> Grrr! "grub-install: error: attempt to install to encrypted disk without cryptodisk enabled. Set `GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=1' in file `/etc/default/grub'." ... and yet it is specified!
[18:34] <mnemoc> hi, I upgraded to xubuntu 14.04 and the mouse pointer in my secondary display (VGA) is deform and followed by a black box... any hint of who can be responsible?
[18:34] <penguin42> graphics driver
[18:35] <penguin42> mnemoc: You can probably make it work again by setting the SWCursor option in an Xorg.conf fragment
[18:35] <mnemoc> I tried using xorg-edgers and still same problem... radeon
[18:36] <mnemoc> thanks, I'll try that
[18:36] <penguin42> mnemoc: OK, so reporting it to the upstream Radeon lists
[18:37] <mnemoc> is it ok to use radeon for an amd apu a5?
[18:38]  * penguin42 doesn't know
[18:38] <penguin42> I'd expect it to work, but there again I came across someones laptop with a very knew APU that refused to boot 13.10
[18:39] <penguin42> mnemoc: If you're only problem is the mouse pointer the SWCursor thing should work as a fix
[18:39] <mnemoc> i didn't get a display in 13.10 until I installed the xorg-edgers ppa, but iirc the driver name was different.
[18:39] <mnemoc> I'll try that SWCursor thing now. thanks
[18:39] <penguin42> mnemoc: OK, well that suggests 14.04 is getting there
[18:40] <mnemoc> :)
[18:43] <mnemoc> another issue I have is that 2 of my 3 USB ports (coming from my only usb3 hub) are in deep sleep :( even setting power/control to on and autosuspend to -1   :(
[18:47] <penguin42> one of the ports is oK?
[18:47] <penguin42> is this an onboard USB port ?
[19:01] <mnemoc> penguin42: SWCursor did the trick, thanks!
[19:01] <mnemoc> penguin42: yes, onboard USBs of my laptop
[19:02] <mnemoc> penguin42: the powered USB2.0 works fine, the USB3.0/5000M hub is in deep sleep :\
[19:02] <penguin42> mnemoc: OK, so I wonder about the 3rd port that isn't in deep sleep; some laptops have a USB port that's *always* powered even if the laptop in sleep, and I wonder if it's that one?
[19:02] <mnemoc> it is a yellow port... so yes, it's the case
[19:03] <mnemoc> (in 13.10 they all worked fine)
[19:03] <penguin42> ok, I'd file that against Linux and mark it as a regression
[19:04] <mnemoc> btw, i remembered the name of the video driver I used in 13.10, glamoregl... tried that one instead of radeon and got a nice serie of segfaults :p
[19:05] <mnemoc> penguin42: ubuntu-bug linux ?
[19:05] <penguin42> I thought modern X already used glamout
[19:05] <penguin42> mnemoc: Yeh I'd said so
[19:07] <astropirate> Hello friends
[19:07] <astropirate> How can I install the 14.04 Alpha without a DVD?
[19:07] <penguin42> use a USB thumb drive
[19:07] <teward> write the ISO to a USB drive
[19:07] <teward> blah, penguin42 beat me to it
[19:07] <astropirate> alright
[19:07] <astropirate> i have to go buy those :(
[19:07] <astropirate> i th ought i'd never have to buy another
[19:08] <penguin42> always good to have a few 4-8GB ones lying around for stuff like this
[19:08] <astropirate> yah perhaps
[19:08] <astropirate> i forgot my blank DVDs at work
[19:08] <astropirate> is the Alpha version usable?
[19:08] <k1l_> its a dev release
[19:08] <astropirate> I screwed up my current 12.04 install
[19:09] <astropirate> and instead of installing 13.10 and in a couple of months upgrading again
[19:09] <penguin42> it's a dev release but isn't doing too bad
[19:09] <k1l_> if you need to worry about stableness and usabilty then dont use it :/
[19:09] <astropirate> it would be very convenient to just upgrade to 14.04
[19:09] <bekks> astropirate: In April, you can.
[19:09] <astropirate> bekks, aye, I know it is being released as final in April, but wondering if it is usable now
[19:09] <astropirate> as in won't randomly crash
[19:10] <astropirate> "stable" relative word
[19:10] <bekks> astropirate: Until the final release, it is not stable.
[19:10] <astropirate> bekks, thanks buddy
[19:10] <mnemoc> penguin42: after ppa-purging xorg-edgers, glxinfo | grep render tells OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.4, 128 bits)
[19:11] <mnemoc> penguin42: and glamour is gone from dpkg -l
[19:14] <k1l_> astropirate: its usable. but as you know it will break if you need important stuff to do
[19:15] <BluesKaj> stability is the word, but not necessarily so on devs , but so far so good with Kubuntu 14.04 here
[19:15] <k1l_> yes, stability is in the focus after the release :)
[19:19] <BluesKaj> i dont need a stable release up to a point, since I'm not running work environment pc
[19:30] <mnemoc> penguin42: installing the ati driver solved the the hwcursor issue, and how glxinfo tells: OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD KABINI
[19:31] <mnemoc> no clue what's the diff between radeon and ati :(
[19:31] <penguin42> mnemoc: Check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:32] <penguin42> mnemoc: I thought the -ati was just a wrapper that loaded the appropriate driver
[19:32] <mnemoc> it pulled xserver-xorg-video-glamoregl in
[19:33] <mnemoc> but /var/log/Xorg.0.log still tells RADEON(0)...
[19:34] <mnemoc> now I only need to get my USB3 ports back to be completely happy :)
[19:40] <astropirate> I'm glad stability is the new focus
[19:40] <astropirate> specially after the 12.04 LTS debacle :(
[20:41] <astropirate> Upgrading to 14.04 wish me luck
[22:51] <mansoor> Friends, how do I get to the "restricted-drivers" application to install nvidia propiatory drivers?
[22:51] <mansoor> I can't seemt o be able to find it
[22:56] <mansoor> Anybody here?
[22:57] <k1l_> system settings, updates, last tab
[22:57] <k1l_> or you just use apt-get
[22:57] <k1l_> and 14.04 is still in dev-mode so installing a nvidia driver might not be the biggest challenge
[23:01] <mansoor> HAHAHAH wtf?
[23:01] <mansoor> i installed 14.04
[23:01] <mansoor> but it says 13.10 everywhere
[23:01] <mansoor> except the boot screen
[23:02] <k1l_> mansoor: you know its not final released yet?
[23:02] <mansoor> k1l_, yes. It just threw me off :p
[23:55] <pietro10> Hi. On KDE, all GTK+ apps except firefox-trunk for some reason are not rendering fonts properly, even though gtk[23]-engines-oxygen is set. How do I fix this? Thanks.