[01:35] <IJustWannaCode> hello all
[01:37] <IJustWannaCode> I am new too the Ubuntu development world, and I've found this, hopfully helpful resource, to help me develop applications for Ubuntu.
[01:38] <IJustWannaCode> I've read the developer website and they use QML for native apps. They mention it is like javascript. They give some examples, but is there a great book, video, etc for me to learn from?
[12:20] <bzoltan> nik90:  why to wait for tomorrow :)
[12:22] <bzoltan> mivoligo: I see you realized the thumbnailer issue ... it is a known problem since the thumbnailer was introduced as build dependency ... I will check around if I could remove it
[12:28] <nik90> bzoltan: I thought you were off for the weekend :)
[12:28] <nik90> bzoltan: thnx for checking on it
[12:28] <bzoltan> nok90: I am off from working :) but weekend is hobby time ... I do some hobby work with sync tools ... so I am online
[12:55] <bzoltan> nik90, mivoligo: actually the libthumbnailer is just the top of the iceberg ... there are several other issues there. Simple the UITK development focus was Saucy and Trusty... also there are several qt5 packages what are not backported to Precise
[12:55] <nik90> bzoltan: oh
[12:56] <nik90> bzoltan: can we expect 14.04 to be supported better in the future? I expect lot of developers to stick a release rather than upgrade every 6 months.
[12:57] <nik90> bzoltan: I understand it can get difficult with major transistions like qt 5.0 to qt 5.2 etc
[13:02] <bzoltan> nik90:  one big question of the last week was that how far should we go with supporting 12.04 with the phablet development. Week by week it gets harder and harder ... and soon we are at the point that the SDK PPA holds the backported Trusty
[13:04] <bzoltan> nok90:  The LTS and the last stable release must be and will be properly supported...
[16:52] <nik90> ogra_ or popey: I got a small design question to ask about alarms. When you create a new alarm, would you expect the hands to point at the current time or rather at 00:00 ?
[16:52] <nik90> ogra_: I am including you as well, since in the past, you have taken the time to chime in sometimes :-)
[16:53] <nik90> I personally would have the hands point at 00:00 since I always create an alarm before I sleep to ring in the morning.
[16:53] <nik90> anybody else in this room is also free to share their opinions :)
[16:54] <WebbyIT> nik90, I prefer actual time :-)
[16:54] <nik90> WebbyIT: so if you press the create alarm button, you expect it to indicate 17:54 instead of 00:00?
[16:55] <ahayzen> nik90, my android phone takes the current time
[16:55] <WebbyIT> nik90, yap
[16:55] <WebbyIT> Cyano 11 indicates 00:00
[16:56] <nik90> ahayzen: as WebbyIT said the CyanogenMod clock app shows 00:00.
[16:56] <nik90> ahayzen: but what is your personal preference?
[16:56] <ahayzen> nik90, i'm on a Sony Xperia so not stock android
[16:57] <ahayzen> nik90, hmm it is difficult choice either is probably fine, setting it to the current time i guess is more useful if u are using the alarm as a timer...but u already have a timer so maybe setting to 00:00 is best?
[16:58] <ahayzen> nik90, maybe something to ask the design clinic
[16:58] <nik90> ahayzen, WebbyIT: Do you happen to know if there is a design clinic this week?
[16:58] <WebbyIT> dunno, sorry
[16:58] <nik90> I ask because I want these patches to land by the coming friday
[16:59] <nik90> this way we will have plenty for time for the MWC to test the clock app thoroughly
[16:59] <ahayzen> nik90, no i don't :/ i'd ask popey
[16:59] <nik90> no worries, will do
[17:00] <ahayzen> nik90, the calendar seems to suggest there is http://ubuntuonair.com/calendar/
[17:00] <nik90> ah awesome. I will send in an email nonetheless
[17:05] <mivoligo> nik90: hi, should I really revert manifest.json if it is the same as it should be?
[17:07] <nik90> mivoligo: oh, I didn't notice properly that it was the same
[17:07] <nik90> mivoligo: I sort of assumed that it changed .. sry
[17:07] <mivoligo> nik90: is there any way to tell QtCreator to not modify that file in the future?
[17:08] <nik90> mivoligo: but next time, it would better if you did "bzr revert -r revno manifest.json". The manifest.json is rather important for the execution of the clock app on the phone.
[17:08] <nik90> mivoligo: it is a known bug that has been fixed upstream. Just waiting on the update to land.
[17:09] <nik90> mivoligo: btw bzoltan updated me on the 12.04 SDK issue
[17:09] <mivoligo> nik90: I do revert it every time
[17:09] <nik90> bzoltan> mivoligo: I see you realized the thumbnailer issue ... it is a known problem since the thumbnailer was introduced as build dependency ... I will check around if I could remove it
[17:09] <nik90>  <bzoltan> nik90, mivoligo: actually the libthumbnailer is just the top of the iceberg ... there are several other issues there. Simple the UITK development focus was Saucy and Trusty... also there are several qt5 packages what are not backported to Precise
[17:10] <nik90> bzoltan> nik90: one big question of the last week was that how far should we go with supporting 12.04 with the phablet development. Week by week it gets harder and harder ... and soon we are at the point that the SDK PPA holds the backported Trusty
[17:10] <nik90> mivoligo: oh it might result in precise not being updated with the latest SDK packages since backporting Qt is not that easy. sry :(
[17:10] <WebbyIT> nik90, tomorrow I'll ping balloons for autopilot :/
[17:11] <nik90> s/oh/so
[17:11] <mivoligo> nik90: I'll move to 14.04 eventually
[17:11] <nik90> WebbyIT: it may be my fault..
[17:11] <nik90> WebbyIT: I have a lot to discuss with elopio and balloons about autopilot :)
[17:12] <WebbyIT> nik90, ok, ping me if I can be helpful ;-)
[17:12] <nik90> mivoligo: I am also a LTS kind of guy, so I am hoping that I can stay in 14.04 for as long as possible
[17:12] <nik90> WebbyIT: will do
[17:14] <mivoligo> BTW can I update 32bit version of 12.04 to 64bit of 14.04?
[17:15] <nik90> mivoligo: I doubt it
[17:16] <mivoligo> I've got separate /home partition, so what about the new install and leaving that partition? Or would there be some conflicts?
[17:18] <nik90> I think that should be fine since only configuration data is stored by apps in the home folder
[17:19] <nik90> looking through my home, I dont notice any x64 folder created by any app
[17:19] <nik90> WebbyIT: the tests on my MP at https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/fix-autopilot-environment-cleanup/+merge/205503
[17:19] <nik90> WebbyIT: can you merge that MP into your MP and let jenkins run the tests?
[17:20] <nik90> WebbyIT: since your branch does nothing to cause the tests to fail
[17:22] <WebbyIT> nik90, done
[17:23] <nik90> WebbyIT: did you push it? I dont see the new commit yet
[17:23] <WebbyIT> OMG BZR IS SO BUGGY
[17:24] <nik90> why what happended
[17:24] <nik90> s/happended/happened
[17:24] <WebbyIT> Well, this is so strange: it's second time today that I push to this branch using bzr push, as usal
[17:25] <WebbyIT> but bzr instead to push to /~rpadovani/ubuntu-clock-app/1203649 pushes to ~rpadovani/ubuntu-clock-app/1249630/
[17:25] <WebbyIT> that is an anagram
[17:25] <WebbyIT> and it's a old branch
[17:25] <nik90> oh
[17:25] <WebbyIT> it's funny, isn't it?
[17:25] <nik90> lol
[17:26] <nik90> I am always of that which is why I always try to keep my branch name unique...in your case 1249630 is unique as well..so weird
[17:27] <nik90> Now we wait for the jenkins bot
[18:11] <mivoligo> what is considered to be the smallest size of a clickable rectangle in units.gu?