[00:00] <LjL-BetaMale> uhm no
[00:00] <LjL-BetaMale> what i meant is that ignacio is always in whatever channel happens to be attacked at any given time, and has consistently been for years
[00:02] <rww> see this is why you shouldn't get me to explain your stuff
[00:02] <rww> since idk who ignacio is
[00:06] <LjL-BetaMale> good job being staff emeritus without a corresponding cloak because you hate authority!
[00:07] <rww> it's actually more because I think cloaks are stupid. the only reason I have one is because I needed a static hostname to auth with that stupid werewolf bot thing
[00:09] <Unit193> Would almost be nice to be able to umode -x per account, but that's a different cloak. :P
[00:10] <rww> and now that I don't do anything important on the stupid werewolf bot thing I can't get rid of it because I told staff I'd keep it for a while ;(
[00:10] <LjL-BetaMale> rww: so the problem is you'd feel bad if you asked to have it taken away because they were annoyed at you getting and dropping them every odd day?
[00:10] <rww> yes
[00:10] <rww> well, I don't think they said they were annoyed
[00:11] <rww> but I told them I'd keep it anyway ;(
[00:12] <LjL-BetaMale> rww: i've got an easy solution, troll somewhere, ban evade, have it forcibly removed
[00:12] <rww> or i could connect from a gateway I guess
[00:13] <rww> or I could make one of the opers that doesn't check user history do it
[00:17] <LjL-BetaMale> rww: nick to rww` and then they'll do anything you want, out of feeling guilty?
[00:17] <rww> lolol
[00:18] <LjL-BetaMale> i wish i had logs that could tell me who originally k-lined me the first time i was on freenode
[00:18] <rww> I'm glad I don't have logs of when I was on freenode years ago.
[00:18] <LjL-BetaMale> do you want mine ;(
[00:19] <LjL-BetaMale> cat .znc/user/ljl/moddata/log/*.log | grep "rww\|dax" | pastebinit
[00:19] <LjL-BetaMale> aw wrong window
[00:19] <rww> no ;(
[00:20] <rww> also you don't have my nicks from back then ;(
[00:20] <LjL-BetaMale> i guess it depends on how back then you mean ;(
[00:20] <rww> very ;(
[00:20] <LjL-BetaMale> in which case i probably was on ircnet to begin with, eh
[00:21] <LjL-BetaMale> and you were just starting to learn how to write
[00:21] <LjL-BetaMale> you did make some progress, by the way
[02:01] <k1l> seems like zack is still not happy with the ban in xubuntu not resolved :/
[02:02] <xubuntu420> knome_:
[02:02] <xubuntu420> hello
[02:03] <k1l> hi zack
[02:03] <xubuntu420> hi
[02:03] <xubuntu420> how do i change my nick
[02:04] <k1l> this is not a funny channel where you can troll again. please only visit this channel if you actually want to talk about the bans and your behaviour
[02:04] <xubuntu420> i do but i want to change my nickname
[02:05] <k1l> you were told to come back in 24 hours. not in 2 hours
[02:05] <xubuntu420> how do i resolve the stupid ban
[02:06] <xubuntu420> i have time to kill and i thought this was a good way
[02:06] <k1l> you ruined your chance last time. now come back tomorrow. and dont try to evade the bans again in the meantime
[02:06] <xubuntu420> how do i change my nick
[02:07] <xubuntu420> and knome wont talk to me
[02:07] <k1l> i bet you sort that out, how to change the nick, before you come back in 24hours
[02:07] <xubuntu420> who are you?
[02:08] <xubuntu420> and i was told with in 24 hrs
[02:08] <xubuntu420> knome_: hello
[02:09] <Pici> And? That was 4 hours ago, not 24.
[02:09] <k1l> xubuntu420: so we have to double the time you need to think about your actions and how you shold behave in the ubuntu channel to 48 hours?
[02:09] <xubuntu420> no i mean knome told me within 24 hrs
[02:09] <k1l> or do we need to extend that to one week?
[02:10] <k1l> xubuntu420: after 24hours.
 if you want to resolve the ban, come here in 24 hours
[02:10] <xubuntu420> i really dont care
[02:10] <IdleOne> xubuntu420: knome did not say within
[02:10] <k1l> xubuntu420: if you really dont care, go away and dont come back
[02:10] <xubuntu420> how doyes he did
[02:10] <xubuntu420> i mean yes he did
[02:11] <Pici> !logs
[02:11] <IdleOne> no, he didn't
[02:11] <Pici> feel free to check the logs yourself.
[02:11] <Pici> We're not going to go in circles.
[02:11] <xubuntu420> no i have time to kill and i want to spend it here
[02:11] <Pici> Well, we don't.
[02:11] <k1l> xubuntu420: go and troll somewhere else.
[02:11] <xubuntu420> whats troll
[02:11] <xubuntu420> ?
[02:12] <IdleOne> Please stop.
[02:12] <xubuntu420> can we talk
[02:13] <xubuntu420> stop what?
[02:13] <IdleOne> This is just silly now. We don't want to talk to you before 2200UTC Feb 10, 2014.
[02:13] <xubuntu420> comeon man
[02:13] <IdleOne> please leave this channel now
[02:14] <xubuntu420> why he said within
[02:14] <IdleOne> he didn't. last time I tell you
[02:14] <IdleOne> Please leave this channel now
[02:14] <xubuntu420> he did at ##computer-help-chat
[02:15] <IdleOne> we have nothing to do with that chanel
[02:15] <IdleOne> channel
[02:15] <xubuntu420> i know that
[02:16] <IdleOne> great, please leave.
[02:17] <IdleOne> Noskcaj: yup, we know :(
[02:17] <IdleOne> thank you :)
[02:17] <xubuntu420> know what
[02:17] <IdleOne> is you nick Noskcaj ?
[02:18] <Noskcaj> I was just joining to watch what happened
[02:32] <LjL-Card> Noskcaj: that would be €10 please
[02:32] <LjL-Card> 15 for the 3D version
[02:32] <Noskcaj> :)
[02:32] <LjL-Card> popcorn?
[02:33]  * Noskcaj wonders if 3D irc is a thing
[02:33] <Noskcaj> and yes, popcorn. I'm hungry
[02:33] <LjL-Card> i... maybe it will be now that i thought of it ;(
[02:33] <IdleOne> I would like a 64ounce coca cola please
[02:33] <LjL-Card> i already thought of making something to replay logs in real time speed
[02:33] <LjL-Card> i thought i'd call it ICR
[02:33] <LjL-Card> like IRC, and VCR
[02:34] <IdleOne> like a relay bot?
[02:34] <LjL-Card> no not that
[02:35] <LjL-Card> IdleOne: like, i often noticed that reading logs is painful, and i thought it was (mostly? partly?) because the experience is so different from actually seeing the conversation in real time on an IRC client
[02:35] <LjL-Card> the pauses matter
[02:35] <LjL-Card> and of course if something spans several channels, that totally matters
[02:35] <LjL-Card> plus, if you're used to an irc client "experience", just less #blah.log ain't the same
[02:35] <IdleOne> oh so you mean like a video
[02:36] <LjL-Card> so, instead you just replay the logs... at full speed, or faster
[02:36] <LjL-Card> no not quite
[02:36] <LjL-Card> the logs are still stored as text
[02:36] <LjL-Card> but there is a program to read them, that *simulates* being on a real IRC client and reading them in real time
[02:36] <IdleOne> but played back at the same speed as the text was recorded
[02:36] <LjL-Card> (or maybe faster... VCR's have fast forward too!)
[02:36] <LjL-Card> yes
[02:37] <LjL-Card> but you can still switch channels by clicking on the tabs, etc
[02:37] <IdleOne> that might be something fun to play with
[02:37] <Pici> theres a word for it...
[02:37] <Pici> I can't remember what it is though
[02:37] <LjL-Card> Pici: madness?
[02:37] <LjL-Card> anyway it's one of those things i've thought about for years, and in the time i spent thinking about it, i could have written like three different implementations of it ;(
[02:39] <Pici> I think we've discussed it a few times
[02:39] <Pici> I keep wanting to say 'scrobble' is the word, but thats not right.
[02:40] <LjL-Card> Pici, i think we should form a committee to draft a process to draw a ballot on the word we should use for the concept we will be defining for an eventual implementation
[02:40] <LjL-Card> pici: speaking of which, https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00281.html
[02:41] <LjL-Card> (spoilers: the outcome was D)
[02:41] <rww> tl;dr: if nobody does anything sneaky, it'll come out 4-4 systemd-upstart, and Bdale will tiebreak for systemd
[02:41] <LjL-Card> and i don't mind, i like D
[02:43] <Pici> no surprise, slangasek votes for upstart
[02:44] <Pici> anyway, I forked AttackProtector, shoved redis in there instead of making it handle the event databse itself and it seems to be passing all the unit tests
[02:44] <rww> no surprise, slangasek votes for further discussion, then upstart **
[02:45] <rww> at least he ranked systemd third
[02:46] <k1l> at least there is some tactical voting on one side and some tactical vote-starting on the other :)
[02:48] <rww> latest vote's been relatively free of tactical anything, thankfully
[03:00] <ka> hello now can we talk about that ban
[03:00] <k1l> ka aka zack, what part of " <IdleOne> This is just silly now. We don't want to talk to you before 2200UTC Feb 10, 2014." did you not understand?
[03:01] <ka> i want to speak with knome
[03:03] <k1l> come back after that mentioned timeframe. if you show you are not capable of rules and decisions there might be no need to talk anyway. since the ban will not be lifted since the chance you dont follow the guidelines is too high.
[03:03] <Pici> ka: is this regarding a ban in #ubuntu or #xubuntu?
[03:03] <k1l> so come back after that deadline
[03:04] <Pici> ka: or some other non Ubuntu channel?
[03:04] <k1l> ka: and dont disturb the support channel #ubuntu while we made it clear to you quite often now what you should do
[03:05] <ka> there is no deadline thats what i want to talk about
[03:05] <Pici> k1l: may I?
[03:05] <k1l> Pici: go ahead
[03:05] <Pici> ka: what do you mean by 'deadline;?
[03:06] <ka> thats what he said
[03:07] <Pici> ka: I'm sorry, I'm not getting you.  knome said to come back in 24 hours, which part of that is confusing you?
[03:08] <ka> the fact he told me the oppisite
[03:09] <Pici> ka: Well, knome isn't around right now, and we are going off the logs that we can see.
[03:09] <ka> ok
[03:13] <Pici> ka: if you could please part now, knome will review the logs here when he returns.
[03:14] <ka> i will wait thankyou verry much
[03:15] <IdleOne> ka: please read the topic for this channel
[03:16] <ka> ok well im gonna not chat at all il just be here ok
[03:18] <IdleOne> no, not ok. Please leave now and knome will review the logs when he returns
[03:18] <ka> ok
[04:45] <Pici> fyi, zack was in #kubuntu a little bit ago asking about proxies
[15:06] <k1l> @mark #ubuntu CaptainPorn porn spam link
[16:58] <hitsujiTMO> gino_ in #ubuntu spamming DCC SENDs
[16:59] <k1l_> gino_ left, could anyone confirm?
[21:33] <AlanBell> !gnome-shell
[21:34] <AlanBell> !gnome3
[21:39] <AlanBell> well installing ubuntu-gnome-desktop certainly works
[21:52] <zack_> #xubuntu
[21:52] <knome> zack_, yes, you are banned from that channel
[21:52] <zack_> why
[21:53] <knome> you were told not to repeat questions again and again
[21:53] <knome> also, you didn't listen when you were told to stop something
[21:55] <zack__> why do you people cate if i ask a question anyway
[21:56] <knome> zack_, we don't care if you ask a support question, but we care if we've told you the answer and you keep on asking, flooding the channel and behaving aggressively against volunteers.
[21:56] <knome> zack_, do you know understand why you are banned?
[21:56] <zack__> knome:_ btw idleone is one of the most aragent people ive ever chatted with
[21:56] <knome> please let's not divert this discussion away from your ban.
[21:56] <zack__> i dont
[21:57] <knome> zack__, i have just told you.
[21:57] <zack__> why
[21:57] <knome> zack_, if you don't understand that, i'd recommend reading the channel guidelines and my explanation again.
[21:58] <zack__> ok you guys are crazy becuse i didnt do anything wrong
[21:58] <zack__> and i know the guidelines
[21:58] <knome> if you don't understand why you are banned, i can't remove your ban at this point, because there is no reason to believe you wouldn't breach the guidelines again.
[21:59] <zack__> i know the guidelines
[21:59] <knome> please leave this channel and come back when you understand what you've done wrong, and when you really want to resolve the ban.
[22:01] <knome> zack__, please leave the channel.
[22:02] <zack__> why i dont even understand why you banned me
[22:02] <knome> zack__, i have explained that to you in this channel today.
[22:02] <zack__> can you again
[22:02] <knome> zack__, if you want to resolve your ban today, i would start by reading what i have told you.
[22:02] <zack__> i did
[22:02] <knome> 1) keep asking the same question again even if you got an answer
[22:03] <knome> 2) flood the channel with 0 and 1, even if you were told to stop
[22:03] <knome> 3) not listening to the ops
[22:03] <knome> 4) acting aggressively towards the op
[22:03] <zack__> why cant i ask a question i need them to explain it to me
[22:03] <knome> 5) ban evading with another connection
[22:03] <zack__> what is that
[22:04] <knome> zack__, unless you can't understand the first five, let's not even go into that.
[22:04] <zack__> 0 and 1 are binary code
[22:04] <knome> that's irrelevant. you were asked to stop pasting it, and you didn't.
[22:05] <zack__> pasteing what i dont understand unless you can explain
[22:05] <knome> clearly, you seem to have the same problems as previously: not being able to follow instructions, or understand simple explanations
[22:05] <knome> ok, this is leading nowhere.
[22:05] <knome> please come back in 24 hours, if you want to resolve the ban.
[22:06] <knome> meanwhile, please part this channel as we still have a non-idling policy here.
[22:06] <knome> i would also advise not to drag any more people into this, it will only make resolving your ban harder.
[22:07] <zack__> you are an irragant control freak and i hope that you never unban me just so you can prouve a stupid point
[22:07] <knome> please leave the channel or we will have to remove you
[22:07] <zack__> you are being ridiclous
[22:08] <k1l_> zack__: as long as you prove you cant even follow simple rules, we cant trust in you to follow the guidelines, hence you are not allowed back into the channels.
[22:08] <zack__> i dont care anymore
[22:08] <zack__> its an irc channal ok
[22:08] <zack__> not a school
[22:09] <k1l_> zack__: we have rules to form a friendly enviroment. you are breaking the rules. dont blame us.
[22:09] <rww> zack__: It's a relatively large IRC channel. It needs some rules to keep everyone friendly and to stop the channel from being useless for support.
[22:09] <zack__> you are interfearing with a convercation
[22:09] <zack__> and im the rude one
[22:09] <rww> zack__: So yes, it's not a school, but it needs rules for a relatively similar purpose (so that people can learn effectively)
[22:10] <LjL-DeltaMale> zack__: interfering* conversation*
[22:10] <zack__> why cant you exsept the fact that i did one little thing
[22:10] <LjL-DeltaMale> (just in case you still thought it wasn't a school, you know)
[22:10] <LjL-DeltaMale> can't* except*
[22:10] <Myrtti> accept*
[22:10] <rww> zack__: most of the delay here has been because of your behavior after being banned, I gather
[22:10] <rww> zack__: in multiple channels
[22:11] <LjL-DeltaMale> Myrtti: oh sorry, i was in dumb spellchecker mode. i'll switch to grammar checker mode ;(
[22:11] <zack__> what do you people have to do with me and any thing i do
[22:11] <rww> zack__: Anyways. How about we do as knome said, and spend 24 hours thinking about the reasons they outlined so that when you come back this conversation can be more productive. Maybe the human spellcheckers will go away in the meantime.
[22:12] <zack__> im not going to spend 24 hrs thinking what i did to get blamed for a stupid mis understanding on the internet ok
[22:12] <rww> that's unfortunate
[22:13] <knome> rww, thanks
[22:14] <rww> @comment 59626 zack__ once again failing to consider our reasoning for his #xubuntu ban, getting combatative about multiple ops talking, attempting to deflect blame for everything onto us, 24h
[22:14] <knome> and thanks.
[22:14] <LjL-DeltaMale> combatative, eh
[22:14] <bazhang> -at
[22:14] <LjL-DeltaMale> i think it's some internet meme and he meant it
[22:14] <IdleOne> the bot is going to remove the comment :P
[22:15] <rww> I apologize for using words that you clearly didn't understand the meaning of and confusing you both.
[22:15] <LjL-DeltaMale> well i only speak english
[22:17] <rww> Well, you speak French too iirc, which I think may be the problem. You perhaps got English mixed up with a language that has an "officially" correct version.
[22:18] <rww> and of course, since the French do it, we can't ;(
[22:18] <LjL-DeltaMale> allora parlerò italiano, tanto per me vale come inglese
[22:18] <rww> !en
[22:18] <LjL-DeltaMale> sì, è inglese
[22:18] <LjL-DeltaMale> sto parlando inglese
[22:18] <Flannel> No, orlando is in florida, not england.
[22:19] <LjL-DeltaMale> zut alors
[22:19] <LjL-DeltaMale> j'parle pas avec toi
[22:19] <rww> Flannel: you are interfearing with a convercation
[22:19] <LjL-DeltaMale> ^
[22:21] <Flannel> rww: I fear most converse cat ions, especially the ones I'm in the middle of.  I prefer dog ions.
[22:21] <rww> wow, much chemistry
[22:27] <ka> can we please resolve this
[22:28] <knome> ka, no, please come back in 24 hours. and please stop ban evading.
[22:29] <ka> ok but i want to lower time to 3 hrs but i sware i will comply ok
[22:29] <knome> no.
[22:29] <ka> why not
[22:29] <ka> ill comply
[22:30] <knome> comply to the requirement of being 24 hours away then, and after that, we can discuss your ban again
[22:31] <ka> no come on im trying to be reasonable here im not waiting 24hrs for  an irc channal ok im sorry but thats ridiculous
[22:32] <knome> i consider myself reasonable as is. please leave the channel now and come back in 24 hours.
[22:32] <ka> dont play that card on me
[22:32] <ka> comon tough guy
[22:33] <ka> #xubuntu
[22:33] <Flannel> ka: You're right, 24 hours is ridiculous.  Please come back in 48h and we'll discuss it then.
[22:33] <ka> your not knome i dont listen to you sorry
[22:34] <knome> i value the change in your attitude, but the decision keeps. and yes, Flannel is probably right.
[22:34] <knome> please leave the channel immediately and i'm fine with talking you in 24 hours.
[22:34] <ka> im trying so we can colaberate ok
[22:34] <knome> otherwise, it's best to extend the period to 48 hours
[22:34] <ka> i have nothing but time
[22:35] <knome> right, so come back in 48 hours then.
[22:35] <knome> now please leave the channel
[22:35] <ka> you can make it 1000 hrs and it would not be a diffrence
[22:36] <IdleOne> alright
[22:36] <IdleOne> 1000 hours it is
[22:36] <Flannel> That's like a month and a quarter.
[22:37] <IdleOne> @comment 59629 1000 hours because zack doesn't care how long he is banned for
[22:37] <IdleOne> @duration 59629, 1000h
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