| daftykins | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOMX3deeW6Q | 04:07 |
|---|---|---|
| daftykins | not the first and certainly not the last :) | 04:07 |
| daftykins | " | 04:07 |
| daftykins | 'Tainted Love' Performed By Disk Drives Will Have You Geek Out" | 04:07 |
| mapps | hey | 06:33 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 06:42 |
| MartijnVdS | kernel is still compiling :| | 06:42 |
| mapps | hey MartijnVdS | 06:42 |
| mapps | just gets up? | 06:42 |
| MartijnVdS | raspberry pi... | 06:42 |
| MartijnVdS | mapps: yeah | 06:42 |
| mapps | i just got home:D went on casino and now vodka and sprite | 06:42 |
| mapps | :D | 06:42 |
| MartijnVdS | ooh! ooh! | 06:45 |
| MartijnVdS | LINK vmlinux | 06:45 |
| MartijnVdS | http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19c35oidyf35igif/original.gif | 06:45 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: for reference: Raspberry Pi kernel compile on the Pi took about 12 hours (@ 900MHz, "Medium" overclock setting) | 07:57 |
| xalyy | hey | 08:12 |
| xalyy | someone used proxmox before? | 08:13 |
| directhex | gah, chrome is broken | 09:04 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: how? | 09:12 |
| directhex | dunno. i deleted the config folder & fixed itr | 09:18 |
| MartijnVdS | oh you hit the "Couldn't load your profile" bug? | 09:23 |
| MartijnVdS | I get that every few months | 09:23 |
| popey | i had that recently | 09:28 |
| popey | after my laptop died when out of battery | 09:28 |
| brobostigon | good morning boys and girls. | 09:54 |
| popey | yo | 10:35 |
| brobostigon | morning popey | 10:38 |
| czajkowski | aaloha | 11:24 |
| czajkowski | so trusty is running nicely | 11:24 |
| xalyy | hEyt | 11:24 |
| xalyy | Someone used proxmox before? :S | 11:24 |
| czajkowski | I still have that annoying bug which find it hard to reproduce but does exist. where you shut down your machine and it restarts. most anonying when you#'re on a plane | 11:24 |
| xalyy | Can someone help me about proxmox? | 11:26 |
| czajkowski | xalyy: it's kinda quiet in here at the weekend, maybe explain the problem abd someone might see it | 11:32 |
| xalyy | Okay | 11:32 |
| xalyy | Well I made a virutal box for testing out the proxmox and installed the iso then tried to open the https://myip:8006 web interface but it not works | 11:33 |
| popey | czajkowski: i never shut my laptop down | 11:43 |
| popey | uhm. system settings seems to be missing a date/time thing in trusty | 11:49 |
| popey | or am I blind | 11:49 |
| popey | I can't see how to change my time (am in the wrong timezone) | 11:49 |
| AlanBell | popey: mine is gone too | 11:51 |
| popey | AlanBell: bug 1278063 | 11:53 |
| lubotu3 | bug 1278063 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "date and time settings missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1278063 | 11:53 |
| popey | pls confirm | 11:53 |
| Laney | do you have unity-control-center-datetime installed? | 11:54 |
| Laney | oh sorry, got to go | 11:54 |
| ali1234 | gooby pls | 11:55 |
| AlanBell | Laney: nope, I didn't have that | 11:55 |
| ali1234 | will that also fix bug 1074314? | 11:56 |
| lubotu3 | bug 1074314 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "indicator-datetime configuration panel only works in Unity session" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1074314 | 11:56 |
| popey | Laney: I didn't, just figured that out and updated the bug | 11:57 |
| ali1234 | lol so the reason it's broken is because they renamed the panel and then forgot to update the gnome .desktop | 12:03 |
| AlanBell | or have not yet got round to updating the .desktop | 12:05 |
| ali1234 | change was commited two weeks ago | 12:06 |
| popey | bug 1277900 also | 12:06 |
| awilkins | xalyy, Have you set up the NAT stuff for your VM? | 12:06 |
| lubotu3 | Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1277900 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1277900). The error has been logged | 12:06 |
| popey | oof | 12:06 |
| popey | bug 1277900 also | 12:06 |
| popey | silly bot ☻ | 12:06 |
| ali1234 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-datetime/trunk.14.04/revision/300 | 12:07 |
| ali1234 | i take back what i previously said | 12:07 |
| ali1234 | it's actually been intentionally broken | 12:07 |
| xalyy | awilkins: What you mean? | 12:10 |
| awilkins | xalyy, When you have a VM, it's isolated from the network unless you specifically set up network ports for other machines to communicate with it | 12:11 |
| ali1234 | popey: your other bug is a dupe, at least for datetime | 12:11 |
| awilkins | The default setup on VirtualBox is, AFAIK, NAT | 12:11 |
| popey | feel free to mark it as such | 12:11 |
| popey | i thougt it might be but couldn't see another | 12:11 |
| awilkins | Which means you have to map ports on the VM to ports on your host machine if you want to communicate with the server inside | 12:11 |
| awilkins | Have a look at the "Advanced" dialog in the network setup | 12:12 |
| ali1234 | you'll have to change your shortcut because the panel applet has been renamed in order to prevent it from working with g-c-c, this will also invalidate your shortcut | 12:12 |
| popey | or bin and re-create it I guess. | 12:12 |
| popey | shame | 12:12 |
| ali1234 | just change "indicator-datetime" to "datetime" | 12:12 |
| popey | it was sound, but I understand | 12:12 |
| ali1234 | and g-c-c to u-c-c | 12:13 |
| popey | just removed it and re-dragged it in from the dash | 12:13 |
| ali1234 | also why the heck do you have shortcuts to individual settings on the launcher? | 12:14 |
| popey | you are not the first to ask this ☻ | 12:14 |
| popey | I use the sound applet a lot | 12:14 |
| ali1234 | so do i but i just clik the sound indicator | 12:14 |
| popey | docking station + bluetooth headphones + linux = annoyance | 12:14 |
| xalyy | Ok im back | 12:14 |
| popey | faster to super+9 | 12:14 |
| popey | for me | 12:14 |
| ali1234 | no. | 12:14 |
| popey | my sound menu is huge, so click then go all the way to the bottom to get sound settings | 12:15 |
| xalyy | So | 12:15 |
| xalyy | Im here at the advanced settings | 12:15 |
| xalyy | Do I have to add the 8006 port? | 12:15 |
| popey | xalyy: no, I'd just change NAT to Bridged and restart the VM | 12:15 |
| ali1234 | clean it out? | 12:16 |
| xalyy | Okay | 12:16 |
| popey | still easier to use launcher | 12:16 |
| ali1234 | it really needs an easier way to remove every audio player ever | 12:16 |
| popey | annoying i have to use it so much | 12:16 |
| popey | yeah | 12:16 |
| xalyy | Still not works | 12:16 |
| ali1234 | you know what's even easier? having a settings menu on the panel | 12:17 |
| popey | i dont use most settings, only sound | 12:17 |
| ali1234 | and the other four ones :) | 12:17 |
| popey | well, and bluetooth | 12:17 |
| xalyy | I switched to nat | 12:17 |
| xalyy | But still not shows the website | 12:17 |
| popey | xalyy: bridged, not nat, and restart the vm | 12:18 |
| xalyy | I mean to bridged | 12:18 |
| xalyy | Sorry mistyped :D | 12:18 |
| popey | right, and find out what IP the VM has once booted | 12:18 |
| xalyy | https://192.168.1.101:8006/ | 12:18 |
| xalyy | but not worksss | 12:18 |
| popey | point your browser at that http://I.p.address:8006/ | 12:18 |
| xalyy | like before | 12:18 |
| xalyy | :S | 12:18 |
| popey | did you restart the vm? | 12:18 |
| xalyy | Why is it not working? :( | 12:20 |
| popey | did you restart the vm? | 12:20 |
| xalyy | Yes | 12:20 |
| popey | inside the vm, if you 'telnet 192.168.1.101 8006' do you get a response? | 12:20 |
| xalyy | http://gyazo.com/18524a7c76cc6319d8c2fa86cab9837a.png | 12:21 |
| xalyy | This is what i got | 12:21 |
| awilkins | That looks promising | 12:22 |
| xalyy | what is the next step? :D | 12:23 |
| popey | http://imgur.com/0qvXxNd | 12:24 |
| popey | thats what I do to test | 12:24 |
| xalyy | ok | 12:28 |
| xalyy | I not got what u got but ok :D | 12:29 |
| popey | you got a response of some kind? | 12:30 |
| xalyy | i got what i sent | 12:32 |
| xalyy | U saw the pic? | 12:33 |
| xalyy | Anyone? | 12:46 |
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| awilkins | xalyy, You got a response - it connected and dropped, rather than timing out | 12:52 |
| awilkins | xalyy, That means there is a server running with that port open, rather than nothing being there | 12:53 |
| MartijnVdS | wow.. cross-compiling a RPi kernel: 5 minutes. Compiling a kernel on the pi: 24 hours (including docs/manual/etc. packages) | 13:01 |
| ali1234 | the kernel is very easy to cross compile tho | 13:01 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: yes, I know that now :) | 13:01 |
| ali1234 | pretty much nothing else is so easy | 13:02 |
| MartijnVdS | because of library dependencies | 13:02 |
| MartijnVdS | installing a cross-compiler is easy, but for most other things you need at least libc | 13:02 |
| penguin42 | with multiarch it's not as bad as it was - can get the libs in | 13:04 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: even of incompatible archs? | 13:12 |
| MartijnVdS | 192.168.3.249 .GPS. 1 u 34 64 3 0.581 0.203 0.014 | 13:12 |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ | 13:12 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: Yes | 13:13 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: installing libs normally isn't a problem (as long as their multiarch safe - not everything is) | 13:13 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: Sometime need to have qemu installed incase the installation scripts need to run something | 13:14 |
| xalyy_ | Im back! Connection lost | 13:33 |
| xalyy_ | awilkins then what can I do to solve the problem | 13:33 |
| xalyy_ | Yo? | 13:34 |
| xalyy_ | Is somebody here or everybody sleepig again? :D | 13:35 |
| MartijnVdS | !patience | 13:35 |
| lubotu3 | Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com/ or http://ubuntuforums.org/ or http://askubuntu.com/ | 13:35 |
| popey | xalyy: we established your server is running | 13:36 |
| xalyy_ | I searched like 1 day without any luck, thats why I moved to here | 13:36 |
| xalyy_ | Thanks | 13:37 |
| xalyy_ | But if the server is running then why the web interface not loads? | 13:37 |
| xalyy_ | I don't know what I done wrong... I configured the network and this was a fresh install nothing modified | 13:37 |
| xalyy_ | Same problem with my dedicated not working there too | 13:38 |
| AlanBell | xalyy_: you are running proxmox inside a vm? | 13:40 |
| xalyy_ | Yes | 13:40 |
| xalyy_ | First I trying to test it on my computer on virtualbox | 13:41 |
| xalyy_ | Then move it to dedicated | 13:41 |
| xalyy_ | But it's not even work in my PC | 13:41 |
| AlanBell | well I would kind of expect some issues running it nested | 13:41 |
| AlanBell | however I would expect the web UI to work | 13:41 |
| AlanBell | can you get to the web UI from inside the guest itself? | 13:42 |
| xalyy_ | How?? | 13:42 |
| xalyy_ | It don't have Desktop enviroment | 13:42 |
| AlanBell | does the guest operating system have a GUI? | 13:42 |
| AlanBell | ok, how about lynx or something | 13:42 |
| xalyy_ | Lynx? | 13:42 |
| AlanBell | sudo apt-get install lynx | 13:43 |
| awilkins | Text-mode browser | 13:43 |
| xalyy_ | Okay | 13:43 |
| AlanBell | then lynx localhost:8006 or whever it is | 13:43 |
| xalyy_ | Okay! I try it ty | 13:43 |
| AlanBell | not expecting it to work well, but it should be enough to recognise whether it is working at all | 13:44 |
| xalyy_ | http://gyazo.com/4d0d231e12c41a44c661f415acd6d203.png :( | 13:45 |
| popey | is that from inside the vm or outside? | 13:45 |
| popey | oh, inside | 13:45 |
| xalyy_ | Inside | 13:46 |
| AlanBell | ok, so forget about port mapping for a bit, until you get it serving locally | 13:46 |
| awilkins | Try http://localhost:8006 | 13:47 |
| popey | its not ssl? | 13:47 |
| AlanBell | that isn't right anyway, why is it trying to resolve the IP address? | 13:47 |
| awilkins | Yes... maybe that also counts | 13:47 |
| awilkins | so https://localhost:8006 | 13:47 |
| xalyy_ | Tried localhost first then 192.168. | 13:47 |
| popey | what ip does the vm have? | 13:48 |
| popey | note that it will not be the same ip as your host | 13:48 |
| xalyy_ | Umm local ip? | 13:48 |
| popey | ifconfig inside the vm will tell you | 13:48 |
| popey | with bridged the vm gets an ip address like any other host | 13:48 |
| popey | not the same as your host | 13:48 |
| popey | so you may just be using the wrong ip | 13:48 |
| xalyy_ | How can I scroll up? | 13:48 |
| xalyy_ | on virtualbox :D | 13:48 |
| AlanBell | ifconfig|less | 13:49 |
| popey | page up? | 13:49 |
| popey | ip addr | grep 192 | 13:49 |
| popey | probbaly 192.168.1.102 ☻ | 13:49 |
| xalyy_ | 127.0.0.1?? | 13:50 |
| popey | thats localhost on interface lo | 13:50 |
| xalyy_ | http://gyazo.com/3c26517b8021025feb075821731aef16.png | 13:50 |
| * AlanBell doesn't think there is an active network card in the guest | 13:50 | |
| popey | what about interface eth0 ? | 13:50 |
| MooDoo | directhex: but I want a valve code, my key is I AMDI RECT HEX ;) | 13:50 |
| xalyy_ | http://gyazo.com/a6259dd025f285d39c2d05ecc82bb6be.png | 13:50 |
| popey | these cropped screenshots annoy me ☻ | 13:51 |
| xalyy_ | Sorry :D | 13:51 |
| popey | so no ip on eth0 | 13:51 |
| popey | what OS is the guest? | 13:52 |
| xalyy_ | Proxmox 3.1 VE | 13:53 |
| penguin42 | no, in the VM, not on the host | 13:53 |
| AlanBell | penguin42: that is running nested in the guest | 13:54 |
| penguin42 | ooohhhh - nested is fun | 13:54 |
| xalyy_ | what host? | 13:54 |
| xalyy_ | loll | 13:54 |
| AlanBell | which is . . . going to hurt, but the web UI should work | 13:54 |
| popey | wat | 13:54 |
| xalyy_ | waittt | 13:54 |
| popey | this sounds odd, i dont understand what on earth is going on here | 13:54 |
| xalyy_ | guys u think i meant that there is a vm under my dedi? | 13:54 |
| popey | this is a remote machine with virtualbox instaled on it? | 13:55 |
| popey | and proxmox as the guest? | 13:55 |
| penguin42 | xalyy_: You need to go back a step; put a webpage together that shows what your setup is - completely so we can understand | 13:55 |
| xalyy_ | OK wait | 13:55 |
| AlanBell | or local desktop with virtualbox with proxmox inside it? | 13:55 |
| AlanBell | turtles all the way down | 13:55 |
| popey | xalyy_: explain the setup | 13:56 |
| AlanBell | the guest isn't getting an IP address, so you think that is set up with a bridged networking card, and your router is capable of assigning an extra DHCP address? | 13:56 |
| xalyy_ | Sec | 13:58 |
| xalyy_ | http://i.imgbox.com/DNNIsAtM.png | 13:59 |
| awilkins | Uuuuurgh, host OS is Windows :P | 14:00 |
| popey | that diagram doesn't help | 14:01 |
| AlanBell | so, where is Ubuntu in all this? | 14:01 |
| popey | explain it... | 14:02 |
| popey | "i have a blah running blah and in that there's blah running blah" | 14:02 |
| * awilkins bobs off to get some food | 14:02 | |
| xalyy_ | Proxmox uses integrated debain what are you guys talking? :D | 14:02 |
| xalyy_ | Both of the machines running on debian | 14:02 |
| AlanBell | so you have a windows host with some debian derivative that isn't Ubuntu as a guest | 14:03 |
| AlanBell | and another cloud server that isn't running Ubuntu | 14:03 |
| penguin42 | xalyy_: Sorry, you really need to draw it out - what exactly are you running | 14:03 |
| xalyy_ | I am running windows on the windows I am running a Virtualmachine under Oracle VM, my dedicated is located somewhere in the US my dedicated not belongs to my personal computer, my dedicated runs under debian | 14:04 |
| xalyy_ | good? :P | 14:04 |
| AlanBell | so, why do you think we can help with that? | 14:04 |
| xalyy_ | Why not? | 14:04 |
| penguin42 | but how is your dedicated related to your virtualbox mess? | 14:04 |
| xalyy_ | I said first Im testing proxmox on the oracle vm then I want to move on my dedicated and fix everything like on my comp | 14:05 |
| * SuperEngineer gets ready to type !-t-o-p-i-c :D | 14:05 | |
| xalyy_ | Because the two machine have the same problem | 14:05 |
| penguin42 | SuperEngineer: Well to be fair we rarely are on topic in here | 14:05 |
| SuperEngineer | double lol | 14:05 |
| penguin42 | SuperEngineer: Indeed being on topic might be off topic | 14:06 |
| SuperEngineer | triple lol | 14:06 |
| xalyy_ | Now do you understand the setup? :D | 14:07 |
| popey | I do. I think. | 14:07 |
| penguin42 | xalyy_: Look, you're just learning this stuff - you need to start simpler; and nesting VMs is not a good way to start learning | 14:07 |
| popey | But I never use VirtualBox on Windows so can't help with that. | 14:07 |
| AlanBell | xalyy_: so, for the virtualbox thing, you need to arrange for the guest to get an IP address, I have no idea if you are being blocked by a windows firewall setup or if the proxmox networking doesn't like the virtualbox card or something else | 14:07 |
| popey | he's not nesting VMs penguin42, why do you think he is? | 14:07 |
| AlanBell | popey: proxmox is virtualisation software | 14:07 |
| popey | right, but he hasn't got that far yet | 14:08 |
| xalyy_ | What is nesting? | 14:08 |
| AlanBell | with a web gui, which should run, even if it doesn't let you start VMs | 14:08 |
| popey | exactly | 14:08 |
| xalyy_ | Yeah | 14:08 |
| AlanBell | xalyy_: running VMs within VMs is nesting | 14:08 |
| popey | sounds just like the vm doesn't have an ip yet | 14:08 |
| penguin42 | ah, so he's just trying to run the management stuff in the windows virtualbox? | 14:08 |
| popey | that he can point to | 14:08 |
| xalyy_ | Ohh | 14:08 |
| penguin42 | popey: But where are the VMs? | 14:08 |
| popey | they dont exist yet, clearly | 14:08 |
| xalyy_ | Yess | 14:08 |
| popey | given he can't get to the admin console | 14:09 |
| xalyy_ | I am trying to setup proxmox on the oracle vm | 14:09 |
| penguin42 | popey: Ohhhh | 14:09 |
| * popey sleeps | 14:10 | |
| penguin42 | popey: Just looky you weren't pulled into a floridian sinkhole | 14:10 |
| AlanBell | so, problem 1, your debian thing in virtualbox needs to be on your local network | 14:10 |
| AlanBell | and it isn't right now | 14:10 |
| xalyy_ | Ok! | 14:10 |
| xalyy_ | How to fix it belly :D | 14:10 |
| AlanBell | sudo dhclient might give you a clue | 14:11 |
| xalyy_ | Wait first how do I exit under |less | 14:11 |
| xalyy_ | ifconfig |less | 14:11 |
| AlanBell | q | 14:11 |
| xalyy_ | Thanks | 14:12 |
| AlanBell | I think perhaps you are running before walking here | 14:12 |
| * penguin42 agrees | 14:12 | |
| xalyy_ | Umm | 14:12 |
| xalyy_ | dhclient not done anything | 14:12 |
| xalyy_ | RTNETLINL asnwers: File exists! | 14:13 |
| xalyy_ | Lol you dont say | 14:13 |
| MartijnVdS | that usually means a route already exists | 14:14 |
| xalyy_ | Ohh | 14:14 |
| MartijnVdS | doesn't hurt | 14:14 |
| xalyy_ | Great :D Next command? | 14:14 |
| xalyy_ | WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW | 14:16 |
| xalyy_ | GUYS what happened?? | 14:16 |
| xalyy_ | Its just works now... | 14:16 |
| xalyy_ | But how is this possible? dhclient done the magic or which command? | 14:16 |
| penguin42 | AlanBell's telepathy probably | 14:17 |
| xalyy_ | :DD | 14:17 |
| xalyy_ | Seriously I have to know exactly, because I have to fix the dedicated too :P | 14:17 |
| penguin42 | xalyy_: If you manually ran dhclient that would do it, but that suggests that you just needed to configure proxmox to run dhclient | 14:19 |
| xalyy_ | So you mean proxmox is not starting dhclient properly? | 14:19 |
| xalyy_ | By the way what is dhclient | 14:19 |
| penguin42 | xalyy_: dhclient is the thing that sends and receives dhcp requests on the network; | 14:20 |
| penguin42 | xalyy_: You need to go and learn some basic networking/linux admin stuff I think before trying to debug this much! | 14:21 |
| xalyy_ | But I doesn't even know why I have to debug, I mean I watched 5 video tutroials where the guys installs the proxmox on a VM or VPS or Dedicated but they got it working right away after installed | 14:22 |
| AlanBell | the dedicated serer has got an IP address, or you wouldn't be connecting to it | 14:22 |
| xalyy_ | I can connect to the dedicated server without the dedicated connecting to the internet :D | 14:22 |
| AlanBell | ok, serial port debugging or is it really virtualised? | 14:23 |
| xalyy_ | Umm? | 14:23 |
| AlanBell | huh, that virtual KVM window . . . | 14:23 |
| xalyy_ | Yes | 14:23 |
| xalyy_ | Drac | 14:23 |
| AlanBell | your dedi is running under a KVM host? | 14:23 |
| xalyy_ | Running under Drac | 14:24 |
| xalyy_ | I heard its a small computer on the dedi | 14:24 |
| xalyy_ | It has other ip | 14:24 |
| xalyy_ | Then the dedi | 14:24 |
| AlanBell | /o\ | 14:24 |
| xalyy_ | Is it a bell? :D | 14:24 |
| xalyy_ | On the dedicated dhclient did not worked still not loads the :8006 website gui I think I have to reinstall everything... | 14:25 |
| xalyy_ | What you say? | 14:25 |
| xalyy_ | Do I reiinstall proxmox os completly? | 14:25 |
| AlanBell | I have no further opinion on the matter :) | 14:26 |
| xalyy_ | Ok I reinstall it, I have time :D | 14:26 |
| xalyy_ | Do you have idea why the VM is so slow? I mean the virtual media session | 14:27 |
| xalyy_ | It uploading really slow | 14:27 |
| DJones | Can you copy a virtualbox machine from one computer to another, or do configuration options get messed up when you do | 14:27 |
| AlanBell | DJones: yes, and maybe | 14:28 |
| AlanBell | but it is fixable | 14:28 |
| xalyy_ | Problem is | 14:28 |
| AlanBell | or you copy the config options too | 14:28 |
| xalyy_ | Dedicated does not have DHCP so I have to manually config the network files... :S | 14:28 |
| xalyy_ | So it would be double messy | 14:28 |
| xalyy_ | Can hostname be anything on the dedicated? | 14:29 |
| xalyy_ | Or does it counts? | 14:29 |
| DJones | AlanBell: Thanks, I've got two Windows installs and was planning on copying both folders including all files & subdirectories, its got .vbox & .vdi file, along with a Logs folder | 14:29 |
| shauno | xalyy_: you really need to ask your host what your network settings should be. we simply can't guess them | 14:31 |
| DJones | I'm expecting some issues because they're both Windows installs, XP & Win 7 | 14:31 |
| AlanBell | DJones: look in .virtualbox too | 14:31 |
| AlanBell | .Virtualbox even | 14:31 |
| AlanBell | gah ~/.VirtualBox | 14:31 |
| DJones | AlanBell: Thanks for heads up | 14:31 |
| AlanBell | VirtualBox.xml in there is the config settings mostly | 14:32 |
| xalyy_ | shauno: but is there a way to guess my dedicated hostname from the dedicated ip or something? | 14:32 |
| AlanBell | xalyy_: really, you need to ask your ISP about this, you are not running Ubuntu and we are not your ISP :) | 14:33 |
| xalyy_ | What? | 14:33 |
| xalyy_ | My dedicated not running ubuntu? | 14:33 |
| shauno | I can't change my answer just because it's not the one you wanted, I'm afraid | 14:33 |
| xalyy_ | What are you talking about :D | 14:33 |
| xalyy_ | I mean debian is not similiar to ubuntu? | 14:34 |
| AlanBell | it is not Ubuntu, no | 14:35 |
| xalyy_ | Thanks for the help guys for all this :D | 14:41 |
| xalyy_ | Something not good... Cmon.. I can't beleive this, I rebooted the oracle vm and now the web ui not working again | 14:57 |
| xalyy_ | Typed dhclient several times but not helps | 14:57 |
| xalyy_ | what is this?! | 14:57 |
| the_rocker | hi guys | 15:04 |
| knightwise | hey everyone | 15:40 |
| knightwise | small question : I have a 24 inch imac with a Core2Duo processor | 15:41 |
| knightwise | what version of Ubuntu do i choose : The PC , the 64bit PC or the 64bit MAC version ? | 15:41 |
| BigRedS | I'd go with 64bit mac | 15:42 |
| knightwise | BigRedS: ok Thats the one i'm downloading. | 15:43 |
| knightwise | funny that there is no 64bit MAC version of Xubuntu to download | 15:43 |
| knightwise | I'll just punch XFCE on there after install i guess | 15:43 |
| knightwise | I was thinking about putting elementary on there (because it looks realy good) but ... i wasn't sure what version of 12.04 its based on | 15:45 |
| knightwise | the 64 bit or the MAC64 bit | 15:45 |
| xalyy_ | How can I check the network is working fine to stream the proxmox web gui? On dedicated server | 15:45 |
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| BigRedS | xalyy_ what do you mean? Where is the web gui supposed to be? | 16:16 |
| BigRedS | you may have more luck in a more proxmox-focussed channel | 16:16 |
| xalyy_ | mydedicatedip:8006 | 16:16 |
| BigRedS | okay, so is it firewalled off? | 16:16 |
| BigRedS | can you connect to that at all? | 16:17 |
| BigRedS | you say you want to " check the network is working fine"; what makes you think it isn't? | 16:17 |
| xalyy_ | Idk | 16:19 |
| xalyy_ | On my comp it working fine on my oracle vm | 16:19 |
| xalyy_ | But the dedi's proxmox gui not workig | 16:20 |
| AlanBell | xalyy_: can you at least ping it? | 16:31 |
| xalyy_ | Yes lol | 16:31 |
| xalyy_ | You meant my Dedis ip? | 16:31 |
| AlanBell | so you don't have a network problem | 16:31 |
| xalyy_ | Yes I can ping my dedi's ip | 16:32 |
| xalyy_ | from my comp | 16:32 |
| AlanBell | ok, but you are getting no response from the web server port? | 16:33 |
| AlanBell | can the server connect to itself on that port? | 16:33 |
| AlanBell | so lynx localhost:8006 | 16:33 |
| xalyy_ | Type that command on my dedi? | 16:33 |
| AlanBell | yeah, is it serving anything for you to connect to? | 16:34 |
| xalyy_ | Alert! | 16:35 |
| xalyy_ | Unexpected network read error | 16:35 |
| AlanBell | try lynx localhost:1234 | 16:37 |
| AlanBell | just to compare error messages | 16:37 |
| AlanBell | Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host. would be the error I would expect | 16:38 |
| AlanBell | however you are not running Ubuntu so it might be different (which is why you should be going to an appropriate place for proxmox support) | 16:39 |
| xalyy_ | Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host. | 16:39 |
| AlanBell | ok, so that is the error message when connecting to a port with nothing happening on it | 16:42 |
| AlanBell | so the thing you are expecting to be running on 8006 isn't, so you need to go solve that problem | 16:42 |
| xalyy_ | How? :D | 16:43 |
| BigRedS | that depends on what it is that should be running there and what hte OS is | 16:45 |
| xalyy_ | Its debian | 16:47 |
| xalyy_ | and there should be running proxmox i said :P | 16:47 |
| BigRedS | okay, like I said earlier I think this would be quicker if you find someone who knows proxmox | 16:52 |
| BigRedS | but netstat -ntlp | grep 8006 should tell you if anything is bound to that port | 16:52 |
| xalyy_ | It says listen | 16:53 |
| xalyy_ | But who and where should I find someone | 16:54 |
| BigRedS | not sure; does proxmox have an irc channel? | 16:54 |
| daftykins | wow, this topic still? >_< | 16:58 |
| daftykins | xalyy_: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && netstat -tuln | pastebinit | 17:00 |
| xalyy_ | Whats daT? | 17:00 |
| daftykins | a program to pastebin the output of that command so we can see | 17:01 |
| knightwise | If you have any questions regarding proxmox you might want to ask Lord Drachenblut for advice | 17:01 |
| xalyy_ | Is he here? | 17:05 |
| daftykins | run what i said | 17:11 |
| andylockran | heya guys | 17:36 |
| daftykins | hi sir | 17:41 |
| mapps | hey daftykins | 18:20 |
| mapps | andatche, | 18:20 |
| mapps | andylockran, | 18:20 |
| daftykins | \o | 18:20 |
| mapps | sup mate | 18:21 |
| daftykins | not bad here ty, just doing chores and what not today | 18:34 |
| daftykins | tried looking at doing my tax return online, so a seriously exciting sunday! | 18:34 |
| daftykins | why do tax websites assume you know their acronyms O_O | 18:36 |
| daftykins | "ETI" | 18:36 |
| penguin42 | ETI? | 18:36 |
| DJones | popey: Just as a heads up, Bitfolk's minecraft server looks to be down, I'm not in their minecraft channel to highlight you or grifferz there | 18:37 |
| MartijnVdS | well then: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00338.html | 18:41 |
| shauno | yay? | 18:45 |
| MartijnVdS | shauno: I wonder how Ubuntu is going to handle that.. they started/sponsor upstart | 18:45 |
| shauno | oh I'm not thinking that far ahead. I'm just hoping it means a ceasation to hostilities. peace to all man and stuff like that | 18:46 |
| MartijnVdS | nah, because "we're going for systemd" was clear | 18:46 |
| MartijnVdS | that was always going to be the outcome of that vote | 18:47 |
| MartijnVdS | what I want to see is the other points: will maintainers be required to accept patches to make software work with other init systems or not? | 18:47 |
| popey | DJones: ta | 18:48 |
| directhex | upstart is dead now. | 18:50 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: well, it will be in the LTS for another few years | 18:51 |
| MartijnVdS | and it's in ChromeOS, I think? | 18:51 |
| directhex | the init system that only ubuntu uses. every upstream will be using systemd dependencies (gnome does already, kde does for wayland & will for x.org soon, xfce will soon). canonical can spend money on continuing to duplicate systemd functionality in upstart, or spend less just binning it & using systemd | 18:51 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: yes, but my point is that it's too late for 14.04 | 18:52 |
| directhex | or say "we don't care" and be the distro without kde, gnome or xfce | 18:52 |
| MartijnVdS | 14.10, sure | 18:52 |
| directhex | MartijnVdS, oh, sure, 14.04 will be upstart | 18:52 |
| directhex | okay, upstart is bleeding out, but still breathing | 18:52 |
| MartijnVdS | I just wished the systemd supporters didn't sound so much like a cult | 18:53 |
| MartijnVdS | "IT'S BETTER BECAUSE IT IS" | 18:53 |
| popey | only ubuntu.. and every derivative | 18:53 |
| daftykins | lmao | 18:53 |
| popey | which probably (speculating) accounts for more installs of upstart than all total installs of systemd.. probably | 18:54 |
| ali1234 | systemd is technically massively better than upstart | 18:54 |
| popey | i don't doubt that ☻ | 18:54 |
| ali1234 | the only reason people don't like systemd is because of lennart | 18:54 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: yes, except nobody seems to be able to explain how | 18:54 |
| directhex | popey, valve using sysvinit will eclipse both :D | 18:54 |
| popey | upstart will live on in 14.04 for years | 18:54 |
| ali1234 | otoh the only reason people don't like upstart is because of canonical | 18:54 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: also Lennart, ture. | 18:54 |
| popey | directhex: how many steamos installs? | 18:54 |
| directhex | popey, give it a few months... | 18:54 |
| ali1234 | really either one of them is perfectly able to do what debian requires | 18:54 |
| popey | given how many chrome laptops seem to have been sold, they're doing pretty well | 18:55 |
| popey | i tire of the "only ubuntu" comment, given how many servers and clients that amounts to | 18:55 |
| popey | if it dies, it dies, so be it | 18:55 |
| ali1234 | it amounts to diddly squat compared to windows | 18:55 |
| popey | indeed | 18:55 |
| ali1234 | if install base was the only important thing, we shouldn't be using linux at all | 18:56 |
| directhex | don't forget webos! all those pre's! | 18:56 |
| popey | jolla is systemd isnt it? | 18:56 |
| ali1234 | of course it is | 18:57 |
| ali1234 | it's based on meego | 18:57 |
| popey | ah yes | 18:57 |
| directhex | ubuntu doesn't exist in a vacuum. as long as they use components from gnome, kde, xfce, they can either continue to emulate systemd or move to systemd - or, as is the case currently, fix with antique versions of the underlying bits | 18:57 |
| popey | well we're not moving to systemd till at least 14.10 | 18:58 |
| popey | be surprised if we did even then | 18:58 |
| ali1234 | incidentally, xfce will not require systemd any time soon | 18:58 |
| popey | quite fancy a steamos box under the telly | 18:59 |
| popey | also fancy a better telly | 18:59 |
| ali1234 | unlike debian, xfce actually has a significant install base on bsd | 18:59 |
| ali1234 | well ok, it's probably smaller than debian's, but as a percentage of total user base it's bigger | 19:02 |
| ali1234 | is it just me or is scan's today only page now basically a list of everything they sell? | 19:25 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: It's not quite that big for me | 19:32 |
| mapps | yo | 20:05 |
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| foobarry | what's the best app for ripping mp3? | 20:19 |
| foobarry | clementine isn't working with audio cd's | 20:19 |
| foobarry | looks like a kde/phonon issue | 20:20 |
| popey | AlanBell: we need to organise a release party! | 21:07 |
| AlanBell | yes! | 21:08 |
| AlanBell | April 17th is the release date | 21:09 |
| popey | oof, really? | 21:10 |
| popey | !trusty | 21:10 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) will be the 20th release of Ubuntu. See the announcement at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295 for more info. support in #ubuntu+1 | 21:10 |
| popey | I thought it was 24th | 21:10 |
| popey | so it is | 21:10 |
| AlanBell | next to good friday | 21:18 |
| shauno | I'm kinda curous what the upgrade from lucid will be like | 21:18 |
| daftykins | heh i plan to just clean install my servers | 21:29 |
| shauno | I kinda do both | 21:32 |
| shauno | I also completely over-use the word 'kinda'. but still | 21:33 |
| shauno | bitfolk have a fantastic policy where they'll provide you with a second VM for a transition period of .. I think 2 weeks? | 21:33 |
| shauno | I try not to abuse this (I mean, I'm still on lucid), but usually I'll do this, and then try to migrate the original just to see how much it hurts | 21:34 |
| BigRedS | I've generally found that migrating to a new install is more faff than dist-upgrading in-place3 | 21:35 |
| BigRedS | though I do tend to make a bit of a mess, easiest to just let the computer deal with noticing what's installed and where | 21:35 |
| shauno | I like the clean starts. I tend to accumulate cruft | 21:37 |
| BigRedS | yeah, I like to keep that cruft :) | 21:39 |
| BigRedS | mostly I'll go through stuff pre-upgrade and remove obviously-uneccesary things | 21:39 |
| daftykins | more faff perhaps, but less likely to go wonky? :> | 21:39 |
| BigRedS | but otherwise there's just this long period of remembering that thing that I used to have running and what was it that made that work again? | 21:39 |
| daftykins | that's why i take notes like an engineer | 21:40 |
| shauno | I have a fairly short list of expectations for my VM. narrowing it back down to those every upgrade tends to be quite productive | 21:40 |
| BigRedS | daftykins that sounds too much like work | 21:41 |
| daftykins | hahaha | 21:43 |
| shauno | well, I keep my vps for a narrow task set. so it's nowhere near as painful as it sounds | 21:45 |
| popey | shauno: try it? ☻ | 21:47 |
| daftykins | wee cat vid: https://www.dropbox.com/s/27ibqn579402aai/VID_20140209_214132.mp4 | 21:47 |
| popey | i have a lucid vps, might skip precise on that and go direct to trusty | 21:48 |
| shauno | oh I'll try it. but I'll ping andy to brew me a new VM first :) | 21:48 |
| shauno | my vps is my mail & dns servers. curiousity is always a plan B | 21:49 |
| daftykins | :) | 21:53 |
| daftykins | i continue to be under the impression that ones own email running is a pain | 21:54 |
| shauno | oh it is | 21:54 |
| shauno | it totally $(inappropriate metaphor)'s the big one | 21:55 |
| shauno | but the alternatives are all pretty dire | 21:55 |
| daftykins | i'm happy to live on gmail, if i setup a company and have a domain for it i might just fiddle with 'send as' from that | 21:56 |
| daftykins | although Google Apps for 1 user @ £33/yr would be tempting | 21:56 |
| popey | https://github.com/mbebenita/Broadway golly | 21:56 |
| shauno | well, that's a large part of the problem. gmail is basically the alternative at this point. and I trust them less and less every day | 21:56 |
| daftykins | they are certainly growing in evil it would seem | 21:57 |
| shauno | that, and for me, it's a useful skillset to keeep warm | 22:00 |
| daftykins | :) | 22:06 |
| daftykins | very true | 22:06 |
| shauno | we have a lot of legacy devices that still use smtp for transmission (everything from the last 15 years uses https) | 22:08 |
| shauno | so being able to 'speak' smtp comes in way too useful, far too often | 22:09 |
| daftykins | shauno: the raw command style? :D | 22:35 |
| shauno | in a lot of cases, yes :( "send me a packet trace" is my default "if I couldn't guess in 5 minutes" | 22:36 |
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