[04:07] <daftykins> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOMX3deeW6Q
[04:07] <daftykins> not the first and certainly not the last :)
[04:07] <daftykins> "
[04:07] <daftykins> 'Tainted Love' Performed By Disk Drives Will Have You Geek Out"
[06:33] <mapps> hey
[06:42] <MartijnVdS> \o
[06:42] <MartijnVdS> kernel is still compiling :|
[06:42] <mapps> hey MartijnVdS
[06:42] <mapps> just gets up?
[06:42] <MartijnVdS> raspberry pi...
[06:42] <MartijnVdS> mapps: yeah
[06:42] <mapps> i just got home:D went on casino and now vodka and sprite
[06:42] <mapps> :D
[06:45] <MartijnVdS> ooh! ooh!
[06:45] <MartijnVdS>   LINK    vmlinux
[06:45] <MartijnVdS> http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19c35oidyf35igif/original.gif
[07:57] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: for reference: Raspberry Pi kernel compile on the Pi took about 12 hours (@ 900MHz, "Medium" overclock setting)
[08:12] <xalyy> hey
[08:13] <xalyy> someone used proxmox before?
[09:04] <directhex> gah, chrome is broken
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> directhex: how?
[09:18] <directhex> dunno. i deleted the config folder & fixed itr
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> oh you hit the "Couldn't load your profile" bug?
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> I get that every few months
[09:28] <popey> i had that recently
[09:28] <popey> after my laptop died when out of battery
[09:54] <brobostigon> good morning boys and girls.
[10:35] <popey> yo
[10:38] <brobostigon> morning popey
[11:24] <czajkowski> aaloha
[11:24] <czajkowski> so trusty is running nicely
[11:24] <xalyy> hEyt
[11:24] <xalyy> Someone used proxmox before? :S
[11:24] <czajkowski> I still have that annoying bug which find it hard to reproduce but does exist. where you shut down your machine and it restarts. most anonying when you#'re on a plane
[11:26] <xalyy> Can someone help me about proxmox?
[11:32] <czajkowski> xalyy: it's kinda quiet in here at the weekend, maybe explain the problem abd someone might see it
[11:32] <xalyy> Okay
[11:33] <xalyy> Well I made a virutal box for testing out the proxmox and installed the iso then tried to open the https://myip:8006 web interface but it not works
[11:43] <popey> czajkowski: i never shut my laptop down
[11:49] <popey> uhm. system settings seems to be missing a date/time thing in trusty
[11:49] <popey> or am I blind
[11:49] <popey> I can't see how to change my time (am in the wrong timezone)
[11:51] <AlanBell> popey: mine is gone too
[11:53] <popey> AlanBell: bug 1278063
[11:53] <popey> pls confirm
[11:54] <Laney> do you have unity-control-center-datetime installed?
[11:54] <Laney> oh sorry, got to go
[11:55] <ali1234> gooby pls
[11:55] <AlanBell> Laney: nope, I didn't have that
[11:56] <ali1234> will that also fix bug 1074314?
[11:57] <popey> Laney: I didn't, just figured that out and updated the bug
[12:03] <ali1234> lol so the reason it's broken is because they renamed the panel and then forgot to update the gnome .desktop
[12:05] <AlanBell> or have not yet got round to updating the .desktop
[12:06] <ali1234> change was commited two weeks ago
[12:06] <popey> bug 1277900 also
[12:06] <awilkins> xalyy, Have you set up the NAT stuff for your VM?
[12:06] <popey> oof
[12:06] <popey> bug 1277900 also
[12:06] <popey> silly bot ☻
[12:07] <ali1234> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-datetime/trunk.14.04/revision/300
[12:07] <ali1234> i take back what i previously said
[12:07] <ali1234> it's actually been intentionally broken
[12:10] <xalyy> awilkins: What you mean?
[12:11] <awilkins> xalyy, When you have a VM, it's isolated from the network unless you specifically set up network ports for other machines to communicate with it
[12:11] <ali1234> popey: your other bug is a dupe, at least for datetime
[12:11] <awilkins> The default setup on VirtualBox is, AFAIK, NAT
[12:11] <popey> feel free to mark it as such
[12:11] <popey> i thougt it might be but couldn't see another
[12:11] <awilkins> Which means you have to map ports on the VM to ports on your host machine if you want to communicate with the server inside
[12:12] <awilkins> Have a look at the "Advanced" dialog in the network setup
[12:12] <ali1234> you'll have to change your shortcut because the panel applet has been renamed in order to prevent it from working with g-c-c, this will also invalidate your shortcut
[12:12] <popey> or bin and re-create it I guess.
[12:12] <popey> shame
[12:12] <ali1234> just change "indicator-datetime" to "datetime"
[12:12] <popey> it was sound, but I understand
[12:13] <ali1234> and g-c-c to u-c-c
[12:13] <popey> just removed it and re-dragged it in from the dash
[12:14] <ali1234> also why the heck do you have shortcuts to individual settings on the launcher?
[12:14] <popey> you are not the first to ask this ☻
[12:14] <popey> I use the sound applet a lot
[12:14] <ali1234> so do i but i just clik the sound indicator
[12:14] <popey> docking station + bluetooth headphones + linux = annoyance
[12:14] <xalyy> Ok im back
[12:14] <popey> faster to super+9
[12:14] <popey> for me
[12:14] <ali1234> no.
[12:15] <popey> my sound menu is huge, so click then go all the way to the bottom to get sound settings
[12:15] <xalyy> So
[12:15] <xalyy> Im here at the advanced settings
[12:15] <xalyy> Do I have to add the 8006 port?
[12:15] <popey> xalyy: no, I'd just change NAT to Bridged and restart the VM
[12:16] <ali1234> clean it out?
[12:16] <xalyy> Okay
[12:16] <popey> still easier to use launcher
[12:16] <ali1234> it really needs an easier way to remove every audio player ever
[12:16] <popey> annoying i have to use it so much
[12:16] <popey> yeah
[12:16] <xalyy> Still not works
[12:17] <ali1234> you know what's even easier? having a settings menu on the panel
[12:17] <popey> i dont use most settings, only sound
[12:17] <ali1234> and the other four ones :)
[12:17] <popey> well, and bluetooth
[12:17] <xalyy> I switched to nat
[12:17] <xalyy> But still not shows the website
[12:18] <popey> xalyy: bridged, not nat, and restart the vm
[12:18] <xalyy> I mean to bridged
[12:18] <xalyy> Sorry mistyped :D
[12:18] <popey> right, and find out what IP the VM has once booted
[12:18] <xalyy> https://192.168.1.101:8006/
[12:18] <xalyy> but not worksss
[12:18] <popey> point your browser at that http://I.p.address:8006/
[12:18] <xalyy> like before
[12:18] <xalyy> :S
[12:18] <popey> did you restart the vm?
[12:20] <xalyy> Why is it not working? :(
[12:20] <popey> did you restart the vm?
[12:20] <xalyy> Yes
[12:20] <popey> inside the vm, if you 'telnet 192.168.1.101 8006' do you get a response?
[12:21] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/18524a7c76cc6319d8c2fa86cab9837a.png
[12:21] <xalyy> This is what i got
[12:22] <awilkins> That looks promising
[12:23] <xalyy> what is the next step? :D
[12:24] <popey> http://imgur.com/0qvXxNd
[12:24] <popey> thats what I do to test
[12:28] <xalyy> ok
[12:29] <xalyy> I not got what u got but ok :D
[12:30] <popey> you got a response of some kind?
[12:32] <xalyy> i got what i sent
[12:33] <xalyy> U saw the pic?
[12:46] <xalyy> Anyone?
[12:52] <awilkins> xalyy, You got a response - it connected and dropped, rather than timing out
[12:53] <awilkins> xalyy, That means there is a server running with that port open, rather than nothing being there
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> wow.. cross-compiling a RPi kernel: 5 minutes. Compiling a kernel on the pi: 24 hours (including docs/manual/etc. packages)
[13:01] <ali1234> the kernel is very easy to cross compile tho
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: yes, I know that now :)
[13:02] <ali1234> pretty much nothing else is so easy
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> because of library dependencies
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> installing a cross-compiler is easy, but for most other things you need at least libc
[13:04] <penguin42> with multiarch it's not as bad as it was - can get the libs in
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: even of incompatible archs?
[13:12] <MartijnVdS>  192.168.3.249   .GPS.            1 u   34   64    3    0.581    0.203   0.014
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[13:13] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Yes
[13:13] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: installing libs normally isn't a problem (as long as their multiarch safe - not everything is)
[13:14] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Sometime need to have qemu installed incase the installation scripts need to run something
[13:33] <xalyy_> Im back! Connection lost
[13:33] <xalyy_> awilkins then what can I do to solve the problem
[13:34] <xalyy_> Yo?
[13:35] <xalyy_> Is somebody here or everybody sleepig again? :D
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> !patience
[13:36] <popey> xalyy: we established your server is running
[13:36] <xalyy_> I searched like 1 day without any luck, thats why I moved to here
[13:37] <xalyy_> Thanks
[13:37] <xalyy_> But if the server is running then why the web interface not loads?
[13:37] <xalyy_> I don't know what I done wrong... I configured the network and this was a fresh install nothing modified
[13:38] <xalyy_> Same problem with my dedicated not working there too
[13:40] <AlanBell> xalyy_: you are running proxmox inside a vm?
[13:40] <xalyy_> Yes
[13:41] <xalyy_> First I trying to test it on my computer on virtualbox
[13:41] <xalyy_> Then move it to dedicated
[13:41] <xalyy_> But it's not even work in my PC
[13:41] <AlanBell> well I would kind of expect some issues running it nested
[13:41] <AlanBell> however I would expect the web UI to work
[13:42] <AlanBell> can you get to the web UI from inside the guest itself?
[13:42] <xalyy_> How??
[13:42] <xalyy_> It don't have Desktop enviroment
[13:42] <AlanBell> does the guest operating system have a GUI?
[13:42] <AlanBell> ok, how about lynx or something
[13:42] <xalyy_> Lynx?
[13:43] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get install lynx
[13:43] <awilkins> Text-mode browser
[13:43] <xalyy_> Okay
[13:43] <AlanBell> then lynx localhost:8006 or whever it is
[13:43] <xalyy_> Okay! I try it ty
[13:44] <AlanBell> not expecting it to work well, but it should be enough to recognise whether it is working at all
[13:45] <xalyy_> http://gyazo.com/4d0d231e12c41a44c661f415acd6d203.png :(
[13:45] <popey> is that from inside the vm or outside?
[13:45] <popey> oh, inside
[13:46] <xalyy_> Inside
[13:46] <AlanBell> ok, so forget about port mapping for a bit, until you get it serving locally
[13:47] <awilkins> Try http://localhost:8006
[13:47] <popey> its not ssl?
[13:47] <AlanBell> that isn't right anyway, why is it trying to resolve the IP address?
[13:47] <awilkins> Yes... maybe that also counts
[13:47] <awilkins> so https://localhost:8006
[13:47] <xalyy_> Tried localhost first then 192.168.
[13:48] <popey> what ip does the vm have?
[13:48] <popey> note that it will not be the same ip as your host
[13:48] <xalyy_> Umm local ip?
[13:48] <popey> ifconfig inside the vm will tell you
[13:48] <popey> with bridged the vm gets an ip address like any other host
[13:48] <popey> not the same as your host
[13:48] <popey> so you may just be using the wrong ip
[13:48] <xalyy_> How can I scroll up?
[13:48] <xalyy_> on virtualbox :D
[13:49] <AlanBell> ifconfig|less
[13:49] <popey> page up?
[13:49] <popey> ip addr | grep 192
[13:49] <popey> probbaly 192.168.1.102 ☻
[13:50] <xalyy_> 127.0.0.1??
[13:50] <popey> thats localhost on interface lo
[13:50] <xalyy_> http://gyazo.com/3c26517b8021025feb075821731aef16.png
[13:50]  * AlanBell doesn't think there is an active network card in the guest
[13:50] <popey> what about interface eth0 ?
[13:50] <MooDoo> directhex: but I want a valve code, my key is I AMDI RECT HEX ;)
[13:50] <xalyy_> http://gyazo.com/a6259dd025f285d39c2d05ecc82bb6be.png
[13:51] <popey> these cropped screenshots annoy me ☻
[13:51] <xalyy_> Sorry :D
[13:51] <popey> so no ip on eth0
[13:52] <popey> what OS is the guest?
[13:53] <xalyy_> Proxmox 3.1 VE
[13:53] <penguin42> no, in the VM, not on the host
[13:54] <AlanBell> penguin42: that is running nested in the guest
[13:54] <penguin42> ooohhhh - nested is fun
[13:54] <xalyy_> what host?
[13:54] <xalyy_> loll
[13:54] <AlanBell> which is . . . going to hurt, but the web UI should work
[13:54] <popey> wat
[13:54] <xalyy_> waittt
[13:54] <popey> this sounds odd, i dont understand what on earth is going on here
[13:54] <xalyy_> guys u think i meant that there is a vm under my dedi?
[13:55] <popey> this is a remote machine with virtualbox instaled on it?
[13:55] <popey> and proxmox as the guest?
[13:55] <penguin42> xalyy_: You need to go back a step; put a webpage together that shows what your setup is - completely so we can understand
[13:55] <xalyy_> OK wait
[13:55] <AlanBell> or local desktop with virtualbox with proxmox inside it?
[13:55] <AlanBell> turtles all the way down
[13:56] <popey> xalyy_: explain the setup
[13:56] <AlanBell> the guest isn't getting an IP address, so you think that is set up with a bridged networking card, and your router is capable of assigning an extra DHCP address?
[13:58] <xalyy_> Sec
[13:59] <xalyy_> http://i.imgbox.com/DNNIsAtM.png
[14:00] <awilkins> Uuuuurgh, host OS is Windows :P
[14:01] <popey> that diagram doesn't help
[14:01] <AlanBell> so, where is Ubuntu in all this?
[14:02] <popey> explain it...
[14:02] <popey> "i have a blah running blah and in that there's blah running blah"
[14:02]  * awilkins bobs off to get some food
[14:02] <xalyy_>   Proxmox uses integrated debain what are you guys talking? :D
[14:02] <xalyy_> Both of the machines running on debian
[14:03] <AlanBell> so you have a windows host with some debian derivative that isn't Ubuntu as a guest
[14:03] <AlanBell> and another cloud server that isn't running Ubuntu
[14:03] <penguin42> xalyy_: Sorry, you really need to draw it out - what exactly are you running
[14:04] <xalyy_> I am running windows on the windows I am running a Virtualmachine under Oracle VM, my dedicated is located somewhere in the US my dedicated not belongs to my personal computer, my dedicated runs under debian
[14:04] <xalyy_> good? :P
[14:04] <AlanBell> so, why do you think we can help with that?
[14:04] <xalyy_> Why not?
[14:04] <penguin42> but how is your dedicated related to your virtualbox mess?
[14:05] <xalyy_> I said first Im testing proxmox on the oracle vm then I want to move on my dedicated and fix everything like on my comp
[14:05]  * SuperEngineer gets ready to type !-t-o-p-i-c  :D
[14:05] <xalyy_> Because the two machine have the same problem
[14:05] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Well to be fair we rarely are on topic in here
[14:05] <SuperEngineer> double lol
[14:06] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Indeed being on topic might be off topic
[14:06] <SuperEngineer> triple lol
[14:07] <xalyy_> Now do you understand the setup? :D
[14:07] <popey> I do. I think.
[14:07] <penguin42> xalyy_: Look, you're just learning this stuff - you need to start simpler; and nesting VMs is not a good way to start learning
[14:07] <popey> But I never use VirtualBox on Windows so can't help with that.
[14:07] <AlanBell> xalyy_: so, for the virtualbox thing, you need to arrange for the guest to get an IP address, I have no idea if you are being blocked by a windows firewall setup or if the proxmox networking doesn't like the virtualbox card or something else
[14:07] <popey> he's not nesting VMs penguin42, why do you think he is?
[14:07] <AlanBell> popey: proxmox is virtualisation software
[14:08] <popey> right, but he hasn't got that far yet
[14:08] <xalyy_> What is nesting?
[14:08] <AlanBell> with a web gui, which should run, even if it doesn't let you start VMs
[14:08] <popey> exactly
[14:08] <xalyy_> Yeah
[14:08] <AlanBell> xalyy_: running VMs within VMs is nesting
[14:08] <popey> sounds just like the vm doesn't have an ip yet
[14:08] <penguin42> ah, so he's just trying to run the management stuff in the windows virtualbox?
[14:08] <popey> that he can point to
[14:08] <xalyy_> Ohh
[14:08] <penguin42> popey: But where are the VMs?
[14:08] <popey> they dont exist yet, clearly
[14:08] <xalyy_> Yess
[14:09] <popey> given he can't get to the admin console
[14:09] <xalyy_> I am trying to setup proxmox on the oracle vm
[14:09] <penguin42> popey: Ohhhh
[14:10]  * popey sleeps
[14:10] <penguin42> popey: Just looky you weren't pulled into a floridian sinkhole
[14:10] <AlanBell> so, problem 1, your debian thing in virtualbox needs to be on your local network
[14:10] <AlanBell> and it isn't right now
[14:10] <xalyy_> Ok!
[14:10] <xalyy_> How to fix it belly :D
[14:11] <AlanBell> sudo dhclient might give you a clue
[14:11] <xalyy_> Wait first how do I exit under |less
[14:11] <xalyy_> ifconfig |less
[14:11] <AlanBell> q
[14:12] <xalyy_> Thanks
[14:12] <AlanBell> I think perhaps you are running before walking here
[14:12]  * penguin42 agrees
[14:12] <xalyy_> Umm
[14:12] <xalyy_> dhclient not done anything
[14:13] <xalyy_> RTNETLINL asnwers: File exists!
[14:13] <xalyy_> Lol you dont say
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> that usually means a route already exists
[14:14] <xalyy_> Ohh
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> doesn't hurt
[14:14] <xalyy_> Great :D Next command?
[14:16] <xalyy_> WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[14:16] <xalyy_> GUYS what happened??
[14:16] <xalyy_> Its just works now...
[14:16] <xalyy_> But how is this possible? dhclient done the magic or which command?
[14:17] <penguin42> AlanBell's telepathy probably
[14:17] <xalyy_> :DD
[14:17] <xalyy_> Seriously I have to know exactly, because I have to fix the dedicated too :P
[14:19] <penguin42> xalyy_: If you manually ran dhclient that would do it, but that suggests that you just needed to configure proxmox to run dhclient
[14:19] <xalyy_> So you mean proxmox is not starting dhclient properly?
[14:19] <xalyy_> By the way what is dhclient
[14:20] <penguin42> xalyy_: dhclient is the thing that sends and receives dhcp requests on the network;
[14:21] <penguin42> xalyy_: You need to go and learn some basic networking/linux admin stuff I think before trying to debug this much!
[14:22] <xalyy_> But I doesn't even know why I have to debug, I mean I watched 5 video tutroials where the guys installs the proxmox on a VM or VPS or Dedicated but they got it working right away after installed
[14:22] <AlanBell> the dedicated serer has got an IP address, or you wouldn't be connecting to it
[14:22] <xalyy_> I can connect to the dedicated server without the dedicated connecting to the internet :D
[14:23] <AlanBell> ok, serial port debugging or is it really virtualised?
[14:23] <xalyy_> Umm?
[14:23] <AlanBell> huh, that virtual KVM window . . .
[14:23] <xalyy_> Yes
[14:23] <xalyy_> Drac
[14:23] <AlanBell> your dedi is running under a KVM host?
[14:24] <xalyy_> Running under Drac
[14:24] <xalyy_> I heard its a small computer on the dedi
[14:24] <xalyy_> It has other ip
[14:24] <xalyy_> Then the dedi
[14:24] <AlanBell>  /o\
[14:24] <xalyy_> Is it a bell? :D
[14:25] <xalyy_> On the dedicated dhclient did not worked still not loads the :8006 website gui I think I have to reinstall everything...
[14:25] <xalyy_> What you say?
[14:25] <xalyy_> Do I reiinstall proxmox os completly?
[14:26] <AlanBell> I have no further opinion on the matter :)
[14:26] <xalyy_> Ok I reinstall it, I have time :D
[14:27] <xalyy_> Do you have idea why the VM is so slow? I mean the virtual media session
[14:27] <xalyy_> It uploading really slow
[14:27] <DJones> Can you copy a virtualbox machine from one computer to another, or do configuration options get messed up when you do
[14:28] <AlanBell> DJones: yes, and maybe
[14:28] <AlanBell> but it is fixable
[14:28] <xalyy_> Problem is
[14:28] <AlanBell> or you copy the config options too
[14:28] <xalyy_> Dedicated does not have DHCP so I have to manually config the network files... :S
[14:28] <xalyy_> So it would be double messy
[14:29] <xalyy_> Can hostname be anything on the dedicated?
[14:29] <xalyy_> Or does it counts?
[14:29] <DJones> AlanBell: Thanks, I've got two Windows installs and was planning on copying both folders including all files & subdirectories, its got .vbox & .vdi file, along with a Logs folder
[14:31] <shauno> xalyy_: you really need to ask your host what your network settings should be.  we simply can't guess them
[14:31] <DJones> I'm expecting some issues because they're both Windows installs, XP & Win 7
[14:31] <AlanBell> DJones: look in .virtualbox too
[14:31] <AlanBell> .Virtualbox even
[14:31] <AlanBell> gah ~/.VirtualBox
[14:31] <DJones> AlanBell: Thanks for heads up
[14:32] <AlanBell> VirtualBox.xml in there is the config settings mostly
[14:32] <xalyy_> shauno: but is there a way to guess my dedicated hostname from the dedicated ip or something?
[14:33] <AlanBell> xalyy_: really, you need to ask your ISP about this, you are not running Ubuntu and we are not your ISP :)
[14:33] <xalyy_> What?
[14:33] <xalyy_> My dedicated not running ubuntu?
[14:33] <shauno> I can't change my answer just because it's not the one you wanted, I'm afraid
[14:33] <xalyy_> What are you talking about :D
[14:34] <xalyy_> I mean debian is not similiar to ubuntu?
[14:35] <AlanBell> it is not Ubuntu, no
[14:41] <xalyy_> Thanks for the help guys for all this :D
[14:57] <xalyy_> Something not good... Cmon.. I can't beleive this, I rebooted the oracle vm and now the web ui not working again
[14:57] <xalyy_> Typed dhclient several times but not helps
[14:57] <xalyy_> what is this?!
[15:04] <the_rocker> hi guys
[15:40] <knightwise> hey everyone
[15:41] <knightwise> small question : I have a 24 inch imac with a Core2Duo processor
[15:41] <knightwise> what version of Ubuntu do i choose : The PC , the 64bit PC or the 64bit MAC version ?
[15:42] <BigRedS> I'd go with 64bit mac
[15:43] <knightwise> BigRedS: ok Thats the one i'm downloading.
[15:43] <knightwise> funny that there is no 64bit MAC version of Xubuntu to download
[15:43] <knightwise> I'll just punch XFCE on there after install i guess
[15:45] <knightwise> I was thinking about putting elementary on there (because it looks realy good) but ... i wasn't sure what version of 12.04 its based on
[15:45] <knightwise> the 64 bit or the MAC64 bit
[15:45] <xalyy_> How can I check the network is working fine to stream the proxmox web gui? On dedicated server
[16:16] <BigRedS> xalyy_ what do you mean? Where is the web gui supposed to be?
[16:16] <BigRedS> you may have more luck in a more proxmox-focussed channel
[16:16] <xalyy_> mydedicatedip:8006
[16:16] <BigRedS> okay, so is it firewalled off?
[16:17] <BigRedS> can you connect to that at all?
[16:17] <BigRedS> you say you want to " check the network is working fine"; what makes you think it isn't?
[16:19] <xalyy_> Idk
[16:19] <xalyy_> On my comp it working fine on my oracle vm
[16:20] <xalyy_> But the dedi's proxmox gui not workig
[16:31] <AlanBell> xalyy_: can you at least ping it?
[16:31] <xalyy_> Yes lol
[16:31] <xalyy_> You meant my Dedis ip?
[16:31] <AlanBell> so you don't have a network problem
[16:32] <xalyy_> Yes I can ping my dedi's ip
[16:32] <xalyy_> from my comp
[16:33] <AlanBell> ok, but you are getting no response from the web server port?
[16:33] <AlanBell> can the server connect to itself on that port?
[16:33] <AlanBell> so lynx localhost:8006
[16:33] <xalyy_> Type that command on my dedi?
[16:34] <AlanBell> yeah, is it serving anything for you to connect to?
[16:35] <xalyy_> Alert!
[16:35] <xalyy_> Unexpected network read error
[16:37] <AlanBell> try lynx localhost:1234
[16:37] <AlanBell> just to compare error messages
[16:38] <AlanBell> Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host. would be the error I would expect
[16:39] <AlanBell> however you are not running Ubuntu so it might be different (which is why you should be going to an appropriate place for proxmox support)
[16:39] <xalyy_> Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host.
[16:42] <AlanBell> ok, so that is the error message when connecting to a port with nothing happening on it
[16:42] <AlanBell> so the thing you are expecting to be running on 8006 isn't, so you need to go solve that problem
[16:43] <xalyy_> How? :D
[16:45] <BigRedS> that depends on what it is that should be running there and what hte OS is
[16:47] <xalyy_> Its debian
[16:47] <xalyy_> and there should be running proxmox i said :P
[16:52] <BigRedS> okay, like I said earlier I think this would be quicker if you find someone who knows proxmox
[16:52] <BigRedS> but    netstat -ntlp | grep 8006   should tell you if anything is bound to that port
[16:53] <xalyy_> It says listen
[16:54] <xalyy_> But who and where should I find someone
[16:54] <BigRedS> not sure; does proxmox have an irc channel?
[16:58] <daftykins> wow, this topic still? >_<
[17:00] <daftykins> xalyy_: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && netstat -tuln | pastebinit
[17:00] <xalyy_> Whats daT?
[17:01] <daftykins> a program to pastebin the output of that command so we can see
[17:01] <knightwise> If you have any questions regarding proxmox you might want to ask Lord Drachenblut for advice
[17:05] <xalyy_> Is he here?
[17:11] <daftykins> run what i said
[17:36] <andylockran> heya guys
[17:41] <daftykins> hi sir
[18:20] <mapps> hey daftykins
[18:20] <mapps> andatche,
[18:20] <mapps> andylockran,
[18:20] <daftykins> \o
[18:21] <mapps> sup mate
[18:34] <daftykins> not bad here ty, just doing chores and what not today
[18:34] <daftykins> tried looking at doing my tax return online, so a seriously exciting sunday!
[18:36] <daftykins> why do tax websites assume you know their acronyms O_O
[18:36] <daftykins> "ETI"
[18:36] <penguin42> ETI?
[18:37] <DJones> popey: Just as a heads up, Bitfolk's minecraft server looks to be down, I'm not in their minecraft channel to highlight you or grifferz there
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> well then: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00338.html
[18:45] <shauno> yay?
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I wonder how Ubuntu is going to handle that.. they started/sponsor upstart
[18:46] <shauno> oh I'm not thinking that far ahead.  I'm just hoping it means a ceasation to hostilities.  peace to all man and stuff like that
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> nah, because "we're going for systemd" was clear
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> that was always going to be the outcome of that vote
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> what I want to see is the other points: will maintainers be required to accept patches to make software work with other init systems or not?
[18:48] <popey> DJones: ta
[18:50] <directhex> upstart is dead now.
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> directhex: well, it will be in the LTS for another few years
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> and it's in ChromeOS, I think?
[18:51] <directhex> the init system that only ubuntu uses. every upstream will be using systemd dependencies (gnome does already, kde does for wayland & will for x.org soon, xfce will soon). canonical can spend money on continuing to duplicate systemd functionality in upstart, or spend less just binning it & using systemd
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> directhex: yes, but my point is that it's too late for 14.04
[18:52] <directhex> or say "we don't care" and be the distro without kde, gnome or xfce
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> 14.10, sure
[18:52] <directhex> MartijnVdS, oh, sure, 14.04 will be upstart
[18:52] <directhex> okay, upstart is bleeding out, but still breathing
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> I just wished the systemd supporters didn't sound so much like a cult
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> "IT'S BETTER BECAUSE IT IS"
[18:53] <popey> only ubuntu.. and every derivative
[18:53] <daftykins> lmao
[18:54] <popey> which probably (speculating) accounts for more installs of upstart than all total installs of systemd.. probably
[18:54] <ali1234> systemd is technically massively better than upstart
[18:54] <popey> i don't doubt that ☻
[18:54] <ali1234> the only reason people don't like systemd is because of lennart
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: yes, except nobody seems to be able to explain how
[18:54] <directhex> popey, valve using sysvinit will eclipse both :D
[18:54] <popey> upstart will live on in 14.04 for years
[18:54] <ali1234> otoh the only reason people don't like upstart is because of canonical
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: also Lennart, ture.
[18:54] <popey> directhex: how many steamos installs?
[18:54] <directhex> popey, give it a few months...
[18:54] <ali1234> really either one of them is perfectly able to do what debian requires
[18:55] <popey> given how many chrome laptops seem to have been sold, they're doing pretty well
[18:55] <popey> i tire of the "only ubuntu" comment, given how many servers and clients that amounts to
[18:55] <popey> if it dies, it dies, so be it
[18:55] <ali1234> it amounts to diddly squat compared to windows
[18:55] <popey> indeed
[18:56] <ali1234> if install base was the only important thing, we shouldn't be using linux at all
[18:56] <directhex> don't forget webos! all those pre's!
[18:56] <popey> jolla is systemd isnt it?
[18:57] <ali1234> of course it is
[18:57] <ali1234> it's based on meego
[18:57] <popey> ah yes
[18:57] <directhex> ubuntu doesn't exist in a vacuum. as long as they use components from gnome, kde, xfce, they can either continue to emulate systemd or move to systemd - or, as is the case currently, fix with antique versions of the underlying bits
[18:58] <popey> well we're not moving to systemd till at least 14.10
[18:58] <popey> be surprised if we did even then
[18:58] <ali1234> incidentally, xfce will not require systemd any time soon
[18:59] <popey> quite fancy a steamos box under the telly
[18:59] <popey> also fancy a better telly
[18:59] <ali1234> unlike debian, xfce actually has a significant install base on bsd
[19:02] <ali1234> well ok, it's probably smaller than debian's, but as a percentage of total user base it's bigger
[19:25] <ali1234> is it just me or is scan's today only page now basically a list of everything they sell?
[19:32] <penguin42> ali1234: It's not quite that big for me
[20:05] <mapps> yo
[20:19] <foobarry> what's the best app for ripping mp3?
[20:19] <foobarry> clementine isn't working with audio cd's
[20:20] <foobarry> looks like a kde/phonon issue
[21:07] <popey> AlanBell: we need to organise a release party!
[21:08] <AlanBell> yes!
[21:09] <AlanBell> April 17th is the release date
[21:10] <popey> oof, really?
[21:10] <popey> !trusty
[21:10] <popey> I thought it was 24th
[21:10] <popey> so it is
[21:18] <AlanBell> next to good friday
[21:18] <shauno> I'm kinda curous what the upgrade from lucid will be like
[21:29] <daftykins> heh i plan to just clean install my servers
[21:32] <shauno> I kinda do both
[21:33] <shauno> I also completely over-use the word 'kinda'.  but still
[21:33] <shauno> bitfolk have a fantastic policy where they'll provide you with a second VM for a transition period of .. I think 2 weeks?
[21:34] <shauno> I try not to abuse this (I mean, I'm still on lucid), but usually I'll do this, and then try to migrate the original just to see how much it hurts
[21:35] <BigRedS> I've generally found that migrating to a new install is more faff than dist-upgrading in-place3
[21:35] <BigRedS> though I do tend to make a bit of a mess, easiest to just let the computer deal with noticing what's installed and where
[21:37] <shauno> I like the clean starts.  I tend to accumulate cruft
[21:39] <BigRedS> yeah, I like to keep that cruft :)
[21:39] <BigRedS> mostly I'll go through stuff pre-upgrade and remove obviously-uneccesary things
[21:39] <daftykins> more faff perhaps, but less likely to go wonky? :>
[21:39] <BigRedS> but otherwise there's just this long period of remembering that thing that I used to have running and what was it that made that work again?
[21:40] <daftykins> that's why i take notes like an engineer
[21:40] <shauno> I have a fairly short list of expectations for my VM.  narrowing it back down to those every upgrade tends to be quite productive
[21:41] <BigRedS> daftykins that sounds too much like work
[21:43] <daftykins> hahaha
[21:45] <shauno> well, I keep my vps for a narrow task set.  so it's nowhere near as painful as it sounds
[21:47] <popey> shauno: try it? ☻
[21:47] <daftykins> wee cat vid: https://www.dropbox.com/s/27ibqn579402aai/VID_20140209_214132.mp4
[21:48] <popey> i have a lucid vps, might skip precise on that and go direct to trusty
[21:48] <shauno> oh I'll try it.  but I'll ping andy to brew me a new VM first :)
[21:49] <shauno> my vps is my mail & dns servers.  curiousity is always a plan B
[21:53] <daftykins> :)
[21:54] <daftykins> i continue to be under the impression that ones own email running is a pain
[21:54] <shauno> oh it is
[21:55] <shauno> it totally $(inappropriate metaphor)'s the big one
[21:55] <shauno> but the alternatives are all pretty dire
[21:56] <daftykins> i'm happy to live on gmail, if i setup a company and have a domain for it i might just fiddle with 'send as' from that
[21:56] <daftykins> although Google Apps for 1 user @ £33/yr would be tempting
[21:56] <popey> https://github.com/mbebenita/Broadway golly
[21:56] <shauno> well, that's a large part of the problem.  gmail is basically the alternative at this point.  and I trust them less and less every day
[21:57] <daftykins> they are certainly growing in evil it would seem
[22:00] <shauno> that, and for me, it's a useful skillset to keeep warm
[22:06] <daftykins> :)
[22:06] <daftykins> very true
[22:08] <shauno> we have a lot of legacy devices that still use smtp for transmission (everything from the last 15 years uses https)
[22:09] <shauno> so being able to 'speak' smtp comes in way too useful, far too often
[22:35] <daftykins> shauno: the raw command style? :D
[22:36] <shauno> in a lot of cases, yes :(  "send me a packet trace" is my default "if I couldn't guess in 5 minutes"