[21:21] <Unit193> paultag: Got a sec for some idiocy?
[21:22] <paultag> sure
[21:22] <paultag> hit me
[21:23] <Unit193> So with the whole systemd stuff.  Will I be able to write a unit file and forget about it?  I've heard conflicting stories on this.  Also, I know you can still use the "old log files" for information, but can you limit it more to how it is, and not have all stdout piped into syslog?  (Thus not trying to wade through too much data to get at stuff that's easy now?)
[21:24] <paultag> so muchhhh
[21:24] <paultag> ok, to start
[21:24] <paultag> we'll need to support sysvinit for jessie, since we support stable => stable upgrades
[21:24] <paultag> so no
[21:24] <paultag> secondly, journald
[21:24] <paultag> that's a component that forwards to a syslog that's installed
[21:24] <paultag> (it makes it more readable, since the binary format makes sense)
[21:25] <paultag> so you can log without syslog, but reading it sucks. if you have a syslog installed, you'll have everything the same
[21:25] <Unit193> Oh?  I thought stdout of all services got into syslog with systemd...  And with the unit files, I'm thinking of the x11vnc.conf (upstart) file I have.
[21:26] <paultag> what's upstarting doing here? :)
[21:27] <paultag> you'll have to provide a sysvinit style startup thinger for now
[21:27] <Unit193> "Personal" services, I'm wondering if the syntax changes as much in systemd as I've heard.  I don't have any packages that ship init scripts.
[21:27] <paultag> between systemd and upstart?
[21:27] <paultag> I don't grok
[21:28] <paultag> http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html are docs on the unit files
[21:28] <jenni> [ systemd.unit ] - https://j.mp/1iDslVz
[21:28] <Unit193> No, between, for example, systemd 1.0.3 and 1.1.0. (example versions.)
[21:28] <paultag> Oh, I've got no clue
[21:28] <paultag> I'd asume only minor breakage
[21:29] <Unit193> So, you've answered that syslog won't change, and the unit files (likely) don't change much over major version changes.  Those are the small points I see myself disliking most that haven't already been answered.  Thanks.
[21:30] <paultag> you got it
[21:30] <paultag> brb
[23:13] <belkinsa> jrgifford, ping