[00:08] <knome> pmjdebruijn, dispcal: Error - icoms - usb_is_usb_portno: port number 1 out of range 1 - 0
[00:10] <knome> pmjdebruijn, wait, even that needs the colorimeter?
[00:11] <knome> pmjdebruijn, yeah, that's not mentioned in the article
[00:20] <damiank> hi knome
[00:20] <damiank> hows everything
[00:20] <knome> damiank, hey
[00:20] <knome> fine
[00:20] <knome> ircing in the bed
[00:20] <damiank> cool
[00:21] <knome> not really, bad ergonomy ;)
[00:21] <damiank> i had to delay a bit the testings due that today i was told that i had no longer my stable job :(
[00:21] <damiank> so i spend the whole day thinking what to do
[00:21] <knome> sorry to hear that
[00:21] <damiank> np, something will come
[00:22] <damiank> tonight i will probably test the 32bit iso updating my 12.04lts
[00:22] <knome> yep, things will sort out eventually in a way or another
[00:22] <damiank> yeah
[00:22] <knome> and good luck finding a new better one :)
[00:22] <damiank> yeah
[00:22] <damiank> i usually find jobs on elance so i will do that for now
[00:22] <knome> :)
[00:23] <damiank> if you happen to know anyone that needs a web coder just let me know
[00:23] <damiank> in the meantime i will talk later to see if i can help with xubuntu page
[00:23] <damiank> to keep me busy :)
[00:24] <knome> damiank, have you seen the new staging site?
[00:24] <damiank> nope yet
[00:24] <knome> re: web coder, well i know some people but they're my clients, so no luck for you ;(
[00:24] <damiank> :)
[00:24] <damiank> i can take small jobs to help you if you want
[00:24] <damiank> no need to be a full time
[00:25] <knome> heh, thanks, but no thanks
[00:26] <damiank> :)
[00:26] <damiank> regarding the updates of the iso, any recommendation?
[00:27] <damiank> i will test update on a amd athlon xp with 2gb ram
[00:27] <damiank> an old geforce2 card
[00:27] <damiank> will it work?
[00:28] <damiank> which is min reqs for 14.04?
[00:28] <knome> should work
[00:29] <knome> the staging site: http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/
[00:33] <damiank> i like it
[00:34] <damiank> knome you know the exact requirements for xubuntu 14.04?
[00:34] <damiank> im worried the geforce2 card doesnt work
[00:35] <damiank> on 12.10 i had problems so i went back to 12.04 on this pc
[00:36] <knome> the hardware as is should be sufficient, whether the card itself has problems with 14.04, no idea
[00:36] <knome> that's one of the reasons we run tests...
[00:36] <damiank> i know
[00:36] <damiank> ok i'll test tonight then i let you know
[00:36] <damiank> if there are problems i have a full 12.04 backup here ;)
[00:37] <knome> that's sane.
[00:37] <damiank> yeah
[00:40] <damiank> ok im off to eat something i'll be back later
[00:40] <knome> bon appetit
[00:41] <damiank> thanks
[01:36] <ochosi> Noskcaj: cause you asked me a while ago, no, i don't know of any other thunar patches we might need atm
[01:36] <ochosi> but getting that one would be nice
[01:36] <ochosi> (for the wallpaper-plugin)
[01:37] <Noskcaj> ochosi, ok. The MP is up
[01:37] <ochosi> what does MP stand for again? (other than military police, member of parliament, ...)
[01:40] <Unit193> Military Police is right, they've put a blockade up.
[01:42] <ochosi> i see :)
[01:42] <Unit193> Merge proposal.
[01:42] <Unit193> I like my other answer better though.
[01:45] <ochosi> hm, i'm more used to MR i guess
[08:21] <elfy> mmm - just got some updates in trusty - if anyone else gets some - and doesn't have keyboard set to US - can they check to see if it is set to US afterwards
[09:04] <Migou> Hello everybody
[12:10] <brainwash_> accidentally opened a document with abiword - the app which constantly breaks the ruler in every dev release of xubuntu
[12:11] <brainwash_> can anyone confirm that not only the rulers are broken, but also the top document view are when scrolled?
[12:11] <brainwash_> document view area
[12:11] <brainwash_> it flickers for me
[12:11] <brainwash_> bug 1261203
[12:12] <elfy> I've confirmed one of those already 
[12:12] <elfy> I'm sure 
[12:12] <brainwash_> so you see the top part flickering?
[12:13] <brainwash_> when you scroll the document
[12:13] <elfy> nope no flickering - that might just be you
[12:14] <brainwash_> interesting
[12:19] <brainwash_> the flicker might be subtle for you, but the actual cause is related to the ruler glitch
[12:19] <elfy> though I rarely use it - so if it's intermittent I'd not notice
[12:19] <brainwash_> I suggest increasing the priority of this bug
[12:19] <elfy> and tbf not very interested in it - something breaks with it all the time
[12:20] <brainwash_> abiword is a core app and this glitch is way too annoying, it makes the user look for another word processor
[12:21] <elfy> it might well be a core app - but I'm beginning to just join everyone in else in not caring about qa
[12:21] <elfy> wasting my time 
[12:21] <brainwash_> speaking of importance level.. people bumped tons of reports once again
[12:21] <brainwash_> assigning low importance
[12:22] <brainwash_> very helpful :/
[12:22] <elfy> no - someone decided to do a bug day and just wandered about worrying about ubuntu stuff
[12:22] <elfy> anyway - nipper is here - bbl
[12:22] <brainwash_> :)
[13:33] <elfy> brainwash_: so this really annoying flicker bug - I assume that someone else must have reported it :)
[13:43] <brainwash_> elfy: happens when I open the HackingOnThunar.odt
[13:43] <brainwash_> did not try other documents yet
[13:44] <brainwash_> empty document with several pages and random content does not seem to be affected
[13:45] <elfy> is that a local file to you?
[13:46] <elfy> found it 
[13:47] <brainwash_> a random odt I intended to open with libreoffice.. but then ended up with abiword
[13:47] <elfy> brainwash_: sort of flickering when it goes to new page if dragging the scrollbar up and down 
[13:47] <brainwash_> top area, right?
[13:47] <elfy> where the ruler would be
[13:49] <brainwash_> I'll try to do some debugging and then add information to the existing report
[13:49] <elfy> :)
[13:49] <brainwash_> really wish that we would have switched to libreoffice writer + calc
[13:49] <elfy> well we haven't :)
[13:50] <elfy> and no-one seems to be coming forward with a spec for changing it either so I doubt we will
[13:51] <brainwash_> the only blocker was the available iso space I think
[13:51] <elfy> no idea I'm afraid, I really don't worry about it that much - I just install it myself 
[13:55] <elfy> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-January/009615.html
[13:55] <elfy> was the last time it got airplay brainwash_ :)
[13:58] <brainwash_> so hopefully we can make abiword work properly before final release
[13:58] <brainwash_> ootb experience is very important
[13:59] <elfy> I agree - but I've only ever seen one person talking about this flicker thing :p
[14:00] <brainwash_> it's new in trusty
[14:00] <elfy> anyway - bbl
[14:00] <brainwash_> and apparently our tester do not test it properly :P
[14:01] <brainwash_> I discovered it by accident
[14:01] <brainwash_> not sure if the testing guide asks the user to open a document (.odt?) in abiword
[14:02] <elfy> why not go and look 
[14:03] <brainwash_> I have no clue, never bothered with iso testing :(
[14:03] <brainwash_> so I got nothing bookmarked
[14:04] <brainwash_> basically I use trusty and discover more than enough bugs by simply using it
[15:48] <ganglere> speaking of iso testing, anyone know why test drive shows no available isos?
[15:50] <ganglere> nevermind, appearently I have to choose a release now
[16:08] <knome> bluesabre, thanks for the merge request.
[16:08] <bluesabre> knome: yup
[16:08] <bluesabre> FF in 1.5 weeks
[16:08] <bluesabre> micahg: please review the merge requests to the seed and default-settings
[16:08] <knome> bluesabre, can you see the -features blueprint and look if there's something else we should/can change in the seed now
[16:09] <knome> bluesabre, should be a (at least near-)exhaustive list in the whiteboard
[16:10] <bluesabre> yeah, trying to get all that together now
[16:10] <knome> ok, thanks
[16:10] <knome> while you're at it, please check if the blueprint work item statuses are up-to-date
[16:15] <bluesabre> these look up to date
[16:15] <bluesabre> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-features
[16:15] <bluesabre> micahg: MRs are at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-features and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-t-flavor-xubuntu
[16:16] <elfy> bluesabre: what's happening with getting the menu button property edit thing changed to menulibre?
[16:16] <bluesabre> elfy: I
[16:16] <elfy> bluesabre: I
[16:16] <elfy> too :p
[16:16] <bluesabre> ok good
[16:16] <bluesabre> :)
[16:16] <bluesabre> I'll work on getting a patch in for that today or tomorrow
[16:17] <bluesabre> we need micahg to update the seed before that happens though
[16:17] <bluesabre> unless we have somebody with access to that?
[16:17] <elfy> I don't know 
[16:18] <knome> ~ubuntu-core-dev :P
[16:18] <bluesabre> today begins the daily pings :)
[16:18] <elfy> I suppose at the same time the xscreensaver/light-locker thing could be done?
[16:19] <bluesabre> yeah, we've got that MR in as well
[16:19] <elfy> ok 
[16:20]  * elfy wonders why he's getting pinged to review this stuff ... would have more chance translating the Russian War and Peace into Cantonese
[16:20] <knome> lol
[16:20] <bluesabre> elfy: I added you since you're the head of testing
[16:20] <knome> elfy, you asked for information... ;)
[16:20] <bluesabre> so your approval means everything is A-OK!
[16:20] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[16:21] <bluesabre> elfy, knome: have we decided on whiskermenu vs. xfce-menu?
[16:21] <elfy> I'm pretty sure we've not decided on anything much lately
[16:21] <knome> bluesabre, we're currently working on it with ochosi
[16:22] <bluesabre> ok
[16:22] <knome> well not like *right now*, but will land soonish
[16:22] <ochosi> should be finished asap, i hope tomorrow
[16:22] <knome> or at least be ready for voting/approval
[16:23] <elfy> ochosi: ooh nice :)
[16:23] <bluesabre> good good :D
[16:23] <ochosi> if we only have one proposed layout, i'm not sure voting is a good idea...
[16:23] <knome> ochosi, well, vote for the new or old layout
[16:23] <ochosi> anyway, feel free to check out my proposal in the whiskermenu wiki page
[16:24] <ochosi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Whiskermenu
[16:24] <ochosi> i also argue there why i'd change what i would change
[16:25] <ochosi> gotta go, bbl
[16:30] <bluesabre> ochosi: that's a good proposal
[16:32] <elfy> ochosi: and I'd agree with bluesabre there
[16:33] <bluesabre> knome: have we packaged the community wallpapers?
[16:33] <elfy> bluesabre: so ... I have tried and tried to get a launcher to appear in a menu using menulibre and I am failing miserably to do more than shout a lot 
[16:33] <bluesabre> elfy: in the toplevel, or in a category?
[16:33] <elfy> anywhere but in menulibre :(
[16:34] <elfy> can't even get an empty to one appear
[16:34] <bluesabre> I'm assuming that you're hitting save when you add it?
[16:34] <elfy> yep
[16:34] <bluesabre> does the filename shown at the bottom of the launcher exist?
[16:35] <elfy> I've not got it open now - I moved on lol
[16:35] <bluesabre> ok
[16:35] <bluesabre> if you test it again, please note the following
[16:36] <bluesabre> when you save it, the filename that is displayed at the bottom of the window should be updated based on the new filename.  Navigate to that file and make sure it exists
[16:36] <bluesabre> also, try menulibre -v from the terminal
[16:37] <elfy> ok
[16:37] <bluesabre> so far, I've had issues with creating toplevel items (i.e. 1st menu level), but everything else works for me in several DEs in several distros, so I'll need to know whats going on :)
[16:38] <brainwash_> ochosi: can we move the whisker menu search bar and action buttons to the top? this way the user can access them faster from the panel
[16:38] <elfy> mmm - well I can't for instance add a launcher to Accessories - it just adds the launcher to between accessories and the next menu group
[16:39] <bluesabre> yeah, you can use the arrow buttons to move it into that menu (if the menu is expanded)
[16:40] <elfy> aaah - got that
[16:46] <elfy> bluesabre: ok - got further this time :)
[16:46] <bluesabre> oh goodie
[16:47] <elfy> but - even though menulibre thinks the launcher is in Accessories - it shows in System only 
[16:47] <elfy> but it IS showing there :)
[16:47] <elfy> biab
[16:48] <bluesabre> you may have to save the launcher again once you move it
[16:49] <bluesabre> btw, I am taking this feedback to improve upon current features ;)
[17:00] <knome> brainwash_, did you read the wikipage ochosi linked?
[17:02] <elfy> bluesabre: saved a few times - won't appear in accessories - and is effectively a copy of the existing term launcher 
[17:09]  * elfy sees someone setting bug priority to high on something that's fix released and wonders why bother
[17:11] <bluesabre> elfy: any output in the terminal?
[17:12] <brainwash_> knome: did I miss anything? :/
[17:12] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[17:12] <elfy> bluesabre: sorry - there was a bunch of output, but I'm right in the middle of a bunch - I'll have another go later and pastebin the output - with screenshots and notes to - so you can see exactly what's happening here
[17:13] <bluesabre> elfy: excellent
[17:13] <bluesabre> be sure to do menulibre -v too
[17:13] <elfy> yep
[17:13] <knome> brainwash_, yes you did.
[17:13] <elfy> we all had cake
[17:14] <brainwash_> but the cake is a lie
[17:14]  * elfy asks belly - belly says brainwash_ lies
[17:24] <jjfrv8> knome, ping
[17:48] <jjfrv8> knome, I may not be able to stick around so I'll post some of my questions and maybe you, or others, can enlighten me
[17:48] <jjfrv8> I've been working on the MenuLibre section of the Settings and Preferences chapter and then I saw the discussion here from earlier today
[17:48] <jjfrv8> I'm confused about the role of menulibre, especially if we decide to go with whiskermenu instead of xfce-menu
[17:48] <jjfrv8> as it stands now, it seems we need menulibre to edit the applications menu because alacarte is broken...
[17:49] <jjfrv8> but if we go with whiskermenu, I would think most of the basic editing functionality is built in there and menulibre would only be needed for really advanced stuff
[17:49] <jjfrv8> have I got that completely wrong?
[17:51] <elfy> you'd still need something to add new launchers to whisker menu I think
[18:17] <jjfrv8> bbl
[18:39] <knome> jjfrv8, yah, menulibre is still needed to edit the whiskermenu as well
[18:44] <elfy> knome: there's a draft doobywotsit at the blog for someone to look at 
[18:44] <knome> doobywhat
[18:44] <knome> i'll look at it later today when i'm on my desktop machine
[18:45] <elfy> okey doke
[23:55] <knome> forestpiskie, edited the article