[00:00] ahoneybun: awesome work getting the slides into the docs wiki [00:00] valorie: thanks [00:00] I also updated apachelogger's package on my system with them [00:00] in the en folder anyway [00:00] I saw that, and am envious of your understanding of the systems [00:01] understanding lol [00:01] I also copied his work into my own branch on lp [00:01] I installed gitmagic to read it (it's a book about using git) but I can't even get the book to open [00:01] pfff [00:02] and I did this https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/trusty/+merge/205511 [00:14] valorie: the next thing to do with the slides are getting the ones in the correct lang [00:15] brb [00:15] oh, for sure [00:15] that isn't included in the slide package? [00:16] back [00:16] all in english [00:36] valorie: was the call for a merge a good thing to do? [00:36] call for a merge? [00:36] yea [00:36] https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/trusty/+merge/205511 [00:37] ah, I see [00:37] the idea is good; we'll see if the technical aspects are good too [00:41] yea [00:52] hmm do you also have Firefox 25 available only not 27 ? [00:56] ah it is in proposed [00:57] but beta :) 27.0~b6+build1-0ubuntu1 [01:09] soee: I have 26 installed [01:09] by default [01:10] on trusty ? [01:10] nope [01:10] saucy [01:10] ah ok :) [01:10] on trusty its 25 and 27 beta in proposed [01:10] 25 by default? [01:11] yesd\ [01:11] yes [01:13] hm, it's been stuck in proposed for a while now, curious [01:13] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+publishinghistory [01:16] and iv seen several news on various website that 27 is available for 14.04 [02:56] I guess I should grab some more screenshot of the slides in differents langs then valorie [02:57] why do we need to screenshot the slides? [02:57] can't we just grab them from the package on the ISO? [02:58] I screenshot them [02:59] seems like unnecessary work to me [02:59] I did not think of the iso [03:10] valorie: I made a kubuntu wallpaper lol [03:11] nice [03:11] I'll upload it and show you [06:31] Releasing KDE SC 4.10.5 to saucy-updates. [07:55] have you noticed any issues with vlc lately? [08:52] bug 1232156 :/ [08:52] bug 1232156 in oxygen-gtk3 (Ubuntu) "oxygen-gtk3 does not work out of box on kubuntu 13.10 and 14.04" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232156 [09:28] ScottK: bug 1277312 should land in proposed queue soon [09:28] bug 1277312 in plasma-nm (Ubuntu Trusty) "package plasma-nm 0.9.3.1-0ubuntu1~saucy1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/oxygen/32x32/apps/networkmanager.png', which is also in package kde-workspace-data 4:4.10.5-0ubuntu0.1" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1277312 [09:45] Riddell: mhhh, libkubuntu demo says support complete becuase the demo isn't really doing anything anymore (i.e. creates empty languages and empty languages are always assumed complete - same when the actually dep file cannot be opened) [09:51] apachelogger: it creates langauges? where? [09:52] Riddell: Kubuntu::Language l10n; [09:52] that's Language(QObject *parent=0) which internally leads to no language and consequently all queries will do nothing becuase technically the instance is not valid [09:53] Riddell: perhaps the default ctor should simply be made private [09:53] there is no rationale for constructing a Language without an actual Language string [09:56] apachelogger: ah so "Constructs an instance with no language set" is pretty useless? [09:56] yeah [09:57] if you'd want to get the overall state of langauge supportedness you'd want to use the languagecollection [10:06] \o [10:10] seems debian are going for systemd [10:11] I wonder if this is a good thing or not for us [10:11] !testers | KDE SC 4.12.2 for Precise in Kubuntu Staging PPA needs testing [10:11] KDE SC 4.12.2 for Precise in Kubuntu Staging PPA needs testing: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley for information [10:13] Riddell: ok, should be good for release now [10:15] apachelogger: do you want me to upload it or will you? [10:18] Riddell: I'll upload [10:18] once I figured out what's wrong with the symbols file :S [10:18] for some reason it didn't want to detect symbol retraction, silly thing [10:38] ScottK, Riddell: libkubuntu should arrive in source new soonishy [10:40] apachelogger: https://trello.com/c/NZ1tG6nq [10:40] accepted! [10:41] i got snapshots running even the program is nowehre to be seen [10:41] bug somewhere...? [10:42] shadeslayer: review boards don't have a postpone column [10:42] because the task might be pointless by then [10:42] report upstream [10:42] "alas, a bug should be filed against muon because ultimately it should simply hold off on notifications while apt is locked." [10:42] I keep quoting myself, I am not sure why [10:45] Uhm did anyone test the 12.04.4 ISO's? [10:45] because there is no panel post install [10:45] oh there it is [10:46] kvm view port is smaller [10:46] :) [10:50] apachelogger: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330980 < move card to done? [10:50] KDE bug 330980 in muon "Muon does not check for apt locks when showing upgrade notifications" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [10:50] apachelogger: E: libkubuntu-dbg: copyright-should-refer-to-common-license-file-for-lgpl [10:51] apachelogger: approved! (assuming you'll fix that) [11:08] oh oh [11:08] Riddell: I always wonder, where to point with the kde license header [11:10] HIyas all [11:10] apachelogger: LGPL 2 [11:11] Riddell: but it's not [11:11] Riddell: pointed to the symlink one [11:11] http://commits.kde.org/scratch/sitter/libkubuntu/0fee7c6f71ce53c54d99875baa9d7547a9da4c1d [11:16] that'll do [11:21] * apachelogger has a serious headache today [11:22] * Riddell gives apachelogger an Indian Head Massage [11:23] weeeh [11:32] shadeslayer: on a new precise kubuntu install (on ec2) if I add staging PPA and dist-upgrade it removes the world http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/dist-upgrade [11:32] Riddell: you also need backports === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia [11:33] I've also uploaded KDE Workspace 4.11.6 for trusty/saucy/precise [11:34] ah, soprano is missing [11:34] yo da man [11:38] Riddell: do you want to test the new kcm locale patch based on libkubuntu before I upload? [11:39] apachelogger: nah, live on the edge, upload then test :) [11:39] alas, if there is breakage it likely is of the more subtle kind anyway [11:39] ok [11:39] http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=clones/kde-runtime/sitter/kubuntu.git&a=commit&h=b22c86a0fd4ac303f6fc17f2e52713a8a2f71951 for ref [11:41] from: 7 files changed, 662 insertions(+), 41 deletions(-) [11:41] to: 4 files changed, 291 insertions(+), 40 deletions(-) [11:41] \o/ [11:44] apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/trusty/+merge/205511 === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [11:45] ahoneybun_: yes, what does it do? [11:46] it would merge your file from your git repo into the main kubuntu-docs branch [11:46] *files [11:47] ahoneybun_: why would we still use the docs branch? :P [11:47] the package for 13.10 was uploaded there so I thought we are [11:48] nah, since we don't write docbooks there's no need for a branch [11:48] docbook = xml. xml = khelpcenter [11:48] see readme [11:50] This is a nice wrapper around upstream's wiki2docbook tool? [11:54] apachelogger: how do I use dput to upload my changes? [11:55] you can't only developers can [11:55] well, you can, except the server will reject your upload [11:56] ahoneybun_: is there a reason you want a new upload? [11:56] I see [11:56] just for the slides? because I'd wait until there are some translations [11:56] I added 14.04 screenshots on the wiki [11:56] yea [11:56] oh [11:56] ahoneybun_: will you be working on Tomahawk? [11:56] or should I take that up? [11:56] ahoneybun_: right, get some translations, then poke me and I'll upload a new snapshot for you :) [11:56] shadeslayer: well I need a mentor as I think I am done with the copyright but not sure [11:57] apachelogger: sweet thanks :) [11:57] you mean translations slides? [11:57] ahoneybun_: meh, usually we don't bother with updating the copyright since that just introduces needless delta with Debian [11:57] just upload it somewhere and poke someone to have a look [11:57] shadeslayer: me and yofel did [11:58] it is on yofel's machine [11:58] ec2 I thik [11:58] shadeslayer: tomahawk isn't in debian [11:58] oh [11:58] bah :/ [11:59] is there a reason why clementine will not be updated by tomahawk? [11:59] *but tomahawk will [11:59] shadeslayer: could you look at it? 'ssh -p 2224 ubuntu@yofel.dyndns.org' [11:59] I just added your key [12:00] ack [12:00] post lunch [12:00] thanks [12:00] yofel: I have a new key [12:00] is it on lp? [12:00] yes [12:00] Y510P? [12:00] yes [12:01] added [12:01] cool [12:07] man [12:07] intertubes so slow :'< [12:07] * apachelogger gets some coffee [12:07] KDE SC 4.12.2 for Precise in Kubuntu Staging PPA installs and runs good for me [12:08] shadeslayer: do I need to write that anywhere? ↑ [12:08] Riddell, saucy staging ppa works fine here too [12:08] Riddell: nah, I'd just wait for Workspace to build, test that, and then copy over to backports and release [12:09] shadeslayer: when are you going to blog about drivermanager? [12:09] apachelogger: before I go home this evening [12:09] ok [12:09] going to club with synaptiks replacement [12:10] shadeslayer, kde-touchpad ? [12:10] BluesKaj: yes [12:10] works fine here [12:11] on 14.04 [12:11] shadeslayer: please make them two posts [12:11] apachelogger: more publicity? [12:11] bundle posts are terribly inefficient from a PR POV [12:12] * apachelogger fiddles with kde-runtime [12:18] apachelogger: regarding https://trello.com/c/EzuZZKNG I don't see a hard coded branch [12:20] shadeslayer: that's in kde-l10n-common I think [12:21] that's the problem, the script to build language-pack-common is in kde-l10n-common, and builds both at the sametime for apparently no good reason [12:21] at the same time you cannot build language-pack-common without building kde-l10n-common making updates to the former unnecessarily expensive in terms of build time [12:21] what's language-pack-common? [12:22] language-pack-kde-common [12:22] it's the same as kde-l10n-common except for our language-pack packages [12:23] which actually it means it is not really the same because the former works on tarballs, whereas the latter simply creates native sources without any content [12:27] Uploading kde-runtime_4.12.2-0ubuntu2_source.changes: done. [12:27] Successfully uploaded packages. [12:27] Riddell: ^ [12:32] ohohoh [12:32] no [12:32] * apachelogger cries [12:33] What's wrong? [12:33] anyone know if there is known bug that system keeps programs running, even they should not? [12:35] no [12:35] mamarley: ubuntu archive driving me nuts [12:35] Sorry :( [12:36] apachelogger: dude, where is $BRANCH defined? [12:39] shadeslayer: config I presume [12:52] Riddell: I totally cannot read britney output [12:54] kubuntu-docs/i386 unsatisfiable Depends: khelpcenter [12:54] wtf [12:54] huh [12:55] no such package [12:58] Uploading kubuntu-docs_14.04ubuntu2_source.changes: done. [12:58] Successfully uploaded packages. [12:58] apachelogger: it's right, there is no such package [12:58] you want khelpcenter4 I think [12:58] Riddell: yeah, we had a khelpcenter | www-browser dep earlier [12:58] and apparently no one ever noticed that khelpcenter does not exist :S [12:59] has been that way since kde4, such fun [12:59] Riddell: anyway, I still do not know why kubuntu-full doesn't install [12:59] and I cannot read that britney output, so we are all lost :P [12:59] apachelogger: good thing we have britney to tell us :) [13:00] skipped: kubuntu-meta (6 <- 47) [13:00] got: 86+0: i-25:a-1:a-60 [13:00] * arm64: kubuntu-full [13:00] have fun parsing that :P [13:00] yes, arm64 broken [13:00] but why [13:01] I casually strolled through some depends of kubuntu-full and all of them were available, so it probably isn't some low level dep problem [13:02] available on arm64? [13:03] published in archive for arm64 [13:17] well phonon isn't compiled on arm64 [13:17] which I started looking into last week but let me look more [13:19] ah yes qtscript is at 5.1.1 while qtbase is at 5.0 [13:19] because of a debian sync [13:20] Riddell: 4.7.0 is compiled on arm64 [13:20] so that doesn't block kubuntu-meta [13:20] otherwise it would have blocked eeeeeeeeeeeverything kde [13:39] Riddell: Sue has present looked at it mocked you mercilessly and then said I suppose he wants me to knit it for him :) [13:41] :) [13:41] actually I already got a compiled version of that source which I gave to my girlfriend [13:42] but there's any number of other KDE fans out there who would appreciate it I'm sure [13:42] or we could auction it, it would go for a fortune! [13:44] Riddell: did you upload your calligra stuff yet? [13:45] apachelogger: yes 2.7.91 is in [13:45] but not compiled on arm64 and ppc64el [13:45] there is a new alpha needing packaged [13:46] I spose I could look at packaging it in such a way that those obscure arches will compile [13:51] Riddell: either that or we blacklist [13:58] well there goes all my dev time [14:00] shadeslayer: where? [14:00] playing games on steam [14:00] huh? [14:01] aah [14:01] free games [14:01] huh? [14:01] apachelogger: see e-mail [14:01] e-mail to ubuntu-devel-announce [14:01] *shrug* [14:02] not sure how that relates to dev time :P [14:02] I'll be playing games instead of working [14:04] I just have no desire to play computer games, but I might look at this steam thing since it is getting such a lot of publicity [14:08] Riddell, just get it to show your support for the idea [14:08] there are 1,200 keys to hand out, not even half of them have been claimed yet … [14:09] shadeslayer: yeah, I don't think so [14:09] apachelogger: uhm, it's ... part of QA ;P [14:10] no it's not [14:10] to make sure you can run steam on Kubuntu fine [14:10] you annot install steam on Kubuntu [14:10] *cannot [14:10] sure you can [14:10] no you can't [14:10] 0.o [14:10] open discover, search for steam, make screenshot [14:10] I have it installed and running just fine [14:10] seems your QA methodology is crap then? :P [14:11] >.> [14:11] kdeedu : Depends: kstars (>= 4:4.11) but it is not installable [14:11] kstars failing on arm64? [14:11] shadeslayer: are you ontop of that? [14:12] nope [14:12] I'm busy twiddling your bash script [14:12] I thought you were tracking .2? [14:12] or well, trying to understand it completely fully [14:12] Riddell: chdist is very lovely I have to say [14:13] so, who's fixing .2? [14:13] Missing build dependencies: libindi-dev [14:13] bummer [14:13] most days I feel like a private detective [14:13] apachelogger: I can't work out how to set it up for arm64 [14:14] run a command so it tells you edit sources.list [14:14] apachelogger: and on the indi build log it can't find sys/io.h [14:14] which looks arch specific [14:14] Riddell: in there you throw [14:14] deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ trusty main restricted universe multiverse [14:14] deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ trusty-proposed main restricted universe multiverse [14:14] Riddell: then you edit the apt.conf in the same dir and change the Architecture to arm64 [14:15] (or well, respectively different source lines and architectures for a different chdist) [14:15] shadeslayer: more interesting is why indi is only built on ppc and arm64 [14:15] ah [14:15] ^^ [14:15] it simply didn't need building since raring [14:15] zafuq [14:15] good that I didn't have to type it out [14:16] #592893 package libindi0 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/indiserver', which is also in package indi 5:0.5-0ubuntu7 [14:16] ubottu: hello, bug, hellooooo [14:16] apachelogger: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [14:16] too stupid to link a bug obviously [14:17] apachelogger: bug 592893 [14:17] bug 592893 in libindi (Ubuntu) "package libindi0 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/indiserver', which is also in package indi 5:0.5-0ubuntu7" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/592893 [14:17] this is epic [14:17] there is indi (v0.5) and there's libinidi (v0.9) [14:17] and I am not sure that they are actually different things [14:17] Riddell: do you remember that stuff, because I sure don't [14:17] !info indi [14:18] Package indi does not exist in saucy [14:18] !info inidi [14:18] Package inidi does not exist in saucy [14:18] jussi: I meant source packagewise [14:18] oh [14:18] fail... :D [14:18] apachelogger: what am I doing wrong here? it's wanting to load i386 http://paste.kde.org/pikyskfun [14:19] Riddell: yeah, ignore [14:19] does the same here, no clue why [14:19] Get:3 http://ports.ubuntu.com trusty/main arm64 Packages [1,220 kB] [14:19] it actually got the arm64 sources [14:19] but then it tries to fetch i386 for some reason [14:20] oh, actually, perhaps because of arch-all packages? [14:20] although then I would see more uninstallable stuff in my install kdeedu I suppose [14:20] try doing dpkg --remove-architecture i386 [14:20] hm [14:21] kstars [14:21] Latest upload: [14:21] 4:4.11.5-0ubuntu0.1 [14:21] launchpad is really weird some days [14:22] indi changelog says "remove indi package now built from libindi, this package only needed for libsbigudrv" [14:22] hm [14:22] this is very confusing [14:23] make libindi build on arm64? [14:23] shadeslayer: equally confusing is that it doesn't build becuse sys/io.h sounds like it's from libc and it'd be curious if arm64's libc was missing that [14:23] (it also doesn't build on ppc fwiw) [14:23] apachelogger: apt-file can't find a sys/io.h for arm fwiw [14:23] apachelogger: need more explanation on the kde i10n task [14:24] I still don't understand the issue [14:24] such as? [14:24] okay, I'll explain what I've understood so far? [14:24] go ahead [14:24] I fear you may want to move on to another card though [14:25] * apachelogger points out that kstars' git repo is like 3000000 superbytes big [14:26] * apachelogger also points out that he dropped some painkillers for the headache and might fall off the chair any minute ^^ [14:26] build-l10n.sh grabs kde translation sources, then stuffs language-pack-kde-common into the source ( this contains the common packaging ) , then does lang pack code mapping and then runs dpkg-buildpackage? [14:26] nope [14:26] apachelogger: what's wrong in there? [14:26] and that's what's wrong with it :P [14:26] kde-l10n-common has nothing to do with language-pack-kde-common [14:27] there is no logical logical tie between the two [14:27] there is however an architectural as the script that will expand kde-l10n-common into kde-l10n-$foo ALSO expands language-pack-kde-common into language-pack-kde-$foo [14:29] Riddell: seems indi is an optional dep on kstars, so we could just not buildep on it [14:29] Riddell: to be honest though, it might be simpler to simply fiddle with the meta package [14:29] seeing as kdenetwork probably has a similar issue and arm64 isn't really interesting to us anyway [14:30] I wouldn't be against that [14:30] although arm64 phonon build just started :) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon/4:4.7.1-0ubuntu3/+build/5552771 [14:31] well, we need that for phonon's promotion anyway [14:31] right now there's no phonon 4.7.1 :s [14:31] hopefully this'll fix that [14:32] kdenetwork : Depends: kopete (>= 4:4.11) but it is not installable [14:32] Recommends: kdenetwork-filesharing (>= 4:4.11) but it is not going to be installed [14:32] Recommends: kde-zeroconf (>= 4:4.11) but it is not going to be installed [14:32] Recommends: kdenetwork-strigi-analyzers (>= 4:4.11) but it is not going to be installe [14:33] I think kdenetwork will be nigh empty [14:33] it's a meta package no? [14:33] I mean it's just made from meta-kde [14:34] ah yes it's just a problem with kopete [14:35] ../../../../../protocols/jabber/googletalk/libjingle/talk/base/systeminfo.cc:105:2: error: #error "Unknown architecture." [14:35] ^^ [14:35] Riddell: well, I'll blacklist those things as well but add a card to report the build failures upstream [14:35] supposedly most of them are straight forward [14:35] since googletalk doesn't exist any more anyway I think we can remove that from kopete [14:35] like that googletalk error [14:36] Riddell: best talk with upstream or we get angry upstream mail again ^^ [14:36] there is a kopete upstream? [14:37] well yes, that guy who asked us to add new dependencies a while ago [14:39] https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00376.html [14:40] kopete already has ifeq ($(DEB_HOST_GNU_CPU),powerpc) $(overridden_command) -- -DWITH_GOOGLETALK=false [14:40] Riddell: I think he does active commits upstream as well [14:41] shadeslayer: debian seem to be self destructing slightly [14:41] imploding [14:42] but I'm pretty sure at the end of it they'll go for systemd [14:42] meh [14:42] hm [14:42] Riddell: seems only kopete is blocking after all [14:42] not sure why apt talks about the recommends, they are perfectly installable [14:44] apachelogger: ok I'll fix kopete [14:45] Riddell: nah [14:45] Riddell: just report upstream :P [14:45] or send him a mail [14:45] not really worth the time IMO [14:45] anyway [14:46] meta-kde with blacklisting going up in a second or two [14:46] going to modify the seed for calligra [14:47] * Riddell cheers as phonon builds on arm64 [14:48] apachelogger: ahhhh now I get it [14:48] apachelogger: lines 217 to 227 need to be split out into their own script [14:49] *shrug* [14:49] so that one can build kde-l10n-foo and language-pack-kde-foo separately [14:49] that ought to be the end result, yeah [14:49] got it [14:49] how one gets there I do not know [14:49] seems simple [14:54] apachelogger: I is messing wit partman http://agateau.com/tmp/partman.png [14:57] * agateau wonders if that screenshot is actually readable [14:58] agateau: there's a lot in it, take us through it [14:58] Riddell: The meat is the top-left corner, this is a test app for the partition widget [14:59]