[00:15] <ianorlin> no cd dvd drive either?
[00:33] <Gumboot> Is 4.7GB of disk space really necessary to install, or is that just some glitch that comes from using the original Ubuntu installer or something?
[00:46] <Gumboot> Or even 2.7GB... still seems kind of huge.  Where does it all go
[03:55] <chro> hi
[03:55] <ianorlin> can I help you?
[03:56] <chro> how much disk-space do I need for installing lubuntu
[03:56] <Unit193> Well, how much do you have?
[03:56] <greeter> well i don't know precisely chro... i put it on a 20 gig partition and i have 12 gigs on it still free. i've installed stuff since then though
[03:57] <Unit193> I had it on 10G once.
[03:57] <chro> I have 5 G free
[03:57] <Unit193> That's cutting it close...
[03:58] <greeter> hmm you could be pushing it with lubuntu then, especially since you'll want a swap partition and probably a separate home partition too
[03:58] <chro> the regular ubuntu without libre office occupies roughly 5G
[03:58] <chro> so I was hoping I could do better with lubuntu
[03:59] <Unit193> Could try...
[03:59] <greeter> if you can install it without losing data, give it a shot. installing lubuntu from a cd takes no time at all, especially if you don't download any of the addons
[04:01] <chro> cause my limitation is not in terms of CPU or memory, rather in terms of disk-space
[04:01] <chro> maybe another distro will suite me better
[04:02] <greeter> if you're really concerned about disk space you could dry dsl, which stands for damn small linux. the iso is only about 50 megs
[04:02] <greeter> but like i say, if the space is there and it doesn't contain anything you don't have copies of, try it out first
[04:02] <Unit193> !mini | Just do this and build up.
[04:05] <chro> ok thanks
[04:06] <greeter> hmm i never knew that. you learn something new every day about linux it seems
[04:06] <Unit193> greeter: Tried SliTaz?
[04:06] <greeter> no actually. haven't heard of it till just now
[04:06] <Unit193> 30MB. :D
[04:06] <greeter> very nice
[04:06] <greeter> i'd love to be able to build my own distro. i looked into it once, seems like a big hassle for a small reward though
[04:07] <Unit193> Awwh, you no in -offtopic. :(
[04:07] <greeter> what's the off topic channel called?
[04:07] <Unit193> #lubuntu-offtopic :P
[04:07] <ianorlin> #lubuntu-offtopic
[04:25] <Gumboot> The problem I've had with building up from small distros is that you don't necessarily get all the warning you'd like about how much you'll need when you're done.
[04:26] <Gumboot> I installed Debian in 2GB, and somewhere along the line it ran out of space, handled errors badly, hid thme from me, and fell to pieces.
[04:26] <greeter> yes i can understand how that would be the case
[04:26] <greeter> ouch
[04:27] <Gumboot> Fortunately it did this early, so I hadn't invested too much effort in it... except for the time spent trying to figure out why stuff wasn't working.  I never thought to check df, and I worked it out when I went to install some other diagnostic and caught the error messages in the process.
[04:27] <Gumboot> I _thought_ I had installed so little...
[04:30] <Gumboot> Was wondering if anybody had tried building an x32 distribution, too.  Wanted to know if the system came out comparably small to an i386 distribution.
[04:30] <Gumboot> Of course, I only know the possibility exists because of the recent security issue.  No such thing as bad publicity...
[04:33] <greeter> hmm
[06:52] <cyborg4> Hey,
[06:52] <cyborg4> I have a problem with my ThinkPad T30 running Lubuntu.
[06:52] <cyborg4> It's not compatible with the tp_smapi driver, so how can I gain control of my battery?
[06:53] <cyborg4> ATM I can't even get my battery to charge.
[20:35] <Duality> hi
[20:41] <gil> evening all - I have a weird old version of lubuntu 12.04 - it runs fine but I've borked it up somewhere along the way and it won't recognise that there are updates available. Can anyone tell me what files I should look at to see why it won't recognise 13.10 as an update and offer it?
[20:43] <Unit193> gil: It won't offer 13.10, you have to jump one by one, unless you select 14.04 but that may cause a small bit of breakage (Also, recommended that you wait at this point until 14.04 comes out, more simple.)
[20:43] <gil> unit193 thanks. I'm essentially on 12.04 at the moment, but it won't offer me any updates at all. It's almost as if it doesn't recognise that it's a lubuntu installation :)
[20:44] <Unit193> "essentially on 12.04"?
[20:44] <gil> from what I remember, when I tried a lubuntu live cd it wouldn't recognise the partition is a lubuntu partition either - despite the fact that I am getting most 12.04 updates through fine
[20:44] <Unit193> Try  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a terminal.
[20:44] <gil> so it's a fully working 12.04 installation that doesn't know what it is :)  I'm wondering if there's a sources file or something that may have gotten corrupted
[20:44] <gil> unit193 will do
[20:45] <Unit193> The sources list is at /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:45] <Duality> where can I find 50-synaptics.conf ?
[20:48] <gil> Unit193 Bah! 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[20:48] <Unit193> Duality: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf
[20:49] <Duality> Unit193: yea the xorg.conf.d folder isn't there
[20:49] <Unit193> gil: You sure there are any?  Look at the sources.list file?
[20:49] <gil> Unit193 yeah I checked out sources.list - no references at all to lubuntu, just ubuntu stuff.... wondering if that's correct or not
[20:50] <Unit193> Duality: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics would have to be installed.
[20:50] <Unit193> gil: It is.
[20:51] <gil> Unit193 I'm trying to force re-install lubuntu-desktop to see if that fixes things
[20:53] <gil> hrrrm still no joy. It just doesn't seem to think that there's an update to 12.10 (sorry - I said 12.04 before).... I'm wondering if this is because something is telling it that it's not lubuntu 12.10 so it doesn't realise
[20:54] <Unit193> Bah, systems updates != system upgrades (at least in my head.)  In that case,  do-release-upgrade  or  upgrade-manager -c   for the gui one.
[21:03] <Duality> Unit193: found it was looking in the wrong place :S
[21:03] <Duality> Unit193: thanks!
[21:03] <Unit193> Sure.