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| hyperair | could someone please help me upload https://launchpad.net/~hyperair/+archive/staging/+files/libgpod_0.8.3-4ubuntu3.dsc to ubuntu while i apply for my PPU access to libgpod? | 03:29 |
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| TheMuso | hyperair: Sure, I'll take a look. | 03:52 |
| hyperair | thanks | 03:52 |
| zgsppdale | Hi | 04:03 |
| TheMuso | hyperair: Uplaoded. | 04:04 |
| hyperair | TheMuso: thanks | 04:04 |
| TheMuso | hyperair: np | 04:07 |
| pitti | Good morning | 06:18 |
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| larsu | good morning! | 07:23 |
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| ritz | hi, is indicators-printer maintained ? | 08:14 |
| larsu | ritz: not really... | 08:14 |
| larsu | what's the issue? | 08:14 |
| ritz | thought so | 08:14 |
| ritz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/959451 | 08:15 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 959451 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "Credentials from gnome-keyring is not used while printing" [Low,In progress] | 08:15 |
| ritz | are we deprecating this in favour of system-config-printer ? | 08:16 |
| ritz | or will we implement a different solution ( for ubuntu-unified-touch-phone-laptop-... image ) ? | 08:17 |
| dholbach | hey hey | 08:17 |
| dholbach | setting date and time in trusty does not work - it just opens up the general system settings | 08:18 |
| dholbach | is there a workaround? | 08:18 |
| dholbach | larsu, ^ do you know? | 08:21 |
| larsu | ritz: indicator-printer replaced system-config-printer's applet. We still use s-c-p for other stuff | 08:22 |
| larsu | ritz: I don't know about any plans for the phone yet | 08:22 |
| larsu | dholbach: let me check... | 08:22 |
| larsu | dholbach: do you have unity-control-center installed? | 08:23 |
| dholbach | larsu, yep | 08:23 |
| ali1234 | you need unity-control-center-datetime | 08:23 |
| ali1234 | it's a new package | 08:24 |
| larsu | but it's not pulled in by u-c-c or indicator-datetime? | 08:24 |
| ali1234 | it ispulled in by ubuntu-desktop^ | 08:24 |
| ali1234 | but not if you're just upgrading | 08:24 |
| larsu | dholbach: alternatively you can still start the g-c-c with gnome-control-center.real | 08:24 |
| ali1234 | don't ask me why, i'm looking for the bug report (popey?) | 08:24 |
| larsu | ali1234: not for me after a dist-upgrade | 08:24 |
| popey | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1278063 | 08:25 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1278063 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "date and time settings missing unity-control-center-datetime not installed" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 08:25 |
| ali1234 | cheers | 08:25 |
| popey | np | 08:25 |
| dholbach | ali1234, great, thanks - that made it work | 08:25 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers! | 09:01 |
| JackYu | morning:) | 09:02 |
| popey | Morning | 09:02 |
| * popey wonders why his keyboard layout keeps (twice in two days) changing on trusty from UK to US | 09:02 | |
| seb128 | do you have both configured? | 09:03 |
| popey | no, only one | 09:03 |
| seb128 | weird | 09:03 |
| seb128 | what's the key combinaison to cycle layouts for you? | 09:04 |
| seb128 | (settings -> text input has it) | 09:04 |
| popey | super+space, super+shift+space | 09:04 |
| popey | which if i press, just echos a space | 09:04 |
| seb128 | do you hit those by error maybe? | 09:04 |
| seb128 | hum, k | 09:05 |
| seb128 | dunno then | 09:05 |
| popey | seemed to happen when i got the new unity settings thing | 09:05 |
| seb128 | what new unity settings? | 09:06 |
| popey | unity-control-center | 09:06 |
| popey | may be coincidence, but the layout was fine all last week, only flipped over the weekend. (when ironically I went from the US to UK) | 09:07 |
| popey | ok, added US to list of layouts, switched to it and switched back and now my kb layout is correct. | 09:08 |
| popey | odd. | 09:08 |
| seb128 | unity-control-center is like gnome-control-center | 09:08 |
| seb128 | it's only a configuration UI, it has no service/daemon side | 09:08 |
| seb128 | it's not running if you don't and click it | 09:09 |
| seb128 | so not likely it changing your keymaps | 09:09 |
| popey | hm. No idea then ☻ | 09:10 |
| seb128 | me neither... | 09:10 |
| jibel | I had the same issue with FR->US. I applied latest updates and rebooted, now it's back to french | 09:19 |
| seb128 | jibel, popey: it changed after some upgrades during a session and get back to normal after reboot then? | 09:21 |
| seb128 | do you know what got updated when it happeneD? | 09:21 |
| jibel | seb128, after an upgrade and a cold boot. I think it was fr in lightdm because I could enter my password but the layout was wrong once logged in. Packages updated during previous upgrade http://paste.ubuntu.com/6908067/ | 09:26 |
| seb128 | jibel, thanks (I don't see any obvious candidate for the issue in that list) | 09:26 |
| mlankhorst | oh btw, hello world :P | 09:27 |
| lschuetze | Hi, is there a way to get an Indicator without icon with AppIndicator3? I am using python with PyGI currently. | 10:01 |
| ali1234 | no | 10:05 |
| ritz | larsu, hi, again, wrt https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/959451 . running system-config-printer-applet resolves the issue. indicator-printer seems to be a wrapper around system-config-print for queue management and printer management | 10:09 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 959451 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "Credentials from gnome-keyring is not used while printing" [Low,In progress] | 10:09 |
| ritz | is there a reason why we do not deprecated this in place of s-c-p | 10:09 |
| czajkowski | loving Trusty folks thank you :) \o/ | 10:10 |
| lschuetze | Hi, is there a way to get an Indicator without icon with AppIndicator3? I am using python with PyGI currently. | 10:24 |
| larsu | ritz: s-c-p uses a systray applet and I wrote indicator-printer to be a proper indicator | 10:25 |
| larsu | ritz: but it's been changed by design to not be an indicator at all anymore | 10:26 |
| larsu | I just didn't have the time to update it yet | 10:26 |
| seb128 | larsu, the issue (if I read the description correctly) is that there is some acl management the indicator doesn't do | 10:31 |
| larsu | seb128: according to my last comment on the bug, it seems to be an issue with the print dialog. (I'm not sure right now though, I can't remember the details) | 10:34 |
| larsu | but yeah, it passes along empty credentials | 10:34 |
| seb128 | what is s-c-p-a doing? can we easily do the same thing as a workaround? | 10:35 |
| seb128 | I don't really understand the issue but it seems like something that would be nice to fix for the lts | 10:35 |
| larsu | right. I'll look into it later | 10:38 |
| seb128 | larsu, thanks | 10:39 |
| seb128 | larsu, btw, did you see the new comments in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/1277370 ? | 10:40 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1277370 in evince (Ubuntu) "Now used Aiatana design blocks Evince accessibility usage if the current session is not Unity" [Undecided,New] | 10:40 |
| seb128 | larsu, I'm not sure if I screwed the merge, but that's the same thing I was seeing on friday, some keybindings don't work under !Unity | 10:40 |
| larsu | right | 10:42 |
| larsu | looks like at least the first comment is about that | 10:42 |
| larsu | the second one isn't a regression, but we can talk about it | 10:42 |
| larsu | (changing Ctrl+Left to be used for jumping word when caret navigation is turned on) | 10:42 |
| larsu | seb128: is ubuntu5 the one from last FridaY? | 10:43 |
| seb128 | (seems reasonable to me) | 10:43 |
| larsu | ah, seems like it | 10:43 |
| seb128 | yes, ubuntu5 is the one with your fixes | 10:43 |
| seb128 | but I'm not ruling out that I screwed something when I reconsiliated the revisions I forgot to push and your merge request | 10:44 |
| seb128 | can you check that what you get from lp:~ubuntu-desktop/evince/ubuntu bzr bd-do correctly includes the fix your had? | 10:44 |
| seb128 | you | 10:44 |
| larsu | hm, ubuntu5 crashes on Ctrl+S for me due to a double-free | 10:44 |
| seb128 | urg | 10:45 |
| larsu | yeah let me check | 10:45 |
| seb128 | same here for ctrl-s | 10:45 |
| larsu | the caret-navigation thing works fine here | 10:49 |
| larsu | Ctrl+S is broken in my build as well | 10:49 |
| seb128 | I didn't try the caret navigation, but I had the keybindings not working under g-s on friday | 10:52 |
| larsu | right, I'll test that after fixing the crash | 10:52 |
| larsu | I already know the issue, doesn't seem very related to my patches | 10:52 |
| seb128 | the keybindings or the ctrl-S? | 10:53 |
| larsu | the ctrl+s | 10:53 |
| larsu | oh, it is :( | 10:53 |
| * larsu hides in shame | 10:53 | |
| larsu | seb128: gotta go to the doctor and lunch first, though | 11:00 |
| seb128 | larsu, ok, no problem, good luck with the doctor and enjoy lunch! | 11:00 |
| ritz | larsu, so, updating s-c-p to support indicator features would help ? | 11:10 |
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| desrt | hello europeans and just-returned americans | 12:28 |
| seb128 | desrt, hey, how are you? had a good trip back? | 12:31 |
| desrt | yup | 12:32 |
| desrt | very nice | 12:32 |
| desrt | had a nice ubuntu-using seatmate :) | 12:32 |
| desrt | it's kinda neat how this sort of thing happens more and more often | 12:33 |
| seb128 | nice | 12:33 |
| desrt | the usual response these days is at least "oh ya.. i've heard of that" instead of "huh?" | 12:33 |
| desrt | and every now and then you get someone who has actually tried it :) | 12:34 |
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| mdeslaur | desrt: cool. were they using unity? | 12:48 |
| desrt | mdeslaur: they didn't have it on their laptop | 12:48 |
| mdeslaur | oh, I see | 12:48 |
| desrt | although i ran into another guy once on a bus on the way to the airport who asked for directions... and for some random reason started talking to the guy.... and came to the topic of the fact that i was travelling for free software.... and he said "oh. i use suse... a friend of mine set it up..." | 12:49 |
| desrt | i asked him "ah... are you using kde or gnome?"... "uh.... i don't know.... kde, i think?" | 12:49 |
| mdeslaur | hehe | 12:49 |
| desrt | when he took it out at the airport, gnome | 12:50 |
| desrt | tells you all you need to know about the desktop holy wars :) | 12:50 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 12:50 |
| desrt | "uh... i don't know.... firefox?" | 12:50 |
| mdeslaur | yes, I have to constantly remind myself that reddit isn't our target market :) | 12:50 |
| desrt | that guy was cool... environmental engineer from france who was working at a freshwaters facility on lake ontario | 12:53 |
| desrt | as part of a canada<->france governmental exchange program | 12:53 |
| desrt | i really like it when non-computer-people are using our stuff | 12:53 |
| mlankhorst | I like not thinking about the defaults ;) | 12:53 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: ping? | 13:03 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, hey | 13:03 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Hi Seb! | 13:03 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Question about ubuntu-docs? | 13:03 |
| seb128 | sorry, ctrl-W on the wrong screen | 13:03 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Question about ubuntu-docs? | 13:03 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, sure (I'm probably not the best placed to reply about those but I can try) | 13:04 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: We try to document the "release process" wrt ubuntu-docs. In my world it ought to be easiest to create a source package from lp:ubuntu-docs and upload that, and let lp:ubuntu/ubuntu-docs be automatically updated. Is there anything that speaks against that? | 13:06 |
| seb128 | that sounds good/logical | 13:07 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: I know that you normally are expected to both commit to the ubuntu branch and upload. That's why I asked. | 13:07 |
| seb128 | well, if the upstream branch is the main location for the package as well that works fine | 13:08 |
| seb128 | that's what we do for most projects nowadays | 13:08 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Ok, thanks, that's what I wanted to hear. :) | 13:08 |
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| Sweetshark | seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libetonyek/+bug/1277152/comments/5 <- FYI, Ill stay with internal libetonyek. | 14:46 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1277152 in libetonyek (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libetoneyek needed as b-d for libreoffice" [Low,Won't fix] | 14:46 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, ok | 14:46 |
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| seb128 | larsu, getting anywhere with those evince issues? do you need debug infos from me? | 16:17 |
| larsu | seb128: nope, preparing a patch for the Ctrl+S issue right now | 16:18 |
| seb128 | larsu, great, thanks | 16:18 |
| larsu | I haven't been able to reproduce the other issues he mentioned | 16:18 |
| larsu | do you still have them? | 16:18 |
| larsu | !Unity not working, I mean | 16:19 |
| seb128 | yes | 16:19 |
| ubot2 | larsu: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 16:19 |
| seb128 | let me retry to be sure | 16:19 |
| larsu | ubot2: sorry, my bad. | 16:21 |
| ubot2 | Factoid 'sorry, my bad.' not found | 16:21 |
| larsu | :) | 16:21 |
| seb128 | back | 16:24 |
| seb128 | larsu, sorry, something made user switching really unhappy on my box | 16:24 |
| seb128 | when I log out from sessions I get no X working | 16:24 |
| seb128 | need to test if that's the intel driver updates or lightdm | 16:25 |
| seb128 | larsu, anyway, still the same issue, under gnome-shell e.g f9 doesn't work | 16:25 |
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| larsu | seb128: ah I still had a locally-built version on my machine. I can reproduce with ubuntu5 | 16:42 |
| larsu | now I wonder what the differences were... | 16:42 |
| seb128 | larsu, as said, I don't rule out me screwing up the merge | 16:43 |
| larsu | it looks fine so far. I'm rebuilding it right now | 16:43 |
| seb128 | there was a conflict in one of the debian/patches and diff on diff can be tricky | 16:43 |
| larsu | ya :) | 16:43 |
| sil2100 | seb128: ping! | 17:22 |
| seb128 | sil2100, hey | 17:22 |
| sil2100 | seb128: hi! Can I borrow you for some preNEWing? ;) | 17:22 |
| sil2100 | seb128: when do you EOD today? | 17:22 |
| seb128 | sil2100, I'm going for sport in some 10 minutes, but feel free to give me the names and I can review them tomorrow morning when I start | 17:23 |
| asac | sil2100: noone else we can try? | 17:25 |
| asac | seb128: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-003/+packages | 17:25 |
| asac | unity-scopes-scopes | 17:25 |
| asac | :) | 17:25 |
| asac | err unity-scope-scopes | 17:25 |
| seb128 | asac, sil2100: +1 for that source, I just reviewed it, it's a trivial one | 17:27 |
| sil2100 | \o/ | 17:27 |
| popey | grr, seb128 my laptop has just randomly flipped to US layout again! | 17:27 |
| sil2100 | seb128: can you check if the whitelist is updated? | 17:27 |
| sil2100 | (I guess we still need that to be done?) | 17:27 |
| popey | indicator still shows UK | 17:27 |
| sil2100 | No, wait... hmm | 17:27 |
| * sil2100 is confused | 17:27 | |
| sil2100 | We didn't use CITrain yet for new packages, so I don't even know where from does it take the whitelist | 17:28 |
| seb128 | popey, :/ | 17:28 |
| popey | no idea what's causing it... very odd | 17:28 |
| kenvandine | popey, you spent a week in the US... we figure you are ready for a change :) | 17:29 |
| popey | hah | 17:29 |
| popey | hey, I'm all for eating meat and dancing on tables! | 17:29 |
| popey | Keyboard layouts however, no. | 17:29 |
| kenvandine | haha... shhhhhhh | 17:29 |
| kenvandine | :-D | 17:29 |
| kenvandine | seb128, remember the greek place we went to a couple years ago? we went back :) | 17:30 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, did you dance on the table? :p | 17:30 |
| kenvandine | of course! | 17:31 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 17:31 |
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| larsu | seb128: building evince for hopefully the last time :-/ | 17:39 |
| * larsu really hates accels in 3.10 | 17:39 | |
| seb128 | :-( | 17:41 |
| larsu | seems to work now though | 17:41 |
| seb128 | larsu, what was the issue? | 17:41 |
| larsu | with a small workaround - desrt redid accel handling in 3.12 so I didn't bother to fix it in 3.10 | 17:41 |
| larsu | seb128: the accels from the menu xml don't get picked up by the window | 17:42 |
| larsu | calling gtk_application_set_accelerator() in addition makes it work | 17:42 |
| seb128 | k | 17:42 |
| larsu | the Ctrl+S issue was my mistake | 17:42 |
| larsu | I'll mr both in the same branch | 17:42 |
| seb128 | hopefully we are gold this time ;-) | 17:42 |
| larsu | ya.... | 17:42 |
| seb128 | feel free to just commit to your git and point me to the commits | 17:43 |
| seb128 | e.g don't bother with quilt if you don't want to | 17:43 |
| seb128 | I can easily cherrypick diffs | 17:43 |
| larsu | I already imported it into the package because I wanted to makes sure it works this time | 17:43 |
| seb128 | k | 17:43 |
| larsu | by building the package itself | 17:43 |
| larsu | (hence the wait...) | 17:43 |
| seb128 | larsu, take your time, I've to go for sport so that's going to be for tomorrow for me anywa | 17:44 |
| seb128 | have a nice evening everyone | 17:44 |
| seb128 | see you tomorrow | 17:44 |
| larsu | seb128: enojoy! | 17:44 |
| larsu | *enjoy | 17:44 |
| seb128 | thanks ;-) | 17:44 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, is it possible for you to try running the key grabber AP tests again with this branch? it just adds some extra debug output: https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/compiz/debug-gnome-key-grabber | 17:49 |
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| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Yeah, I'll do that now. | 18:45 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: I have some results from the debugging you asked me to do. | 20:05 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, hey, thanks | 20:10 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: So I ended up just using printf's instead because I couldn't get Compiz debug output to work on my setup. | 20:12 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: But this is what was ouputted when I ran the failing test: | 20:12 |
| ChrisTownsend | grad 38 0xd | 20:12 |
| ChrisTownsend | ungrab 38 0xd | 20:12 |
| ChrisTownsend | Err, grab | 20:12 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, is there any more than that? | 20:14 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Not when the test is ran. | 20:15 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: There is more when Compiz starts. Do you need that? | 20:15 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, did you replace all of the compLogMessage's? i'm hoping you didn't happen to miss some of them | 20:16 |
| attente_ | (btw i was adding the --verbose flag to unity to get them to appear) | 20:16 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: This is only for the test_grab_accelerator test that is failing. | 20:16 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Yes, all of the one's you added. | 20:16 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Oh, --verbose? I was using --debug. Let me switch it back and try that, but I think it will be the same. | 20:17 |
| attente_ | oh ok | 20:17 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, do global shortcuts work at all for you? | 20:18 |
| attente_ | i mean the ones that g-s-d normally provides | 20:18 |
| attente_ | like the volume up/down buttons | 20:18 |
| attente_ | or the next/previous input source ones | 20:18 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Doesn't appear they are. | 20:19 |
| attente_ | so bizarre... :S | 20:20 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: So the same thing with --verbose. | 20:20 |
| attente_ | ok | 20:21 |
| attente_ | can you try again: dbus-send --session --dest=org.gnome.Shell --print-reply /org/gnome/Shell org.gnome.Shell.GrabAccelerator string:'<Shift><Control><Alt>a' uint32:0 | 20:22 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Ok | 20:23 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Then dbus-monitor? | 20:23 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, what is the reply for that send? | 20:23 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, it seems so strange that the tests fail and none of the g-s-d keybindings work | 20:24 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: method return sender=:1.875 -> dest=:1.887 reply_serial=2 | 20:24 |
| ChrisTownsend | uint32 2 | 20:24 |
| attente_ | but your alt+f is still opening in the panel | 20:24 |
| attente_ | correct? | 20:24 |
| ChrisTownsend | Yes, alt+f opens the menu in the Panel. | 20:25 |
| attente_ | that suggests to me that the key grabber dbus server is down | 20:25 |
| attente_ | ok, now 'dbus-monitor member=AcceleratorActivated' | 20:25 |
| attente_ | and ctrl+shift+alt+a again | 20:25 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Nothing is outputted. | 20:26 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, dbus-send --session --dest=org.gnome.Shell --print-reply /org/gnome/Shell org.gnome.Shell.UngrabAccelerator uint32:2 | 20:27 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Ok | 20:28 |
| attente_ | any reply? | 20:28 |
| ChrisTownsend | method return sender=:1.875 -> dest=:1.890 reply_serial=2 | 20:29 |
| ChrisTownsend | boolean true | 20:29 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, do you have any special compiz plugins installed? | 20:31 |
| attente_ | hmm.. no that can't be it... | 20:32 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, can you killall gnome-settings-daemon? | 20:33 |
| attente_ | then try again dbus-send --session --dest=org.gnome.Shell --print-reply /org/gnome/Shell org.gnome.Shell.GrabAccelerator string:'<Shift><Control><Alt>a' uint32:0 | 20:33 |
| attente_ | i'm wondering why g-s-d doesn't seem to be registering its accelerators | 20:34 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Umm, this may be telling. There is no gnome-settings-daemon process running. | 20:35 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: I'm going to reboot and see if it comes back. | 20:36 |
| attente_ | wow, that's really strange | 20:36 |
| attente_ | ok | 20:36 |
| ChrisTownsend | It is strange. | 20:36 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Still no g-s-d. What is up with my system????? | 20:38 |
| attente_ | :( | 20:38 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: I can start it manually, right? | 20:39 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, 'start gnome-settings-daemon' | 20:39 |
| attente_ | i hope so... | 20:39 |
| attente_ | but it's weird that it's in such a state as to not start with the session | 20:39 |
| ChrisTownsend | Yeah, very strange. It's running now. I'll try the test and see what happens. | 20:40 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, i guess the tests will still fail | 20:40 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, but i'm wondering if your g-s-d keybindings work again | 20:40 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Yes, g-s-d keybindings work now | 20:41 |
| attente_ | ok, can you do 'dbus-monitor member=AcceleratorActivated' again and try using some of those keybindings? | 20:41 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: I get no output from those keybindings. | 20:43 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, but the keybindings still have an effect? | 20:43 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Yes | 20:43 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, apt-cache policy gnome-settings-daemon | 20:44 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Uh, I didn't notice, but I guess an update overwrote your g-s-d package I installed. 3.8.6.1-0ubuntu8 | 20:45 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, ah, ok | 20:45 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: I only installed your package not using your PPA. | 20:45 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, i guess this is still only half the problem though | 20:46 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Right | 20:46 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, can you downgrade g-s-d, restart it, and then dbus-monitor member=AcceleratorActivated again? | 20:47 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Yeah, I'll try that. | 20:47 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Bah, it won't let me because the gnome-settings-daemon-schemas cannot be downgraded. | 20:49 |
| attente_ | ooph. | 20:49 |
| attente_ | ok, let me upload a new one | 20:49 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Ok | 20:49 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, ok, i think i see what happened. it must be the g-s-d fork | 20:51 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: I think this new package is also when my g-s-d started to fail starting. | 20:52 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, ok, i'll have to apply the changes to unity-settings-daemon instead | 20:54 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, thanks for your help, i'll let you know when it's ready | 20:54 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Ok, np | 20:58 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, do you actually have unity-settings-daemon installed? | 21:41 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: I didn't, but now I do. | 21:43 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, i can't seem to replicate the problem where your g-s-d isn't running, mine still runs and i don't have u-s-d installed | 21:45 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: I honestly have no idea why it would not start. u-s-d starts up on session start though. | 21:47 |
| * ChrisTownsend Shrugs | 21:47 | |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, you manually installed u-s-d? | 21:47 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Yes | 21:48 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, ok, i'm not sure what the right course of action is here | 21:48 |
| attente_ | robert_ancell, hey | 21:48 |
| robert_ancell | attente_, hello | 21:48 |
| attente_ | robert_ancell, is there an issue where g-s-d wouldn't start up in the unity session because of the fork? | 21:49 |
| robert_ancell | attente_, did you manually install u-s-d? | 21:49 |
| attente_ | robert_ancell, i didn't, but ChrisTownsend seemed to encounter that problem earlier | 21:49 |
| robert_ancell | attente_, it was working for me, but it should be opt-in. xnox was playing around with the upstart config though | 21:49 |
| Laney | buh | 21:50 |
| Laney | the upstart changes went in | 21:50 |
| ChrisTownsend | Right, I had latest g-s-d installed with no u-s-d installed and g-s-d would not start on session start up. I manually installed u-s-d and not u-s-d starts fine. | 21:50 |
| Laney | -start on started dbus and starting gnome-session | 21:50 |
| ChrisTownsend | s/not/now | 21:50 |
| xnox | attente_: please do $ apt-cache policy libunity-core-6.0-8 gnome-settings-daemon unity-settings-daemon | 21:50 |
| Laney | +start on started dbus and starting gnome-session INSTANCE!=ubuntu | 21:51 |
| Laney | that is bad if we don't pull in u-s-d in some way | 21:51 |
| xnox | Laney: there is an override in libunity-core-6.0-8 to start gnome-settings-daemon, if there is no unity-settings-daemon, until unity-settings-daemon is pulled in by default. | 21:51 |
| xnox | attente_: and paste the output somewhere =) | 21:52 |
| attente_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6911569/ | 21:52 |
| attente_ | xnox, ^ | 21:52 |
| attente_ | xnox, but this isn't my issue i guess, somehow ChrisTownsend got into that state | 21:53 |
| ChrisTownsend | Ah, libunity-core-6.0-8 was uninstalled due to me installing libunity-core-6.0-9 from the Unity daily-build PPA. | 21:53 |
| xnox | ChrisTownsend: yeap, that would make things bad... | 21:54 |
| attente_ | bah. ok. my fault, sorry ChrisTownsend! | 21:54 |
| xnox | robert_ancell: how far up the stack are we to make unity-settings-daemon the default? | 21:54 |
| Laney | man, that is weird | 21:54 |
| Laney | I'd have just waited before uploading it and done all the changes at once | 21:54 |
| ChrisTownsend | Sorry guys for my Frankenstein system! | 21:54 |
| xnox | ChrisTownsend: attente_: sorry about that, I should make merge proposal into unity. | 21:54 |
| robert_ancell | xnox, "far up the stack"? | 21:55 |
| xnox | Laney: that's what I wanted, that's why i had it blocked in -proposed. | 21:55 |
| xnox | Laney: but somehow we ended up thinking on friday that gnome-settings-daemon is good to be unblocked into release pocket.... | 21:55 |
| xnox | robert_ancell: there was a tracking bug to switch dependencies, wasn't there? | 21:57 |
| robert_ancell | xnox, bug 1277487 | 21:57 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1277487 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "Create Unity Settings Daemon so can remain on old GNOME Settings Daemon version" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1277487 | 21:57 |
| xnox | right that. | 21:57 |
| xnox | robert_ancell: i guess we can seed unity-settings-daemon & gnome-settings-daemon. | 22:04 |
| xnox | actually seed unity-settings-deamon only and drop gnome-settings-daemon. | 22:04 |
| xnox | unity-s-d will pull in g-s-d-schemas and those remaining applications that depend on gnome-settings-daemon will pull it in, until we do all the uploads for s/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon-schemas/ | 22:05 |
| kgunn | robert_ancell: yo! | 22:07 |
| robert_ancell | kgunn, how's is going? | 22:07 |
| robert_ancell | sure | 22:07 |
| xnox | tedg: how do i land https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/indicator-session/unity-settings-daemon/+merge/205421 ? it's all good to go. | 22:22 |
| tedg | xnox, thostr is the landing engineer for that project, so you'll have to ask him. | 22:24 |
| tedg | xnox, He'll have to get it into the silo request spreadsheet, and then... there's process. | 22:24 |
| xnox | tedg: what does a landing engineer means? why can't i be the lander of this branch? Surely anyone who can dput should be able to be the "landing" engineer. | 22:30 |
| tedg | xnox, One would think. | 22:30 |
| xnox | thostr, if you are in current working timezone and not on vacation and not otherwise swamped with high priority work, what needs to happen to land above branch into the archive? | 22:31 |
| xnox | tedg: i have this wonderful command called "dput" and it's a pretty good landing robot =) | 22:31 |
| tedg | xnox, It would be against the release process for me to recommend distro patching it and saving yourself a day's work. | 22:32 |
| ali1234 | hi tedg, how is the indicator stuff going? | 22:39 |
| Laney | xnox: I'm not sure I knew that the upstart stuff was in there | 22:43 |
| Laney | thought it was just the split | 22:43 |
| Laney | oh well | 22:44 |
| xnox | Laney: well, it was all of our changes as well -> that is: g-s-d start on !=ubuntu and u-s-d start on =ubuntu | 22:44 |
| xnox | trickery that we designed. | 22:44 |
| Laney | yeah I guess I got the wrong end of the stick | 22:44 |
| Laney | thought they would just be put into bzr | 22:44 |
| xnox | to be fair, if i didn't upload, i would have lost context about the "solution" by today =) | 22:44 |
| xnox | Laney: they were committed into version control, -proposed branch... using dput. =)))))))) that's my preferred version control system these days. | 22:45 |
| Laney | heh | 22:46 |
| tedg | ali1234, Eh, okay. Getting bogged down in non-code stuff, but I very much have fixing that on the TODO list. | 22:46 |
| ali1234 | tedg: we really need the fix for xubuntu, because we want to land gtk3 indicators this cycle, and currently our testers cannot test it | 22:47 |
| ochosi | +1 | 22:47 |
| xnox | ali1234: is there something you need sponsoring? | 22:48 |
| xnox | ali1234: i am also indicator developer. | 22:48 |
| tedg | ali1234, I understand, sorry to take this long on it. | 22:48 |
| ali1234 | xnox: i have a MR that goes on top of the existing upstart indicator work | 22:49 |
| xnox | ali1234: link? | 22:49 |
| ali1234 | https://code.launchpad.net/~a-j-buxton/libindicator/remove-timeout/+merge/198070 | 22:49 |
| tedg | xnox, It's basically finishing the session service transition for indicators. | 22:50 |
| tedg | We can't land that until I get all the indicators cleaned up. | 22:50 |
| ochosi | tedg: how many are missing atm? | 22:51 |
| tedg | ochosi, messaging is the big one, but I think some of the others aren't right. They're not using the Upstart XDG dirs, so they're kinda flaky. | 22:51 |
| xnox | tedg: chicken and egg, eh? can't have both no-trigger-activation and auto-shutdown. | 22:51 |
| ali1234 | xnox: exactly, it causes a race condition | 22:52 |
| tedg | It's really more about ditching all the process management code in libindicator, it fights with whoever *should* be managing the process. | 22:52 |
| xnox | tedg: or do we have a lifecycle manager to start us up? | 22:52 |
| xnox | (on the phone that is) | 22:52 |
| tedg | On the phone Upstart does the session management. | 22:53 |
| tedg | Or, management of the session. | 22:53 |
| tedg | Technically "session management" is done by unity-mir. | 22:53 |
| tedg | Wow, I'm not really sure I cleared anything up there. | 22:53 |
| ochosi | tedg: hm, is there an ETA/deadline for the indicator work to be finished? | 22:58 |
| Laney | feature freeze is in 10 days :-) | 22:58 |
| tedg | ochosi, I think the... yes, what Laney said :-) | 22:58 |
| ali1234 | yeah but since you already cunningly half-pushed the changes, technically FF does not apply :) | 22:59 |
| ochosi | well, does it apply to xubuntu then if we push the gtk3-indicator-related stuff after FF? | 23:00 |
| ali1234 | yes | 23:00 |
| ali1234 | this is the exact same situation that caused them not to get landed last cycle | 23:01 |
| Laney | sure it does, the rest of the changes are still features | 23:01 |
| Laney | it'd be polite to give flavours time to get their ducks in a row before feature freeze too ... | 23:01 |
| ali1234 | +1 | 23:01 |
| * ochosi admits he was asking rhetorically, trying to make a point | 23:02 | |
| Laney | to the bed-mobile! | 23:02 |
| ochosi | well i guess we should half-cunningly push our changes then | 23:02 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 23:02 |
| ali1234 | well it would help if upstream would do a release too | 23:03 |
| ochosi | yeah, i sent an email about that a few days ago (still waiting for a reply) | 23:03 |
| ochosi | don't think we have any more time to wait | 23:04 |
| ali1234 | ochosi: worst case we can always stuff the workaround variable somewhere in the xfce environment | 23:08 |
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