=== m_conley_away is now known as m_conley === duflu_ is now known as duflu === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [03:29] could someone please help me upload https://launchpad.net/~hyperair/+archive/staging/+files/libgpod_0.8.3-4ubuntu3.dsc to ubuntu while i apply for my PPU access to libgpod? [03:52] hyperair: Sure, I'll take a look. [03:52] thanks [04:03] Hi [04:04] hyperair: Uplaoded. [04:04] TheMuso: thanks [04:07] hyperair: np [06:18] Good morning === maclin_ is now known as maclin [07:23] good morning! === alf is now known as alf_ [08:14] hi, is indicators-printer maintained ? [08:14] ritz: not really... [08:14] what's the issue? [08:14] thought so [08:15] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/959451 [08:15] Launchpad bug 959451 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "Credentials from gnome-keyring is not used while printing" [Low,In progress] [08:16] are we deprecating this in favour of system-config-printer ? [08:17] or will we implement a different solution ( for ubuntu-unified-touch-phone-laptop-... image ) ? [08:17] hey hey [08:18] setting date and time in trusty does not work - it just opens up the general system settings [08:18] is there a workaround? [08:21] larsu, ^ do you know? [08:22] ritz: indicator-printer replaced system-config-printer's applet. We still use s-c-p for other stuff [08:22] ritz: I don't know about any plans for the phone yet [08:22] dholbach: let me check... [08:23] dholbach: do you have unity-control-center installed? [08:23] larsu, yep [08:23] you need unity-control-center-datetime [08:24] it's a new package [08:24] but it's not pulled in by u-c-c or indicator-datetime? [08:24] it ispulled in by ubuntu-desktop^ [08:24] but not if you're just upgrading [08:24] dholbach: alternatively you can still start the g-c-c with gnome-control-center.real [08:24] don't ask me why, i'm looking for the bug report (popey?) [08:24] ali1234: not for me after a dist-upgrade [08:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1278063 [08:25] Launchpad bug 1278063 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "date and time settings missing unity-control-center-datetime not installed" [Undecided,Confirmed] [08:25] cheers [08:25] np [08:25] ali1234, great, thanks - that made it work [09:01] good morning desktopers! [09:02] morning:) [09:02] Morning [09:02] * popey wonders why his keyboard layout keeps (twice in two days) changing on trusty from UK to US [09:03] do you have both configured? [09:03] no, only one [09:03] weird [09:04] what's the key combinaison to cycle layouts for you? [09:04] (settings -> text input has it) [09:04] super+space, super+shift+space [09:04] which if i press, just echos a space [09:04] do you hit those by error maybe? [09:05] hum, k [09:05] dunno then [09:05] seemed to happen when i got the new unity settings thing [09:06] what new unity settings? [09:06] unity-control-center [09:07] may be coincidence, but the layout was fine all last week, only flipped over the weekend. (when ironically I went from the US to UK) [09:08] ok, added US to list of layouts, switched to it and switched back and now my kb layout is correct. [09:08] odd. [09:08] unity-control-center is like gnome-control-center [09:08] it's only a configuration UI, it has no service/daemon side [09:09] it's not running if you don't and click it [09:09] so not likely it changing your keymaps [09:10] hm. No idea then ☻ [09:10] me neither... [09:19] I had the same issue with FR->US. I applied latest updates and rebooted, now it's back to french [09:21] jibel, popey: it changed after some upgrades during a session and get back to normal after reboot then? [09:21] do you know what got updated when it happeneD? [09:26] seb128, after an upgrade and a cold boot. I think it was fr in lightdm because I could enter my password but the layout was wrong once logged in. Packages updated during previous upgrade http://paste.ubuntu.com/6908067/ [09:26] jibel, thanks (I don't see any obvious candidate for the issue in that list) [09:27] oh btw, hello world :P [10:01] Hi, is there a way to get an Indicator without icon with AppIndicator3? I am using python with PyGI currently. [10:05] no [10:09] larsu, hi, again, wrt https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/959451 . running system-config-printer-applet resolves the issue. indicator-printer seems to be a wrapper around system-config-print for queue management and printer management [10:09] Launchpad bug 959451 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "Credentials from gnome-keyring is not used while printing" [Low,In progress] [10:09] is there a reason why we do not deprecated this in place of s-c-p [10:10] loving Trusty folks thank you :) \o/ [10:24] Hi, is there a way to get an Indicator without icon with AppIndicator3? I am using python with PyGI currently. [10:25] ritz: s-c-p uses a systray applet and I wrote indicator-printer to be a proper indicator [10:26] ritz: but it's been changed by design to not be an indicator at all anymore [10:26] I just didn't have the time to update it yet [10:31] larsu, the issue (if I read the description correctly) is that there is some acl management the indicator doesn't do [10:34] seb128: according to my last comment on the bug, it seems to be an issue with the print dialog. (I'm not sure right now though, I can't remember the details) [10:34] but yeah, it passes along empty credentials [10:35] what is s-c-p-a doing? can we easily do the same thing as a workaround? [10:35] I don't really understand the issue but it seems like something that would be nice to fix for the lts [10:38] right. I'll look into it later [10:39] larsu, thanks [10:40] larsu, btw, did you see the new comments in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/1277370 ? [10:40] Launchpad bug 1277370 in evince (Ubuntu) "Now used Aiatana design blocks Evince accessibility usage if the current session is not Unity" [Undecided,New] [10:40] larsu, I'm not sure if I screwed the merge, but that's the same thing I was seeing on friday, some keybindings don't work under !Unity [10:42] right [10:42] looks like at least the first comment is about that [10:42] the second one isn't a regression, but we can talk about it [10:42] (changing Ctrl+Left to be used for jumping word when caret navigation is turned on) [10:43] seb128: is ubuntu5 the one from last FridaY? [10:43] (seems reasonable to me) [10:43] ah, seems like it [10:43] yes, ubuntu5 is the one with your fixes [10:44] but I'm not ruling out that I screwed something when I reconsiliated the revisions I forgot to push and your merge request [10:44] can you check that what you get from lp:~ubuntu-desktop/evince/ubuntu bzr bd-do correctly includes the fix your had? [10:44] you [10:44] hm, ubuntu5 crashes on Ctrl+S for me due to a double-free [10:45] urg [10:45] yeah let me check [10:45] same here for ctrl-s [10:49] the caret-navigation thing works fine here [10:49] Ctrl+S is broken in my build as well [10:52] I didn't try the caret navigation, but I had the keybindings not working under g-s on friday [10:52] right, I'll test that after fixing the crash [10:52] I already know the issue, doesn't seem very related to my patches [10:53] the keybindings or the ctrl-S? [10:53] the ctrl+s [10:53] oh, it is :( [10:53] * larsu hides in shame [11:00] seb128: gotta go to the doctor and lunch first, though [11:00] larsu, ok, no problem, good luck with the doctor and enjoy lunch! [11:10] larsu, so, updating s-c-p to support indicator features would help ? === mhr3__ is now known as mhr3 === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:28] hello europeans and just-returned americans [12:31] desrt, hey, how are you? had a good trip back? [12:32] yup [12:32] very nice [12:32] had a nice ubuntu-using seatmate :) [12:33] it's kinda neat how this sort of thing happens more and more often [12:33] nice [12:33] the usual response these days is at least "oh ya.. i've heard of that" instead of "huh?" [12:34] and every now and then you get someone who has actually tried it :) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:48] desrt: cool. were they using unity? [12:48] mdeslaur: they didn't have it on their laptop [12:48] oh, I see [12:49] although i ran into another guy once on a bus on the way to the airport who asked for directions... and for some random reason started talking to the guy.... and came to the topic of the fact that i was travelling for free software.... and he said "oh. i use suse... a friend of mine set it up..." [12:49] i asked him "ah... are you using kde or gnome?"... "uh.... i don't know.... kde, i think?" [12:49] hehe [12:50] when he took it out at the airport, gnome [12:50] tells you all you need to know about the desktop holy wars :) [12:50] ;-) [12:50] "uh... i don't know.... firefox?" [12:50] yes, I have to constantly remind myself that reddit isn't our target market :) [12:53] that guy was cool... environmental engineer from france who was working at a freshwaters facility on lake ontario [12:53] as part of a canada<->france governmental exchange program [12:53] i really like it when non-computer-people are using our stuff [12:53] I like not thinking about the defaults ;) [13:03] seb128: ping? [13:03] GunnarHj, hey [13:03] seb128: Hi Seb! [13:03] seb128: Question about ubuntu-docs? [13:03] sorry, ctrl-W on the wrong screen [13:03] seb128: Question about ubuntu-docs? [13:04] GunnarHj, sure (I'm probably not the best placed to reply about those but I can try) [13:06] seb128: We try to document the "release process" wrt ubuntu-docs. In my world it ought to be easiest to create a source package from lp:ubuntu-docs and upload that, and let lp:ubuntu/ubuntu-docs be automatically updated. Is there anything that speaks against that? [13:07] that sounds good/logical [13:07] seb128: I know that you normally are expected to both commit to the ubuntu branch and upload. That's why I asked. [13:08] well, if the upstream branch is the main location for the package as well that works fine [13:08] that's what we do for most projects nowadays [13:08] seb128: Ok, thanks, that's what I wanted to hear. :) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:46] seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libetonyek/+bug/1277152/comments/5 <- FYI, Ill stay with internal libetonyek. [14:46] Launchpad bug 1277152 in libetonyek (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libetoneyek needed as b-d for libreoffice" [Low,Won't fix] [14:46] Sweetshark, ok === cmiller_ is now known as qengho === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [16:17] larsu, getting anywhere with those evince issues? do you need debug infos from me? [16:18] seb128: nope, preparing a patch for the Ctrl+S issue right now [16:18] larsu, great, thanks [16:18] I haven't been able to reproduce the other issues he mentioned [16:18] do you still have them? [16:19] !Unity not working, I mean [16:19] yes [16:19] larsu: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [16:19] let me retry to be sure [16:21] ubot2: sorry, my bad. [16:21] Factoid 'sorry, my bad.' not found [16:21] :) [16:24] back [16:24] larsu, sorry, something made user switching really unhappy on my box [16:24] when I log out from sessions I get no X working [16:25] need to test if that's the intel driver updates or lightdm [16:25] larsu, anyway, still the same issue, under gnome-shell e.g f9 doesn't work === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [16:42] seb128: ah I still had a locally-built version on my machine. I can reproduce with ubuntu5 [16:42] now I wonder what the differences were... [16:43] larsu, as said, I don't rule out me screwing up the merge [16:43] it looks fine so far. I'm rebuilding it right now [16:43] there was a conflict in one of the debian/patches and diff on diff can be tricky [16:43] ya :) [17:22] seb128: ping! [17:22] sil2100, hey [17:22] seb128: hi! Can I borrow you for some preNEWing? ;) [17:22] seb128: when do you EOD today? [17:23] sil2100, I'm going for sport in some 10 minutes, but feel free to give me the names and I can review them tomorrow morning when I start [17:25] sil2100: noone else we can try? [17:25] seb128: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-003/+packages [17:25] unity-scopes-scopes [17:25] :) [17:25] err unity-scope-scopes [17:27] asac, sil2100: +1 for that source, I just reviewed it, it's a trivial one [17:27] \o/ [17:27] grr, seb128 my laptop has just randomly flipped to US layout again! [17:27] seb128: can you check if the whitelist is updated? [17:27] (I guess we still need that to be done?) [17:27] indicator still shows UK [17:27] No, wait... hmm [17:27] * sil2100 is confused [17:28] We didn't use CITrain yet for new packages, so I don't even know where from does it take the whitelist [17:28] popey, :/ [17:28] no idea what's causing it... very odd [17:29] popey, you spent a week in the US... we figure you are ready for a change :) [17:29] hah [17:29] hey, I'm all for eating meat and dancing on tables! [17:29] Keyboard layouts however, no. [17:29] haha... shhhhhhh [17:29] :-D [17:30] seb128, remember the greek place we went to a couple years ago? we went back :) [17:30] kenvandine, did you dance on the table? :p [17:31] of course! [17:31] ;-) === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox [17:39] seb128: building evince for hopefully the last time :-/ [17:39] * larsu really hates accels in 3.10 [17:41] :-( [17:41] seems to work now though [17:41] larsu, what was the issue? [17:41] with a small workaround - desrt redid accel handling in 3.12 so I didn't bother to fix it in 3.10 [17:42] seb128: the accels from the menu xml don't get picked up by the window [17:42] calling gtk_application_set_accelerator() in addition makes it work [17:42] k [17:42] the Ctrl+S issue was my mistake [17:42] I'll mr both in the same branch [17:42] hopefully we are gold this time ;-) [17:42] ya.... [17:43] feel free to just commit to your git and point me to the commits [17:43] e.g don't bother with quilt if you don't want to [17:43] I can easily cherrypick diffs [17:43] I already imported it into the package because I wanted to makes sure it works this time [17:43] k [17:43] by building the package itself [17:43] (hence the wait...) [17:44] larsu, take your time, I've to go for sport so that's going to be for tomorrow for me anywa [17:44] have a nice evening everyone [17:44] see you tomorrow [17:44] seb128: enojoy! [17:44] *enjoy [17:44] thanks ;-) [17:49] ChrisTownsend, is it possible for you to try running the key grabber AP tests again with this branch? it just adds some extra debug output: https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/compiz/debug-gnome-key-grabber === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:45] attente_: Yeah, I'll do that now. [20:05] attente_: I have some results from the debugging you asked me to do. [20:10] ChrisTownsend, hey, thanks [20:12] attente_: So I ended up just using printf's instead because I couldn't get Compiz debug output to work on my setup. [20:12] attente_: But this is what was ouputted when I ran the failing test: [20:12] grad 38 0xd [20:12] ungrab 38 0xd [20:12] Err, grab [20:14] ChrisTownsend, is there any more than that? [20:15] attente_: Not when the test is ran. [20:15] attente_: There is more when Compiz starts. Do you need that? [20:16] ChrisTownsend, did you replace all of the compLogMessage's? i'm hoping you didn't happen to miss some of them [20:16] (btw i was adding the --verbose flag to unity to get them to appear) [20:16] attente_: This is only for the test_grab_accelerator test that is failing. [20:16] attente_: Yes, all of the one's you added. [20:17] attente_: Oh, --verbose? I was using --debug. Let me switch it back and try that, but I think it will be the same. [20:17] oh ok [20:18] ChrisTownsend, do global shortcuts work at all for you? [20:18] i mean the ones that g-s-d normally provides [20:18] like the volume up/down buttons [20:18] or the next/previous input source ones [20:19] attente_: Doesn't appear they are. [20:20] so bizarre... :S [20:20] attente_: So the same thing with --verbose. [20:21] ok [20:22] can you try again: dbus-send --session --dest=org.gnome.Shell --print-reply /org/gnome/Shell org.gnome.Shell.GrabAccelerator string:'a' uint32:0 [20:23] attente_: Ok [20:23] attente_: Then dbus-monitor? [20:23] ChrisTownsend, what is the reply for that send? [20:24] ChrisTownsend, it seems so strange that the tests fail and none of the g-s-d keybindings work [20:24] attente_: method return sender=:1.875 -> dest=:1.887 reply_serial=2 [20:24] uint32 2 [20:24] but your alt+f is still opening in the panel [20:24] correct? [20:25] Yes, alt+f opens the menu in the Panel. [20:25] that suggests to me that the key grabber dbus server is down [20:25] ok, now 'dbus-monitor member=AcceleratorActivated' [20:25] and ctrl+shift+alt+a again [20:26] attente_: Nothing is outputted. [20:27] ChrisTownsend, dbus-send --session --dest=org.gnome.Shell --print-reply /org/gnome/Shell org.gnome.Shell.UngrabAccelerator uint32:2 [20:28] attente_: Ok [20:28] any reply? [20:29] method return sender=:1.875 -> dest=:1.890 reply_serial=2 [20:29] boolean true [20:31] ChrisTownsend, do you have any special compiz plugins installed? [20:32] hmm.. no that can't be it... [20:33] ChrisTownsend, can you killall gnome-settings-daemon? [20:33] then try again dbus-send --session --dest=org.gnome.Shell --print-reply /org/gnome/Shell org.gnome.Shell.GrabAccelerator string:'a' uint32:0 [20:34] i'm wondering why g-s-d doesn't seem to be registering its accelerators [20:35] attente_: Umm, this may be telling. There is no gnome-settings-daemon process running. [20:36] attente_: I'm going to reboot and see if it comes back. [20:36] wow, that's really strange [20:36] ok [20:36] It is strange. [20:38] attente_: Still no g-s-d. What is up with my system????? [20:38] :( [20:39] attente_: I can start it manually, right? [20:39] ChrisTownsend, 'start gnome-settings-daemon' [20:39] i hope so... [20:39] but it's weird that it's in such a state as to not start with the session [20:40] Yeah, very strange. It's running now. I'll try the test and see what happens. [20:40] ChrisTownsend, i guess the tests will still fail [20:40] ChrisTownsend, but i'm wondering if your g-s-d keybindings work again [20:41] attente_: Yes, g-s-d keybindings work now [20:41] ok, can you do 'dbus-monitor member=AcceleratorActivated' again and try using some of those keybindings? [20:43] attente_: I get no output from those keybindings. [20:43] ChrisTownsend, but the keybindings still have an effect? [20:43] attente_: Yes [20:44] ChrisTownsend, apt-cache policy gnome-settings-daemon [20:45] attente_: Uh, I didn't notice, but I guess an update overwrote your g-s-d package I installed. 3.8.6.1-0ubuntu8 [20:45] ChrisTownsend, ah, ok [20:45] attente_: I only installed your package not using your PPA. [20:46] ChrisTownsend, i guess this is still only half the problem though [20:46] attente_: Right [20:47] ChrisTownsend, can you downgrade g-s-d, restart it, and then dbus-monitor member=AcceleratorActivated again? [20:47] attente_: Yeah, I'll try that. [20:49] attente_: Bah, it won't let me because the gnome-settings-daemon-schemas cannot be downgraded. [20:49] ooph. [20:49] ok, let me upload a new one [20:49] attente_: Ok [20:51] ChrisTownsend, ok, i think i see what happened. it must be the g-s-d fork [20:52] attente_: I think this new package is also when my g-s-d started to fail starting. [20:54] ChrisTownsend, ok, i'll have to apply the changes to unity-settings-daemon instead [20:54] ChrisTownsend, thanks for your help, i'll let you know when it's ready [20:58] attente_: Ok, np [21:41] ChrisTownsend, do you actually have unity-settings-daemon installed? [21:43] attente_: I didn't, but now I do. [21:45] ChrisTownsend, i can't seem to replicate the problem where your g-s-d isn't running, mine still runs and i don't have u-s-d installed [21:47] attente_: I honestly have no idea why it would not start. u-s-d starts up on session start though. [21:47] * ChrisTownsend Shrugs [21:47] ChrisTownsend, you manually installed u-s-d? [21:48] attente_: Yes [21:48] ChrisTownsend, ok, i'm not sure what the right course of action is here [21:48] robert_ancell, hey [21:48] attente_, hello [21:49] robert_ancell, is there an issue where g-s-d wouldn't start up in the unity session because of the fork? [21:49] attente_, did you manually install u-s-d? [21:49] robert_ancell, i didn't, but ChrisTownsend seemed to encounter that problem earlier [21:49] attente_, it was working for me, but it should be opt-in. xnox was playing around with the upstart config though [21:50] buh [21:50] the upstart changes went in [21:50] Right, I had latest g-s-d installed with no u-s-d installed and g-s-d would not start on session start up. I manually installed u-s-d and not u-s-d starts fine. [21:50] -start on started dbus and starting gnome-session [21:50] s/not/now [21:50] attente_: please do $ apt-cache policy libunity-core-6.0-8 gnome-settings-daemon unity-settings-daemon [21:51] +start on started dbus and starting gnome-session INSTANCE!=ubuntu [21:51] that is bad if we don't pull in u-s-d in some way [21:51] Laney: there is an override in libunity-core-6.0-8 to start gnome-settings-daemon, if there is no unity-settings-daemon, until unity-settings-daemon is pulled in by default. [21:52] attente_: and paste the output somewhere =) [21:52] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6911569/ [21:52] xnox, ^ [21:53] xnox, but this isn't my issue i guess, somehow ChrisTownsend got into that state [21:53] Ah, libunity-core-6.0-8 was uninstalled due to me installing libunity-core-6.0-9 from the Unity daily-build PPA. [21:54] ChrisTownsend: yeap, that would make things bad... [21:54] bah. ok. my fault, sorry ChrisTownsend! [21:54] robert_ancell: how far up the stack are we to make unity-settings-daemon the default? [21:54] man, that is weird [21:54] I'd have just waited before uploading it and done all the changes at once [21:54] Sorry guys for my Frankenstein system! [21:54] ChrisTownsend: attente_: sorry about that, I should make merge proposal into unity. [21:55] xnox, "far up the stack"? [21:55] Laney: that's what I wanted, that's why i had it blocked in -proposed. [21:55] Laney: but somehow we ended up thinking on friday that gnome-settings-daemon is good to be unblocked into release pocket.... [21:57] robert_ancell: there was a tracking bug to switch dependencies, wasn't there? [21:57] xnox, bug 1277487 [21:57] Launchpad bug 1277487 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "Create Unity Settings Daemon so can remain on old GNOME Settings Daemon version" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1277487 [21:57] right that. [22:04] robert_ancell: i guess we can seed unity-settings-daemon & gnome-settings-daemon. [22:04] actually seed unity-settings-deamon only and drop gnome-settings-daemon. [22:05] unity-s-d will pull in g-s-d-schemas and those remaining applications that depend on gnome-settings-daemon will pull it in, until we do all the uploads for s/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon-schemas/ [22:07] robert_ancell: yo! [22:07] kgunn, how's is going? [22:07] sure [22:22] tedg: how do i land https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/indicator-session/unity-settings-daemon/+merge/205421 ? it's all good to go. [22:24] xnox, thostr is the landing engineer for that project, so you'll have to ask him. [22:24] xnox, He'll have to get it into the silo request spreadsheet, and then... there's process. [22:30] tedg: what does a landing engineer means? why can't i be the lander of this branch? Surely anyone who can dput should be able to be the "landing" engineer. [22:30] xnox, One would think. [22:31] thostr, if you are in current working timezone and not on vacation and not otherwise swamped with high priority work, what needs to happen to land above branch into the archive? [22:31] tedg: i have this wonderful command called "dput" and it's a pretty good landing robot =) [22:32] xnox, It would be against the release process for me to recommend distro patching it and saving yourself a day's work. [22:39] hi tedg, how is the indicator stuff going? [22:43] xnox: I'm not sure I knew that the upstart stuff was in there [22:43] thought it was just the split [22:44] oh well [22:44] Laney: well, it was all of our changes as well -> that is: g-s-d start on !=ubuntu and u-s-d start on =ubuntu [22:44] trickery that we designed. [22:44] yeah I guess I got the wrong end of the stick [22:44] thought they would just be put into bzr [22:44] to be fair, if i didn't upload, i would have lost context about the "solution" by today =) [22:45] Laney: they were committed into version control, -proposed branch... using dput. =)))))))) that's my preferred version control system these days. [22:46] heh [22:46] ali1234, Eh, okay. Getting bogged down in non-code stuff, but I very much have fixing that on the TODO list. [22:47] tedg: we really need the fix for xubuntu, because we want to land gtk3 indicators this cycle, and currently our testers cannot test it [22:47] +1 [22:48] ali1234: is there something you need sponsoring? [22:48] ali1234: i am also indicator developer. [22:48] ali1234, I understand, sorry to take this long on it. [22:49] xnox: i have a MR that goes on top of the existing upstart indicator work [22:49] ali1234: link? [22:49]