[23:44] <belkinsa> Who is in charge of the community wiki?
[23:44] <pleia2> what specifically?
[23:44] <pleia2> Canonical IS runs the server and maintains the software, this team (and several of us who are admins) manage content
[23:45] <eagles0513875_> belkinsa:
[23:45] <eagles0513875_> hey
[23:45] <belkinsa> eagles0513875, is asking this in another channel and asked me to ask this.
[23:45] <eagles0513875_> belkinsa:  :)
[23:45] <eagles0513875_> im here now
[23:45] <belkinsa> [18:44] <pleia2> what specifically?
[23:45] <belkinsa> [18:44] <pleia2> Canonical IS runs the server and maintains the software, this team (and several of us who are admins) manage content
[23:45] <pleia2> belkinsa: wait, do you mean wiki.ubuntu.com ?
[23:45] <pleia2> or the community help wiki?
[23:45] <eagles0513875_> pleia2: the community documentation
[23:45] <eagles0513875_> ya
[23:45] <pleia2> ok
[23:46] <eagles0513875_> are you in charge of that team pleia2
[23:46] <pleia2> we don't have a leader
[23:46] <knome> eagles0513875_, maybe you should ask the real question...
[23:46] <eagles0513875_> knome: it was just asked
[23:46] <pleia2> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-doc-wiki-admins/+members
[23:46] <knome> eagles0513875_, eg. "i want to get page X deleted" or "i can't login"
[23:46] <belkinsa> eagles0513875_, [18:45] <phillw> community doc cannot, because of what it is, have a team leader.... any one can add / edit wiki entries... this is both its stregnth and weakness.
[23:46] <eagles0513875_> pleia2: are you referring to the official docs
[23:47] <pleia2> eagles0513875_: no, the official docs aren't a wiki
[23:47] <pleia2> official docs are static html exported from docbook
[23:47] <eagles0513875_> phillw: basically i think that the community wiki can have a team leader
[23:47] <pleia2> why?
[23:47] <eagles0513875_> one that ensures it stays spam free. things stay up to date
[23:47] <pleia2> our whole team does that
[23:47] <pleia2> one person can't :)
[23:47] <belkinsa> No, what we need is people to know what to do and such.
[23:48] <eagles0513875_> well i can setup a vm on my laptop but im having so many problems with my laptop and 13.10
[23:48] <eagles0513875_> im not sure if ill stay with kubuntu sadly :(
[23:48] <belkinsa> And of course, we need outside help for this: Wiki jams and developers telling what the changes are.
[23:48] <pleia2> the problem with keeping everything up to date isn't that we lack a leader, we all work hard on it but it's a big job so we do our best with the resources we have
[23:48] <phillw> that is why we have the tags.... I've asked many times for a group of people to update just one page.... No one has :/
[23:49] <eagles0513875_> phillw: if i had the time and not such a screwed up sleep pattern atm with this job i have
[23:49] <eagles0513875_> i would
[23:49] <pleia2> yep, we tag things, and hope people who are knowledgable in that area update them
[23:49] <knome> nobody can't really force anybody to do anything since it's a voluntary-driven project
[23:49] <phillw> indeed.
[23:49] <belkinsa> Sigh.
[23:49] <eagles0513875_> well ill take a look through the documentation
[23:49] <eagles0513875_> community wiki and see what i can try out
[23:50] <knome> i don't understand the problem, or the frustration
[23:50] <belkinsa> I shouldn't of started this.
[23:50] <pleia2> great, thanks for your help
[23:50] <eagles0513875_> belkinsa: you are doign a good job
[23:50] <belkinsa> It's my fault.
[23:50] <eagles0513875_> belkinsa: no if anything its mine
[23:51] <belkinsa> Maybe the idea of Wiki Jams should be brought up again in the List...
[23:51] <eagles0513875_> ya i agree
[23:52] <eagles0513875_> and what happened to all the community documentation in terms of software :(
[23:52] <pleia2> anyone is welcome to organize one
[23:52] <eagles0513875_> there was a hell of alot more previously
[23:52] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam is on Friday, 4 April 2014 17:00 to Sunday, 6 April 2014
[23:52] <eagles0513875_> i can contribute greatly with how to's
[23:52] <eagles0513875_> there is tons missing
[23:52] <pleia2> can review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Docs and see what needs updating
[23:52] <belkinsa> I will think about it.
[23:53] <belkinsa> I have work to do.
[23:53] <pleia2> unfortunately that jam is too late for official docs to be worked on, but wiki docs always can :)
[23:53] <knome> eagles0513875_, you can start now, no need for a specific sprint
[23:53] <eagles0513875_> pleia2:  belkinsa  is it possible if you are the author of a page to be notified of changes and basiaclly become the dedicated maintainer of that page
[23:53] <eagles0513875_> knome: i know but im at work and i dont have my laptop to test on
[23:53] <knome> eagles0513875_, you can subscribe to pages
[23:53] <belkinsa> That would be nice, eagles0513875_ .
[23:53] <knome> eagles0513875_, but you can't "own" a page
[23:53] <eagles0513875_> knome: :) nice
[23:54] <eagles0513875_> :) i have some very simple how to's on my old site which are concise and to the point :) such as for git and various aspects of git :)
[23:54] <eagles0513875_> and other things which would be beneficial there :)
[23:54] <eagles0513875_> i have lots of ideas
[23:55] <knome> eagles0513875_, re: "start now", i don't mean now-now. just that you can start any time, and edit any page which you can improve
[23:55] <knome> there is no restrictions
[23:55] <eagles0513875_> :)
[23:55] <knome> you don't need a permission to work on something
[23:55] <eagles0513875_> knome: is the documentation something that will be updated constantly
[23:55] <eagles0513875_> i know just motivation for writing wiki's
[23:55] <knome> eagles0513875_, what are you referring to with "documentation" ?
[23:56] <knome> the official documentation, or the community help wiki?
[23:56] <eagles0513875_> i mean wiki
[23:56] <eagles0513875_> sorry
[23:56] <knome> it's updated as we go
[23:56] <knome> it isn't tied to any release schedule
[23:56] <eagles0513875_> good :)
[23:56] <knome> people add information as they find something new that's useful
[23:56] <knome> or when they have time to extend the pages
[23:57] <eagles0513875_> :)
[23:57] <belkinsa> It possible to do a Wiki Jam during Jam Week?
[23:57] <knome> belkinsa, sure.
[23:57] <pleia2> belkinsa: yes, that's when you do jams :)
[23:57] <belkinsa> Alright, I just got an idea.
[23:58] <pleia2> if you look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam there are lots of things people can jam on
[23:58] <belkinsa> I have
[23:58] <pleia2> Bugs, Testing, Documentation...
[23:58]  * pleia2 nods
[23:58] <knome> eagles0513875_, also, re: being a "maintainer" for a page... feel free to make sure any page is up-to-date
[23:58] <eagles0513875_> :)
[23:58] <pleia2> we sometimes also do dedicated days where we all work on the same thing, but we tend to call those "sprints"
[23:58] <knome> eagles0513875_, just note that others can, and will, edit the pages
[23:58] <pleia2> since "jams" are a specific thing that happen once per cycle, community and world-wide
[23:59] <eagles0513875_> knome: no problem :)
[23:59] <eagles0513875_> but if the content is good i dont see if there would need to be any chances