=== doko_ is now known as doko === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia [14:56] I'll here about 5 past, so a bit late [15:00] !dmb-ping [15:00] bdrung, ScottK, Laney, micahg, barry, tumbleweed, stgraber: DMB ping [15:02] * stgraber waves [15:02] o/ [15:03] agenda says barry to chair [15:03] hi [15:03] hi [15:03] alternatively bdrung alternatively alternatively me [15:04] no, still ScottK to chair [15:04] Laney: ScottK i think, unless he's not here [15:04] Upcoming: Barry, Benjamin, Iain, Micah, Scott, Stéphane, Stefano, wrap is lies? [15:05] Next DMB meetings (Chair: Scott): [15:05] since tumbleweed chaired the last one [15:05] oh man, I never look at that [15:05] but i'm having system problems this morning so it might be best if i don't chair anyway [15:05] ScottK has missed his turn to chair for a while, so he's creeping up the list again [15:05] okay, let me do it [15:06] #startmeeting DMB [15:06] Meeting started Mon Feb 10 15:06:04 2014 UTC. The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:06] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB Meeting | Current topic: [15:06] #topic Review of previous action items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB Meeting | Current topic: Review of previous action items [15:06] Laney: thanks [15:06] #subtopic micahg to update documentation on PPU team restructuring. [15:06] micahg_mobile: ? [15:07] let's come back to that ... [15:07] #subtopic Add upload rights for pocock and hyperair [15:07] stgraber: you happy to do that? [15:08] ¬_¬ [15:08] stop playing portal! [15:08] Laney: sure [15:09] thanks [15:09] #action stgraber to add upload rights for pocock and hyperair [15:09] ACTION: stgraber to add upload rights for pocock and hyperair [15:09] #topic MOTU Application - Artur Rona === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB Meeting | Current topic: MOTU Application - Artur Rona [15:09] ari-tczew: hi, could you introduce yourself please [15:10] sure. My name is Artur, nickname ari-tczew, I was MOTU already and I'd like to rejoin again [15:10] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArturRona/MOTUApplicationNEW [15:11] are there specific areas you focus on / would like to focus on? [15:11] sorry, i am busy [15:11] yes, I'd like to focus on reducing delta between Debian and Ubuntu [15:11] so, merges, syncs, forwarding changes, etc. [15:12] yay [15:12] in any specific area? do you have any commit / upload access in Debian or do you intend on getting that? [15:13] no, i don't. I have already uploaded a few packages als NMU in Debian. http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=ari-tczew@tlen.pl [15:14] anyway, I'm writing a submit@debian.org if changes are forwardable, then I hope maintainer will upload Ubuntu changes [15:14] good, that's what we like to see [15:15] @bugs.debian.org, hopefully :P [15:15] Laney: Error: "bugs.debian.org," is not a valid command. [15:15] * Laney slaps [15:15] ari-tczew: i often see changes made in ubuntu packages which should probably be upstreamed in debian. but ubuntu devs don't always have the knowledge or permission to upload to debian. i'd like to see steps taken to help make debian the first stop for patches when possible [15:15] yes, I write direct from my head :P [15:15] so, since you've been out for a while - do you remember how the second half of the cycle works? [15:17] barry: ok, like above - if changes are forwardable, I'm sending them to maintainers [15:17] Laney: I think so. [15:19] ari-tczew: hi. so, let's talk about the things you like least in ubuntu [15:19] maybe you could expand on that a little bit :P [15:19] do you think we can improve sponsorship? [15:20] tumbleweed: yes, we can! [15:20] how? [15:22] tumbleweed: so, I think we need to keep a small size of sponsoring overview and don't keep requests hanging on since a few months or more. [15:23] that's the result, but how do we get there? [15:23] if requests is related to main section, MOTUs can review them, as well. although, from packaging knowledge. [15:23] if requests are* [15:24] ari-tczew: we have patch piloting, which is supposed to help keep queue small. in my experience though, it can sometimes be tough to consume a lot of items during a pp session. if one merge/patch takes a long time to verify, it can eat up a lot of time. can we improve the patch pilot program to help with big queues? [15:25] we can help contributors to get patches uploaded, if someone is fresh, we don't need to write "please update your d/changelog, there's no * in line X", we can make it done themselve and upload patch/debdiff [15:25] we still get hard sponsorships being ignored :( [15:25] Laney: yep [15:26] doesn't look awful in that respect currently though [15:26] ari-tczew: you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce? [15:27] barry: I have noticed that patch pilots make in the first queue syncs, merges, what are comparatively easy as SRUs or requests hanging on since 2 months [15:28] barry: so, maybe patch pilots will make in the first shot the old requests [15:28] tumbleweed: yes, I am [15:29] imo it's a bit focused on sponsoring and not so much on piloting as was the original mission [15:29] ari-tczew: yes, that's been my experience and observation too. it's a trade-off between trying to get a lot of easy things done, or just a couple of hard things. any thoughts on how to make the process (either sru or patch piloting) easier to take on the hard tasks? [15:29] which was to try and help patches along even if you don't upload them [15:30] let's vote after this reply so that we have time for zequence, unless anyone has anything burning [15:31] barry: I think just patch pilots should take care of the most forgotten requests (last is 2013-05-14). if sponsoring overview is clear, then can we think about another ideas [15:31] so: just take the work in hands [15:32] thanks, now to the voting chamber [15:32] * Laney enrobes [15:32] ari-tczew: i'm skeptical the queue will ever be clear ;) but anyway [15:32] #vote Should ari-tczew join ~motu? [15:32] Please vote on: Should ari-tczew join ~motu? [15:32] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [15:32] +1 [15:32] +1 received from Laney [15:33] +1 [15:33] +1 received from barry [15:33] +1 [ welcome back ] [15:33] +1 [ welcome back ] received from tumbleweed [15:34] +1 [15:34] +1 received from micahg_mobile [15:34] +1 [15:34] +1 received from stgraber [15:34] bdrung_work: here? [15:35] #endvote [15:35] Voting ended on: Should ari-tczew join ~motu? [15:35] Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [15:35] Motion carried [15:35] ari-tczew: welcome back! [15:36] ari-tczew: congrats! [15:36] Thank you for your trust. [15:36] #topic Per Package Uploader Application - zequence === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB Meeting | Current topic: Per Package Uploader Application - zequence [15:36] hi zequence, please could you briefly introduce yourself [15:37] Hi. I'm the project lead for Ubuntu Studio, musician first, coder/packager second, so to speak [15:37] I've been involved in Ubuntu Studio development for a few years now. Maybe 3-4 [15:37] Not so much packagin though, until the last year or so [15:38] I was hoping that micahg_mobile would show up, as he's done most of the sponsoring :) [15:38] I'm here [15:38] I'm applying for upload rights for the ubuntustudio-* packages at this point, but will like to extend to the whole Ubuntu Studio package set in the future [15:39] zequence: hi. i'm only seeing one endorsement on your application, but you've worked extensively with many members of ubuntu. did you ask any of them to add endorsements to your page? [15:39] Aside from doing only a small amount of changes myself to ubuntustudio-* packages, I've fixed a couple of bugs, and been maintaining linux-lowlatency now for a good while [15:40] Well, I've asked a few, but none have written anything on the page [15:40] diwic and dholbach both were involved in a couple of bugs I had fixed [15:40] They might not even remember [15:41] apw and infinity have both been involved in linux-lowlatency, but I'm not doing anything complicated there [15:41] I do, vaguely :) [15:41] Cool :) [15:42] The studio packages are fairly simple to maintain. Most of the work is just in updating our meta package, and our default settings [15:42] We have a couple of our own projects too, -installer and -controls (which I'm rewriting from scratch atm) [15:43] I know my way around a debian package, but I haven't had extensive practical experience from diverse packaging and getting stuff sponsored [15:44] Zequence: do you review the diff of the VCS versions before requesting sponsorship to ensure that everything in there is good? [15:45] micahg_mobile: So far, I havent't packaged anything that is an update of something upstream [15:46] We are the upstream for our own packages, and in the case with the bugs, I just added patches consisting of the particular code that fixed the bugs [15:46] No,I'm referring to packages maintained in a VCS like ubuntustudio-default-settings [15:47] micahg_mobile: If I am to upload a package, then I will of course make sure what changed was something useful. [15:50] Can i direct you to version 0.48 of ubuntustudio-default-settings, please take a look at the diff, do you notice anything out of the ordinary? [15:50] (Sorry, can't give a link from here easily) [15:51] just a moment.. [15:51] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/150692403/ubuntustudio-default-settings_0.47_0.48.diff.gz [15:52] Thanks Laney [15:55] I think we need to speed this along a bit; time is almost up [15:55] Yeah, looks like change itself for the wallpaper doesn't show [15:55] I think micahg_mobile is trying to get at the fact that this postinst performs a rm -f on a file which the package doesn't own [15:56] which isn't really going to work properly, like if the user ever reinstalls the owning package or if it is SRUed [15:56] that wasn't a change /introduced/ in this version, but it certainly raises some flags to me when I see this diff [15:56] I haven't followed Lens changes a lot [15:57] ideally that would be looked at [15:57] does anybody else have any questions [15:58] (since I haven't been the one uploading them, or reviewing them) [15:58] ? [15:58] I think it's just something that came up in course of reviewing your stuff :-) [15:59] zequence: looks like linux-lowlatency got absorbed into the main kernel [15:59] I guess that's nice for you :-) [15:59] okay, let's vote [16:00] #vote Should zequence get upload rights to the packges listed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/zequence/DeveloperApplication ? [16:00] Please vote on: Should zequence get upload rights to the packges listed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/zequence/DeveloperApplication ? [16:00] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [16:00] too difficult to copy and paste that into a nice list :P [16:00] also, that lowlatency thing is noted there I see now [16:00] +1 [16:00] +1 received from Laney [16:01] +0 [ would like to see more endorsements from folks you've worked with ] [16:01] +0 [ would like to see more endorsements from folks you've worked with ] received from barry [16:01] -1 [ that ubuntustudio-default-settings postinst doesn't inspire me with any confidence. And I'd like to see at least one endorsement from a sponsor ] [16:01] -1 [ that ubuntustudio-default-settings postinst doesn't inspire me with any confidence. And I'd like to see at least one endorsement from a sponsor ] received from tumbleweed [16:02] +0 [ would like to see some endorsements ] [16:02] +0 [ would like to see some endorsements ] received from stgraber [16:02] +0 i would like to see an endorsement from a lowlatency sponsor [16:02] +0 i would like to see an endorsement from a lowlatency sponsor received from micahg_mobile [16:03] Oh, is that not on the application anymore? [16:03] nope [16:03] No, linux-lowlatency is now merged with master :) [16:04] I still maintain the config diff [16:04] which is as trivial as it has always been [16:04] But, I don't deal with the source [16:04] given the long involvement with that, I'm not so concerned about it, anyway. It's more general debian packaging that I'm worried about [16:05] (with that == the kernel bits) [16:06] +0, a concerned with the postinst [16:06] +0, a concerned with the postinst received from micahg_mobile [16:06] okay [16:06] Who uploaded that? [16:07] #endvote [16:07] Voting ended on: Should zequence get upload rights to the packges listed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/zequence/DeveloperApplication ? [16:07] Votes for:1 Votes against:1 Abstentions:3 [16:07] Deadlock, casting vote may be used [16:07] wtf [16:07] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-default-settings/0.48 [16:07] So, I'm sorry that this wasn't successful right now [16:08] would people be happy to have a quick email vote if some endorsements come around? or back to IRC again? [16:08] Ah, sorry dholbach. I should have looked into that change a bit more carefully :) [16:08] or an IRC vote without this whole interview thing? [16:08] zequence: please do solicit those endorsements. i'd be happy enough to take it to email. [16:09] zequence, sorry I didn't follow the meeting and am in a phone call right now [16:09] dholbach: No problem. [16:09] *take a follow up vote on zequence's application to email [16:09] okay [16:10] zequence: if you can get two or three endorsements and then email devel-permissions I'll try to make sure we re-vote [16:10] Assume you don't need to attend any meeting unless we tell you otherwise [16:10] I think in this situation what I need to is get sponsors for the coming uploads of ubuntustudio-* packages before this release, and then apply again [16:11] Also, go through all the packages for faults, like what was just described [16:11] yeah, that'd work [16:11] Thanks everyone [16:11] * Laney hugs zequence [16:11] thanks! [16:11] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB Meeting | Current topic: AOB [16:12] Zequence: that would be great, you're doing great work [16:12] micahg_mobile: Thanks [16:12] so, micahg_mobile has promised to start a vote on Noskcaj [16:12] please do that asap [16:12] #action micahg_mobile to start a vote on Noskcaj on devel-permissions [16:12] ACTION: micahg_mobile to start a vote on Noskcaj on devel-permissions [16:12] Ok [16:13] anything else? [16:13] Oh, I started looking at the packageset script and it threw up some odd things [16:13] like adding sbuild to kubuntu [16:13] need to see what's going on there, then we can start running it regularly / automatically [16:14] going [16:14] going [16:15] gone [16:15] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [16:15] Meeting ended Mon Feb 10 16:15:15 2014 UTC. [16:15] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-02-10-15.06.moin.txt [16:15] thanks Laney ! [16:15] np [16:16] Thanks Laney [16:17] is the meetin bot's output okay for everyone? [16:36] \o [16:36] hello! [16:37] o/ [16:37] hi! [16:37] #startmeeting [16:37] Meeting started Mon Feb 10 16:37:20 2014 UTC. The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [16:37] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [16:37] * sbeattie waves [16:37] The meeting agenda can be found at: [16:37] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting [16:37] [TOPIC] Announcements === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Announcements [16:37] Thanks to Felix Geyer (debfx) provided debdiffs for Precise, Raring, Saucy for libotr, libotr2 (LP: #1266016). Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :) [16:37] Launchpad bug 1266016 in libotr2 (Ubuntu Saucy) "Disable insecure OTRv1 protocol" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1266016 [16:38] [TOPIC] Review of any previous action items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Review of any previous action items [16:38] [ACTION] chrisccoulson to benchmark oxide and qtwebkit [16:38] ACTION: chrisccoulson to benchmark oxide and qtwebkit [16:38] chrisccoulson: I think we are in a position now where that can happen this week? [16:39] chrisccoulson: all I'm looking for is on mako, opening the few testsuites in both oxide and qtwebkit and putting the results somewhere [16:40] chrisccoulson: I think we would wnat a non-debug build [16:42] chrisccoulson: WAKE UP ^G^G^G^G^G [16:42] ok, I'll swing back [16:43] [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly stand-up report [16:43] I'll go first [16:43] I'm on triage this week [16:43] I have some pending updates I am working on [16:43] oh, sorry, i'm here now ;) [16:44] I have an incredible amount of followups from the sprint and other things that accumulated during the sprint [16:44] I hope to tie up several work items too [16:45] that's it for me [16:45] mdeslaur: you're up [16:45] I'm on community this week [16:45] I'm currently testing some libgadu updates I should be pushing out in a few miutes [16:46] and will continue going down the CVE list, as usual [16:46] that's about it from me [16:46] sbeattie: you're up [16:46] I'm focused on apparmor work again this week. [16:46] I'll be concentrating on the apparmor testing work items in support of jjohansen's work on IPC. [16:47] I also accumulated a couple of other tasks from the sprint around apparmor and will take care of those. [16:47] That's pretty much it for me. tyhicks? [16:47] I was able to wrap up several nagging work items during the sprint last week [16:48] so now my priorities for this week are: [16:48] Submitting some kdbus patches upstream [16:48] Submitting our dbus-daemon mediation patches upstream [16:48] cool [16:49] and, to a much lesser extent, testing a bug fix to precise's audit package and getting a test-audit.py in place [16:49] that's it for me [16:49] jjohansen: you're up [16:49] (the bug fix is for LP: #1158500) [16:49] Launchpad bug 1158500 in audit (Ubuntu) "auditd fails to add rules when used in precise with -lts-quantal kernel" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1158500 [16:50] I'm working on apparmor this week. I've got a ppa upload to get out, and then some more ipc and stacking bugs to fix [16:50] oh and I should try drowning the list in patches too, I suppose [16:51] that is it for me, sarnold your up [16:53] I'm in happy place this week, I've got an nginx mir to finish, a security update to prepare, test, and release, and finish testing the patches from the ubuntu apparmor packaging when pushed into the upstream apparmor trunk [16:54] \o/ nginx in main [16:54] sarnold: any blockers so far? [16:54] mdeslaur: no, it's depressingly good code :) there's nearly nothing to complain about. I did find one funny cute little bug, but it is in code that we don't build and wouldn't have any real security impact anyway [16:55] sarnold: awesome! [16:55] sarnold: in the past, the blocker was their release process. can you spend a few minutes looking at that and commenting in the bug. it may be all fine now (this was years ago) [16:55] mdeslaur: they wrote their own printf-style family of printing routines, which is pretty awesome, it's good stuff, but they missed a parameter in a printf -- and since they never caught it, I figure they need to use some gcc attributes to try to catch those -- if they can [16:56] sarnold: (well, we never looked at it in depth cause of the release process) [16:56] sarnold: I think someone already commented in the bug on that, but it would be nice for us to verify the claim [16:56] the one I found is nothing impressive, but there might be some I haven't spotted that might be more trouble. [16:57] jdstrand: yeah, I can spend some time working on that. I'm so far liking that they've got a branch for stable updates and a branch for development testing. I -hope- that they intend to support their stable branch for a while, it'd be nice if it isn't replaced immediately.. [17:00] Oh yes, the administrivia from the sprint trip :) I knew I forgot somethng. [17:00] anyway, that's me covered, chrisccoulson you're up if you're here :) [17:00] i am [17:01] this week, i'll be getting firefox and thunderbird out [17:01] and then working on the last couple of things to make oxide actually usable on the device (touch events and pinch to zoom) [17:01] oxide works on maguro btw ;) [17:02] that's me done :) [17:02] chrisccoulson: did you see my questions above? [17:02] jdstrand, yeah, i think we'll be able to do that [17:03] chrisccoulson: should that be done via a non-debug ppa build? [17:03] chrisccoulson: nice :D [17:03] yeah, i think so [17:03] chrisccoulson: or would you just do that locally? [17:04] i'll do another PPA build [17:04] chrisccoulson: the urls are in the index.html page of that click pacakge I gave you. I can give them to you again if you want (and you can decide which are appropriate) [17:04] chrisccoulson: cool, thanks [17:06] chrisccoulson: as for the email-- maybe just upload the results to people.c.c and then give the link and a brief summary> "oxide rocks and can do more than qtwebkit" or similar. ie, don't spend a lot of time analyzing and formatting a great benchmarks email [17:06] chrisccoulson: (obviously, if there are problems, we should file bugs, etc) [17:06] anyhoo [17:06] cool [17:06] I guess its back to me then [17:06] [TOPIC] Highlighted packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Highlighted packages [17:06] The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. [17:06] See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved. [17:06] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/opensaml2.html [17:06] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/restlet.html [17:06] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/linkchecker.html [17:06] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/prewikka.html [17:07] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/mpop.html [17:07] [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Miscellaneous and Questions [17:07] Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss? [17:22] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [17:22] Meeting ended Mon Feb 10 17:22:29 2014 UTC. [17:22] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-02-10-16.37.moin.txt [17:22] mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: thanks! [17:22] thanks jdstrand! [17:22] thanks jdstrand [17:23] thanks [17:23] jdstrand: thanks! === lhave is now known as lhavelund === sc__ is now known as sbc