[00:14] hey [00:28] \o [00:37] pip pip [00:38] good flight sir? [00:39] yeah. need to sleep now [01:06] :> [07:06] morning all [07:49] cup of tea someone? [07:49] please? [07:50] yes please [07:50] MooDoo: I wasnt offering, I was begging! :P [07:50] pah! [08:00] toast with cheese and vegemite, breakfaast of champions :D [08:05] morning all [08:08] morning MartijnVdS [08:09] my GPS + NTP raspberry pi thingy works \o/ [08:09] yay, i didn't even play with my Pi at the weekend, it's still in it's box :S [08:09] o127.127.20.0 .GPS. 0 l 2 8 377 0.000 0.001 0.001 [08:11] now I have to order a second Pi to run collectd all over my network (printer, router, NTP server, ...) [08:39] jussi: Vegemite? Have you moved to Australia [08:40] DJones: I AM an aussie... [08:40] a lucky one to have vegemite here in finland :D [08:41] Heh, I've two jars in the cupboard, trouble is there's only me that eats it at home, jars last forever [08:42] clearly not putting enough on your toast ☻ [08:43] DJones: i have similar issues... :D [08:43] :) [08:43] I made some bread rolls last night.. yeast was off so they're somewhat rock-like [08:43] mind you, it does last forever.. [08:43] DJones: one thing though - learn to use it as a salt replacement in soups... [08:43] and other savoury dishes [08:43] works really well [08:44] Thats an interesting idea [08:44] I can understand it though [08:45] also, put on roast potatoes [08:45] popey: Before or after cooking [08:45] or in mashed pumpkin :D [08:45] eww, don't like pumpkin [08:46] I'm sure these marmite recipes will work with vegemite too -> http://tinyurl.com/ppwfwkn [08:46] (I have that book) [08:46] popey: looks good [08:46] there is also a little book linked on that page which is neat [08:47] INteresting idea, might try that [08:47] got it as a stocking filler [08:48] Vegemite is no where near as strong as Marmite. [08:49] We had some mates who went back to Aus and left us a jar. Wasn't imporessed at all. You need to put *LOADS* on a bit of toast. [08:49] have we discussed debian going systemd yet? [08:51] SuperMatt: yes, last night :) [08:51] what did everyone think? [08:51] Oh - Who won? [08:53] not exactly clear yet ☻ [08:54] AlanBell: did you mention something about your keyboard going US layout ? [08:54] I'm still against binary logs! [08:54] mine has done it [08:54] popey: That was me I think. [08:54] Did it a few weeks ago. [08:55] SuperMatt: I still haven't seen convincing arguments to switch, other than the "IT'S BETTAR!!!!111" fanboy brigade [08:58] Morning all [08:58] popey: Mine did it a few weeks ago as well [09:15] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856164010 [09:15] *boggle* [09:15] pc with built in projector [09:15] won't that become very hot very fast? [09:15] probably a little LED jobbie, so not so much [09:15] or have there been improvements in projector land? :) [09:16] nice if you want a single box integrated media pc and display [09:16] it does look cool [09:20] aloha [09:20] popey: looks nice for a meeting room solution [09:28] the epson projectors i used to work with had built in PCs [09:29] popey: yeah, it did flip to US layout a bit, but an update/reboot fixed it, I also lost chromium theme for a bit at the same time [09:30] and yeah, that is an interesting little PC/projector, not sure I want one, but I can see that it is potentially useful === JamesTait is now known as Guest48233 === Guest48233 is now known as JamesTait [09:33] http://img.publish.it168.com/2004/0115/images/116583.jpg [09:33] ali1234: that's *huge* beast compared to that new one though [09:33] yes it is [09:34] they were damn heavy [09:34] Good morning all; happy Clean Out Your Computer Day! :-D [09:34] * MartijnVdS runs some rm -rf commands for JamesTait [09:34] they were incredibly bright though [09:34] Thanks, MartijnVdS. :) [09:34] also they cost like £20000 [09:34] Wait, where did all my code go? [09:34] just a replacement lamp cost more than the new thing [09:35] * JamesTait hugs launchpad [09:49] morning [09:50] morning bashrc [09:53] JamesTait: BOFH style -- "Well, let's see, you have 4 Meg available." [09:54] :D [09:56] Question from someone I know in the UK: "Anyone with car insurance in the UK... What's an average price? I think in getting hosed because of my US drivers license." [09:57] I don't have insurance in the UK, but .. I expect they are. and probably should be. [09:58] shauno: still, there's "a bit more" and "twice as much" [09:59] maybe, maybe not. worth noting that inexperienced american drivers are dangerous. every single guest I've had from the states who's rented a car has been side-swiped because they looked the wrong way before pulling forward [09:59] so they genuinely are a high-risk for insurers [09:59] shauno: she's lived there for several years now [10:00] then they shouldn't be on a US licence, that's only kosher for the first year [10:00] I have no idea then [10:01] that's going to be the big catch - if they're on a US licence, they'll be treated as a visitor because they shouldn't be using it if they're resident [10:02] of course, I'll defer to anyone who can actually answer your question, just .. things I learnt from marrying a yank ;) [10:03] yeah, you need a local license [10:04] http://gov.uk/driving-nongb-licence is fairly straight-forward [10:04] thanks :) I'll pass the knowledge on [10:04] MartijnVdS: I've paid £450 for car insurance, but now I'm older it seems to be about £250 a year. [10:05] dwatkins: wow.. I'm on €220-ish [10:06] * MartijnVdS must be very old :( [10:06] nah, you don't live in an expensive country ;) [10:06] I'm also in a city, I park my car at the side of the road as I have no garage etc. [10:07] I paid ~1500€ when I was in ireland... even with full 70% discount [10:07] crazy expensive there [10:07] What did you drive, jussi - a Ferrari? ;) [10:07] dwatkins: a polo! [10:07] * dwatkins has a 1998 Peugeot 306 (diesel) [10:07] wow, jussi - that's insane [10:08] yep [10:09] * MartijnVdS has a '02 Smart [10:10] a polo is a high risk car [10:10] just asked the chap next to me, e540/yr including his wife who's a new driver [10:11] how come a Polo is more high risk than a Peugeot 306? [10:11] dwatkins: the type of drivers it attracts [10:11] dwatkins, polo is popular amongst bad drivers === JamesTait is now known as Guest282 [10:11] and no-one wants to steal a french car ;) [10:11] it's not about your car, it's about the driver - but some cars are driven by different types of driver than others [10:11] I thought that was BMWs ;) [10:12] dwatkins: Audis [10:12] dwatkins, polo is a new learner car [10:12] Don't get me started on insanely tall/large cars being used by people who could just as effectively have a mini to take the kids to school in ;) [10:12] stats show polos have more accidents than other comparable cars, as a result [10:12] see also corsa @ 500 [10:12] & [10:13] I was also thinking of rht Ford Fiesta... [10:13] *the [10:13] bsm use fiat 500 now [10:14] dwatkins: i take my kids to school in a V70, should I have a smaller car? [10:14] popey: Volvos are large for a reason, that's fine. [10:14] missed point I think ☻ [10:14] also, a different kind of large [10:14] i use my volvo because it's my only car [10:15] I'm not about to replace my large car with a small car [10:15] is the v70 the SUV they advertised on the basis of product placement in twilight? [10:15] because then I can't fit suitcases in it when we go on holiday [10:15] or I can't fit xmas tree in it, or other crap I take to the dump [10:15] I'm thinking of the SUV-style cars which seem to be big just so people can look over the traffic, and are normally spotless. [10:15] good morning boys and girls. [10:15] same deal [10:15] hiya brobostigon [10:15] I'd love an SUV if I had the money for fuel [10:15] because it's comfy, nice ride height for safe driving.. fit luggage in.. etc [10:15] hi dwatkins [10:16] i have a personal rule - "new car gets better mileage than old car" [10:16] yeah, that's part of my problem with them, popey - also, that I can't see over/through them when I'm driving behind, and that as a cyclist, I suspect they can't see me so easily. [10:16] as in I have issues with the amount of fuel they use, being so large. [10:16] I still <3 minis. I don't worry so much about not being able to fit suitcases in them, they can't fly far enough [10:16] right [10:16] even if the new car is a mclaren p1, a hybrid, and a supercar. lol. [10:16] but your argument was "that person should have a different car because of the one use case I've seen them use it for" [10:17] which is misguided, people use cars for different things (non shocker) [10:17] fair enough, I'm thinking of the kinds of people who have a "Chelsea tractor" (i.e. 4x4) and only use it to take the kids to school, not as an actual 4x4. [10:18] right, but again you're assuming [10:18] people do that a lot. [10:18] true, it's also annoying not being able to see through them, much like with vans. [10:18] I just can't see a reason for having an SUV, I guess. [10:19] kids asked for a pocket minecraft server [10:19] you haven't seen irish roads, then [10:19] didnt realise such a thing existed [10:19] When I was little, we had a Volvo 140, it was plenty big enough to take the 5 of us on holiday (tents and all) and I suspect it has less room than an SUV. [10:19] yes, PE can run in server mode. [10:19] when I was little we had a hoop and stick [10:19] etc [10:19] (is what you sound like) [10:19] shauno: I've driven from Dublin to Limerick, if someone lived out on the West coast, I'm sure an SUV would be warranted. [10:20] well, a 4x4 [10:20] i had maccano popey [10:20] popey: haha [10:20] dwatkins: I can see the west coast from my window ;) [10:20] I can see grey sky from mine [10:20] lovely, shauno - I stayed in a place with a huge window, you could see a fantastic valley [10:20] I can see the Edinburgh bypass. [10:21] i saw a snow storm on my MC server the other day, didnt know it could do that. === Guest282 is now known as JamesTait [10:21] pocket minecraft server seems to build its own php [10:21] brobostigon: have you seen the game "Banished" which is due out on the 18th? That looks ace. [10:21] dwatkins: i havent, no. [10:22] popey: i do know pocketmine, a Mc pe server built in php. [10:23] dwatkins: whats the webpage? [10:24] windows only, oh well, [10:24] brobostigon: http://www.shiningrocksoftware.com/ [10:25] I think there will be a Linux version eventually [11:01] I had those two plastic balls on strings that you clacked together and broke your wrists with. They were great! [11:04] So, what do people use such big cars for generally? [11:04] I have a V70 [11:04] That doesn't look so big, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/1st_Volvo_V70.jpg [11:04] I use it to drive myself places (like the office). My wife uses it once or twice a year to take the kids camping. [11:05] It's one of the biggest estates you can get. [11:05] I'm referring to very tall cars like this: http://www.newcarwallpaper.com/BMW_SUV_X5_3423.html [11:05] I'm pretty sure I can see through a V70 if I'm behind it in traffic, but I can't see through a BMW SUV. [11:06] Personally I have no need for a 4x4 and I don't really like them much. Pig ugly, drink fuel, and tend to kill pedestrians more then normal cars. [11:06] I don't know about the accident figures, but the rest of your comment sums-up how I feel about SUVs in general. [11:06] If I lived where I needed one then I'd have one, but I don't. [11:07] yeah, if I lived up in the Pentlands, I'd probably have a RAV4 or something, as I'd need it. Most of the SUVs which I see around Edinburgh don't have a speck of dirt on them. Granted, as popey points-out, I'm making assumptions here. [11:08] We have loads in Farnham. Mostly driven by wives doing the school run it seems to me. [11:08] I suspect that's where the name 'Chelsea Tractor' comes from, that scenario. [11:08] Yes it is. [11:08] friend of mine drops kids off in one, but thats their only car [11:08] he works in london [11:08] so goes on the train [11:09] Morning all [11:09] popey: you happy to be back in the real timezone? [11:10] ya! [11:25] I cycle when I can, but I know I'm lucky that it's even an option for me. [11:25] TheOpenSourcerer: a V70 would be my car of choice when I have slightly more money. As it is, we drive a little BMW 116 [11:25] i walk ☻ [11:25] down ths stairs [11:26] The V70 is a decent car but mine does drink petrol... 2.4l Turbo Petrol. :-( [11:26] hello again all [11:26] popey: Liar! you fall, like the emergency caller in "The IT crowd" emergency number episode :D [11:26] TheOpenSourcerer: the 2.4 diesel is an excellent engine [11:26] jussi: "but i'm disabled" ;) [11:27] * jussi offers MooDoo a cup of tea [11:27] * MooDoo takes it with thanks [11:28] jussi: I'm sure it is. But we actually don't do that many miles - most journeys are local and short. I heard that diesels don't like that kind of use profile very much. [11:29] TheOpenSourcerer: true that - most of our journeys are >40km so I would really like to own a diesel... [11:32] I assume diesel is still cheaper per mile, despite being slightly more expensive per litre than petrol now. === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia [11:34] [for a given size of car, say a Peugeot 306 petrol vs diesel] [11:36] dwatkins: its actually about 10 -15 euro cents cheaper per litre here [11:36] dwatkins: but yes, you are correct [11:36] as it was when I bought this car, which runs on diesel. [11:36] I get about 550 miles out of a tank, 15p a mile, iirc. [11:49] dwatkins: it's more expensive because it is used most [11:51] i just lost my 50+ open chrome tabs. is there a way to recover them? [11:52] except going through my history [11:54] dwatkins: Lorries 250litres per tank normally 2 tanks, Vans 80-120 litres, Landrover/jaguar 50+ litres and then a lot of normal cars moved over to diesel when people realised it was cheaper at which point the price went rocketing [11:54] foobarry: don't think there is to be honest, someone said on a site I have found (on one occasion) that on opening a new tab, at the bottom, there's the option to reopen recently closed tabs and in this list has been something like "17 tabs" i.e. all those that were open previously. However, this wasn't in the list the last time. [11:58] almost feels like i lost data [11:58] :( [11:58] cry for 10 mins then move on lol [11:58] i only really reboot when i have to move desks [12:02] foobarry: you dont have the thing MooDoo mentions ? [12:07] no [12:08] said there was a problem siginng into my profile [12:08] so i restarted and the tabs went away [12:08] so i cired [12:08] cried [12:08] i'm moving on [12:17] :) [12:18] sigh... I went to the shop this morning ad forgot to buy yeast... no bread for me :( [12:19] davmor2: makes sense, I guess [12:19] the rolls i made last night are like rocks [12:19] my yeast was out of date [12:19] popey: doh. [12:19] yeah [12:19] will make some more later [12:19] (PUN INTENDED) [12:19] oh [12:20] hehe [12:20] that reminds me, I have an episode of Fully Charged to watch (Robert Llewellyn's trip in an electric car from London to Edinburgh) [12:20] I so dont feel like going out - its drizzly, about +2 and generally slushy. not fun [12:20] popey: jussi you guys kneed to give up the jokes. [12:21] MooDoo: you knead to learn to spell :P [12:21] bwahahahah [12:21] jussi: rats thought I'd cracked that one lol [12:21] huzzah, there was a bad chrome running silently [12:21] the yolks on me [12:21] I'm not going to rise to these jokes. [12:21] killed it and my tabs came back [12:21] foobarry: so much for moving on... [12:22] popey: your jokes are putting a damper on my system... [12:22] (have to know somehting about aussie bread for that one...) [12:23] jussi: at least they aren't fish jokes, they cod go on for hours and you'd end up battering me ;) [12:23] MooDoo: oh crumbs... [12:23] :D [12:23] you mullet over [12:23] MooDoo: I think I'm going to tuna out for a bit.. [12:24] you guys still carping on? [12:24] foobarry: we are smiling, breaming from ear to ear [12:25] i keep herring fish jokes [12:25] i've haddock up to here [12:25] * foobarry goes to lunch [12:26] are you going to perch all my jokes? [12:26] :-p [12:27] cripes i'm going to become a monk[fish] to get away from all this [12:27] MooDoo: get trout of here! [12:27] on a serious note can someone code fishsay instead of cowsay :) [12:27] MooDoo: pollocks! ;) [12:27] MartijnVdS:! [12:27] MartijnVdS: family friendly [12:27] Now you are all starting to annoy me, Im getting all puffed up about this! [12:28] diddledan: yes, it's a very good fish for a family meal :) [12:28] lol [12:28] i'm allergic to fish lol [12:28] MooDoo: cowsay has templates, you should be able to code one or more fish into it [12:28] MooDoo: as long as you know how to ascii-art [12:28] lol awesome [12:28] MooDoo: is that what they call it now? :P :P [12:29] http://www.geocities.com/spunk1111/aquatic.htm [12:29] o/ [12:31] why hasn't that geocity been deleted yet? [12:32] I thought geocities disappeared into the bitbucket in the sky years ago [12:34] man now I want to watch Beverley hills cop damn you Absolute 80's for puting AxelF on [12:35] diddledan: geocities wil never die............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [12:37] any ideas, about where to start concerning writing the javascript for my pebble, to pull xml data from bleb.org, please. [12:38] diddledan: that was angelfire === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:41] \o [12:43] do we ever have ubuntu uk meetings any more? [12:43] nope [12:44] fair enough :) [12:45] how come? [12:49] shamne on me for thinking the salami and mozzarrella foccacia from sainsburys would taste of salami, mozzarrella, or foccaccia [12:49] MooDoo: I thought you guys had that once a year train thing? :P [12:49] hazrpg: they must not be needed any more as we're a well oiled loco [12:51] jussi: real ale train :) I've never been on that one. [12:51] jussi: that's a popey et al thing [12:51] MooDoo: but I thought "popey et al" == uk loco ? :D [12:51] well, anyone can setup a meeting [12:52] agreed, just curious as to why they weren't done any more, but if they aren't needed that would explain it :D [12:53] ask AlanBell ☻ [12:53] he is our fearless leader [12:53] in the grand scheme of things, I really do't think it's that important ;) lol [12:54] MooDoo: what? Fearlessness or leadership? :) [12:54] MartijnVdS: asking AlanBell about meetings lol [12:56] Well, you asked, I wanted to make sure you got an accurate answer. [12:56] AlanBell: is taking over the world... :P [12:56] popey: thank you sir ;) [13:09] Good morning peeps :) [13:09] davmor2: did you see this from yesterday? https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/432613519381762048/photo/1 [13:10] bigcalm: I did I was trying to figure out if that was the big version or not? [13:10] davmor2: it cost a little under 150 quid [13:10] I didn't see a bigger version in the LEGO shop in Liverpool [13:11] Cheaper to buy in the LEGO shop than from Amazon. Most strange [13:11] bigcalm: http://www.lego.com/en-gb/starwars/products/exclusives/10225r2-d2 this one then [13:22] MooDoo: meetings kind of fizzled out a while back, there were several where I was about the only person there, with an absence of much to discuss :) [13:22] AlanBell: thanks, sounds like they are not needed then :D [13:22] bigcalm: I think that is the next model I'll be getting as I have the 2 ships I love :) Although if I find the big millennium Falcon I might have to buy that :) [13:23] well if there is something to discuss, and that is a useful way to do it then yay [13:24] bigcalm: the super star destroyer is tempting but it is huge as is the deathstar [13:25] AlanBell: I don't think there ever is unless we're going to do something for the big jam :d [13:27] MooDoo: fair enough [13:30] davmor2: I could have bought the SSD, but it isn't much to look at [13:30] hazrpg: we'll have secret meetings, shhhh don't tell AlanBell ;) [13:31] i can't see a smaller version of the r2d2 kit... unless you're thinking of the original mindstorms from 1999 [13:32] bigcalm: more important where the hell would you put it [13:32] davmor2: I still intend to put up shelves in my office [13:33] bigcalm: look at the dimensions of the SSD and you'll understand :) [13:34] bigcalm: Measures nearly 50 inches (124.5 cm) long and weighs nearly 8 pounds (3.5kg)! [13:36] 3152 pieces and every single one is grey [13:36] bigcalm: that is a huge shelf [13:37] ali1234: you'll be surprised [13:38] i won't, cos i can't afford that thing [13:38] ali1234: haha [13:38] and if i had £350 to spend on lego i'd get the technic mobile crane mk2 [13:39] Why can't I see the SSD on that site? [13:47] Ah, that's my wish list repopulated on Amazon [13:52] MooDoo: well actually, we might do something for the global jam === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:04] directhex: why is sdrsharp so slow in mono? [14:04] no idea. what's sdrsharp? [14:04] a software defined radio written in c# [14:04] http://sdrsharp.com/ [14:05] aka ronseal ;) [14:05] anyway it's unusably slow with mono no matter how fast your computer is [14:06] works fine on windows, apparently [14:06] youtube adds have to be some of the biggest moodkillers ever :/ [14:06] youtube has ads? [14:06] yes... [14:06] evil ones that play before the video [14:07] not with my adblocker ;) [14:11] do shre more info? [14:11] jussi: THe "Adblock" extension (not "Adblock plus", just"Adblock") in Chrome [14:11] jussi: no more ads :) [14:12] MartijnVdS: AdBlock ? [14:13] jussi: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/adblock/gighmmpiobklfepjocnamgkkbiglidom [14:13] love that URL 8-) [14:14] I think I have to have this, simply because of the video used in the youtube illustration... :D [14:16] Hi Jussi and everyone, you can see your installed extension list on : [14:16] chrome://extensions/ [14:17] bam. [14:17] BAM. [14:17] BAM! [14:17] not enough people read ubuntu-devel-announce [14:17] directhex: ? [14:20] directhex: ? [14:24] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2014-February/001079.html [14:41] nice one directhex [14:48] * hazrpg test [14:48] test2 [14:48] hmmz :/ [14:48] directhex: give me a steam key ;) [14:48] directhex: my key is I AMDI RECT HEX ;) [14:48] NO >8\/ [14:49] directhex: I loved the gall of some people after reading your post lol [14:50] * popey expecs directhex will get way more now, as people think they're developers when they aren't [14:50] "But I'm a member1" [14:50] MartijnVdS: I should get one as I'm a potential member when I get my butt in gear [14:55] no [14:56] you have to be a developer, not a member [14:56] Laney: we're teasing [14:56] ha [14:57] sheesh ;) [14:57] 10 print "I love ubuntu" 20 goto 10 does this count Laney ? [14:57] get back to your free lwn subscription [14:58] snigger :D [15:19] ping [15:22] hazrpg: pong [15:25] *boing* [15:26] thanks :) [15:26] seems colours does work afterall (irssi scripts) [15:27] of course they do :) [15:28] which do you use? [15:28] hazrpg: uhh [15:28] "nickcolor.pl" [15:28] MartijnVdS: does that also right-align nicks? [15:29] cos that's the one I'm using [15:29] no, that's just a theme setting isn't it? [15:31] * popey uses nickcolor too [15:33] MartijnVdS: Ah! *strambles theme file* === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [15:41] fixed :D [15:41]