[01:34] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I see the grown-up watch arrived.
[02:03] <rick_h_> cmaloney:   :)
[02:04] <rick_h_> it's purdy
[02:07] <rick_h_> cmaloney: looking at getting NC headphones and unsure whose reviews to trust. Do you know who the dpreview of audio gear would be?
[02:24] <cmaloney> NC headphones?
[02:24] <cmaloney> Ah, noise canceling.
[02:25] <cmaloney> Honestly I wouldn't trust any of them
[02:25] <cmaloney> To me noise canceling adds some tricks to try to get the outside world to shut up
[02:26] <cmaloney> That said I'd trust the reviews on Amazon over most of them.
[02:26] <cmaloney> Most audi sites have an agenda.
[02:26] <cmaloney> audio rather
[02:27] <cmaloney> ie: audiophile sites who think anything less than $500 is consumer crap
[02:27] <cmaloney> and other sites who think Skullcandy is A-OK
[02:28] <cmaloney> I haven't found one that isn't biased in some way
[02:28] <cmaloney> Mostly what I'll do is find a few on Amazon and check around to see what folks think of them.
[02:29] <cmaloney> Also I'd use some headphones that you already know (Grados, Etys, etc) as baselines
[02:29] <cmaloney> and see what others would recommend
[02:30] <cmaloney> because frankly they all add some coloring to the music and the trick is figuring out what color / flavor you likel
[02:30] <cmaloney> like, even
[02:30] <cmaloney> Also those Etys that you picked up for me are exceptional at noise canceling
[02:40] <cmaloney> noise isolating rather
[10:36] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, it's purely for travel. 18hrs on a plane with that drumming I want to kick out
[10:36] <rick_h_> cmaloney: the issue is amazon reviews say to get the bose qc15 but I can't get over that it's bose
[10:45] <rick_h_> and morning, happy that after a 7hr time change I only managed to wake up one hour early
[10:45] <rick_h_> yay jetlag
[11:08] <cmaloney> woo woo
[11:09] <cmaloney> yeah, im no fan of bose either
[11:10] <cmaloney> but if its audio tricks you're looking for over sound quality, they have tricks galore. :)
[11:11] <rick_h_> heh yea
[11:11] <rick_h_> it's crazy because everyone review you see picks something different
[11:12] <rick_h_> and they're $$ enough I'm kind of meh on buying blind I guess at this ponit. Maybe I really do need a store
[11:12] <cmaloney> be sure to take your iwn music with you
[11:13] <cmaloney> their canned shit sounds great no matter what
[11:13] <rick_h_> yea, I mean I took my earbuds with me on this trip
[11:13] <rick_h_> I like them well enough and they plug the ears up well
[11:14] <rick_h_> but after so many hours even they got uncomfortable and didn't block out the low level noises
[11:14] <rick_h_> so they'd be plane-cans really
[11:14] <rick_h_> maybe I'm just sensitive after going through 23hrs sitting on a plane
[11:15] <cmaloney> I think that's the biggest part. :)
[11:15] <rick_h_> but I'll be traveling more now so figure time to invest in them
[11:15] <cmaloney> After 23 hours I think even a symphony orchestra would make you want to go spare.
[11:15] <rick_h_> but yea, some knee jerk in there for sure
[11:16] <cmaloney> Well, you have a Bose store at Great Lakes Crossing
[11:16] <rick_h_> ugh, bose sales weasels
[11:16] <cmaloney> so it's not like you couldn't drop down there to give them a test run
[11:16] <rick_h_> yea...
[11:17] <cmaloney> Hey, take your phone and some of your best sounding and most familiar music
[11:17] <rick_h_> I feel so slimy. Why do the others all have to not work out as well
[11:17] <rick_h_> right
[11:17] <cmaloney> and also your blues music that sounds like it was recorded via a GE tape recorder
[11:17] <rick_h_> :P
[11:17] <cmaloney> and see how it works
[11:18] <cmaloney> (I'm using a for-instance. Most folks bring their music that is a testament to the recording engineer)
[11:18] <rick_h_> yea, I'm not super worried about the sound quality as far as music goes. I spent more of my time on podcasts and audible books. Occassional soundtrack
[11:18] <rick_h_> yea, good call
[11:19] <cmaloney> Then yeah, you're looking for something to cancel the noise in-between the words
[11:19] <rick_h_> yea, which is what they're supposed to be best for unfortunately in looking at reviews
[11:20] <cmaloney> As sick as it may sound they may be your best bet
[11:20] <cmaloney> but yeah, $300+ for Bose == threw up in my mouth a bit
[11:21] <rick_h_> www.amazon.com/dp/B006S8DS8E/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2MA8O7BXBIDWH&coliid=IONZSTDNZBGLN
[11:21] <rick_h_> www.amazon.com/dp/B007TTD7VO/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2MA8O7BXBIDWH&coliid=IQXAY0GHPWYST
[11:21] <rick_h_> www.amazon.com/dp/B0054JJ0QW/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2MA8O7BXBIDWH&coliid=I1CUHVE96WDMCV
[11:21] <rick_h_> those are the three I've been going between
[11:22] <cmaloney> Wow, those PSBs are pricey.
[11:23] <rick_h_> yea
[11:23] <rick_h_> so I'm looking at "are they better than the bose and worth the extra $$"
[11:23] <cmaloney> not familiar with the brand
[11:23] <rick_h_> so the psb is a new brand. This is their first headphone
[11:23] <rick_h_> and supposedly they're the best quality of the bunch
[11:23] <rick_h_> sound great even sans NC
[11:23] <rick_h_> comes with a build in amp
[11:24] <cmaloney> http://www.psbspeakers.com/dealers
[11:24] <rick_h_> even aside from NC
[11:24] <cmaloney> There's one in Southfield.
[11:24] <cmaloney> There's two dealers in Clarkston
[11:24] <rick_h_> hah wtf
[11:25] <cmaloney> Give 'em a call and see if they have those headphones for trial
[11:25] <rick_h_> yea, no kidding
[11:25] <cmaloney> (I feel like I've done a bad thing. ;) )
[11:25] <rick_h_> hey I got permission from the wife...except I didn't tell her they'd be this much :/
[11:26] <cmaloney> "So I was out and about and headed over to my hifi buddies at the ESSI and they said I should get the $6,000 tube amp, but I said... "
[11:27] <rick_h_> :P
[11:28] <cmaloney> I think they're the same company, so there's only one near you.
[11:28] <cmaloney> Same address
[11:29] <cmaloney> http://www.soundcheckllc.com/Sports-Simulators-Michigan.html <- Oh, here you go
[11:29] <rick_h_> ah, well if it's around it'll do
[11:29] <rick_h_> lol
[13:12] <cmaloney> Good morning again. :)
[13:14] <brousch> again?
[13:15] <wolfger> good morning
[13:17] <brousch> wolfger: Welcome to #ubuntu-us-mi! Are you new here?
[13:20] <wolfger> I am! What is this "Ubuntu" thing?
[13:21] <cmaloney> wolfger:  What the heck? Did the great firewall of Chrysler come tumbling down?
[13:21] <cmaloney> You post on my site and now this? :)
[13:21] <cmaloney> It's not even my birthday.
[13:22] <wolfger> I work for Sandalwood now, and I'm on the Chrysler Saltillo project. Which means... when I'm not actually on-site in Mexico, I can work from home. Suck it, Chrysler. :-)
[13:24] <cmaloney> Ah very cool. Didn't realize you'd made the switch.
[13:24] <cmaloney> You still in MI?
[13:25] <cmaloney> http://www.sandalwood.com/
[13:25] <cmaloney> Ah nice. Livonia.
[13:26] <brousch> Sounds like a resort
[13:26] <cmaloney> Coming from Chrysler it likely is
[13:30] <wolfger> Yeah, our office is in Livonia, but I've never set foot in it (sort of).
[13:30] <cmaloney> I know what you mean. :)
[13:30] <wolfger> I was in the office for my interview, but we've moved since then, so technically I've never set foot in our current office.
[13:30] <jrwren> and on that note, I'm off to the office :)
[13:31] <cmaloney> jrwren: You work in Ann Arbor. That's like going to Carnival. ;)
[13:31] <cmaloney> wolfger: That's very cool!
[13:33] <jrwren> cmaloney: i drive through downtown, not work in it :(
[13:33] <jrwren> so I have to drive through a carnival on my way to work. That does sound about right.
[13:34] <cmaloney> heh
[13:35] <cmaloney> ugh. JUst realized I left a bag of dried cranberries open over the weekend
[13:35] <wolfger> driving through Ann Arbor (if you don't just stay on the interstate) is like having a dentist appt every day
[13:35] <cmaloney> they got even chewier than they were.
[13:37] <rick_h_> cmaloney: lol, they were already dried :P
[13:38] <wolfger> Ugh. Sadly, I still have to interface with Chrysler people. :-p
[13:38] <cmaloney> rick_h_: They were nasty.
[13:38] <cmaloney> wolfger: I have friends that still work there. I don't think I would have lasted there much after I left.
[13:44] <wolfger> Does gamerchick still work there?
[13:44] <cmaloney> I think so
[13:45] <wolfger> My problem isn't so much with the nasty people... I can handle them. My problem is with the stupid people.
[13:45] <cmaloney> wolfger: There do seem to be an inordinate amount of them at times.
[14:01] <wolfger> I hate to ask this in a Linux channel, but... does anybody know why Outlook insists in "working offline" when I am on the VPN, and if/how I can change that? I have to hit send/receive every time I send an e-mail, or periodically to receive new mail.
[14:01] <wolfger> I'm at a loss to find any setting for this
[14:04] <cmaloney> wolfger: NFC.
[14:04] <cmaloney> Could be part of their policy settings for VPN users?
[14:27] <wolfger> I'm guessing so
[14:31] <brousch> cmaloney: Who do you play all of these games with? Just your wife or do you have a group?
[14:52] <cmaloney> brousch: Usually just with JoDee, though sometimes we have folks over to play them
[14:52] <cmaloney> though my biggest problem is getting them played.
[14:53] <cmaloney> (and some might argue my biggest problem is I'm addicted to buying games)
[14:54] <brousch> I played chess and Khet 2 with George last weekend. It was good
[14:54] <cmaloney> Nice!
[14:55] <brousch> He is not good at all, but it's encouraging when he finishes a game
[14:55] <cmaloney> Yeah, chess has a lot of moving pieces to it
[14:55] <brousch> Usually it's Minecraft PE and LEGO PS3 games
[14:56] <brousch> Before every having played he said "Chess is easy. You just have to get the other guy's king." So he agreed to play with me. We set it all up, then he reached over and took my king. "See!"
[14:57] <cmaloney> I office-loled.
[14:57] <cmaloney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_Go
[14:57] <brousch> Then we played a real game where I walked through some decisions with him
[14:57] <wolfger> LOL
[14:59] <cmaloney> How old is George? 4?
[15:00] <brousch> 6
[15:00] <cmaloney> Wow, so he's ready for all sorts of games
[15:01] <brousch> Uno is his favorite
[15:04] <cmaloney> There's a game called "Hey, that's my fish" that he might like
[15:04] <cmaloney> Has Penguins on hex ice floes
[15:04] <cmaloney> also Fish Cook is pretty fun.
[15:05] <cmaloney> But that one you'll need additional components
[15:05] <cmaloney> http://cheapass.com/node/105
[15:06] <cmaloney> There's a printed version that retails for under $18.
[15:06] <cmaloney> http://cheapass.com/games/fishcook $15.
[15:07] <brousch> Sounds kind of slow
[15:07] <cmaloney> Not really. There's some good decisions in there.
[15:26] <wolfger> I found a game called Tsuro that is really quick (read: for short attention spans) and simple that people of all ages seem to enjoy.
[15:27] <wolfger> http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/16992/tsuro
[15:29] <wolfger> They call it "15 minutes", but I think the night I introduced it to my gaming buddies it took all of 12 minutes, including the time it took me to explain the rules.
[15:39] <cmaloney> Yeah, Tsuro is pretty good
[15:40] <cmaloney> I think it works better with more than 2 players.
[15:41] <wolfger> 2 is fine, but more players is definitely better
[15:41] <wolfger> I'd like to get a full 8 player game sometime
[15:43] <brousch> rick_h_: BTW, LEGO movie was great
[15:43] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, found out my wife and son went to it while I was gone !
[15:43] <rick_h_> a repeat trip must be schedueld!
[15:44] <brousch> hah!
[15:44] <cmaloney> rick_h_: definitely.
[16:04] <smoser> jrwren, https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu/precise/cloud-init/precise-lp-1244355/+merge/205614
[16:05] <smoser> i cleaned up your pathc a bit and porposed the merge bacck into your branch.
[16:05] <smoser> from there, once the current -proposed cloud-init is through, we can upload.
[16:05] <smoser> thanks.
[17:41] <jrwren> thans smoser
[17:42] <jrwren> wtf is that .pc directory?
[17:42] <jrwren> and why is the entire file there instead of just diff to that file?
[17:43] <jrwren> these quilt style debs has inspired me to never want to manage packages, ever. I think I'd rather run an rpm based distro... only 1/2 kidding.
[17:43] <smoser> jrwren, .pc is quilt patch directory.
[17:43] <smoser> it makes good sense for applying and managing patches.
[17:43] <smoser> what does not make sense is versioning it.
[17:43] <jrwren> its not even a patch, it put the whole file there.
[17:43] <smoser> so i often 'diff | filterdiff --exclude .pc/*'
[17:43] <smoser> right. it is.
[17:44] <jrwren> ugh.
[17:44] <smoser> its so you can 'quilt pop' and it resotres correctly
[17:44] <jrwren> and there is value in that?
[17:44] <smoser> (well, rather that it can pop or tell you ... um that does'nt cleanly pop you should refresh)
[17:44] <smoser> quilt + revision control of .pc is silly
[17:45] <jrwren> I don't see the value
[17:45] <jrwren> oh! its because quilt gets used outside of a rev controlled dir.
[17:45] <jrwren> so its antiquated b.s.
[17:46] <jrwren> no wonder I don't value it.
[17:46] <jrwren> sounds like maybe the debian world needs something that does 1/2 the things taht quilt does and relies on teh underling RC system for the rest.
[17:58] <smoser> jrwren, antiquated b.s is 90% correct, yes.
[17:58] <smoser> for some time, i fought the fight you're fighting.
[17:59] <smoser> but the opponent in this cases is a robot that imports uploads into revision control (ie, the bzr branches are actually derived from packaging)
[17:59] <smoser> and that robot was more persistent than I was.
[18:00] <rick_h_> robots always win the patience battle
[18:02] <jrwren> smoser: yes, I'm not trying to bitch in your direction. Thanks for taking what I sent.
[18:02] <jrwren> I am glad to have finally learned more about quilt. I've heard about it for years, maybe a decade
[18:04] <smoser> it actually is really nice.
[18:04] <smoser> git rebase largely removed its usefullness
[18:04] <smoser> (and note, there actually is a thing called 'guilt', which is "git" + "quilt")
[18:08] <cmaloney> http://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/121579-visual-studio/suggestions/3440221-bring-back-classic-visual-basic-an-improved-versi?utm_content=buffer73c10&utm_medium=social&utm_source=plus.google.com&utm_campaign=buffer
[18:09] <cmaloney> trolololol
[19:33] <jrwren> smoser: yes, I can see how THAT subset of quilt would be/is nice.
[19:33] <jrwren> smoser: but also, for your case, why use it at all? why not just rev the 0.6 branch of your software and call it a new version and don't even distro rev the package version?
[19:35] <smoser> well, the distro revision control just happens.
[19:35] <smoser> you dont hav eto use it.
[19:35] <smoser> but uploading a "new upstream tarball" for each upload would be contrary to the way almost all distros work.
[19:36] <smoser> ie, typically, kyou have an upstream tarball release, and the distro consumes that. and then applies some small set of patches.
[19:36] <smoser> thats what the work flow is optimized for.
[19:43] <jrwren> right.
[19:43] <jrwren> but in this specific case, you own both ends.
[19:43] <jrwren> so you could remove all the distro patches and just rev your stuff
[19:43] <jrwren> basically everything is a new upstream.
[19:44] <jrwren> I guess I see your point that new upstream tarball can be a bummer, I don't run a distro, so I don't see that as a drawback :)
[19:44] <jrwren> and our repositories that we do run... well, we don't care about source  repos :)
[19:50] <cmaloney> https://ting.com/blog/we-will-sell-you-a-nexus-5-if-we-must/
[19:51] <smoser> jrwren, fwiw, i generally do what you're suggesting during the development cycle.
[19:51] <smoser> cloud-init in trusty at the moment is a snapshot of a bzr branch.
[19:51] <smoser> but then near release, i make a release of cloud-init.
[19:51] <smoser> possibly the combined approach creates the worst of all possible worlds :)
[19:52] <jrwren> smoser: ah, so I just caught the worst possible point in time :)
[19:53] <smoser> basically, i treate the ubuntu development release as an extension of cloud-init development.
[19:53] <smoser> but then for release of ubuntu want to package something that is considered by upstrema to be "stable"
[20:24] <_stink_> ...
[20:35] <cmaloney> ...
[20:36] <cmaloney> ___________: Seriously?
[20:36] <greg-g> I shall call him "Fill in the blank"
[20:37] <___________> :D!
[20:37] <_stink_> call him whatever you want - that's what i do.
[20:37] <___________> it is :(
[20:37] <brousch> I dub him "Late for dinner"
[20:38] <___________> it's mostly to taunt someone with IRC troubles in #waynestatelug
[20:38] <_stink_> my choice is "Gaze Lingers a Touch Too Long"
[20:38] <___________> 15:23:41 < jayis__> just wait til you get a _
[20:38] <greg-g> _stink_++
[20:39] <___________> not to mention "Touch lingers a touch too long"
[20:39] <_stink_> i think you mischanned that
[20:39] <_stink_> DIDN'T YOU
[20:41] <cmaloney> One could hope
[20:47] <___________> Why should I hide my affections :(
[20:52] <_stink_> the world is not ready for you
[21:05] <___________> :(
[21:05] <greg-g> you're not ready for you
[21:10] <___________> :\
[21:10] <greg-g> ___________: I still love you
[21:12] <___________> <3
[21:21] <_stink_> look what you did to this high brow channel
[21:26] <brousch> _stink_: I think you mischanned that. DIDN'T YOU
[21:27] <_stink_> you got me!
[21:27] <_stink_> was 'high brow' the clue?
[21:29] <cmaloney> pretty much