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=== best_pony is now known as Mapley
knomeMapley, hold your... ponies00:56
knomebbl ->00:57
Unit193The ISOs are getting awefully large...04:41
NoskcajUnit193, current size?04:42
Unit193~900MB.04:43
Noskcajthat's shot up quick04:43
NoskcajI wonder what could be used to reduce it04:45
Unit193http://paste.openstack.org/show/K6vzagtj8MuyXd3TFyUU/04:46
Noskcajnothing shows up for the paste04:48
Unit193Weirdly nothing does unless you hit raw: http://paste.openstack.org/raw/dFvG9B7pMueL843yqKWX/04:48
Unit193gnome-settings-*, gnome-session*, gnome-control*, and gnome-desktop* should be able to, if we can change what's pulling them. :/04:50
Unit193Biggest part is, we have 3 python versions, right?04:50
Unit193Yep.04:51
Noskcaji think so04:52
NoskcajWhat do we have to do to drop 3.3 or 3.4 for the final iso?04:52
Noskcajalso a lot of new cups stuff seems to be in04:52
Unit193Don't know offhand.04:52
Unit193Nice part of do-release-upgrade, you get the full list of things being installed (a lot of which gets purged. :P )04:53
Noskcajgdisk seems to be a new recommend of udisks204:54
Unit193Recommends are killers. :/04:55
NoskcajI wonder how much smaller our iso would be with --no-recommends04:56
Unit193On the bright side, we're about to bump them up with menulibre, mugshot, and xubuntu-community-wallpapers! :P04:56
Noskcaj:)04:57
micahgwell, we should only end up with 2 versions of python by fonal04:57
micahgfina04:57
micahgfinal04:57
Unit193Nice.04:57
Unit193indicator-sound now has an alt dep on pavucontrol, so that shouldn't pull in one of the control centers...04:58
elfyknome: ok - I'll look later 07:31
elfyknome: looked now - mucked about with it a bit08:49
elfyzequence: many of our testcases are - open it, start a new <whatever>, save it, close it, does saved <whatever> open, does help work08:51
elfyreally basic stuff08:52
elfyif you want someone to start running through them - I can find some time for it08:53
elfyonce the basic test is written it's not as bad to flesh them out - where it's required, the worst bit is actually getting them on the tracker - wasn't a great deal of fun last cycle, but it was worth it in the end08:58
zequenceelfy: Simple is best :). I think cub would be a good candidate to work on testing, if he can find some time for it09:30
zequenceIt has happened that we released, and there have been some pretty serious, yet fixable bugs09:31
elfyzequence: well I can start working on writing them today, I'll just work from the testcase bugs for your stuff09:31
zequenceThat's mainly what I would like to prevent with testing09:31
zequenceelfy: We only need testcased for our multimedia applications, though09:32
elfyyep - ok 09:32
slickymaster-jobmorning all09:42
elfyhi slickymaster-job 09:42
slickymaster-jobhi elfy. Did you have a good weekeend?09:44
elfypretty good thanks :)09:44
slickymaster-jobhe had a pretty heavy storm here, yesterday09:45
elfyzequence: I'll work with the 5 'menu' groups you have - Audio Production etc09:52
elfyknome: somethings up with whatever package deals with keyboard settings, not sure which package it would be - but updates set keyboard layout to US - which can play havoc with passwords10:42
elfyochosi - maybe you know which it is 10:42
ali1234it's a issue with ubuntu in general11:12
elfyok ali1234 thanks11:13
slickymaster-jobbbl ->12:54
jjfrv8knome, slickymaster-job, my first cut of the MenuLibre section in the Settings & Preferences chapter: http://imagebin.org/29259014:15
jjfrv8subject to change pending the decision on whiskermenu14:15
jjfrv8if I'm going to work on the upstream version, I'm going to need a tutorial from bluesabre :)14:16
ochosijjfrv8: we're planning on taking a decision in this week's meeting to finalize the panel stuff14:17
jjfrv8cool14:17
elfylet's hope enough people turn up then :)14:18
slickymaster-jobjjfrv8: it looks great, so far14:18
slickymaster-jobbut we really do need a tuto on it14:19
ochosielfy: yeah, sorry for not being there for the last few meetings, it wasn't that i didn't want to attend14:21
elfyochosi: lol - I didn't mean anyone in particular, just if there's not many about it won't help with the whisker menu thing :)14:22
ochosiwell depends, we've voted on it once before14:22
elfythe general idea yea14:23
ochosithe proposed panel layout would work without it as well14:23
ochosijust not as nicely14:23
elfyand not whisker - but the proposed layout is what I was meaning too 14:23
elfyochosi: which looks fine to me :)14:23
ochosiyeah, it's not a real departure imo14:24
ochosiso there's no need to make a huge fuss about it14:24
elfyI agree14:24
ochosiit's just a reduction of the current layout14:24
elfyyea14:24
ochosisince it's easy enough for ppl to customize it, i think that makes sense14:24
elfyexactly - I'd love the default to be exactly like mine - but no-one else is likely to :)14:25
ochosi:)14:30
ochosieveryone would like the default to be like theirs i guess14:30
elfyI'd guess so - being human and inherently bone idle :)14:30
slickymaster-jobknome: ping17:09
knomeslickymaster-job, pong17:09
slickymaster-joblol, i chased you on -off17:10
knomeheh17:10
knomeslickymaster-job, so yeah, i'll look at that17:10
knomethanks :)17:10
knomepleia2, did you have something done re: the website updates?21:04
knomewe should really look into getting a new docs upload for beta 121:05
knomethat would also close a lot of the -docs blueprint work items, so it would be more accurate21:06
Unit193Some are pending, like shipping translations. :P21:10
knomeyep.21:10
knomea lot of stuff is21:10
Unit193Also did that http://paste.openstack.org/show/iPSpyiAk8MSRAog8pQR321:11
knome:)21:11
Unit193I'm trying to make it so people don't try rm -r for fun, thus used rm -ir21:12
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pleia2knome: no, I was missing all weekend22:25
ochosiali1234: have you bothered tedg about indicators lately?22:26
ali1234not this week no22:29
brainwashcan you link the bug report pls?22:31
brainwashwe could bump it a bit22:31
knomepleia2, great to hear you've been found22:31
pleia2:)22:31
ochosiali1234: feel like launching a combined "attack" on him now that he's around?22:33
ali1234is he around?22:34
* knome ponders: hmm, pink wallpaper for trusty22:34
ochosiyeah, he just was on #ubuntu-desktop22:35
pleia2I LIEK PINK22:35
ochosiali1234: do you know what he has to fix technically speaking?22:37
ali1234sure, i sent a MR22:37
ochosioh, i didn't know that22:38
ochosisry, seems i don't know the full backstory22:38
ali1234i thought i mentioned it22:39
ochosiyou probably did, i wasn't at a few of the last meetings though22:39
slickymasterhey knome, you still around?22:50
slickymasterhey knome, you still around?22:50
knomeslickymaster, flooding the channel, aye?22:52
knome:)22:52
slickymasternah, I hardly can feel my fingers22:53
slickymastergot get myself some gloves :P22:53
knomeyep22:53
slickymasterdid you manage to browse through the wallpaper section?22:53
knomenope, not yet22:54
knomethough you can poke jjfrv8 with them now22:54
knomehe's able to merge as well22:54
knomeand you don't need my ack for everything really :)22:54
slickymasteryeah, good idea22:54
slickymasterwell, just playing on the safe side, even know you got a ton of issues between hands22:54
slickymasterI'll try not to overload you so much22:55
knomei did look really quickly at it, and what i saw looked fine22:55
slickymasterI'll ping jjfrv8 on it22:55
slickymasterif he's also ok with it, I'll make a MP for review22:56
slickymasterjjfrv8: here's my proposal for the xfdestop of the settings-preferences chapter: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6911856/22:58
slickymasterjjfrv8: please ping on your opinion22:58
ochosiNoskcaj: ping23:04
ochosimicahg: ping23:04
ochosiknome: just to give you a quick heads up, since ali1234 and i just talked to tedg about gtk3 indicators in #ubuntu-desktop23:09
knomeokay23:09
ochosithere's no clear ETA on fixing the indicators on the ubuntu side23:09
knomebut i guess it23:09
ochosithey just pushed the half-borked stuff to get more time23:09
* bluesabre starts working on menulibre upstream documentation23:09
knome...it's happening before T?23:09
knomebluesabre, :)23:09
ochosibecause FF doesn't apply to this "bugfix"23:10
ali1234i don't think they did it on purpose23:10
ochosii think it's a bit nasty, but we should do the same23:10
knomeochosi, yep.23:10
ochosiyeah, ali1234 is right i guess, and i didn't mean to make it sound like they did it on purpose23:10
ali1234it was pushed months ago23:10
ochosijust unhappy phrasing23:10
ochosii'm pretty sure this will get fixed in time23:11
ochosifor T23:11
ochosibut not for FF23:11
knomeACK, i'm fine with that23:11
ochosiand i also think there'll be no panel-release on the xfce-side before FF23:11
ochosiso we should push what we have23:11
ali1234it has to get fixed really, otherwise unity will be broken, as previously stated23:11
ochosi(is my conclusion)23:11
knomeochosi, as long as it doesn't render anything completely unusable, sure23:12
ali1234if we're pushing a git snapshot anyway, i recommend somehow putting in the workaround if possible23:12
brainwashali1234: is unity really broken too? indicators seem to work fine like they always did23:12
knomeali1234, that means more work though23:12
ali1234brainwash: it's a race condition23:13
knomeali1234, we've just concluded that we shouldn't do workarounds23:13
ochosibluesabre: ?23:13
ali1234the workaround = putting a variable in the environment23:13
brainwashali1234: oh, never encountered it :)23:13
ochosibluesabre: whoopsie, that wasn't intended like that :)23:13
bluesabre?23:13
ali1234at the very least we should tell testers to apply the workaround manually23:14
ali1234and then add it to the release notes if it's still not fixed by then23:14
ochosi+123:14
ali1234the workaround is "echo INDICATOR_ALLOW_NO_WATCHERS=yes | sudo tee -a /etc/environment"23:16
brainwashit should check for the current session23:17
ali1234no, it shouldn't, because it is broken on all sessions23:17
ali1234including unity23:17
ochosiali1234: session restart needed after that i presume?23:17
ali1234right23:17
ochosiali1234: indicator-application still doesn't want to start23:19
ochosior do i have to reboot?23:19
ali1234hmm. yeah you might have to reboot23:20
ali1234check env?23:20
ochosiyup, need reboot23:20
ali1234check the /etc/environment is okay too23:20
ali1234it might have put it on the same line or something23:21
ochosiPATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:INDICATOR_ALLOW_NO_WATCHERS=yes"23:21
ali1234yeah that's wrong23:22
ochosishould be in a separate line?23:22
ali1234yes23:22
ali1234also it shouldn't be inside the quotes like that23:22
ali1234you did it manually?23:22
ochosino, used your suggested command23:22
ali1234where did the extra : come from? ;)23:22
ochosioh, hm23:23
ochosimight've added that manually some other time then :)23:23
ali1234i don't know if /etc/environment has a trailing newline by default, but it should do23:23
ochosiyup, that worked23:24

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