[00:56] <knome> Mapley, hold your... ponies
[00:57] <knome> bbl ->
[04:41] <Unit193> The ISOs are getting awefully large...
[04:42] <Noskcaj> Unit193, current size?
[04:43] <Unit193> ~900MB.
[04:43] <Noskcaj> that's shot up quick
[04:45] <Noskcaj> I wonder what could be used to reduce it
[04:46] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/K6vzagtj8MuyXd3TFyUU/
[04:48] <Noskcaj> nothing shows up for the paste
[04:48] <Unit193> Weirdly nothing does unless you hit raw: http://paste.openstack.org/raw/dFvG9B7pMueL843yqKWX/
[04:50] <Unit193> gnome-settings-*, gnome-session*, gnome-control*, and gnome-desktop* should be able to, if we can change what's pulling them. :/
[04:50] <Unit193> Biggest part is, we have 3 python versions, right?
[04:51] <Unit193> Yep.
[04:52] <Noskcaj> i think so
[04:52] <Noskcaj> What do we have to do to drop 3.3 or 3.4 for the final iso?
[04:52] <Noskcaj> also a lot of new cups stuff seems to be in
[04:52] <Unit193> Don't know offhand.
[04:53] <Unit193> Nice part of do-release-upgrade, you get the full list of things being installed (a lot of which gets purged. :P )
[04:54] <Noskcaj> gdisk seems to be a new recommend of udisks2
[04:55] <Unit193> Recommends are killers. :/
[04:56] <Noskcaj> I wonder how much smaller our iso would be with --no-recommends
[04:56] <Unit193> On the bright side, we're about to bump them up with menulibre, mugshot, and xubuntu-community-wallpapers! :P
[04:57] <Noskcaj> :)
[04:57] <micahg> well, we should only end up with 2 versions of python by fonal
[04:57] <micahg> fina
[04:57] <micahg> final
[04:57] <Unit193> Nice.
[04:58] <Unit193> indicator-sound now has an alt dep on pavucontrol, so that shouldn't pull in one of the control centers...
[07:31] <elfy> knome: ok - I'll look later 
[08:49] <elfy> knome: looked now - mucked about with it a bit
[08:51] <elfy> zequence: many of our testcases are - open it, start a new <whatever>, save it, close it, does saved <whatever> open, does help work
[08:52] <elfy> really basic stuff
[08:53] <elfy> if you want someone to start running through them - I can find some time for it
[08:58] <elfy> once the basic test is written it's not as bad to flesh them out - where it's required, the worst bit is actually getting them on the tracker - wasn't a great deal of fun last cycle, but it was worth it in the end
[09:30] <zequence> elfy: Simple is best :). I think cub would be a good candidate to work on testing, if he can find some time for it
[09:31] <zequence> It has happened that we released, and there have been some pretty serious, yet fixable bugs
[09:31] <elfy> zequence: well I can start working on writing them today, I'll just work from the testcase bugs for your stuff
[09:31] <zequence> That's mainly what I would like to prevent with testing
[09:32] <zequence> elfy: We only need testcased for our multimedia applications, though
[09:32] <elfy> yep - ok 
[09:42] <slickymaster-job> morning all
[09:42] <elfy> hi slickymaster-job 
[09:44] <slickymaster-job> hi elfy. Did you have a good weekeend?
[09:44] <elfy> pretty good thanks :)
[09:45] <slickymaster-job> he had a pretty heavy storm here, yesterday
[09:52] <elfy> zequence: I'll work with the 5 'menu' groups you have - Audio Production etc
[10:42] <elfy> knome: somethings up with whatever package deals with keyboard settings, not sure which package it would be - but updates set keyboard layout to US - which can play havoc with passwords
[10:42] <elfy> ochosi - maybe you know which it is 
[11:12] <ali1234> it's a issue with ubuntu in general
[11:13] <elfy> ok ali1234 thanks
[12:54] <slickymaster-job> bbl ->
[14:15] <jjfrv8> knome, slickymaster-job, my first cut of the MenuLibre section in the Settings & Preferences chapter: http://imagebin.org/292590
[14:15] <jjfrv8> subject to change pending the decision on whiskermenu
[14:16] <jjfrv8> if I'm going to work on the upstream version, I'm going to need a tutorial from bluesabre :)
[14:17] <ochosi> jjfrv8: we're planning on taking a decision in this week's meeting to finalize the panel stuff
[14:17] <jjfrv8> cool
[14:18] <elfy> let's hope enough people turn up then :)
[14:18] <slickymaster-job> jjfrv8: it looks great, so far
[14:19] <slickymaster-job> but we really do need a tuto on it
[14:21] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, sorry for not being there for the last few meetings, it wasn't that i didn't want to attend
[14:22] <elfy> ochosi: lol - I didn't mean anyone in particular, just if there's not many about it won't help with the whisker menu thing :)
[14:22] <ochosi> well depends, we've voted on it once before
[14:23] <elfy> the general idea yea
[14:23] <ochosi> the proposed panel layout would work without it as well
[14:23] <ochosi> just not as nicely
[14:23] <elfy> and not whisker - but the proposed layout is what I was meaning too 
[14:23] <elfy> ochosi: which looks fine to me :)
[14:24] <ochosi> yeah, it's not a real departure imo
[14:24] <ochosi> so there's no need to make a huge fuss about it
[14:24] <elfy> I agree
[14:24] <ochosi> it's just a reduction of the current layout
[14:24] <elfy> yea
[14:24] <ochosi> since it's easy enough for ppl to customize it, i think that makes sense
[14:25] <elfy> exactly - I'd love the default to be exactly like mine - but no-one else is likely to :)
[14:30] <ochosi> :)
[14:30] <ochosi> everyone would like the default to be like theirs i guess
[14:30] <elfy> I'd guess so - being human and inherently bone idle :)
[17:09] <slickymaster-job> knome: ping
[17:09] <knome> slickymaster-job, pong
[17:10] <slickymaster-job> lol, i chased you on -off
[17:10] <knome> heh
[17:10] <knome> slickymaster-job, so yeah, i'll look at that
[17:10] <knome> thanks :)
[21:04] <knome> pleia2, did you have something done re: the website updates?
[21:05] <knome> we should really look into getting a new docs upload for beta 1
[21:06] <knome> that would also close a lot of the -docs blueprint work items, so it would be more accurate
[21:10] <Unit193> Some are pending, like shipping translations. :P
[21:10] <knome> yep.
[21:10] <knome> a lot of stuff is
[21:11] <Unit193> Also did that http://paste.openstack.org/show/iPSpyiAk8MSRAog8pQR3
[21:11] <knome> :)
[21:12] <Unit193> I'm trying to make it so people don't try rm -r for fun, thus used rm -ir
[22:25] <pleia2> knome: no, I was missing all weekend
[22:26] <ochosi> ali1234: have you bothered tedg about indicators lately?
[22:29] <ali1234> not this week no
[22:31] <brainwash> can you link the bug report pls?
[22:31] <brainwash> we could bump it a bit
[22:31] <knome> pleia2, great to hear you've been found
[22:31] <pleia2> :)
[22:33] <ochosi> ali1234: feel like launching a combined "attack" on him now that he's around?
[22:34] <ali1234> is he around?
[22:34]  * knome ponders: hmm, pink wallpaper for trusty
[22:35] <ochosi> yeah, he just was on #ubuntu-desktop
[22:35] <pleia2> I LIEK PINK
[22:37] <ochosi> ali1234: do you know what he has to fix technically speaking?
[22:37] <ali1234> sure, i sent a MR
[22:38] <ochosi> oh, i didn't know that
[22:38] <ochosi> sry, seems i don't know the full backstory
[22:39] <ali1234> i thought i mentioned it
[22:39] <ochosi> you probably did, i wasn't at a few of the last meetings though
[22:50] <slickymaster> hey knome, you still around?
[22:50] <slickymaster> hey knome, you still around?
[22:52] <knome> slickymaster, flooding the channel, aye?
[22:52] <knome> :)
[22:53] <slickymaster> nah, I hardly can feel my fingers
[22:53] <slickymaster> got get myself some gloves :P
[22:53] <knome> yep
[22:53] <slickymaster> did you manage to browse through the wallpaper section?
[22:54] <knome> nope, not yet
[22:54] <knome> though you can poke jjfrv8 with them now
[22:54] <knome> he's able to merge as well
[22:54] <knome> and you don't need my ack for everything really :)
[22:54] <slickymaster> yeah, good idea
[22:54] <slickymaster> well, just playing on the safe side, even know you got a ton of issues between hands
[22:55] <slickymaster> I'll try not to overload you so much
[22:55] <knome> i did look really quickly at it, and what i saw looked fine
[22:55] <slickymaster> I'll ping jjfrv8 on it
[22:56] <slickymaster> if he's also ok with it, I'll make a MP for review
[22:58] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: here's my proposal for the xfdestop of the settings-preferences chapter: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6911856/
[22:58] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: please ping on your opinion
[23:04] <ochosi> Noskcaj: ping
[23:04] <ochosi> micahg: ping
[23:09] <ochosi> knome: just to give you a quick heads up, since ali1234 and i just talked to tedg about gtk3 indicators in #ubuntu-desktop
[23:09] <knome> okay
[23:09] <ochosi> there's no clear ETA on fixing the indicators on the ubuntu side
[23:09] <knome> but i guess it
[23:09] <ochosi> they just pushed the half-borked stuff to get more time
[23:09]  * bluesabre starts working on menulibre upstream documentation
[23:09] <knome> ...it's happening before T?
[23:09] <knome> bluesabre, :)
[23:10] <ochosi> because FF doesn't apply to this "bugfix"
[23:10] <ali1234> i don't think they did it on purpose
[23:10] <ochosi> i think it's a bit nasty, but we should do the same
[23:10] <knome> ochosi, yep.
[23:10] <ochosi> yeah, ali1234 is right i guess, and i didn't mean to make it sound like they did it on purpose
[23:10] <ali1234> it was pushed months ago
[23:10] <ochosi> just unhappy phrasing
[23:11] <ochosi> i'm pretty sure this will get fixed in time
[23:11] <ochosi> for T
[23:11] <ochosi> but not for FF
[23:11] <knome> ACK, i'm fine with that
[23:11] <ochosi> and i also think there'll be no panel-release on the xfce-side before FF
[23:11] <ochosi> so we should push what we have
[23:11] <ali1234> it has to get fixed really, otherwise unity will be broken, as previously stated
[23:11] <ochosi> (is my conclusion)
[23:12] <knome> ochosi, as long as it doesn't render anything completely unusable, sure
[23:12] <ali1234> if we're pushing a git snapshot anyway, i recommend somehow putting in the workaround if possible
[23:12] <brainwash> ali1234: is unity really broken too? indicators seem to work fine like they always did
[23:12] <knome> ali1234, that means more work though
[23:13] <ali1234> brainwash: it's a race condition
[23:13] <knome> ali1234, we've just concluded that we shouldn't do workarounds
[23:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: ?
[23:13] <ali1234> the workaround = putting a variable in the environment
[23:13] <brainwash> ali1234: oh, never encountered it :)
[23:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: whoopsie, that wasn't intended like that :)
[23:13] <bluesabre> ?
[23:14] <ali1234> at the very least we should tell testers to apply the workaround manually
[23:14] <ali1234> and then add it to the release notes if it's still not fixed by then
[23:14] <ochosi> +1
[23:16] <ali1234> the workaround is "echo INDICATOR_ALLOW_NO_WATCHERS=yes | sudo tee -a /etc/environment"
[23:17] <brainwash> it should check for the current session
[23:17] <ali1234> no, it shouldn't, because it is broken on all sessions
[23:17] <ali1234> including unity
[23:17] <ochosi> ali1234: session restart needed after that i presume?
[23:17] <ali1234> right
[23:19] <ochosi> ali1234: indicator-application still doesn't want to start
[23:19] <ochosi> or do i have to reboot?
[23:20] <ali1234> hmm. yeah you might have to reboot
[23:20] <ali1234> check env?
[23:20] <ochosi> yup, need reboot
[23:20] <ali1234> check the /etc/environment is okay too
[23:21] <ali1234> it might have put it on the same line or something
[23:21] <ochosi> PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:INDICATOR_ALLOW_NO_WATCHERS=yes"
[23:22] <ali1234> yeah that's wrong
[23:22] <ochosi> should be in a separate line?
[23:22] <ali1234> yes
[23:22] <ali1234> also it shouldn't be inside the quotes like that
[23:22] <ali1234> you did it manually?
[23:22] <ochosi> no, used your suggested command
[23:22] <ali1234> where did the extra : come from? ;)
[23:23] <ochosi> oh, hm
[23:23] <ochosi> might've added that manually some other time then :)
[23:23] <ali1234> i don't know if /etc/environment has a trailing newline by default, but it should do
[23:24] <ochosi> yup, that worked