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amerigenaIf I wanted to install two packages on Xubuntu - WINE and PlayOnLinux, which are similar, is there any way to get an output of the difference in packages involved, i.e., since PlayOnLinux is based WINE, it should involve that package base + extras.00:50
amerigenaMy question is : how to determine the extras?00:51
knomeamerigena, would guess the best solution is to ask the playonlinux developers00:51
amerigenathanks knome.00:54
amerigenasorry to bother you00:54
amerigenaActually, to get back the question I just asked, about WINE and PlayOnLinux, what I was more interested in than the specific differences in the exact packages involved in installing each, was knowing if there's a command-line option to compare the differences between say apt-get install x and apt-get install y, presuming that they share a similar shared package base.01:05
xubuntu826hi there, is there anyone who could help me with a wireless issue. I just dont have the option of seting one up :/02:11
xubuntu826Xuisce ?02:12
Unit193What seems to be the problem?  Trying to connect to a network?02:13
xubuntu716yeah, that is the end goal02:13
xubuntu716but right now i'd be content with just getting wireless as an option02:13
Unit193What's your wireless chipset? (lspci)02:14
xubuntu716 Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01)02:14
Unit193!bcm | should be pretty easy.02:15
ubottushould be pretty easy.: Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx02:15
Unit193xubuntu716: If you have a LAN connection, Settings Manager > Additional Drivers02:15
xubuntu716there is nothing in there, i looked :(02:15
Unit193OK, I'd go with the wiki, I have oneof those.02:16
xubuntu716oki i will try and let you know :)02:16
Unit193Alrighty-o.02:17
xubuntu716hey unit193, when i follow instructions and install b43-fwcutter. i go to the additional drivers tab and it says "no additional drivers avalable'02:23
Unit193You'd use b43-fwcutter on the tar file, that won't help with the GUI program.02:24
xubuntu716im sorry, but i am very lost. I feel like i am in well over my head. i have just tried to switich between drivers and the terminal is not responding02:30
xubuntu716i will restart and try trouble shooting again tomorow. I have maxxed my linux for the night. thank you for your help.02:38
sleeziohello, can someone tell me why gksudo thunar won't open thunar as root?03:21
Unit193Is gksu installed?03:22
Unit193Any output?03:22
sleeziodoh!, wasn't installed03:22
Unit193:)03:23
sleezioUnit193, amazingly...that worked...thanks03:24
xubuntu678holstin_: you here05:06
xubuntu678really wheres knome05:12
Unit193xubuntu678: Last warning here as well, /part now05:12
xubuntu678no where is he05:12
IdleOnexubuntu591 you need to leave also05:14
xubuntu675g05:27
kzettsHi, I just installed Xubuntu on an older laptop, and I had to use nomodeset to get the CD to boot properly. I havent had to mess with video resolutions since the kernel changes, and I'm having trouble setting the correct mode. Could someone assist?05:32
v1d4rtest06:01
v1d4ranyone there?06:01
Unit193Hello.06:01
xubuntuzackwheres knome06:16
xubuntuzackhello06:16
xubuntuzackvidar06:16
zack2468hello06:18
zack2468hello06:19
zack2468knome06:20
Unit193zack2468: Isn't there perhaps something else you should/could be doing right about now?06:20
zack2468no wheres knome06:20
zack2468i need to speak to him06:21
zack2468hello06:21
Unit193We've been over this, and you've stated you could wait.06:21
Unit193Now please, stop being childish.06:22
zack2468i just want to speak to knome06:22
zack2468hello06:25
zack2468i would like to talk with knome06:26
Tm_Tzack2468: please contact him directly instead of polluting the channel with repetition06:26
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xubuntu804anyone here?09:04
elfy!anyone | xubuntu80409:11
ubottuxubuntu804: A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll.09:11
xubuntu804thanks....installing 13.10 and having difficulty getting my R9 280x cards to be recognized.  What drivers do I need for them?09:13
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bazhangcards? as in for mining?09:15
elfyxubuntu804: if there is a driver for it, then it will show in settings manager - additional drivers09:15
elfyother than that I've no idea - I use nvidia09:15
xubuntu804Yea, setting up some mining rigs09:15
bazhangfollow the guide by cryptobadger for that?09:16
xubuntu804searching now...thanks09:16
bazhanginstall the amd drivers, the sdk the opencl packages necessary, what mining sw are you using? cgminer? bfgminer?09:17
xubuntu804would like to use bfgminer09:18
bazhangyou are mining scrypt?09:18
xubuntu804yes09:18
bazhangok09:18
bazhangfound the guide?09:18
xubuntu804Reading amd - it says the sdk drivers are included with the new drivers.  Do they still need to be installed separately?  and yes, foudn the guide09:19
bazhangif you use the search terms " sweet spot 280x " it will be the first link09:19
bazhangrumourstech blog09:19
xubuntu804searching...thanks again09:20
bazhanglitecoin.info wiki has tons of tutorials as well09:20
bazhangand there are several litecoin channels here on freenode, and reddit /r/litecoinmining09:20
bazhangnp09:21
xubuntu804can you load up different channels on the same screen?  If so, how?09:23
xubuntu804for freenode09:23
bazhangsure09:23
bazhangwhat client09:23
bazhangah the gateway, not so sure then09:24
xubuntu804how bout the litecoin?09:24
bazhangwhat about it09:24
xubuntu804Do you need to close this channel and then re-load that one? or can you have both channels on this same screen?  I am new to freenode09:25
bazhangdo you mean the channel, here on freenode?09:25
xubuntu804yea09:25
bazhangit's mostly noise. far more info at the rumorstech blog and crytobadger website09:25
bazhanghow to work the webchat client, you might ask in #freenode09:26
bazhangie /join #freenode09:26
bazhangminus the ie and space09:26
xubuntu804Thanks...that's it09:27
fibz_read an interesting article about grabbing encryption keys by listening to the hardware with highly sensitive microphones09:38
fibz_i always wondered about that.09:39
fibz_aparently you can09:39
superprowerAnybody know how to edit autostart list? What app should i launch? I want to "Tilda" app(this is game-like terminal) launch by sistem starts.10:29
elfysettings manager - session and startup - app autostart - add tilda there10:30
superprowerAnd where she is installed?10:32
bazhangtry which tilda10:33
elfy/usr/bin/10:33
elfyand that too - for next time :)10:34
bazhangassuming they uses the pkg manager10:34
bazhang-s +d10:34
superprowerthnx10:35
bazhangnp10:36
LinuxicaHi10:44
cfhowlettLinuxica, greetings10:45
Linuxica:) I need some help I want to put an icon in my father's desktop in order to halt the system10:46
LinuxicaMy father is 94 and he can't see well tha tools bar10:47
LinuxicaI tried with "halt" but it need admin pass10:47
Linuxicahe just unplug the machine now...  He never worked with computers and learnt to weeks ago.10:50
cfhowlettLinuxica, ask this question in #ubuntu10:50
LinuxicaBut ubuntu now is Unity...10:51
LinuxicaI means xubuntu 08.0410:52
cfhowlettLinuxica, 8.04 is no longer supported10:52
cfhowlettLinuxica, but if you want to use the desktop environment on current ubuntu: sudo apt-get install xfce4     will do thiat10:53
LinuxicaThank you, I'll try that. :)10:54
LinuxicaBye10:54
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schyzohey guys anyone i can bother with a "omg i cant believe this windows kid newbie" question ?13:19
schyzoi have a flashdrive with some work saved on it, it crashed in windows so it keeps wanting me to format it, so i did what i usually do plug it into a linux machine.  but its not auto-mounting13:21
schyzoany way i can force that ? im running  voyager 12.04 btw13:22
axelm7hi guys, I am running Xubuntu 13.10 64 bits. Is there a way for XRDP to show the XFCE desktop instead of horrible Gnome fallback?13:46
nikolamthis 12.10->13.10 update procedure. Just stopped for an hour instead of updating, while waiting for an answer, wither to change settings for local clock to UTC or not, how was already set.14:16
nikolamSo It just was sitting there for an hour instead of doing update, that was started14:17
nikolamIf someone already set settings , like that, local clock, etc, it is more obvious he wants to keep them while doing update, and not reseting to wrong settings that are default14:18
starratsnikolam you should download 13-10 and update that instead of what you're doing14:18
nikolamstarrats, khm, it is just regular 12.10-> 13.10 update, whar could be wrong with that??14:18
nikolamwell it download newe packages during update, so it's the same thing, right?14:19
elfyyes14:19
starratsyes14:19
nikolammaybe you are saying that when updating like that, one get _latest 13.10 instead of release one14:20
elfyyou'd actually get an older one14:20
elfythere will have been updates since 13.10 released14:20
nikolamand that it could be better to have local 13.10 image and update using rpeo from cd14:20
starratsnothing is wrong with that nikolam, just saw that you sounded befuddled with the update, waiting for an hour, please contiunue with what you are doing, :)14:21
nikolamyeah, that was just an observation starrats14:21
nikolamat least I get to know BTRFS snapshots, so I could learn to rollback :P14:21
starratsah ok nikolam14:22
nikolamI understand that it is maybe more clever to have local release image, when updating from previous release, and after that get updates.14:23
nikolambut I just hit update :P14:23
Gargronhello! i have a problem. xubuntu 13.10. skype crashes if flash is playing at the same time as skype tries to make a sound14:24
Gargroni don't see PulseAudio in the skype audio settings either14:24
Gargronhow do i fix this?14:25
nikolamGargron, I am just upgrading to 13.10, on 64bit, and using Skype. I could check it out later.14:33
nikolamwhat's skype version there?14:34
nikolamHm, I used to remove pulseaudio before going to 12.10. I don't remember anymore why.14:34
nikolamI was planing to add pulseaudio back after 13.10, so I could check with and without.14:35
nikolamAlso, both Skype and flash are closed source, so tough luck, one would need to report problems to their makers14:35
Gargrontough luck indeed14:38
Gargronworth noting i don't have tht problem with skype/pulseaudio on fedora 19/gnome 314:39
Gargron(on another laptop)14:39
Gargronalthough.. i really have no idea whether it's ALSA or pulseaudio, where do I even check?14:39
nikolamI used to uninstall pulseaudio for some reason, I will check with or wothout it14:56
nikolamalso I needed to call skype with " Exec=env LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l1compat.so /usr/bin/skype "  to make it use webcam14:57
nikolammight be worth reporting a bug if it is pain 13.10 install. 32 or 64-bit?14:58
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xubuntu535hello16:17
knome...lo16:18
sharehi16:48
knome...lo16:49
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nikolamI think it is _very stupid to rename ALL external PPAs htat were present before upgrade to " disabled on upgrade to saucy" ... :I16:59
nikolamBTW, they were disable before upgrade procedure17:00
brainwash_why is that stupid?17:00
nikolambecause I now have to go and rename every single PPA I have before enabling it again17:01
nikolamMaybe they could just be disable without that fuss17:01
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nikolamAlso, after using Every Xubuntu since 7.04 , it gets pretty Boring and OLD calling releases but anything but numbers...17:02
nikolamwho cares for codenames in released distros?17:02
nikolamI stopped recognizing them long time ago17:03
knomenikolam, have you prepared a patch and is it attached to a bug report?17:03
knomenikolam, have you even filed a bug report?17:03
nikolamknome, when you say like that it is most clever thing to do exactly.17:03
geniiWithout a distribution codename, the artwork becomes somewhat bland.17:03
nikolamknome, yes, but not in the past year i think17:03
knomenikolam, it's not a xubuntu-specific feature17:04
nikolamWhat is next LTS ment to be released?17:04
knome!lts17:04
ubottuLTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Xubuntu will be supported for 3 years. The current LTS version is !Precise (Precise Pangolin 12.04)17:04
nikolamknome, yeah, you are all right17:04
knome14.04 is the next LTS.17:04
nikolamSo, there seems there is time for testing an fixing things if I start doing something...17:05
knomeyou are quite late.17:05
nikolamknome, meaning, windows for many things are closed, already?17:05
knomexubuntu won't carry a patch like that, it needs to go into the ubuntu core17:05
knomeyes, we're supposed to have time to fix bugs17:05
knomeand do other things17:07
nikolamin meantime, medibuntu died? am I right?17:08
elfynikolam: yes17:10
nikolamwow also clipboard on-disk list was cleaned for me after update. (parcellite) How nice of maintainer, to clear it for me...17:22
TheSheepnikolam: maybe he just moved the file?17:24
TheSheepnikolam: like from ~/.parcelite to ~/.config/parcelite or something17:24
fred``i'm running trusty and it now my NIC is only 100mbit17:32
nikolamTheSheep, yeah, for some reason old content is in ~/.local/share/parcellite/history and new one is in hist.test17:32
fred``i'm unable to change it via mii-tool17:32
nikolamfred``, maybe ubuntu-dev might be place for us to visit about prerelease ubuntus?17:34
nikolamwhat nic it is (lspci) and was it working right on 13.10?17:34
nikolam32/64 bit etc17:34
nikolamBTW mine is Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5721 and is seems like stopped working after I changed motherboard and moved from 12.04 32bit to 12.10 and now 13.10 64bit17:36
fred``before i had precise and it was running at 1gbit17:36
fred``04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 03)17:36
fred``but thx - i'll ask there17:36
nikolamfred``, you need to report that bug, then, if you dont want it to be like that in LTS.17:36
* nikolam is definitely lost in non-numeric names17:37
Sysinikolam: you only need to recognize first letter, they're in alphabetical order17:38
nikolamSysi, :)17:39
starratsnikolam how was your update/upgrade, did it go okay?17:41
nikolamstarrats, it was with tons of error messages and automatic bug reporting upon first login, but I guess OK :)17:43
starratsah okay nikolam but is it up and running or are you still tweaking it?17:44
starratsto your satisfaction.17:44
nikolamfred``, it is #ubuntu-devel actually17:44
nikolammmm, starrats mm, I have non-working NetXtreme BCM5721 LAN but that was not working in 12.10 , aether17:45
nikolam(was working on 12.04 32bit)17:45
fred``actually it seems to be #ubuntu+117:45
starratsah okay nikolam17:45
nikolamfred``, sorry, wasnt on IRC for a long time.17:45
fred``np . you wanted to tell17:46
nikolamstarrats, will see after one more reboot17:46
starratsah okay nikolam, good luck!17:46
kzettsHi, I'm having trouble changing my screen resolution. I had to use nomodeset to get cd to boot, now my gfx mode isnt available.17:47
kzettsHow do I specify a new mode without xorg.conf?17:47
nikolamI used to use 12.04 LTS text install (alternate) for problematic installs, But I don't think it is made anymore.17:48
nikolamkzetts, what gfx is that (lspci)17:52
nikolamstarrats, It is just interesting that update procedure from 12.10, didn't made automatic snapshot of previous subvolume state18:10
starratsah okay and strange I would think18:11
nikolamI did snapshot manually before update, maybe he had seen it.. P18:14
starratsah okay18:16
nikolamstarrats, maybe also because there was older snapshot for updating from 12.04 to 12.1018:16
starratsah okay18:16
kzettsnikolam: i have an intel 4500gma18:19
kzettsthis is an older laptop18:19
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c4iffHey guys having a bit of issue getting new adobe reader working in xubuntu 13.04, tried installing from .deb package, but no matter what I do i still get wrong ELFClass64 from libstdc19:10
knomec4iff, any reason why you specifically need adobe reader for?19:11
c4iffknome: some PDFs I had a client send won't open without 9.0+ or greater19:12
c4iffor so says the PDF when I try and open it19:12
knomec4iff, and you can't open them with evince or some other alternative to adobe's reader?19:13
c4iffknome: I tried what was default on xubuntu, and then went the route of trying to upgrade19:14
c4iffso no, I have not tried evince19:14
knomeevince is the default on xubuntu19:14
c4iffok then I have19:15
c4iffyea just was verifying that19:15
c4iffhrrm... they embedded flash content into this pdf...19:16
knomec4iff, i don't have experience with adobe's reader on linux myself, and don't know if any other reader supports that either, so good luck19:17
kRushcan I mount an unencrypted partition to my encrypted /home folder structure without problems?19:41
julien-francebonsoir! hello!20:25
julien-francey a t'il un français pour de l'aide?20:25
julien-francemerci.20:25
Unit193!fr20:26
ubottuNous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci.20:26
ChevyCowboy15hello20:39
EugeneBanditHello. I want to rename my home folders (Movies, Images, etc...)21:04
EugeneBanditis there any possible issues doing that with a simple mv Movies movies ?21:04
c4iffIs there a 32 bit lib for libstdc++ for 13.10?21:30
kzettsHi, yesterday I installed xubuntu 13.10 on a laptop from a few years ago. I had to use nomodeset to get the disk to boot. I am unable to get the machine to run at its native resolution, only 1024x768.21:34
kzettsSince there is no more xorg.conf21:34
kzettsI'm a little lost21:34
kzettsCould someone assist?21:35
knomekzetts, you can still use an xorg.conf file, it's just not used/needed by default21:35
Unit193!xorgconf21:35
ubottuThe /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is deprecated, but sometimes may still be needed to pass values to specific drivers. Generic xorg.conf generation: http://ubottu.com/y/xorgconf - ATI/AMD ( fglrx driver ) specific: http://ubottu.com/y/atiamd - NVidia ( nvidia driver )specific: http://ubottu.com/y/nvidia man xorg.conf for file structure and syntax.21:35
kzettsoh21:36
kzettsneat21:36
brainwashkzetts: nomodeset disables KMS21:36
brainwashwhich graphics card do you have?21:36
kzettsintel 450021:37
kzettsgma21:37
brainwashthat's odd21:37
kzettsi know21:37
brainwashit should work ootb21:37
kzettsnever had a problem with an intel card before21:37
kzettsbut this one wont go above 1024x76821:37
kzettsbut in windows its 1366x76821:37
kzettsive tried creating new mode with cvt and xrandr21:37
kzettsbut i get errors21:37
brainwashwhat happens if you skip nomodeset?21:37
kzettsblack screen21:38
kzettsnot like normal black, but like, no backlight on my lcd21:38
brainwashtaking a look at the log files might help here21:39
kzettswell21:39
kzettsi just dropped to a root shell21:39
kzettsand ran X -configure21:39
kzettsand it give me21:39
kzettsFatal Server error21:39
kzettscould not create lock file21:39
Unit193Dropped = Ctrl+Alt+F1 then ran  sudo service lightdm stop  ? ;)21:40
brainwashdid booting the live cd also require nomodeset?21:41
kzettsi rebooted and went into recovery mode21:41
kzettsin grub21:41
kzettsthen root shell21:41
brainwashoh, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old21:41
kzettsbrainwash: yes21:41
kzettsbooting the cd required it21:42
kzettsand then after install it just boots to wrong resolution21:42
kzettsand there isnt the resolution i need21:42
kzettsshould i boot back into xfce?21:42
kzettsor stay in root shell?21:42
brainwashwell, run "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old"21:43
brainwashand look for lines containing "EE"21:43
Unit193Hrm, I couldn't do xorg -configure as of late either, figured it was my card.21:43
brainwashthe main goal is to get KMS running which gets disabled by passing nomodeset21:44
kzettsthe only EE line is server terminated successfully21:44
brainwashKMS  usually sets the correct screen resolution21:44
kzettswell21:44
kzettswhere should i go from here?21:44
brainwashmaybe someone in #intel-gfx could assist you21:45
kzettsstrange21:45
brainwashreading log files is the only thing you can do right now21:46
brainwashit's a system with hybrid graphics, right?21:46
kzettsnot hybrid21:46
kzettsjust regular old integrated21:47
brainwashit's not that old :)21:47
kzettsheh21:47
kzettswell21:47
kzettsits 5ish+ years old21:47
brainwashyes21:47
kzettsi just want to use this laptop for dev21:47
kzettssince my main machine has to be windows21:47
kzettsbut this 1024x768 resolution is murder21:48
brainwashgot a system with the same gpu and it worked since ubuntu 11.10 ootb21:48
kzettsyea21:48
kzettsand i had machines before that had no issues21:48
kzettsi also couldnt boot the ubuntu 12.04 LTS disc without nomodeset21:48
brainwashyou could also ask in #xorg for help21:49
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nikolamudisks-daemon is using one core 100% cou time. what can I or we do about it? (13.10 64bit)23:41
nikolami killed a bastard23:45

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