[00:50] <amerigena> If I wanted to install two packages on Xubuntu - WINE and PlayOnLinux, which are similar, is there any way to get an output of the difference in packages involved, i.e., since PlayOnLinux is based WINE, it should involve that package base + extras.
[00:51] <amerigena> My question is : how to determine the extras?
[00:51] <knome> amerigena, would guess the best solution is to ask the playonlinux developers
[00:54] <amerigena> thanks knome.
[00:54] <amerigena> sorry to bother you
[01:05] <amerigena> Actually, to get back the question I just asked, about WINE and PlayOnLinux, what I was more interested in than the specific differences in the exact packages involved in installing each, was knowing if there's a command-line option to compare the differences between say apt-get install x and apt-get install y, presuming that they share a similar shared package base.
[02:11] <xubuntu826> hi there, is there anyone who could help me with a wireless issue. I just dont have the option of seting one up :/
[02:12] <xubuntu826> Xuisce ?
[02:13] <Unit193> What seems to be the problem?  Trying to connect to a network?
[02:13] <xubuntu716> yeah, that is the end goal
[02:13] <xubuntu716> but right now i'd be content with just getting wireless as an option
[02:14] <Unit193> What's your wireless chipset? (lspci)
[02:14] <xubuntu716>  Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01)
[02:15] <Unit193> !bcm | should be pretty easy.
[02:15] <Unit193> xubuntu716: If you have a LAN connection, Settings Manager > Additional Drivers
[02:15] <xubuntu716> there is nothing in there, i looked :(
[02:16] <Unit193> OK, I'd go with the wiki, I have oneof those.
[02:16] <xubuntu716> oki i will try and let you know :)
[02:17] <Unit193> Alrighty-o.
[02:23] <xubuntu716> hey unit193, when i follow instructions and install b43-fwcutter. i go to the additional drivers tab and it says "no additional drivers avalable'
[02:24] <Unit193> You'd use b43-fwcutter on the tar file, that won't help with the GUI program.
[02:30] <xubuntu716> im sorry, but i am very lost. I feel like i am in well over my head. i have just tried to switich between drivers and the terminal is not responding
[02:38] <xubuntu716> i will restart and try trouble shooting again tomorow. I have maxxed my linux for the night. thank you for your help.
[03:21] <sleezio> hello, can someone tell me why gksudo thunar won't open thunar as root?
[03:22] <Unit193> Is gksu installed?
[03:22] <Unit193> Any output?
[03:22] <sleezio> doh!, wasn't installed
[03:23] <Unit193> :)
[03:24] <sleezio> Unit193, amazingly...that worked...thanks
[05:06] <xubuntu678> holstin_: you here
[05:12] <xubuntu678> really wheres knome
[05:12] <Unit193> xubuntu678: Last warning here as well, /part now
[05:12] <xubuntu678> no where is he
[05:14] <IdleOne> xubuntu591 you need to leave also
[05:27] <xubuntu675> g
[05:32] <kzetts> Hi, I just installed Xubuntu on an older laptop, and I had to use nomodeset to get the CD to boot properly. I havent had to mess with video resolutions since the kernel changes, and I'm having trouble setting the correct mode. Could someone assist?
[06:01] <v1d4r> test
[06:01] <v1d4r> anyone there?
[06:01] <Unit193> Hello.
[06:16] <xubuntuzack> wheres knome
[06:16] <xubuntuzack> hello
[06:16] <xubuntuzack> vidar
[06:18] <zack2468> hello
[06:19] <zack2468> hello
[06:20] <zack2468> knome
[06:20] <Unit193> zack2468: Isn't there perhaps something else you should/could be doing right about now?
[06:20] <zack2468> no wheres knome
[06:21] <zack2468> i need to speak to him
[06:21] <zack2468> hello
[06:21] <Unit193> We've been over this, and you've stated you could wait.
[06:22] <Unit193> Now please, stop being childish.
[06:22] <zack2468> i just want to speak to knome
[06:25] <zack2468> hello
[06:26] <zack2468> i would like to talk with knome
[06:26] <Tm_T> zack2468: please contact him directly instead of polluting the channel with repetition
[09:04] <xubuntu804> anyone here?
[09:11] <elfy> !anyone | xubuntu804
[09:13] <xubuntu804> thanks....installing 13.10 and having difficulty getting my R9 280x cards to be recognized.  What drivers do I need for them?
[09:15] <bazhang> cards? as in for mining?
[09:15] <elfy> xubuntu804: if there is a driver for it, then it will show in settings manager - additional drivers
[09:15] <elfy> other than that I've no idea - I use nvidia
[09:15] <xubuntu804> Yea, setting up some mining rigs
[09:16] <bazhang> follow the guide by cryptobadger for that?
[09:16] <xubuntu804> searching now...thanks
[09:17] <bazhang> install the amd drivers, the sdk the opencl packages necessary, what mining sw are you using? cgminer? bfgminer?
[09:18] <xubuntu804> would like to use bfgminer
[09:18] <bazhang> you are mining scrypt?
[09:18] <xubuntu804> yes
[09:18] <bazhang> ok
[09:18] <bazhang> found the guide?
[09:19] <xubuntu804> Reading amd - it says the sdk drivers are included with the new drivers.  Do they still need to be installed separately?  and yes, foudn the guide
[09:19] <bazhang> if you use the search terms " sweet spot 280x " it will be the first link
[09:19] <bazhang> rumourstech blog
[09:20] <xubuntu804> searching...thanks again
[09:20] <bazhang> litecoin.info wiki has tons of tutorials as well
[09:20] <bazhang> and there are several litecoin channels here on freenode, and reddit /r/litecoinmining
[09:21] <bazhang> np
[09:23] <xubuntu804> can you load up different channels on the same screen?  If so, how?
[09:23] <xubuntu804> for freenode
[09:23] <bazhang> sure
[09:23] <bazhang> what client
[09:24] <bazhang> ah the gateway, not so sure then
[09:24] <xubuntu804> how bout the litecoin?
[09:24] <bazhang> what about it
[09:25] <xubuntu804> Do you need to close this channel and then re-load that one? or can you have both channels on this same screen?  I am new to freenode
[09:25] <bazhang> do you mean the channel, here on freenode?
[09:25] <xubuntu804> yea
[09:25] <bazhang> it's mostly noise. far more info at the rumorstech blog and crytobadger website
[09:26] <bazhang> how to work the webchat client, you might ask in #freenode
[09:26] <bazhang> ie /join #freenode
[09:26] <bazhang> minus the ie and space
[09:27] <xubuntu804> Thanks...that's it
[09:38] <fibz_> read an interesting article about grabbing encryption keys by listening to the hardware with highly sensitive microphones
[09:39] <fibz_> i always wondered about that.
[09:39] <fibz_> aparently you can
[10:29] <superprower> Anybody know how to edit autostart list? What app should i launch? I want to "Tilda" app(this is game-like terminal) launch by sistem starts.
[10:30] <elfy> settings manager - session and startup - app autostart - add tilda there
[10:32] <superprower> And where she is installed?
[10:33] <bazhang> try which tilda
[10:33] <elfy> /usr/bin/
[10:34] <elfy> and that too - for next time :)
[10:34] <bazhang> assuming they uses the pkg manager
[10:34] <bazhang> -s +d
[10:35] <superprower> thnx
[10:36] <bazhang> np
[10:44] <Linuxica> Hi
[10:45] <cfhowlett> Linuxica, greetings
[10:46] <Linuxica> :) I need some help I want to put an icon in my father's desktop in order to halt the system
[10:47] <Linuxica> My father is 94 and he can't see well tha tools bar
[10:47] <Linuxica> I tried with "halt" but it need admin pass
[10:50] <Linuxica> he just unplug the machine now...  He never worked with computers and learnt to weeks ago.
[10:50] <cfhowlett> Linuxica, ask this question in #ubuntu
[10:51] <Linuxica> But ubuntu now is Unity...
[10:52] <Linuxica> I means xubuntu 08.04
[10:52] <cfhowlett> Linuxica, 8.04 is no longer supported
[10:53] <cfhowlett> Linuxica, but if you want to use the desktop environment on current ubuntu: sudo apt-get install xfce4     will do thiat
[10:54] <Linuxica> Thank you, I'll try that. :)
[10:54] <Linuxica> Bye
[13:19] <schyzo> hey guys anyone i can bother with a "omg i cant believe this windows kid newbie" question ?
[13:21] <schyzo> i have a flashdrive with some work saved on it, it crashed in windows so it keeps wanting me to format it, so i did what i usually do plug it into a linux machine.  but its not auto-mounting
[13:22] <schyzo> any way i can force that ? im running  voyager 12.04 btw
[13:46] <axelm7> hi guys, I am running Xubuntu 13.10 64 bits. Is there a way for XRDP to show the XFCE desktop instead of horrible Gnome fallback?
[14:16] <nikolam> this 12.10->13.10 update procedure. Just stopped for an hour instead of updating, while waiting for an answer, wither to change settings for local clock to UTC or not, how was already set.
[14:17] <nikolam> So It just was sitting there for an hour instead of doing update, that was started
[14:18] <nikolam> If someone already set settings , like that, local clock, etc, it is more obvious he wants to keep them while doing update, and not reseting to wrong settings that are default
[14:18] <starrats> nikolam you should download 13-10 and update that instead of what you're doing
[14:18] <nikolam> starrats, khm, it is just regular 12.10-> 13.10 update, whar could be wrong with that??
[14:19] <nikolam> well it download newe packages during update, so it's the same thing, right?
[14:19] <elfy> yes
[14:19] <starrats> yes
[14:20] <nikolam> maybe you are saying that when updating like that, one get _latest 13.10 instead of release one
[14:20] <elfy> you'd actually get an older one
[14:20] <elfy> there will have been updates since 13.10 released
[14:20] <nikolam> and that it could be better to have local 13.10 image and update using rpeo from cd
[14:21] <starrats> nothing is wrong with that nikolam, just saw that you sounded befuddled with the update, waiting for an hour, please contiunue with what you are doing, :)
[14:21] <nikolam> yeah, that was just an observation starrats
[14:21] <nikolam> at least I get to know BTRFS snapshots, so I could learn to rollback :P
[14:22] <starrats> ah ok nikolam
[14:23] <nikolam> I understand that it is maybe more clever to have local release image, when updating from previous release, and after that get updates.
[14:23] <nikolam> but I just hit update :P
[14:24] <Gargron> hello! i have a problem. xubuntu 13.10. skype crashes if flash is playing at the same time as skype tries to make a sound
[14:24] <Gargron> i don't see PulseAudio in the skype audio settings either
[14:25] <Gargron> how do i fix this?
[14:33] <nikolam> Gargron, I am just upgrading to 13.10, on 64bit, and using Skype. I could check it out later.
[14:34] <nikolam> what's skype version there?
[14:34] <nikolam> Hm, I used to remove pulseaudio before going to 12.10. I don't remember anymore why.
[14:35] <nikolam> I was planing to add pulseaudio back after 13.10, so I could check with and without.
[14:35] <nikolam> Also, both Skype and flash are closed source, so tough luck, one would need to report problems to their makers
[14:38] <Gargron> tough luck indeed
[14:39] <Gargron> worth noting i don't have tht problem with skype/pulseaudio on fedora 19/gnome 3
[14:39] <Gargron> (on another laptop)
[14:39] <Gargron> although.. i really have no idea whether it's ALSA or pulseaudio, where do I even check?
[14:56] <nikolam> I used to uninstall pulseaudio for some reason, I will check with or wothout it
[14:57] <nikolam> also I needed to call skype with " Exec=env LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l1compat.so /usr/bin/skype "  to make it use webcam
[14:58] <nikolam> might be worth reporting a bug if it is pain 13.10 install. 32 or 64-bit?
[16:17] <xubuntu535> hello
[16:18] <knome> ...lo
[16:48] <share> hi
[16:49] <knome> ...lo
[16:59] <nikolam> I think it is _very stupid to rename ALL external PPAs htat were present before upgrade to " disabled on upgrade to saucy" ... :I
[17:00] <nikolam> BTW, they were disable before upgrade procedure
[17:00] <brainwash_> why is that stupid?
[17:01] <nikolam> because I now have to go and rename every single PPA I have before enabling it again
[17:01] <nikolam> Maybe they could just be disable without that fuss
[17:02] <nikolam> Also, after using Every Xubuntu since 7.04 , it gets pretty Boring and OLD calling releases but anything but numbers...
[17:02] <nikolam> who cares for codenames in released distros?
[17:03] <nikolam> I stopped recognizing them long time ago
[17:03] <knome> nikolam, have you prepared a patch and is it attached to a bug report?
[17:03] <knome> nikolam, have you even filed a bug report?
[17:03] <nikolam> knome, when you say like that it is most clever thing to do exactly.
[17:03] <genii> Without a distribution codename, the artwork becomes somewhat bland.
[17:03] <nikolam> knome, yes, but not in the past year i think
[17:04] <knome> nikolam, it's not a xubuntu-specific feature
[17:04] <nikolam> What is next LTS ment to be released?
[17:04] <knome> !lts
[17:04] <nikolam> knome, yeah, you are all right
[17:04] <knome> 14.04 is the next LTS.
[17:05] <nikolam> So, there seems there is time for testing an fixing things if I start doing something...
[17:05] <knome> you are quite late.
[17:05] <nikolam> knome, meaning, windows for many things are closed, already?
[17:05] <knome> xubuntu won't carry a patch like that, it needs to go into the ubuntu core
[17:05] <knome> yes, we're supposed to have time to fix bugs
[17:07] <knome> and do other things
[17:08] <nikolam> in meantime, medibuntu died? am I right?
[17:10] <elfy> nikolam: yes
[17:22] <nikolam> wow also clipboard on-disk list was cleaned for me after update. (parcellite) How nice of maintainer, to clear it for me...
[17:24] <TheSheep> nikolam: maybe he just moved the file?
[17:24] <TheSheep> nikolam: like from ~/.parcelite to ~/.config/parcelite or something
[17:32] <fred``> i'm running trusty and it now my NIC is only 100mbit
[17:32] <nikolam> TheSheep, yeah, for some reason old content is in ~/.local/share/parcellite/history and new one is in hist.test
[17:32] <fred``> i'm unable to change it via mii-tool
[17:34] <nikolam> fred``, maybe ubuntu-dev might be place for us to visit about prerelease ubuntus?
[17:34] <nikolam> what nic it is (lspci) and was it working right on 13.10?
[17:34] <nikolam> 32/64 bit etc
[17:36] <nikolam> BTW mine is Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5721 and is seems like stopped working after I changed motherboard and moved from 12.04 32bit to 12.10 and now 13.10 64bit
[17:36] <fred``> before i had precise and it was running at 1gbit
[17:36] <fred``> 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 03)
[17:36] <fred``> but thx - i'll ask there
[17:36] <nikolam> fred``, you need to report that bug, then, if you dont want it to be like that in LTS.
[17:37]  * nikolam is definitely lost in non-numeric names
[17:38] <Sysi> nikolam: you only need to recognize first letter, they're in alphabetical order
[17:39] <nikolam> Sysi, :)
[17:41] <starrats> nikolam how was your update/upgrade, did it go okay?
[17:43] <nikolam> starrats, it was with tons of error messages and automatic bug reporting upon first login, but I guess OK :)
[17:44] <starrats> ah okay nikolam but is it up and running or are you still tweaking it?
[17:44] <starrats> to your satisfaction.
[17:44] <nikolam> fred``, it is #ubuntu-devel actually
[17:45] <nikolam> mmm, starrats mm, I have non-working NetXtreme BCM5721 LAN but that was not working in 12.10 , aether
[17:45] <nikolam> (was working on 12.04 32bit)
[17:45] <fred``> actually it seems to be #ubuntu+1
[17:45] <starrats> ah okay nikolam
[17:45] <nikolam> fred``, sorry, wasnt on IRC for a long time.
[17:46] <fred``> np . you wanted to tell
[17:46] <nikolam> starrats, will see after one more reboot
[17:46] <starrats> ah okay nikolam, good luck!
[17:47] <kzetts> Hi, I'm having trouble changing my screen resolution. I had to use nomodeset to get cd to boot, now my gfx mode isnt available.
[17:47] <kzetts> How do I specify a new mode without xorg.conf?
[17:48] <nikolam> I used to use 12.04 LTS text install (alternate) for problematic installs, But I don't think it is made anymore.
[17:52] <nikolam> kzetts, what gfx is that (lspci)
[18:10] <nikolam> starrats, It is just interesting that update procedure from 12.10, didn't made automatic snapshot of previous subvolume state
[18:11] <starrats> ah okay and strange I would think
[18:14] <nikolam> I did snapshot manually before update, maybe he had seen it.. P
[18:16] <starrats> ah okay
[18:16] <nikolam> starrats, maybe also because there was older snapshot for updating from 12.04 to 12.10
[18:16] <starrats> ah okay
[18:19] <kzetts> nikolam: i have an intel 4500gma
[18:19] <kzetts> this is an older laptop
[19:10] <c4iff> Hey guys having a bit of issue getting new adobe reader working in xubuntu 13.04, tried installing from .deb package, but no matter what I do i still get wrong ELFClass64 from libstdc
[19:11] <knome> c4iff, any reason why you specifically need adobe reader for?
[19:12] <c4iff> knome: some PDFs I had a client send won't open without 9.0+ or greater
[19:12] <c4iff> or so says the PDF when I try and open it
[19:13] <knome> c4iff, and you can't open them with evince or some other alternative to adobe's reader?
[19:14] <c4iff> knome: I tried what was default on xubuntu, and then went the route of trying to upgrade
[19:14] <c4iff> so no, I have not tried evince
[19:14] <knome> evince is the default on xubuntu
[19:15] <c4iff> ok then I have
[19:15] <c4iff> yea just was verifying that
[19:16] <c4iff> hrrm... they embedded flash content into this pdf...
[19:17] <knome> c4iff, i don't have experience with adobe's reader on linux myself, and don't know if any other reader supports that either, so good luck
[19:41] <kRush> can I mount an unencrypted partition to my encrypted /home folder structure without problems?
[20:25] <julien-france> bonsoir! hello!
[20:25] <julien-france> y a t'il un français pour de l'aide?
[20:25] <julien-france> merci.
[20:26] <Unit193> !fr
[20:39] <ChevyCowboy15> hello
[21:04] <EugeneBandit> Hello. I want to rename my home folders (Movies, Images, etc...)
[21:04] <EugeneBandit> is there any possible issues doing that with a simple mv Movies movies ?
[21:30] <c4iff> Is there a 32 bit lib for libstdc++ for 13.10?
[21:34] <kzetts> Hi, yesterday I installed xubuntu 13.10 on a laptop from a few years ago. I had to use nomodeset to get the disk to boot. I am unable to get the machine to run at its native resolution, only 1024x768.
[21:34] <kzetts> Since there is no more xorg.conf
[21:34] <kzetts> I'm a little lost
[21:35] <kzetts> Could someone assist?
[21:35] <knome> kzetts, you can still use an xorg.conf file, it's just not used/needed by default
[21:35] <Unit193> !xorgconf
[21:36] <kzetts> oh
[21:36] <kzetts> neat
[21:36] <brainwash> kzetts: nomodeset disables KMS
[21:36] <brainwash> which graphics card do you have?
[21:37] <kzetts> intel 4500
[21:37] <kzetts> gma
[21:37] <brainwash> that's odd
[21:37] <kzetts> i know
[21:37] <brainwash> it should work ootb
[21:37] <kzetts> never had a problem with an intel card before
[21:37] <kzetts> but this one wont go above 1024x768
[21:37] <kzetts> but in windows its 1366x768
[21:37] <kzetts> ive tried creating new mode with cvt and xrandr
[21:37] <kzetts> but i get errors
[21:37] <brainwash> what happens if you skip nomodeset?
[21:38] <kzetts> black screen
[21:38] <kzetts> not like normal black, but like, no backlight on my lcd
[21:39] <brainwash> taking a look at the log files might help here
[21:39] <kzetts> well
[21:39] <kzetts> i just dropped to a root shell
[21:39] <kzetts> and ran X -configure
[21:39] <kzetts> and it give me
[21:39] <kzetts> Fatal Server error
[21:39] <kzetts> could not create lock file
[21:40] <Unit193> Dropped = Ctrl+Alt+F1 then ran  sudo service lightdm stop  ? ;)
[21:41] <brainwash> did booting the live cd also require nomodeset?
[21:41] <kzetts> i rebooted and went into recovery mode
[21:41] <kzetts> in grub
[21:41] <kzetts> then root shell
[21:41] <brainwash> oh, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[21:41] <kzetts> brainwash: yes
[21:42] <kzetts> booting the cd required it
[21:42] <kzetts> and then after install it just boots to wrong resolution
[21:42] <kzetts> and there isnt the resolution i need
[21:42] <kzetts> should i boot back into xfce?
[21:42] <kzetts> or stay in root shell?
[21:43] <brainwash> well, run "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old"
[21:43] <brainwash> and look for lines containing "EE"
[21:43] <Unit193> Hrm, I couldn't do xorg -configure as of late either, figured it was my card.
[21:44] <brainwash> the main goal is to get KMS running which gets disabled by passing nomodeset
[21:44] <kzetts> the only EE line is server terminated successfully
[21:44] <brainwash> KMS  usually sets the correct screen resolution
[21:44] <kzetts> well
[21:44] <kzetts> where should i go from here?
[21:45] <brainwash> maybe someone in #intel-gfx could assist you
[21:45] <kzetts> strange
[21:46] <brainwash> reading log files is the only thing you can do right now
[21:46] <brainwash> it's a system with hybrid graphics, right?
[21:46] <kzetts> not hybrid
[21:47] <kzetts> just regular old integrated
[21:47] <brainwash> it's not that old :)
[21:47] <kzetts> heh
[21:47] <kzetts> well
[21:47] <kzetts> its 5ish+ years old
[21:47] <brainwash> yes
[21:47] <kzetts> i just want to use this laptop for dev
[21:47] <kzetts> since my main machine has to be windows
[21:48] <kzetts> but this 1024x768 resolution is murder
[21:48] <brainwash> got a system with the same gpu and it worked since ubuntu 11.10 ootb
[21:48] <kzetts> yea
[21:48] <kzetts> and i had machines before that had no issues
[21:48] <kzetts> i also couldnt boot the ubuntu 12.04 LTS disc without nomodeset
[21:49] <brainwash> you could also ask in #xorg for help
[23:41] <nikolam> udisks-daemon is using one core 100% cou time. what can I or we do about it? (13.10 64bit)
[23:45] <nikolam> i killed a bastard