[00:14] Riddell: low fat settings has been axed btw [00:14] like a year ago [00:14] because MG was annoying me all day @pineda [00:19] hmm what is this libkubuntu0 package that muon shows to be installed but it can not be ? [00:35] soee firefox 27 was pushed to saucy [00:38] ahoneybun: waiting for trusty :/ [00:38] oh [00:42] * mamarley wishes that the Ubuntu Mozilla Team people would put out the beta releases in their PPA in a more timely fashion :( [01:13] soee: it cannot be installed? [01:14] apachelogger: muon shows stateus as "not installed" and request as "install" but if i apply vhanges it does nothing [01:15] no error but package is not installed [01:17] meh [01:17] I won't get to bed today [01:17] soee: let me think of a way to debug that [01:18] soee: can you build muon yourself real quick? [01:19] probably it will tage a little longer as i would have to install all dependencies to build a package (im after fresh install) [01:19] lets do it tomorrow :) [01:19] soee: or maybe... do the following for starters.... killall qaptworker2; killall muon-updater; kdebugdialog ... then select all and apply [01:20] then start muon-updater from a terminal, hit ctrl-r to reload the cache and try to update [01:20] paste the output from the terminal [01:22] its gone from the list [01:23] soee: does the update work? [01:23] seems so http://pastebin.com/v2s8mdG8 [01:23] muon-updater(30661) ApplicationUpdates::start: couldn't find any apt updates [01:24] soee: so it doesn't list any udpates at all? [01:24] oen second [01:24] muon-updater doesnt't show any, the package is listed in the muon thoug [01:25] ahhhhhhhhhhhh, now I get it [01:25] soee: so you try to install it via muon itself and that does not work? [01:26] nope, it finishes updates but the package is listed as to be insalled always [01:27] http://wstaw.org/w/2v2P/linki/ [01:27] most peculiar [01:29] what I don't get though... why is it listed there at all [01:29] noe idea :D [01:29] libkubuntu0 is a dependency of kde-runtime, so if the upgrade would install libkubuntu0 it would also have to upgrade kde-runtime [01:29] soee: what does apt-cache policy kde-runtime say? [01:29] can i somehow clear cache of muon or something ? [01:30] you can close muon and reopen it :P [01:30] I am not sure that would change anything tho [01:30] http://pastebin.com/C57vSiMb [01:31] this is the stranges thing in the world [01:32] this show up like 2-3 days ago [01:33] actually [01:34] no, it all makes no sense :P [01:34] soee: somehow your qapt became incapable of listing updates [01:35] oh? and others work just fine [01:35] soee: what's the output of sudo apt-get -s dist-upgrade [01:36] http://pastebin.com/eVt3xpa7 [01:37] right [01:37] not a qapt issue [01:37] phew [01:37] soee: your cache is busted [01:37] :O [01:37] soee: cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* [01:38] (note how the dist-upgrade output makes no sense, it says libkubuntu0 is installed, but then goes on saying it needs to install libkubuntu0) [01:38] http://pastebin.com/LF2USxLk [01:39] soee: you may wan to at lreast remove the kubuntu-ppa entries in there [01:39] there's definitely not particularly save packages coming in from there [01:39] and xorg-edgers is always a gamble [01:39] soee: also what's apt-get check say? [01:40] also, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install libkubuntu0 [01:40] http://pastebin.com/Zsm3rrFK [01:42] afk brushing teeth [01:42] soee: try the update install command, that might resolve the problem [01:43] looks liek it installed it: http://pastebin.com/yPXxKqd6 [01:44] but now muon button Full Upgrade is active [01:44] but if i click on it i have error message [01:44] about unment deps [01:45] oh [01:45] well [01:45] first [01:46] soee: again `sudo apt-get -s dist-upgrade` [01:46] http://pastebin.com/dw4Xxdxv [01:47] soee: sudo apt-get install -s plasma-scriptengine-javascript [01:47] ah ok so this previous package is fine now [01:48] yeah [01:48] my guess is that now some PPA is blocking the runtime stuff [01:48] s/runtime/scriptengine/ [01:48] apachelogger meant: "my guess is that now some PPA is blocking the scriptengine stuff" [01:49] uhm to beig output ot pastebin i think ;/ [01:49] *big [01:50] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6912493/ [01:53] Inst plasma-scriptengine-javascript [4:4.12.2-0ubuntu1] (4:4.12.2+git20140210+bzr18249+pkg405~ubuntu14.04.1 Kubuntu Updates:14.04/trusty [amd64]) [01:53] soee: the updates PPA has some issue [01:53] yofel: ^ [01:54] soee: maybe wait [01:54] sure [01:54] I guess yofel can find out why exactly it acts up [01:55] but basically upgrading that package would remove half the system which is why muon and dist-ugprade refuse to install it as an update [01:55] rightfully so [01:55] yup, ok its not big issue for me, im happy that the problem with the first package is gone [01:55] soee: fwiw, if you feel like not using the bzr builds, you can apt pin origin Ubuntu with a higher priority forcing your system into official package versions [01:56] thank you for your help apachelogger [01:56] I personally find it always a bit dangerous to use PPAs on the devel series [01:56] since sometimes things move so quick that brekage becomes a lot more likely with PPAs enabled ^^ [01:56] and with that I am off to bed [01:56] nini === jono is now known as Guest13828 [01:57] thanks again [06:41] guys I am using 14.04 for about 10 days now as my main/production system [06:42] what I have noticied that muon updater never pops up to inform me about updates [06:42] is this normal/expected for non-final release? [07:01] snele: I guess we are gathering feedback here: https://plus.google.com/107577785796696065138/posts/WxmRfrRTdKN [07:02] you are quite a gambler to be using an alpha release as your production system [08:01] The following packages have been kept back: [08:01] usb-modeswitch-data [09:52] Good morning. [10:06] valorie: feedback != bugs fwiw :P [10:12] * apachelogger actually wonders how shadeslayer blogged on monday but his blog says he blogged on sunday [10:12] such confusing [10:28] Riddell: kubuntu-meta migrated, ISOs are below size threshold again \o/ [10:30] apachelogger: what's the size now? [10:40] <=1gib [10:44] shadeslayer: bug 1278814 [10:44] bug 1278814 in kubuntu-driver-manager (Ubuntu) "kcm name should change" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1278814 [10:44] shadeslayer: bug 1278732 [10:44] bug 1278732 in kubuntu-driver-manager (Ubuntu) "kubuntu-driver-manager crashes while trying to refresh driver list " [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1278732 [10:44] what's akonadi? [10:49] hello [10:49] shadeslayer: bug 1278816 [10:49] bug 1278816 in kubuntu-driver-manager (Ubuntu) "crash when clicking reload two times in a row" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1278816 [10:49] hey cortexA9 [10:49] hi apachelogger [10:50] i have already that problem [10:50] at startup [10:50] boot only with 3.11 kernel [10:50] the others go on initramfs screen [10:52] apachelogger: is it a known issue? [10:53] can't confirm anyway [10:53] ~  uname -a [10:53] Linux smith 3.13.0-8-generic #27-Ubuntu SMP Fri Feb 7 02:01:37 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [10:53] cortexA9: whether it's known you'll have to ask the kernel guys [11:31] shadeslayer: bug 1278826 [11:31] bug 1278826 in kubuntu-driver-manager (Ubuntu) "selecting driver, but denying authorization bugs out state tracking" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1278826 [11:34] shadeslayer: bug 1278827 [11:34] bug 1278827 in kubuntu-driver-manager (Ubuntu) "state tracking incomplete" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1278827 [11:37] 'Morning all [11:50] apachelogger: thx [11:51] hi BluesKaj [11:52] hi cortexA9 [13:14] do we even have an alternate cd anymore?= [13:15] jussi: alternate cd is not here from 1 2 release i guess [13:15] releases [13:16] Peace-: thats what I thought... [13:16] just that lordievader called !rescue before... [13:16] !rescue [13:16] To rescue a broken system, boot the alternate install CD and select "Rescue a broken system" [13:16] does ubuntu have an alt cd ? [13:16] I figured it would point to how to boot into the rescue mode, it didn't. [13:17] jussi: i don't remember well but that option should be on normal cd [13:17] on ubuntu cd [13:17] I dont think so... [13:18] "There have been repeated failed attempts to gain access to a wallet. An application may be misbehaving." should I be worried that plasma-nm can't talk to my kwallet suddenly? [13:29] * BluesKaj doesn't bother kwallet, it's a pita for home users like me, tuning it off solves a lot of annoyances === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [14:00] Riddell: hopefully fixed dpic up [14:05] * Riddell takes a keek [14:07] sgclark: looking lovely, uploaded to experimental PPA! [14:08] thanks :) cirkuit coming soon === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - So Blue. | https://trello.com/kubuntu | 4.12.1 WIP http://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | bugs https://tinyurl.com/ovfcj78 | build status http://goo.gl/cjEFkO | ISO testing http://goo.gl/cRAawa | Discover Featured Apps http://goo.gl/OlIky1 [14:36] shadeslayer: btw, please try to make the touchpad blog post less technical ^^ [14:39] :S [14:45] Riddell, shadeslayer: I started appending stuff to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/Beta1/Kubuntu so we don't forget [14:45] great === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [14:51] phonon-backend-null_4.7.1-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb: Size mismatch what does this mean? [14:52] sgclark: glitch in the matrix? [14:52] try and apt-get update && apt-get install phonon-backend-null [14:52] happening in pbuilder, updating now [14:53] hrmm no help [14:53] remove the cache? [14:53] not sure how you do that with pbuilder [14:54] ok [14:54] rm /var/cache/pbuilder/aptcache/* [14:54] nah [14:54] apt-get clean [14:54] one does not delete the cache manually :P [14:55] but how you run that for pbuilder? [14:55] it doesn't use the normal apt cache [14:55] pbuilder --clean might help [15:04] apt-get clean did nthing, will try that [15:06] nope, hmm [15:07] W: GPG error: http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com trusty Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key [15:11] Riddell: usuallly pbuilder will share the apt cache unless explicitly told not to [15:11] so cleaning the host will clean it for pbuilder as well [15:11] oh? so what is /var/cache/pbuilder/aptcache/ for? [15:12] hardlinks [15:12] that being said, if you were to use different partitions for the various caches it would also not be shared [15:12] shadeslayer: http://i.imgur.com/gzmL8ss.png can we get a screenshot there somehow? [15:14] apachelogger: of what? [15:16] apachelogger: I propose https://scontent-a-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/p206x206/168621_192469560772608_4286474_n.jpg [15:17] better than the red thing for sure [15:17] shadeslayer: kdevelop or qt creator with some codez [15:17] or vim for all I care [15:17] something code anyway [15:17] ack [15:17] or [15:17] snapshot of techbase [15:17] cleaned host and pbuilder with --autocleanaptcache fixed one phonon package but not another is broken. weird... [15:18] shadeslayer: ask apol whether we could simply make discover display the icon when no screnshot could be loaded [15:18] that would resolve this ugly red thing for most apps [15:18] apachelogger: apol says that it's wrong to not have a screenshot [15:19] we could just reuse the kdevelop screenshot? [15:19] if it is a nice one [15:19] just need something there, that red thing looks terribad [15:20] add a card [15:20] or report a bug [15:20] and assign to me [15:20] report a card [15:20] ^^ [15:20] card a report [15:20] no wait [15:20] THIS IS SILLY [15:20] * apachelogger slaps shadeslayer with a fish and bugs a card [15:21] also one wonders why that package is 46k [15:21] much confusion has been had [15:22] ::workspace-bugs:: [1278912] Wrong graph legend for network manager @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1278912 (by Hồng Quân) [15:23] Size: 2764 [15:23] very peculiar how disocver gets that value [15:23] oh well [15:23] * apachelogger quickly forgets about it again before this ends in a bug hunt [15:36] * apachelogger afk [15:46] apachelogger: where do I leave comments about policy? [15:47] e-mail? here? edit the wiki? [15:48] Riddell: apachelogger http://paste.kde.org/pycfeqxpt [15:51] Riddell: can you upload tomahawk for me [15:51] link to dsc coming up in 5 minutes [15:52] shadeslayer: it's a wiki plz apply random fixer00 :P [15:53] shadeslayer: Whenever upstream does not approve of a patch on the basis of technical problems, it must not be included or must be removed. There is no exception to this rule. [15:53] hmm, that seems quite unflexible [15:54] that's the point of it [15:54] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+files/tomahawk_0.7.0%2Bdfsg1-0ubuntu1%7Eppa1.dsc [15:54] apachelogger: sure, I understand that, but we've broken that policy before [15:54] becaue if you patch shit and upstream does not agree then you are effectively forking the upstream software [15:54] sometimes upstream can be wrong? [15:54] shadeslayer: the present version of the maverick policy was never approved I think [15:55] Riddell: then you are to fork the upstream software [15:55] or convince upstream of their wrongful ways [15:56] ooh ahoneybun getting into packaging? [15:56] shadeslayer: these are the same items or separate? * Update copyright file a bit * Add LGPL-2.1 license [15:56] Riddell: separate [15:57] Riddell: complete copy of the license was missing [15:57] so I added it [15:57] apachelogger: right, we had a policy in theory, just not written down that we don't ship patches unless approved by upstream [15:57] apachelogger: yet we shipped the kwallet patch [15:57] it was written down [15:57] when upstream had a differing opinion [15:57] it was not approved [15:57] apachelogger: fine, my point remains [15:57] effectively we did not have a policy [15:57] shadeslayer: yes, and doing that caused tention with upstream developers [15:58] right so even if upstream differs in opinion we don't ship said patch? [15:58] which is why the rewrite of the policy is as undynamic as it is (the previous version also wasn't exactly flexible ^^) [15:58] shadeslayer: exactly [15:58] or you official fork upstream [15:58] making yourself upstream [15:58] apachelogger: does that mean post new policy we remove the kwallet patch then ? [15:59] which will also create social problems but if there is technical failure I get to call people names [15:59] shadeslayer: yes, I thought we had done that already? [15:59] we have? [16:00] last fortnight QA yielded kwallet init dialogs [16:00] (and IIRC the dialog actually defaulted to gpg which was a bit odd in itself ^^) [16:00] ack [16:00] cool then, but I'd clarify in policy tbh [16:00] Whenever upstream does not approve of a patch on the basis of technical problems, it must not be included or must be removed. There is no exception to this rule. [16:01] I think that's pretty clear? :P [16:01] apachelogger: what about a difference of opinion on how said upstream software should behave [16:01] Whenever upstream does not approve of a patch on the basis of technical problems, it must not be included or must be removed. There is no exception to this rule. [16:01] note that last sentence [16:01] I see [16:01] ok [16:02] apachelogger: - Clarify if software in Extragear and scratch repos counts as official KDE Software [16:02] anything on the KDE infra counts as KDE Software? [16:03] I would rather think so, yes [16:03] any software which comes from KDE [16:03] only kde related nonsense ought to go there [16:03] which could be outside the kde infrastructure according to the manifesto (but not anything so far) [16:04] alright, what happened to Patch type C? [16:04] so everything on kde infra is nonsenese related to KDE, thus KDE may feel responsible or not [16:04] if they do, then hooray, if not then oh well [16:04] shadeslayer: what do you mean? [16:04] ah [16:04] shadeslayer: type d is d because of DANGER [16:04] xD [16:05] quite literally when I read the old policy again the first thing that popped to mind when reading that last patch type description was a danger sign with a godzillion exclamation marks ^^ [16:07] Riddell: yeah, of course that part of the manifesto makes it impossibru to generally identify such software, so I think if we just hold on to either hosted on git.kde or using bugs.kde we have a pretty good ruleset for identification [16:08] which would also have covered amarok during the git migration through gitorious as bugs were still handled on bugs.kde [16:08] equally kaffeine I think was developed on sf.net but bugs on kde [16:09] Quintasan: fancy packaging ktp 0.7.1 ? [16:09] Riddell: How long till Freeze? I might want to get it into Debian if it's not there. [16:10] um, no rush I think [16:10] Riddell: I'll start working on it then [16:10] Quintasan: it's packaged [16:10] I haven't QA'd it [16:11] eh [16:11] shadeslayer: for Ubuntu or Debian? [16:11] youboontoo [16:11] https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly?field.series_filter=trusty [16:11] ooh groovy [16:12] if anyone wants to, plz test and upload ^^ [16:13] Quintasan: can you test? [16:14] Riddell: Certainly [16:14] shadeslayer: How about you do that for Debian and poke me or detrout so we can just sync in then [16:14] Riddell: how do I revert a part of a pushed commit? [16:14] Quintasan: ENOTIME today [16:14] Riddell: in bzr ofcourse [16:14] shadeslayer: I'm talking about future occurences [16:14] Quintasan: sure [16:15] Splendid. [16:15] shadeslayer: bzr uncommit (can't do part as far as I know) [16:18] ffffuuuuu [16:18] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/165569934/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-amd64.cmake_2.8.12.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04.1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [16:20] why are you building cmake for precise? [16:20] Riddell: kde-workspace won't build without cmake from trusty [16:21] hmm gosh [16:22] Riddell: FWIW I'm doing KF5 [16:22] possibly using scripts [16:23] lets see how that goes [16:23] shadeslayer: alpha 1? awesomeness [16:23] yeah [16:23] adapting the kubuntu-automation script would seem the way to go [16:23] *nod* [16:24] ::workspace-bugs:: [1278912] Wrong graph legend for network manager @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1278912 (by Hồng Quân) [16:57] Riddell: I don't reckon you have a mapping of KDE source names to Kubuntu source names [17:04] yofel: ping [17:04] shadeslayer: for kf5? they should all be the same except attica [17:04] okay [17:05] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6916031/ [17:06] sgclark: tsk clashing files, that can just be renamed at install time [17:06] Riddell: do you have a clue how bzr-buildpackage works? [17:07] i.e. where it looks for the orig tarball [17:07] shadeslayer: it works multiple ways and looks in multiple places for the orig tar [17:07] Riddell: locally? [17:07] yes locally first, and in the bzr branch for UDD branches, then it'll fall back on debian/watch I think [17:07] right, but where locally [17:07] locally it just looks in .. I think [17:08] it'll also try to apt-get source [17:08] shadeslayer: if you try to refresh list of drivers in kubuntu-driver-manager whole system settings app crashes :) [17:08] soee: yeah known issue [17:09] ah ok :) anyway looks nice so far [17:09] soee: only when you hit it twice though right? [17:09] Riddell: patch the source or is there a way to rename in debian files? [17:09] shadeslayer: ee i run it first time it fetched list of drivers, i clicked to refresch and crash [17:09] mmm that's pretty bad [17:09] weird how it worked when I released it >.> [17:10] soee: I have a backtrace, I need to rework large parts and update [17:10] shadeslayer: it will land by default in 14.04 ? [17:10] yep [17:10] ok, nice [17:10] sgclark: I think I'd do it by overriding the install rule and mv the file before running dh_install [17:12] ok [17:12] i have also some new entry in sys-settings called Diagnostic [17:12] is it also new ? [17:14] soee: yep [17:21] agateau: well my attempts to remaster an image with your ubiquity patches on it have failed to got something I can boot my computer from, works ok on a virtual machine but it doesn't run the first pre-login screen [17:21] I can't find any logs to say that it's even trying so it might just be my remastering that's broken [17:22] currently I'm thinking it'll be easiest to just upload it and see what breaks [17:22] oem installer still works and with a nice background now [17:22] new partition bar is pretty but could do with some more testage [17:24] Riddell: you might want to start working on attica [17:25] Riddell: patches fail to apply [17:25] same for frameworkintegration [17:28] pourquoi moi? [17:28] shadeslayer: you can just remove both patched [17:28] I sent them upstream [17:28] kapidox.install is empty? [17:29] it's a 1 .deb package I think [17:29] not needed [17:29] frameworkintegration fix_icons_path.diff can go, I think the other patch is still needed [17:29] I'm saying that you have a debian/kapidox.install :) [17:30] yes, you can just remove it [17:33] Riddell: was Rename-CheckXML-to-resolve-conflict.diff forwarded? [17:35] shadeslayer: yep [17:36] Riddell: Rename-manpages-to-resolve-conflict-with-kde4.diff ? [17:37] shadeslayer: also upstream [17:40] 14.04 will use lightdm? There were some rumors that it will be replaced (maybe when KF5 shows up)? [17:41] it won't be replaced in 14.04 [17:41] we hope to go with whatever upstream chooses after that, SDDM is the competition [17:41] Riddell: hello :) [17:41] hi cortexA9 [17:41] Riddell: ok good to know [17:44] Riddell: rename_dbus.diff in Solid? [17:44] Riddell: cirkuit ready [17:44] sgclark: upstream [17:44] no [17:44] shadeslayer: upstream [17:44] ? [17:44] ok [17:45] sgclark: will look in a sec [17:47] Riddell: no-install-dbus-interfaces.diff for kglobalaccel? [17:47] shadeslayer: upstreamed [17:47] they've all been upstreamed, I've been a good boy :) [17:47] oh, so drop all patches then? [17:47] hmm well maybe the kauth ones were after the alpha [17:48] Riddell: I belive upstreamed too [17:56] Riddell: plz have a look at attica [17:56] I am unsure about those patches [17:56] shadeslayer: they've both gone upstream [17:57] same for kio? [17:59] shadeslayer: yep [17:59] shadeslayer: pong? [18:00] sgclark: comments http://paste.kde.org/pzjwo5bpd [18:00] yofel: nvm [18:00] k [18:04] Riddell: package name does not match so-name is reason to split. putting executable in lib package seemed wrong [18:05] Riddell: uploading first set of packages [18:05] Riddell: still need to work through a few of them [18:06] Riddell: it would not build without dpic [18:07] Riddell: scratch last one [18:08] Riddell: lost me on #9, I never saw that [18:13]