[00:29] <tin-sat> am new user i want to install asterisk what should i download Ubuntu Server or Ubuntu Desktop?
[00:30] <sarnold> ubuntu-desktop will come with networkmanager installed by default, which will complicate just setting up a machine on a given IP address. you can do it with either, but the server version won't have networkmanager and might be less effort to configure as a result.
[00:34] <tin-sat> so what would you choose and can i install the networkmanager on ubuntu server
[00:42] <sarnold> tin-sat: I'd chose server, and I'd chose to not install networkmanager :)
[01:01] <tin-sat> tnx a lot sarnold
[01:01] <sarnold> tin-sat: have fun :)
[02:42] <jeevanus> is android sdk for developing desktop application or 1ly for mobile and tablet apps?
[05:38] <mmazing> i'm looking to learn more about how the dbus system works, can anyone recommend a book/website that can help out? there doesn't seem to be much out there, im trying to break down the datetime-indicator-service but it's a bit complicated and i'm just recently jumping back into C development
[05:39] <mmazing> i basically want to make something with a custom dbus menu like the datetime indicator
[05:55] <mmazing> answered my own question i think : package libdbusmenu-gtk-doc
[08:34] <dholbach> good morning
[09:24] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Get Out Your Guitar Day! \m/
[09:29] <nik90> I need someone to review https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/differentiate-clock-faces/+merge/205507 for me
[09:29] <nik90> Good morning everyone
[11:44] <WebbyIT> mhall119, hi :-) In this page code has a wrong indentation: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.04/QtQuick.GridMesh/
[13:27] <mhall119> WebbyIT: thanks, can you file a bug on http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-api-website so I don't forget it?
[13:27] <WebbyIT> mhall119, yes, sure!
[13:57] <ybon> what would be the best way to add C++ modules in a qml based app? Adding a ./modules with the C++ files plus referencing the folder in the .qmlproject "importPath" settings is ok?
[14:01] <nik90> WebbyIT: if you got time, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/differentiate-clock-faces/+merge/205507 and https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/prep-new-design-part1/+merge/205774 for me
[14:01] <WebbyIT> nik90, going :-)
[14:01]  * nik90 hugs WebbyIT
[14:09] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: what was your way to restart unity8 with testability enabled ? the one i was using doesn't seem to be working anymore
[14:18] <WebbyIT> nik90, mhhh, I find a bug not related to your branch, can you confirm please?
[14:18] <WebbyIT> bug #1278890
[14:18] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1278890 in Ubuntu Clock App "In timer page, if you start a preset after the end of previous timer, doesn' t work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1278890
[14:22] <WebbyIT> nik90,
[14:22] <WebbyIT> https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/differentiate-clock-faces/+merge/205507/comments/481941
[14:23] <nik90> WebbyIT: will take a look at both
[14:25] <nik90> WebbyIT: bug confirmed
[15:45] <nik90> WebbyIT: fixed your comments in both the Mps
[15:46] <nik90> WebbyIT: however I couldn't fix the timer comment
[15:50] <WebbyIT> nik90, mhh, I have some problem to runs apps on device :/ It's not related to your branch, but do you have any idea?
[15:50] <WebbyIT> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6915656/
[15:51] <nik90> WebbyIT: yup I get the same errror :(
[15:51] <nik90> WebbyIT: seems like an update to qtcreator-ubuntu-plugin is causing this issue
[15:51] <nik90> bzoltan1: ^^
[15:51] <nik90> bzoltan1: looks like an update is blocking up from running apps on the phone through qtcreator
[15:52] <WebbyIT> uff... nik90 ok, I'll wait this evening, I want to try your branch on device before approve them. If for this evening there is no fix, I'll appove them anyway
[15:53] <nik90> WebbyIT: good call
[16:14] <om26er> boiko, so we have 2 branches to land
[16:14] <om26er> https://code.launchpad.net/~iahmad/dialer-app/smart-dialing-test/+merge/205706
[16:15] <om26er> https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/dialer-app/add_new_tests/+merge/202732
[16:20] <boiko> om26er: yep, I will try to get those reviewed today still
[16:21] <om26er> boiko, i have reviewed the first one, if it matters, the second one definitely needs a good look
[16:22] <boiko> om26er: yep, I will do that in one hour or so
[17:03] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: bfiller: whenver you have some time, this needs a look: https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/camera-app/camera-app-use-timestamp/+merge/205755
[17:04] <bfiller> nerochiaro: ok
[18:24] <bzoltan1> nik90: let me check it
[18:27] <WebbyIT> bzoltan1, I just updated and I have no more problems...
[18:27] <WebbyIT> Setting up qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu-common (2.8.1.1bzr85saucy0) ...
[18:27] <WebbyIT> Setting up qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu (2.8.1.1bzr85saucy0)
[18:28] <bzoltan1> WebbyIT: yes, that is what I thought.Sorry guys, we were rolling out couple of changes today...
[18:28] <WebbyIT> bzoltan1, np, now works well and this it the important :-)
[18:30] <bzoltan1> WebbyIT: cool :) I hope you guys like the Packaging tab with the facelift ... the integrated review tool is fun... it will get better in the following days. And the latest emulator tweaks are heading to the releasing stage too
[18:31] <WebbyIT> bzoltan1, woow, thanks :-)
[18:31]  * WebbyIT goes to see new packaging tab
[18:31] <bzoltan1> WebbyIT:  feedbacks are appreciated :) we have way too few bug reports
[18:33] <bzoltan1> WebbyIT: but the real deal is the cmake project support and the click chroot builder ... Now developers can actually create QML + C++ apps and crosscompile in the SDK ... and push the package to the emulator and see it there.
[18:33] <WebbyIT> bzoltan1, yes, sure, but you guys are doing a great job, I have nothing to complain :)
[18:35] <bzoltan1> WebbyIT: thanks :) finally the the 's' at the and of "you guys" is correct :) zbenjamin gave a good push to this work
[18:36] <WebbyIT> great :-)
[18:37]  * nik90 updates the qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu
[18:39]  * ybon too
[18:41] <ybon> bzoltan1: nice, I confirm that package tab changing maintainer value is fixed, thanks! :)
[18:41] <nik90> bzoltan1: yup it works perfectly now after the update :)
[18:42] <nik90> ybon: wow I just noticed :)
[18:42] <nik90> awesome!!!!!
[18:42] <nik90> 7:31 PM <bzoltan1> WebbyIT: feedbacks are appreciated :) we have way too few bug reports
[18:42] <nik90> bzoltan1: ^^ be careful what you wish for :P
[18:43] <nik90> It will be my pleasure to overwhelm you with bug reports
[18:43] <bzoltan1> ybon: baby steps :)
[18:44] <bzoltan1> nik90: unleash the bug reports :)
[19:05] <nik90> mhall119: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-api-website/+bug/1279015
[19:05] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1279015 in Ubuntu API Website "QML API should be properly indented and color coded in a tablular form" [Undecided,New]
[19:10] <WebbyIT> nik90, approved both \o/
[19:12] <mhall119> thanks nik90
[19:12] <WebbyIT> Ehi Mihir o/ If you have time, could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/20140211/+merge/205752? Thanks!
[19:12] <Mihir> WebbyIT: sure i'll do it i am not on Linux right now as on Office machine
[19:12] <Mihir> WebbyIT: i need to review two MRs I'll do that by today EOD
[19:13] <WebbyIT> Mihir, good, thanks :-)
[19:19] <nik90> WebbyIT: thnx
[19:19] <nik90> mhall119: more incoming :-)
[19:24] <mhall119> nik90: bring 'em on
[19:24] <mhall119> :)
[19:46] <m-b-o> ping balloons
[19:46] <balloons> hey m-b-o :-)
[19:46] <m-b-o> heyho!
[19:47] <m-b-o> I've tried to add a long timeout to the shortcuts tests, without luck
[19:48] <m-b-o> balloons: I guess it cannot be fixed in the tests alone. Or what do you think?
[19:55] <balloons> m-b-o, what's the mp again?
[19:55] <balloons> did you see david's note about wanting to land the weather branch today?
[19:55] <m-b-o> https://code.launchpad.net/~martin-borho/ubuntu-weather-app/keyboard-shortcuts
[19:56] <m-b-o> yes
[19:57] <balloons> ahh.. I see I already had this up, lol
[19:58] <m-b-o> balloons: great! :)
[19:59] <balloons> okk, yes I'm remembering now
[20:00] <balloons> m-b-o, so _open_location_manager should check and ensure the location manager appears
[20:00] <m-b-o> yes
[20:01] <balloons> let's look at the other failure
[20:01] <balloons> I'm not sure on the other ones.. off the top, not sure
[20:01] <m-b-o> balloons all are the same, like no keyboard shortcuts were pressed
[20:02] <balloons> mm.. yea, watching the vids
[20:02] <m-b-o> it's always the first assert after the keyboard press_and_release which fails
[20:03] <balloons> right you are
[20:04] <m-b-o> and if you look at the jenkins logs, you see that there are registered X11 keyboard pressings
[20:05] <m-b-o> "Releasing keys 'Ctrl+n' with delay 0.200000" etc pp
[20:05] <balloons>  right
[20:06] <balloons> m-b-o, does autopilot-sandbox-run work for you? I remember you mentioning having issues with it
[20:06] <m-b-o> no, the same issues like in jenkins
[20:06] <balloons> m-b-o, well they are run very simi;ar
[20:09] <balloons> ok, so we can reproduce easily enough then
[20:14] <balloons> m-b-o, so there is still some things that need tweaked in the tests
[20:14] <balloons> as I said, we should check for the location manager to appear for instance.
[20:14] <balloons> m-b-o, on the keyboard shortcuts not registering, I'll try increasing delay
[20:15] <m-b-o> balloons: we check for the locationmanager does appear
[20:16] <balloons> _open_location_manager doesn't, and the select after it assumes the object exists
[20:16] <balloons> the delay didn't help :-(
[20:18] <ybon> How can I add/notify the missing <voicemail> info of my provider in /usr/share/mobile-broadband-provider-info/serviceproviders.xml ?
[20:18] <ybon> ah https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mobile-broadband-provider-info :)
[20:23] <balloons> well, m-b-o I suppose you can release with the tests disabled
[20:24] <balloons> since they will not be running on the desktop.. but we should file a bug to find out why they won't run in Xvfb. how's that sound?
[20:24] <balloons> *lol, I meant since they won't be running on the phone
[20:24] <balloons> m-b-o, so basically, we'll open the bug, disable the tests and reference the bug report
[20:24] <m-b-o> balloons: great!
[20:25] <m-b-o> balloons: can I add @skip?
[20:25] <balloons> m-b-o, yea, just reference the bug in the skip
[20:26] <m-b-o> okay. the MP does have to wait for the TWC branch anyways (and will conflict with the changed autopilt tests there)
[20:26] <balloons> it's bizarre it doesn't work, but we don't need to hold things up any longer for it.. it works on the desktop.. I'd just rather have the coverage and testing continue
[20:26] <m-b-o> makes sense for me
[20:27] <m-b-o> balloons: added check for the LocationManager
[20:28] <balloons> m-b-o, perfect. Sorry you had such issues
[20:28] <m-b-o> nevermind
[20:28] <m-b-o> it would have been boring ;)
[20:35] <VP7> i am trying to download emualtore for Ubuntu sdk. i am getting this erro E: Unable to locate package android-emulator
[20:37] <m-b-o> balloons: you'll open a bug?
[20:37] <sarnold> VP7: some instructions are here: http://davidplanella.org/ubuntu-emulator-quickstart-guide/#
[20:39] <VP7> i m trying from Ubuntu SDK.. there is a option in Devices..
[20:40] <balloons> m-b-o, if you can, that would be useful
[20:40] <m-b-o> balloons: where?
[20:41] <balloons> so wait, did you file or ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app/+filebug
[20:41] <m-b-o> okay, Ill do
[20:41] <m-b-o> balloons: thanks for you help! :)
[20:43] <balloons> m-b-o, :-) no problem. sorry we didn't solve the issue
[20:47] <m-b-o> balloons: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app/+bug/1279073
[20:47] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1279073 in Ubuntu Weather App "Autopilot test with keyboard shortcuts failing in autopilot-sandbox-run and jenkins" [Undecided,New]
[21:05] <bzoltan1> VP7:  have you tried the latest SDK release? It has inbuilt emulator support
[21:07] <bzoltan1> VP7: ehh... I think you are on Saucy or Precise, right?
[21:19] <bzoltan1> VP7: I am fixing the missing dependencies in the SDK PPA right now... Sorry for the trouble. We are in the middle of rolling out a major facelift on the SDK tools
[21:23] <zbenjamin> bzoltan1: ok :)
[21:25] <bzoltan1> hello zbenjamin
[21:26] <nik90> bzoltan1: I noticed that when I press "Create package" in the packaging tab, I notice the small popup at the botom right which says, "Click Reviewing tool..", but it does not post any output to the console. So I am not sure when the process has completed.
[21:27] <zbenjamin> bzoltan1: hey
[21:29] <bzoltan1> nik90: when you press the "Create package" button you should see the "General Messages" blinking and when you click there you see the build logs ... if the Validation area does not show the review json data then the .click package is not created
[21:30] <nik90> bzoltan1: Where do I see the "General Messages" blinking thing?
[21:31] <nik90> bzoltan1: here is what I see http://imgur.com/xwKa0LY
[21:31] <bzoltan1> nik90: onthe bottom of the QtCreator. If it is not there... then click on the icon with up and down arrow
[21:32] <bzoltan1> nik90: you do not have the validation tool installed
[21:32] <bzoltan1> nik90: but the package build logs are in the "General Messages" window ... number 6 on your picture
[21:33] <nik90> bzoltan1: ah I see it now
[21:33] <nik90> bzoltan1: I see the console output
[21:33] <nik90> [22:32:31]
[21:33] <nik90> Package has been created to
[21:33] <nik90> [22:32:31] /home/krnekhelesh/Documents/Ubuntu-Projects/Flashback/com.ubuntu.developer.nik90.flashback_0.3_all.click
[21:33] <nik90> [22:32:31] /usr/share/qtcreator/ubuntu/scripts/qtc_project_click_create finished with code 0
[21:33] <nik90> bzoltan1: I thought the output would appear in the console that you see in the right pane of the packaging tab
[21:33] <bzoltan1> nik90: that is cool... but you do not have the validation tool installed ... let's getthat fixed
[21:34] <nik90> bzoltan1: Is the validation tool not recommended by the qtcreator-ubuntu-plugin? Do I have to install it manually?
[21:35] <bzoltan1> nik90: it exist only for Trusty at the moment ... it is the click-reviewers-tools
[21:35] <nik90> bzoltan1: ah okay
[21:35] <nik90> bzoltan1: yeah I am on 13.10 still
[21:35] <nik90> :)
[21:36] <bzoltan1> the qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu suggests: click-reviewers-tools
[21:36] <bzoltan1> nik90: let me see if it is a trivial backport
[21:37] <nik90> bzoltan1: apt-cache search click-reviewers-tool reveals that there is such a tool. Does this mean the backport to 13.10 is already done?
[21:37] <bzoltan1> nik90:  seems so ... strange that the dist-upgrade  did not pull it for you
[21:40] <nik90> bzoltan1: I see the output now :) after installing that package from the SDK PPA
[21:40] <bzoltan1> nik90: nice :)
[21:41] <bzoltan1> nik90: zbenjamin will give some love to that output to be more quite and focus on errors/warnings
[21:41] <nik90> bzoltan1: yup I saw a bug report about that :)
[22:16] <ybon> I'm not sure to understand differences of use between .pro and .project files. Do I need to switch to .pro if I want to integrate some c++ in my app?
[22:16] <nik90> ybon: I am not sure if you have to switch to .pro. But I have noticed c++ apps have .pro instead of .project files
[22:17] <ybon> yeah, I've noticed this too, but I don't understand why at the moment ;)
[22:17]  * nik90 looks at some basic apps created for the showdown 2013
[22:18] <ybon> What I'm trying to achieve is make my own plugin for QtLocation, just as https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtlocation/source/0b36e73112b099090f5dcbbc21d172dcc7c97f30:src/plugins/geoservices/osm
[22:19] <ybon> but I don't get how to reference the cpp files from the .project file
[22:19] <ybon> I've tried to add it on importPath key, but without success atm
[22:20] <nik90> ybon: okay here's what I saw from an app called "Saucy Bacon" created for the ubuntu app showdown 2013.
[22:20] <nik90> It had one basic C++ plugin to help save images
[22:20] <nik90> the developer uses .qmlproject file but also makes use of cmake to help with building and running the app
[22:20] <ybon> this one https://github.com/random-cpp/saucybacon ?
[22:20] <nik90> I am guessing you should be able to to do it
[22:20] <nik90> and yes that's the one
[22:21] <nik90> It is essentially a QML Plugin
[22:22] <ybon> the think I find weird is that c++ needs to be compiled before as per mentioned in the README
[22:22] <ybon> I though QtCreator was able to do that at runtime
[22:22] <ybon> (but maybe I'm just wrong)
[22:22] <nik90> that's how c++ plugins work
[22:22] <nik90> if you notice the SDK has qml plugins as well
[22:22] <nik90> they are precompiled
[22:22] <nik90> which we then use in our QML apps
[22:23] <ybon> ok
[22:23] <nik90> Qtcreator has support now for building the packages for armf architecture right from your desktop
[22:23] <nik90> dont ask me how..I am not a c++ person :)
[22:23] <ybon> I'm aware c++ as to be compiled, but I though at dev time QtCreator was doing some wizardries to make our lives easier ;)
[22:24] <nik90> well if you use the .pro file, it will list the file paths to qtcreator which will help build the app and then run it for you
[22:25] <ybon> ah
[22:25] <ybon> well, let's try the .pro way, so :)
[22:25] <nik90> :)
[22:27] <ybon> this was the example I was trying to follow, till now: https://github.com/Clepto/cnotes-ubuntu-touch/blob/master/CNotes.qmlproject
[22:28] <nik90> ah
[22:28] <ybon> ah, this also need manual precompiling
[22:29] <nik90> I really think there should be a sample ubuntu project with a basic qml plugin to provide a starting point for people like us
[22:29]  * nik90 goes to report a bug report about this
[22:31] <ybon> I still need to tame the wild project "Project ERROR: Project has no top-level .qmake.conf file." ;)
[22:35] <ybon> added a dummy one (from qtlocation itself)
[22:36] <nik90> https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1279109
[22:36] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1279109 in qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu "Provide a sample ubuntu project with a qml c++ plugin" [Undecided,New]
[22:36] <nik90> feel free to confirm it
[22:38] <ybon> I've clicked on "affect me"
[22:38] <ybon> I'm having a look at the plugins in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml
[22:38] <nik90> good idea
[22:38] <ybon> they all have plugins.qmltypes and qmldir
[22:39] <ybon> so adding a .qmake.conf and running qmake, now I have a Makefile created on my plugin folder
[22:40] <ybon> I've a cpp error running "make" which is a good point at the end :p
[22:44] <bzoltan1> ybon: In the latest QtC from the SDK PPA there is a "QML Extension Library + Tabbed UI" Check that out. It is a cmake project
[22:45] <ybon> great thanks :)
[22:45] <bzoltan1> ybon: you will need to create a click chroot in the Tools -> Options ... -> Ubuntu
[22:45] <ybon> Though I think I'm now lost in conflict between versions of QtLocation :s
[22:45] <bzoltan1> ybon: that will take some time
[22:45] <ybon> ah
[22:46] <bzoltan1> ybon: after you have created a click chroot (preferable trusty and armhf) you can just simple right click on the project and build+package your app what will have a QML plugin
[22:47] <ybon> sounds great
[22:47] <bzoltan1> ybon: at the moment the project structure should look like as the template does ... but you will get the whole picture
[22:47] <ybon> but I'm not seeing any "chroot" menu in Tools -> Ubuntu
[22:47] <bzoltan1> ybon: feel free to file bugs and/or ask  me or zbenjamin
[22:47] <bzoltan1> ybon: Tools -> Options ...
[22:48] <ybon> oh
[22:48] <ybon> thanks :)
[22:48] <bzoltan1> np
[22:50] <ybon> (ah paste.ubuntu.com seems having problems)
[22:51] <ybon> bzoltan1: https://gist.github.com/yohanboniface/9d947a7ae69f67c7ee0a I guess I'm missing some python package?
[22:53] <ybon> humm, Chroot click-ubuntu-sdk-13.10-armhf does not exist
[22:55] <ybon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1260487 maybe
[22:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1260487 in click (Ubuntu) "click chroot requires debootstrap" [Low,Fix released]
[22:55] <ybon> no, I have rebootstrap already
[23:00] <ybon> ah, sounds like I've run on Saucy by error, given the name of the missing file
[23:21] <ybon> The click target was created successfully \o/
[23:33] <ybon> damn, the "QML Extension Library + Tabbed UI" template is far from the default QML one I've used, full of CMakeList.txt, I'm better to start a new one a reintegrate my code I think :)
[23:34] <ybon> bzoltan1: also, there is a strange ../../../../../usr/ that has been created
[23:35] <ybon> http://imgur.com/5NgcbHn
[23:35] <sarnold> cute :)
[23:41] <ybon> :)
[23:42] <ybon> I'm unable to run the project atm, I'm asked about a missing executable, and I must confess I don't see any entry point (no .project, no .desktop, no .pro)
[23:43] <ybon> (I've tried to "build" but without any visible output)
[23:48] <ybon> If I "run in chroot": You do not have permission to access the schroot service.
[23:48] <ybon> should I run QtC in sudo? :s
[23:49] <sarnold> ybon: your user account probably needs to be in a specific group to use schroot
[23:50] <sarnold> ybon: find the groups= line in your /etc/schroot/whatever.conf file to figure out which group
[23:50] <ybon> ah, nice, thanks
[23:51] <sarnold> ybon: then use adduser <user> <group> to add your user account to the group. then, probably logout/login is fastest way to make sure that change is propogated..
[23:51] <sarnold> (you could just use sg or newgrp in a shell that you use to start the QtC...)
[23:52] <ybon> can the group be "sbuild"?
[23:53] <ybon> I've many groups line, one per section, with changing values from sbuild, to root, or mix of both
[23:53] <ybon> also sbuilds-security
[23:54] <sarnold> ybon: ah, check in /etc/schroot/chroot.d/ for the corresponding configuration file..
[23:55] <ybon> ah, yep
[23:56] <ybon> no groups :s
[23:56] <ybon> users=root,root
[23:57] <ybon> here is the file https://gist.github.com/yohanboniface/94e432e185d3e7a6058c