| MavKen | my neighbor is on my wifi... is there anything I can do to scare him? | 01:38 |
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| sarnold | best would be to fix your wiki. | 01:39 |
| sarnold | manipulating his traffic while it goes through your network may introduce legal liabilities. best to just shut it down and be done with it. | 01:40 |
| MavKen | ok | 01:41 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 05:37 |
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| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 09:01 |
| Laney | morning! | 09:04 |
| larsu | morning! | 09:05 |
| Laney | hey larsu, wie gehts? | 09:08 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, larsu, how are you? | 09:09 |
| Laney | happy that I work from home ;-) | 09:09 |
| Laney | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet | 09:10 |
| seb128 | haha | 09:10 |
| Laney | otherwise good! you? | 09:10 |
| larsu | Laney: good thanks! | 09:11 |
| seb128 | I'm ok, I got a cold a friday which is slightly annoying, but I'm slowly getting over it, it seems | 09:11 |
| Laney | oh I wanted to show you something ... | 09:14 |
| Laney | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1276699/comments/2 | 09:14 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1276699 in ofono (Ubuntu) "scan-for-operator script fails: org.ofono.Error.Failed: Operation failed" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 09:14 |
| Laney | " we currently only support automatic network registration, and thus scanning is forbidden." | 09:14 |
| seb128 | shrug, kenvandine said it used to work! | 09:15 |
| Laney | it did | 09:15 |
| seb128 | ok, so the title is misleading ;-) | 09:15 |
| Laney | so do we need to take that feature out ... | 09:15 |
| seb128 | but "good", it's not our fault | 09:15 |
| seb128 | yeah, I'm going to talk to them though | 09:16 |
| seb128 | that one seems like a basic feature, it sucks to take it out | 09:16 |
| Laney | I'm pretty sure it did work before | 09:16 |
| Laney | so maybe he is mistaken | 09:16 |
| seb128 | though I've to admit in practice autoconnect is probably good enough for most users | 09:16 |
| seb128 | yeah | 09:16 |
| Laney | I had to use it in the usa last time because roaming didn't work | 09:17 |
| seb128 | let's talk to awe or rsalveti when they are online | 09:17 |
| Laney | k, /me patch pilots | 09:17 |
| seb128 | Laney, enjoy! | 09:17 |
| seb128 | larsu, don't bother arguing with that guy on the evince bug, I guess he's going to be happy enough once the keybindings issue is resolved | 09:18 |
| Laney | after the über dist-upgrade of doom | 09:18 |
| seb128 | I saw all indicators landed, I wonder if that comes with any new bug | 09:18 |
| * seb128 starts update-manager | 09:18 | |
| larsu | seb128: I'm not arguing, but trying to explain. I wonder why F10 doesn't open the menu on unity anymore... | 09:20 |
| seb128 | larsu, because there is no cog menu on unity? | 09:21 |
| larsu | F10 used to open the global menu | 09:21 |
| larsu | I'll ask attente later today | 09:21 |
| seb128 | that's an attente issue | 09:21 |
| seb128 | I think he's working on it | 09:21 |
| larsu | ya, it's either an issue in the menus or the global keyboard shortcuts | 09:21 |
| larsu | both attente issues :) | 09:21 |
| larsu | man, he sure picked the easy problems on our desktop... | 09:22 |
| seb128 | lol | 09:22 |
| seb128 | you have to give him credits for picking those issues and sticking to them until they are fixed! | 09:22 |
| darkxst | hi seb128 | 09:23 |
| seb128 | darkxst, hey, how are you? | 09:24 |
| darkxst | good, bit cooler now ;) | 09:24 |
| seb128 | come to Europe if you like cold | 09:25 |
| seb128 | or not, go to Canada I guess | 09:25 |
| seb128 | darkxst, what's the plan for external panels in g-c-c-vanilla? which ones do you want to keep? | 09:25 |
| Laney | we can do wet https://witness.theguardian.com/assignment/52f0dd85e4b08e6aaede60d3 | 09:25 |
| seb128 | hehe | 09:26 |
| darkxst | seb128, mainly dejadup, UOA (not installed by default but we have users using it) | 09:26 |
| seb128 | darkxst, UOA is going to be problematic I think, would a standalone GUI work for it? | 09:27 |
| darkxst | seb128, yes | 09:27 |
| seb128 | I'm saying that because robert_ancell had a look at dual building it for u-c-c and g-c-c and mostly gave up | 09:27 |
| seb128 | so I think they want to do what deja-dup is doing, having a standlone interface for non Unity | 09:27 |
| darkxst | gufw, but that might just be a desktop link | 09:28 |
| seb128 | k | 09:28 |
| darkxst | likewise with ubuntuone | 09:29 |
| Laney | darkxst: what's the parent branch of this one you gave me? | 09:29 |
| seb128 | the changelog of that branch is weird | 09:29 |
| darkxst | Laney, robert_ancells | 09:29 |
| Laney | I'm kind of confused | 09:29 |
| Laney | why didn't he branch off of the current g-c-c one? | 09:29 |
| seb128 | I would expect a "drop <list of Ubuntu patches>" on top of the current version | 09:29 |
| darkxst | he dropped everything... | 09:30 |
| darkxst | and I added back in the bits that are required | 09:30 |
| seb128 | that seems the wrong strategy | 09:30 |
| darkxst | seb128, it wasn't my strategy! | 09:30 |
| seb128 | imho you should take the current "trunk" from trusty and drop things you do'nt want | 09:30 |
| seb128 | yeah | 09:30 |
| Laney | indeed | 09:30 |
| seb128 | what's I'm saying is "feel free to discard what robert_ancell did" | 09:31 |
| Laney | I'd rebase on the ubuntu-desktop branch | 09:31 |
| Laney | if I were you | 09:31 |
| seb128 | I doubt he has much interest in it, he just tried to get things moving | 09:31 |
| darkxst | right, I don't either if we can still sneak in that gnome-desktop transition (that makes seb128 so nervous) | 09:32 |
| darkxst | seb128, fwiw config migration is not an issue, since it still uses the same file, but more of a backup for persistant storage | 09:32 |
| seb128 | good | 09:33 |
| seb128 | well, I'm too busy to help driving that transition through, and it makes me nervous | 09:33 |
| seb128 | I'm not going to block it if you find somebody wanting to take responsibility for it/do the uploads though | 09:33 |
| seb128 | you can try with Laney or other | 09:33 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell seems to share my opinion that we should better delay that one after the LTS, for the record (we discussed it last week) | 09:34 |
| Laney | I didn't follow the issues really | 09:35 |
| darkxst | Laney, all the XRANDR code move from gnome-deskop into a mutter | 09:35 |
| seb128 | basically gnome-desktop replaced their gnome_rr xrandr api to call a new dbus servic | 09:35 |
| darkxst | so I ripped that code and made a standalone daemon which seems to work well | 09:35 |
| darkxst | g-s-d obviously needs a bunch of git patches to adapt, g-c-c is much more trivial | 09:36 |
| seb128 | gnome-screensaver and others also use that API and are going to do patching if we do that | 09:37 |
| seb128 | but the bit that makes me most nervous is changing a xrandr library but a new, virtually untested for us, dbus service | 09:37 |
| darkxst | seb128, its largely the same code | 09:37 |
| lifeless | I sometimes thing Gnome has gone crazy w.r.t. DBUS | 09:38 |
| lifeless | whats wrong with using component specific APIs like XRANDR | 09:38 |
| Laney | do a PPA with all of the packages and a call for testing on -devel? | 09:38 |
| Laney | anwyay, regarding g-c-c - can you put the changes back on top of the current branch? | 09:38 |
| darkxst | lifeless, the whole point was to abstract away the display server from gnome-desktop | 09:39 |
| darkxst | Laney, yes will rebase, but won't be tonight | 09:39 |
| Laney | okay, no problem | 09:39 |
| Laney | cyphermox_: do you have commit to network-manager? | 09:42 |
| Laney | upstream | 09:42 |
| seb128 | Laney, if he doesn't he most likely know upstream enough to get stuff commited | 09:44 |
| seb128 | either way you can bounce patches his way I think ;-) | 09:45 |
| Laney | that was my backup hope | 09:45 |
| Laney | cyphermox_: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=663774 | 09:45 |
| ubot2` | Gnome bug 663774 in nm-applet "Country selection dialogue does not react on Enter key" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 09:45 |
| lifeless | darkxst: uhm, ok. And DBus is the right answer for that? I would have thought an abstraction library, but thats just me. | 09:47 |
| seb128 | larsu, https://code.launchpad.net/~samvasko/libappindicator/libappindicator/+merge/204202 ... looks fine to you? (I just crossed it while looking at pending merge requests) | 09:55 |
| larsu | seb128: yep, looks fine to me. Shall I approve? | 09:57 |
| seb128 | larsu, +1 from me, thanks | 09:57 |
| seb128 | Laney, do you know what desktops use g-s-d/u-s-d? | 09:59 |
| seb128 | out of Unity/gnome-shell of course | 09:59 |
| Laney | fallback too | 10:01 |
| Laney | and there are sessions that are fallback but with different window managers | 10:01 |
| seb128 | Laney, what is fallback likely to use? g-s-d or u-s-d? | 10:01 |
| Laney | but you can think of those as mostly the same | 10:01 |
| seb128 | asked differently, do we need to keep the legacy key grabber in u-s-d | 10:01 |
| Laney | g? | 10:02 |
| darkxst | seb128, yes, I see all the fallback desktops using u- variants | 10:02 |
| seb128 | darkxst, for the control-center yes, I was wondering for the settings daemon | 10:03 |
| darkxst | seb128, same | 10:03 |
| seb128 | I wonder if we need a rotw-s-d | 10:03 |
| seb128 | rest-of-the-world-settings-daemon :p | 10:03 |
| darkxst | right now, u-s-d should fit the rest of the world | 10:03 |
| seb128 | darkxst, that's convenient for you, means we get to keep the legacy code there | 10:03 |
| seb128 | I'm not really wanting to do that though | 10:04 |
| Laney | doesn't compiz need the keygrabber? | 10:04 |
| seb128 | I wanted to take the opportunity to clean stuff we don't use/need | 10:04 |
| seb128 | no | 10:04 |
| seb128 | attente is moving that to compiz, same way GNOME moved it to gnome-shell | 10:04 |
| seb128 | that's the only reliable way to do grabbing | 10:04 |
| Laney | right now it does though | 10:04 |
| darkxst | seb128, in that case the fallbacks can you that in compiz? | 10:05 |
| seb128 | e.g to key modifier only keys to work | 10:05 |
| seb128 | some fallbacks session don't use compiz | 10:05 |
| darkxst | although I suppose some insist on using oldschool metacity | 10:05 |
| seb128 | so we can fix things for those in compîz | 10:05 |
| seb128 | well | 10:05 |
| seb128 | or some are Laney and use custom wms | 10:05 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 10:05 |
| seb128 | (can't even remember the name of that wm now) | 10:05 |
| Laney | it's still panel + gsd | 10:06 |
| seb128 | xmodmap? | 10:06 |
| Laney | monad | 10:06 |
| seb128 | close :p | 10:06 |
| seb128 | Laney, context is https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-key-grabber/+merge/202758 | 10:07 |
| seb128 | well I guess it's not the end of the world to keep the legacy grabber in there | 10:07 |
| seb128 | it's just more code to maintain | 10:07 |
| Laney | I see | 10:09 |
| Laney | that stuff seems pretty stable in practice though | 10:09 |
| seb128 | right, as said it's just cruft/old code to keep around | 10:10 |
| seb128 | the reason I want to clean it out is the same that made GNOME drop their fallback code | 10:10 |
| seb128 | less code makes the job easier for us | 10:10 |
| seb128 | but as said, no big deal for that one, we can keep it at least for the LTS | 10:10 |
| Laney | as it is the fallback sessions will get gsd btw | 10:11 |
| seb128 | darkxst just said he expect those to use usd | 10:11 |
| darkxst | seb128, I have no intentions of maintaining legacy desktops, surely that should fall onto the teams that still want to use them? | 10:11 |
| Laney | yep | 10:11 |
| Laney | but somebody has to fix it to do that | 10:11 |
| seb128 | darkxst, I can copy/paste what you just wrote | 10:11 |
| seb128 | darkxst, gnome-classic is not more an Unity session than it is a GNOME one, it's rather closer from a GNOME one in fact | 10:12 |
| darkxst | seb128, gnome classic *IS* gnome-shell | 10:12 |
| seb128 | gnome-panel-session | 10:12 |
| seb128 | whatever that's called | 10:12 |
| darkxst | no it is gnome-shell | 10:13 |
| darkxst | with some extensions | 10:13 |
| seb128 | well, what Laney is using | 10:13 |
| seb128 | and that's not gnome-shell | 10:13 |
| Laney | fallback | 10:13 |
| seb128 | we have users who still run gnome-panel with the wm of their choice | 10:13 |
| darkxst | there are some issues with UI expectations, but gnome classic is technology wise identical | 10:13 |
| Laney | or whatever it's really called | 10:14 |
| darkxst | gnome-panel aka fallback, would be much better using Unity stuff | 10:14 |
| darkxst | they use the same indicators etc | 10:14 |
| darkxst | edubuntu are going to switch over to Unity for XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP | 10:15 |
| seb128 | right, for UI bits it makes sense | 10:15 |
| darkxst | (for gnome-flashback) | 10:15 |
| seb128 | g-s-d I'm unsure about | 10:15 |
| Laney | Sweetshark: have you seen bug #1200277 is still alive? | 10:15 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1200277 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[LibreOffice] - libreoffice-writer.desktop when drag/drop to desktop, 100% broken. " [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1200277 | 10:15 |
| darkxst | seb128, the biggest problem here is there is no distinction between UI bit and backend bits | 10:16 |
| darkxst | backend wise, gnome-panel etc is very similar to Unity (apart from the few extra integrations you have) | 10:17 |
| seb128 | it's not that far from GNOME either | 10:17 |
| Laney | haha | 10:18 |
| seb128 | you just don't want to have to keep maintaining the legacy code needed for those session (which I understand, but I don't want either ;-) | 10:18 |
| darkxst | seb128, do you have any idea how much legacy code is hanging around to support Unity/panel sessions? | 10:18 |
| seb128 | I think we are eventually going to need to say "if you use a non gnome-shell/compiz wm, you are on your own" | 10:18 |
| seb128 | but that would be unkind to do that before the LTS | 10:18 |
| seb128 | darkxst, I've been putting those patches in for the most part, so yes | 10:19 |
| darkxst | right, and apart from the possible move of keygrabber into compiz, everything is needed by unity also | 10:20 |
| seb128 | right, which is why we are making u-c-c/u-s-d | 10:21 |
| seb128 | not sure what we are discussing at this point | 10:21 |
| seb128 | out of | 10:21 |
| seb128 | Laney, nobody wants to maintain legacy code for you it seems... | 10:21 |
| darkxst | no one wants the legacy code! | 10:21 |
| seb128 | right | 10:22 |
| seb128 | well, I guess we are going to keep it in u-s-d until it's creating enough issues that we decide that those sessions to find a solution that doesn't put the burden on us | 10:22 |
| Laney | I think highvoltage does some upstream flashback maintenance :-) | 10:23 |
| seb128 | need to find* | 10:23 |
| darkxst | mitya as wall | 10:23 |
| darkxst | well even | 10:23 |
| darkxst | perhaps all the legacy fanatics can move to MATE | 10:24 |
| seb128 | Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1274740/comments/21 btw | 10:24 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1274740 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Re-enable traditional titlebar on 'gnome-but-not-shell' sessions too" [Low,Confirmed] | 10:24 |
| seb128 | Laney, we were discussing that last week | 10:24 |
| darkxst | altough I have no idea where that is at | 10:24 |
| seb128 | yeah, me neither* | 10:24 |
| Laney | seb128: nice, I can't remember the details from before | 10:24 |
| seb128 | Laney, it's early enough in the cycle than we can deal with issues | 10:25 |
| Laney | I made some patches over the weekend to set that for the indicators ;-) | 10:25 |
| seb128 | and I trust Dmitry to know what he is doing | 10:25 |
| seb128 | nice ;-) | 10:25 |
| darkxst | Laney, Jeremy switched over flashback to Unity in past, then straight away reverted it since it was buggy | 10:25 |
| seb128 | do you remember what was buggy? | 10:26 |
| darkxst | no, but I checked recently, as far as I can tell that was only due to the OnlyShowIn fields in the various desktop files | 10:26 |
| darkxst | gnome-panel, nautilus-classic and indicator* | 10:27 |
| seb128 | ok, that's what we were discussing, Laney remembered that it was tried but not the reasons it didn't work/what was to be resolved | 10:27 |
| darkxst | indicator ones will need a autostart condition I suppose | 10:28 |
| darkxst | GNOME3 unless-session Unity | 10:28 |
| seb128 | we use upstart for those in Unity | 10:28 |
| darkxst | oh, then it should be fine | 10:28 |
| seb128 | so they can do what they need with the desktop | 10:28 |
| darkxst | which is just add Unity to them | 10:28 |
| darkxst | offtopic, we have been hitting a weird bug where gdm restarts on upgrade, could that be some upstart thing? | 10:30 |
| seb128 | wasn't that https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/3.10.0.1-0ubuntu2 ? | 10:30 |
| darkxst | apparently not, that did work at the time when I tested it, but its still happening now | 10:31 |
| seb128 | but I doubt it's an upstart thing | 10:31 |
| seb128 | is gdm upstart managed nowadays? | 10:31 |
| seb128 | if it is the job didn't change in ages and usually they don't do restart, just start/stop and the stop for a dm is on init level change | 10:32 |
| darkxst | I wouldnt have thought so | 10:32 |
| darkxst | however, when I built and test the 3.10 package it was fine | 10:32 |
| darkxst | (i.e Dec sometime) | 10:32 |
| seb128 | can you reproduce the issue? | 10:33 |
| darkxst | sure, just reinstall gdm while gdm is running, and it brings down the entire session | 10:33 |
| seb128 | what does "sudo status gdm" says? | 10:35 |
| seb128 | does it restart when that happens or just goes down? | 10:36 |
| darkxst | seb128, it restarts, but takes some time | 10:36 |
| seb128 | hum, k | 10:37 |
| seb128 | I can try having a look at it in a vm today | 10:37 |
| darkxst | I can't even switch to a vm once it goes down | 10:37 |
| seb128 | that seems like a kernel/xorg issue to me | 10:38 |
| darkxst | but ssh says: gdm start/running, process 4064 | 10:38 |
| darkxst | and apparently this time it is coming back up | 10:39 |
| seb128 | no segfault/sigabrt in the Xorg.* | 10:39 |
| seb128 | no apport repport? | 10:39 |
| seb128 | did the pid change? | 10:39 |
| darkxst | no crash logs | 10:39 |
| darkxst | X still seems happy enough | 10:40 |
| darkxst | no idea if the PID changed | 10:40 |
| seb128 | you can maybe try to sudo gdb -p $(pidof gdm) | 10:40 |
| seb128 | (gdb) c | 10:41 |
| seb128 | then reinstall | 10:41 |
| seb128 | and see what happens in the gdb | 10:41 |
| seb128 | do that from a ssh | 10:41 |
| darkxst | seb128, x tried to restart and failed | 10:42 |
| seb128 | why did it try to restart? | 10:42 |
| seb128 | debian | 10:43 |
| darkxst | I don't get any logs of that | 10:43 |
| darkxst | gdm tries to fire up on a new dispaly (:1) and fails | 10:43 |
| seb128 | when did that issue start? | 10:43 |
| darkxst | but on my real machine, upgrade will result in gdm restarting | 10:44 |
| darkxst | late Jan | 10:44 |
| seb128 | k, so not the new xorg | 10:44 |
| seb128 | I've problem with user switching for some days, I blame new xorg/intel | 10:45 |
| seb128 | but that's probably different | 10:45 |
| darkxst | seb128, sometime before 22nd Jan | 10:51 |
| seb128 | hum, k | 10:52 |
| darkxst | and my gdm changelog is dated way back in Nov | 10:53 |
| darkxst | but it was certainly tested through dec | 10:54 |
| seb128 | what do you mean? you don't have the recent fix from trusty? | 10:54 |
| darkxst | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/3.10.0.1-0ubuntu1 | 10:54 |
| darkxst | Of I have the recent fix | 10:55 |
| darkxst | ^of course | 10:55 |
| seb128 | k | 10:56 |
| seb128 | I can try having a look later, need to set up a vm or try on my real box (but testing needs closing/restarting sessions) | 10:56 |
| darkxst | seb128, it will happen in a vm too | 10:57 |
| seb128 | good, makes debugging easier ;-) | 10:58 |
| darkxst | just gdm fails to actually restart in my vmware VM's, whereas it does on real hardware | 10:58 |
| * darkxst could not live without VM's although I am running out of diskspace | 10:59 | |
| seb128 | darkxst, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/1266496 seems still valid (look through recent reports) | 11:02 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1266496 in gdm (Ubuntu) "extra "fi" in file" [Undecided,New] | 11:02 |
| Laney | ooh, just started snowing | 11:05 |
| seb128 | Laney, that's another kind of weet ;-) | 11:07 |
| Laney | an exciting one | 11:07 |
| seb128 | yeah | 11:07 |
| Laney | but it won't settle because of the previous wetness | 11:07 |
| darkxst | Laney, can you bring some snow ;) | 11:10 |
| Laney | sure, I'll pack it inside a thermos and send it over | 11:11 |
| darkxst | Laney, a 40ft container would be better ;) | 11:12 |
| darkxst | seb128, right, though I can't see how that would cause this issue | 11:16 |
| darkxst | but will fix | 11:16 |
| seb128 | yeah, it's not likely it, I just crossed the bug while looking at reports | 11:17 |
| seb128 | thanks | 11:17 |
| darkxst | seb128, I havent seen a single report of this, since people only submit bugs when prompted right? and gdm doesnt update that often... | 11:22 |
| seb128 | right | 11:22 |
| Laney | woah, what happened | 11:22 |
| Laney | 11/02 11:20:15 <Laney> seb128: can you push e-d-s please? | 11:22 |
| seb128 | Laney, did your box reboot by itself again? | 11:22 |
| Laney | did that send? | 11:22 |
| Laney | freenode lagged out | 11:22 |
| seb128 | Laney, "push"? there is a vcs? | 11:22 |
| Laney | this is on a different server :-) | 11:23 |
| Laney | ~ubuntu-desktop/e-d-s/ubuntu | 11:23 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 11:23 |
| seb128 | sure, sorry about that | 11:23 |
| Laney | cheers, np | 11:23 |
| seb128 | Laney, ok, vcs updated | 11:35 |
| Laney | merci! | 11:35 |
| seb128 | de rien | 11:35 |
| Laney | mlankhorst: was that ld crashing bug only on i386? | 11:43 |
| Laney | i.e. not amd64? | 11:43 |
| mlankhorst | yeah | 11:43 |
| Laney | mmk | 11:44 |
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| xnox | MUAHAHA =) http://people.canonical.com/~xnox/gtk3-qmlscene.png | 12:41 |
| xnox | this is qmlscene, loading Desktop Components gallery.... using gtk3 instead of gtk2 =) here be dragons. | 12:41 |
| ogra_ | xnox, dude ! | 12:58 |
| xnox | and it's only a 260 lines patch so far. https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,77853 | 12:59 |
| seb128 | xnox, I'm not sure to grasp what that is doing | 13:05 |
| seb128 | xnox, you are making qt use gtk widgets? ;-) | 13:05 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 13:05 |
| ogra_ | evil ... | 13:05 |
| ogra_ | that will get you all sorts of political issues :) | 13:06 |
| xnox | seb128: more specifically, it already knows how to use gtk _2_ widgets, i'm making it use gtk _3_ widgets/themes instead =) | 13:06 |
| seb128 | that seems a weird concept | 13:06 |
| xnox | ogra_: my evil plan is to rewrite ubiquity using qt/qml and nobody to notice the difference. | 13:06 |
| ogra_ | haha | 13:06 |
| xnox | seb128: well, do you find mumble & skype out of place in terms of theming on ubuntu? | 13:06 |
| seb128 | xnox, they do, but I would think the fix there is to make a Qt theme matching our desktop one | 13:07 |
| xnox | (e.g. the buttons are fully pale orange, instead of having gtk3 orange aura) | 13:07 |
| xnox | seb128: Making qt themes is a pain, and at the moment, it simply dlopens gtk2 renders widgets and copies the pixmap back into QImage and slaps it onto QWindow. | 13:08 |
| xnox | seb128: and that ends up looking far more native, then trying to maintain a parallel theme. | 13:08 |
| xnox | sans gtk3 and gtk2 theme missmatches. | 13:08 |
| seb128 | k | 13:08 |
| xnox | firefox is moving to gtk3 finally (patches posted), so it's time for qt as well ;-) | 13:09 |
| xnox | then we will be left with google chom[e|ium] and libreoffice. | 13:09 |
| xnox | eclipse / swt did move to gtk3, so i'm not sure what's holding libreoffice back. | 13:09 |
| mdeslaur | hrm, won't switching firefox to gtk3 break flash? | 13:10 |
| mdeslaur | or is that handled by the firefox sandbox now? | 13:10 |
| xnox | mdeslaur: no idea, but as far as i remember firefox is sandoxing flash. | 13:10 |
| xnox | mdeslaur: but i also thought flash stopped publishing napi plugin, and it's pepper only as part of google chrome.... | 13:10 |
| mdeslaur | chromium is dropping gtk and moving to their own widget set in the latest dev version I believe | 13:11 |
| mdeslaur | xnox: well, the old flash is still supported for another 3 years or so | 13:11 |
| xnox | excellent =) or i guess i'll make my mind up once it lands in stable channel. | 13:11 |
| mdeslaur | it looks like ass at the moment :P | 13:11 |
| mdeslaur | well, like windows ass :) | 13:12 |
| xnox | mdeslaur: based on my timelines we will be all using silverlight by then.... oh wait maybe not =) and it will be more like XP never-ending EOL. | 13:12 |
| mdeslaur | (by ass, I mean out of place) | 13:12 |
| mdeslaur | xnox: lol :) | 13:12 |
| xnox | mdeslaur: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2014/02/gates-spends-entire-first-day-back-in-office-trying-to-install-windows-81.html | 13:12 |
| mdeslaur | hehe, yes, saw that...funny :) | 13:13 |
| xnox | it took me 2 days to figure out how to upgrade stock OEM 8 to 8.1 | 13:13 |
| mdeslaur | I booted windows 8 on my new laptop just out of curiosity before I blew it away. I had to google search how to turn it off. | 13:13 |
| mdeslaur | seriously. | 13:13 |
| xnox | turns out pre-loaded crapware, well McAffe antivirus, blogs connections to the 8.1 update servers and thus download just stalls at 0% and no indication how to fix it. | 13:14 |
| xnox | lol =) i push power buttons to turn it off =) | 13:14 |
| mdeslaur | heh | 13:14 |
| seb128 | xnox, so, doing an apt-get install --reinstall gdm leads to a console output | 13:21 |
| seb128 | Preparing to unpack ...deb | 13:22 |
| seb128 | gdm stop/waiting | 13:22 |
| seb128 | Unpacking gdm | 13:22 |
| seb128 | Setting up gdm | 13:22 |
| seb128 | gdm start/running | 13:22 |
| seb128 | xnox, do you know what could make gdm change to stop before the unpacking? | 13:22 |
| seb128 | the upstart script has | 13:23 |
| seb128 | stop on runlevel [016] | 13:23 |
| seb128 | that doesn't make sense to me | 13:23 |
| xnox | seb128: dh_installinit by default stops in prerm and start in postinst | 13:24 |
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| xnox | seb128: one should pass --no-scripts or something like that, to make sure restart is not performed. | 13:24 |
| xnox | seb128: it's not events that trigger restart, it's update-rc.d in maintainer scripts that explicetely stops and starts it, just like any other daemon. | 13:25 |
| mdeslaur | mpt: heh, have you seen this? http://www.therestartpage.com/ | 13:25 |
| seb128 | xnox, thanks | 13:25 |
| mpt | Ahaha | 13:26 |
| mpt | mdeslaur, that’s brilliant | 13:26 |
| xnox | it's even animated! | 13:26 |
| mdeslaur | love the bios screens | 13:26 |
| mdeslaur | got surprised by the mac startup sound :) | 13:27 |
| mlankhorst | 2gs is quiet. :P | 13:28 |
| mpt | mdeslaur, reminds me of http://www.clivejames.com/poetry/james/windows | 13:28 |
| mdeslaur | lol | 13:29 |
| mdeslaur | mpt: kind of like this: http://slowcoustic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/The-Birds-is-coming.jpg | 13:30 |
| mdeslaur | hehe | 13:30 |
| mlankhorst | did I miss the os/2 one? | 13:30 |
| mlankhorst | ah nm found it | 13:31 |
| rsalveti | seb128: I know scanning was working fine with ofono in the past, as I implemented that feature | 13:43 |
| rsalveti | not sure if it was disabled later on by awe | 13:43 |
| rsalveti | will check once he's back | 13:43 |
| seb128 | rsalveti, ok, no hurry ... is he away this week? when is he back? | 13:44 |
| seb128 | Laney, ^ | 13:44 |
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| rsalveti | seb128: he was sick yesterday | 13:45 |
| seb128 | k | 13:46 |
| Laney | rsalveti: thought as much! | 13:48 |
| Laney | rsalveti: can you confirm if scan-for-operators / manual mode in system-settings works for you? | 13:48 |
| rsalveti | and it's useful, I use it all the time when traveling | 13:48 |
| rsalveti | sure | 13:49 |
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| qengho | xnox, mdeslaur, right, two major-versions of chrom.. (about April!) from now will not support any NPAPI. | 14:07 |
| qengho | mdeslaur: right, gtk2 dies in Cr. Aura should replace it. | 14:08 |
| mdeslaur | qengho: right, so at least chromium can use the pepper flash in an likely illegal way...but firefox still needs gtk2 flash unfortunately | 14:09 |
| mdeslaur | qengho: so, is the pepper flash using aura? | 14:09 |
| qengho | mdeslaur: I have no idea what Flash is using. I doubt Adobe is that sophisticated, considering the youth of Aura. | 14:11 |
| mdeslaur | I thought the whole point of pepper flash was that the chrome devs took over its development | 14:11 |
| * mdeslaur shrugs | 14:11 | |
| qengho | mdeslaur: nope. The security and process model is the goal of PPAPI Everything. Adobe still owns. | 14:12 |
| mdeslaur | I see | 14:12 |
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| === om26er_ is now known as om26er | ||
| === jhernand1z is now known as jhernandez | ||
| qengho | May I have an upload for Trusty? My usual contact seems busy. https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/stage/+packages | 14:38 |
| === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away | ||
| seb128 | qengho, is usual contact chrisccoulson? | 14:40 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, stop being jetlagged :p | 14:40 |
| seb128 | qengho, I can sponsor that for you, sure | 14:41 |
| qengho | seb128: merci. | 14:41 |
| seb128 | de rien | 14:41 |
| === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback | ||
| kgunn | mlankhorst: just a heads up...we're going for another mir promotion...which will necessitate another xserver build | 15:13 |
| kgunn | just a heads up so we don't collide again :) | 15:13 |
| kgunn | i'll ping you as soon as i'm aware its happening, but you can always check with sil or did | 15:14 |
| mlankhorst | hey | 15:16 |
| mlankhorst | kgunn: no it's fine, nothing major planned, maybe mesa though :P | 15:16 |
| * kgunn thinks mlankhorst is crazy "nothing major"=mesa :) | 15:16 | |
| mlankhorst | not immediately planned though | 15:16 |
| === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley | ||
| seb128 | oh, it's meeting time | 15:30 |
| seb128 | qengho, Sweetshark, mlankhorst, Laney, tkamppeter, desrt, attente_, larsu: hey, I hope you all made it back without issues | 15:31 |
| desrt | holy crap. it's a meeting. | 15:31 |
| larsu | now? | 15:31 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 15:32 |
| seb128 | larsu, why not? | 15:32 |
| seb128 | larsu, are you still on London time? (or did I screw the time?) | 15:32 |
| larsu | seb128: I just didn't keep track of time is all. | 15:33 |
| * larsu feels like it's noon | 15:33 | |
| seb128 | same here | 15:34 |
| seb128 | ok, let's get started | 15:34 |
| seb128 | qengho, hey | 15:34 |
| qengho | - Testing chromium binary-package rename. | 15:34 |
| qengho | - To-do: treat meeting flu. | 15:34 |
| qengho | - To-do: Chromium high-dpi first, then multitouch. | 15:34 |
| qengho | EOF | 15:34 |
| seb128 | got the ubuflu as well? | 15:35 |
| * seb128 got a cold starting on friday | 15:35 | |
| seb128 | qengho, thanks | 15:35 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, hey | 15:35 |
| qengho | I washed my hands 1000 times. :( | 15:35 |
| * desrt flexes his immune system | 15:35 | |
| Sweetshark | seb128: aye | 15:36 |
| mlankhorst | ohai | 15:36 |
| Sweetshark | - fixed l10n issue | 15:36 |
| Sweetshark | - bumped tarballs to 4.2.0 final, reviewed removed some superficial tarballs from -src | 15:36 |
| Sweetshark | - using system mdds and orcus | 15:36 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, DONE? | 15:36 |
| Sweetshark | - tried for system libetonyek, but wont do it (not MIRing) | 15:36 |
| Sweetshark | - bumped LibreOffice 4.1.5 to the PPA | 15:37 |
| Sweetshark | EOF | 15:37 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea | ||
| seb128 | Sweetshark, you said some sponsoring request was coming soon, is that still happening? ;-) | 15:37 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: its already at http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/trusty/libreoffice_4.2.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes -- I just need to smoketest it. | 15:38 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, ok, let me know when it's ready for upload | 15:38 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: addendum: removed system-xmlsec its gone, add suggest to -sifr, did some major cleanup on ./debian/rules (ongoing) | 15:39 |
| Sweetshark | and upstream some of that to debian and LibreOffice. | 15:40 |
| seb128 | let's cross fingers than the cleanup doesn't hit new bugs | 15:40 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, thanks | 15:40 |
| Sweetshark | s/upstream/upstreamed/ | 15:40 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: new bugs risk is actually rather low if one can compare the generated BUILD_DEPS and configure-flags to be staying the same. But this could also be punted for after the LTS. | 15:41 |
| seb128 | right | 15:41 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, thanks | 15:41 |
| seb128 | mlankhorst, hey | 15:41 |
| mlankhorst | transition to xorg 1.15, fixing bug related to GL_NV_vdpau_interop, fixing trusty xorg-server bug #1277014 . transition from precise to trusty https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1278737 | 15:42 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1278737 in xorg (Ubuntu Trusty) "Upgrade to trusty fails from precise backported enablement stacks" [High,In progress] | 15:42 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1277014 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xorg assert failure: X: ../../dix/dispatch.c:3920: DetachUnboundGPU: Assertion `slave->isGPU' failed." [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1277014 | 15:42 |
| mlankhorst | and preparing mesa 10.1 for debian-experimental | 15:43 |
| seb128 | mlankhorst, how is the feedback on xorg 1.15 so far? good? | 15:43 |
| mlankhorst | no feedback is good feedback :-) | 15:43 |
| seb128 | I had some intel issues on the way but seems they got resolved with the newest version | 15:43 |
| mlankhorst | intel gave more problems recently, should be fixed with 910 | 15:43 |
| seb128 | right | 15:43 |
| seb128 | seems to work fine for me | 15:44 |
| seb128 | no corruption today, and user switching seems stable | 15:44 |
| seb128 | mlankhorst, thanks | 15:44 |
| mlankhorst | yeah npp | 15:44 |
| seb128 | Laney, hey | 15:44 |
| Laney | hi | 15:44 |
| Laney | • Short-ish week; swap day | 15:44 |
| Laney | • Some gnome updates: glib, pango, cogl | 15:44 |
| Laney | • u-s-s reviews, brightness panel work (fixing things including animation-after-opening), investigation of slow-loading panel animation (ongoing), poke at 'manual' network selection not working → rsalveti taking a look. | 15:44 |
| Laney | • u-s-d/u-c-c discussions, work on the upstart conditions for u-s-d.Turns out you can parameterise 'start on starting' conditions for instance jobs! Implement hax to get the correct (Unity) settings panels from the indicators - will hopefully not be needed if we can manage to have XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity for fallback sessions too. | 15:44 |
| Laney | • Patch pilot | 15:44 |
| Laney | • DMB meeting/election wrangling | 15:44 |
| Laney | ⚝ | 15:44 |
| seb128 | Laney, thanks | 15:46 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, hey | 15:46 |
| tkamppeter | - cups/cups-filters: Worked out concept for on-demand starting of daemons | 15:46 |
| tkamppeter | - cups: Patch for starting CUPS daemon socket-triggered via Upstart | 15:46 |
| tkamppeter | - Talked with xnox about socket-triggered daemon starting with Upstart, found Upstart bug which prevents it, xnox reported the bug. | 15:46 |
| tkamppeter | - Talked with mpt about print dialog for Ubuntu Touch, mpt posted first design thoughts on Ubuntu Wiki. | 15:46 |
| tkamppeter | - Google Summer of Code 2014: Posted project ideas for OpenPrinting, mentoring organization application for the Linux Foundation. | 15:46 |
| tkamppeter | - Bugs. | 15:46 |
| === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch | ||
| === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g | ||
| seb128 | tkamppeter, thanks | 15:47 |
| seb128 | desrt, hey | 15:47 |
| desrt | seb128: hey. working on a secret project right now. i don't want to talk about it because of something larsu told me about motivation. | 15:48 |
| desrt | but i can tell you that it's useful | 15:48 |
| larsu | wait. what? | 15:48 |
| seb128 | lol | 15:48 |
| larsu | oh, I remember! | 15:48 |
| desrt | larsu: you said that if you tell people what you're working on you lose the motivation to keep working on it | 15:48 |
| larsu | in some bus/tram in brussels | 15:48 |
| desrt | so i'm giving that a try :) | 15:49 |
| larsu | s/lose/can lose/ | 15:49 |
| Laney | parlez-vous français? | 15:49 |
| larsu | croissant! | 15:49 |
| seb128 | it has been a long week already it seems :p | 15:49 |
| larsu | feels like Friday | 15:50 |
| seb128 | desrt, nothing you want to share since friday then? ;-) | 15:50 |
| desrt | nope. | 15:50 |
| Laney | ohne Schokolade | 15:50 |
| larsu | Laney: MIT! | 15:50 |
| seb128 | k, fair enough, enjoy the secret hacking ;-) | 15:50 |
| seb128 | attente_, hey | 15:50 |
| desrt | mit ohne alles? | 15:50 |
| desrt | this is a strange meeting | 15:50 |
| larsu | desrt: you made it strange | 15:50 |
| desrt | having a meeting to cover one work day since we last saw each other makes it strange :) | 15:51 |
| attente_ | more key grabber bug fixes, AP tests for key grabber | 15:51 |
| attente_ | trying to debug why they don't work on ChrisTownsend's machine... | 15:51 |
| * attente_ also caught ubuflu last night | 15:51 | |
| attente_ | EOF | 15:51 |
| seb128 | :-( | 15:51 |
| seb128 | attente_, get better! | 15:51 |
| larsu | attente_: get well soon! | 15:51 |
| Laney | I didn't understand that it was just supposed to be this week's stuff :P | 15:51 |
| attente_ | seb128, larsu, thanks :) | 15:52 |
| seb128 | I've ubuflu since friday, it's starting to be better | 15:52 |
| * Laney nods towards attente_ | 15:52 | |
| seb128 | desrt, well, in fact almost everybody has been doing a summary of what they did last week (mine is going to have that as well) | 15:52 |
| tkamppeter | I have no ubuflu at all. | 15:52 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, lucky you! | 15:52 |
| Laney | me neither | 15:52 |
| seb128 | attente_, congrats on getting your compiz changes merged in btw! | 15:52 |
| Laney | I rode a Boris bike all around London on Saturday | 15:53 |
| Laney | the fear probably scared the ubuflu away | 15:53 |
| attente_ | seb128, thanks! | 15:53 |
| seb128 | Laney, lol | 15:53 |
| seb128 | larsu, your turn ;-) | 15:53 |
| larsu | sure | 15:53 |
| larsu | - finally got the evince menu work in. Fixed a couple of issues we found while testing it (mainly related to accels) | 15:53 |
| larsu | - gave file-roller a better menu bar on !GNOME desktops (thanks to mpt for design input) | 15:53 |
| larsu | - started working fixing the amplified volume UI mess. On hold because of gtkscale issues | 15:53 |
| larsu | - some theming and layout (unity-control-center) tweaks | 15:53 |
| larsu | EOW | 15:53 |
| Laney | yay menus | 15:55 |
| seb128 | larsu, is the file-roller one pushed somewhere? I lost track on friday afternoon | 15:55 |
| larsu | Laynes: somehow I can't share your enthusiasm about menus anymore | 15:55 |
| larsu | woah. Laney of course | 15:55 |
| larsu | seb128: ya, it's in master | 15:55 |
| Laney | it's a weird afternoon for my nickname | 15:55 |
| larsu | let me find the bug | 15:56 |
| Laney | hey man, you're getting upstreams to care about other environments | 15:56 |
| Laney | that is GREAT! | 15:56 |
| larsu | seb128: https://git.gnome.org/browse/file-roller/commit/?id=cefd32cb41abe0231b06e0fe2f43091e55a944ba | 15:56 |
| seb128 | larsu, danke | 15:56 |
| desrt | Laney: most upstreams want to care | 15:56 |
| Laney | or at least to not block other people who care :P | 15:56 |
| Laney | yeah | 15:56 |
| seb128 | but yeah | 15:56 |
| Laney | it's good! makes you enthusiastic! | 15:56 |
| seb128 | \o/ | 15:56 |
| desrt | Laney: one of the goals of this entire gmenumodel thing from the start was to make it easier for them to care | 15:56 |
| Laney | I was trying to give larsu back some enthusiasm :-) | 15:57 |
| desrt | don't worry -- they love larsu :) | 15:57 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 15:57 |
| larsu | Laney: it's working... I think | 15:57 |
| desrt | gedit guys are currently standing in the love-larsu queue, in fact... | 15:57 |
| larsu | :) | 15:57 |
| seb128 | larsu is made of awesome, why would anyone not love him ;-) | 15:58 |
| desrt | *nudge* | 15:58 |
| * larsu didn't know there was a queue | 15:58 | |
| * Laney coughs | 15:58 | |
| seb128 | ok, on that note | 15:58 |
| seb128 | larsu, thanks ;-) | 15:58 |
| seb128 | my turn | 15:58 |
| seb128 | * Desktop Debian syncs and updates (harfbuzz, telepathy-mission-control, geary, evolution-data-server, pidgin, gstreamer/base1.0) | 15:58 |
| seb128 | * unity-control-center/unity-settings-daemon testing, fixed some bugs (keybindings integration for compiz/unity) | 15:58 |
| seb128 | * synced new libcmis for Sweetshark, had to deal with build issues then | 15:58 |
| seb128 | * some desktop bugs fixes (gedit, nautilus, software-properties) | 15:58 |
| seb128 | * reworked evolution-data-server online accounts packaging split to merge goa/uoa and move common bits back in e-d-s | 15:58 |
| seb128 | * reviewed changes from other (u-s-s changes from Laney and click guys, gnome-settings-daemon audio detection from diwic, evince work from larsu) | 15:58 |
| seb128 | </week> | 15:58 |
| larsu | seb128: thanks for the reviews and testing btw! | 15:58 |
| seb128 | larsu, thanks for iterations and bugfixes, good work ;-) | 15:58 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:00 |
| seb128 | comments/questions? | 16:00 |
| seb128 | if done, we are just done on the half an hour mark ;-) | 16:00 |
| * desrt refrains | 16:00 | |
| Laney | skill | 16:00 |
| seb128 | lol | 16:00 |
| seb128 | thanks everyone! | 16:00 |
| desrt | we did it!! | 16:00 |
| seb128 | desrt, you didn't share what you work on, you don't get to ask questions :p | 16:00 |
| desrt | i was going to share | 16:01 |
| desrt | but since we finished on time, i didn't want to ruin it | 16:01 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 16:01 |
| desrt | (at least was going to share the last-week stuff) | 16:01 |
| seb128 | double round next week! | 16:01 |
| * Laney cries | 16:02 | |
| seb128 | Laney, ? | 16:03 |
| seb128 | qengho, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/chromium-browser/32.0.1700.107-0ubuntu1~20140204.977.1 | 16:03 |
| ritz | larsu, hi, are you working on indicator-printer replacement ? | 16:03 |
| Laney | I just looked at why the kylin images don't build | 16:03 |
| ritz | or are we focusing on s-c-p ? | 16:04 |
| Laney | https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/ubuntukylin-default-settings/trusty/view/head:/hooks/chroot#L12 | 16:04 |
| Laney | at least most of it is commented out now | 16:04 |
| larsu | ritz: no. I'm afraid nobody's focusing on anything printing right now... | 16:05 |
| seb128 | Laney, I did hurt my eyes by reading that file once as well :/ | 16:05 |
| ritz | larsu, hmm, thanks. so the best option would be to "ubuntuize" s-c-p ? | 16:05 |
| Laney | one of the packages doesn't exist | 16:05 |
| Laney | I'll just upload to remove that | 16:06 |
| Laney | get in and get out, surgical extraction | 16:06 |
| larsu | ritz: what needs ubuntuizing? Are you talking about the auth/keyring issue? | 16:06 |
| ritz | yes | 16:06 |
| ritz | s-c-p does not have an indicator icon | 16:06 |
| ritz | akin to indicator-printer | 16:06 |
| ritz | which presents us with a nice queue option | 16:07 |
| larsu | indicator-printer is the replacement of s-c-p's tray icon | 16:07 |
| larsu | but according to design, we don't want that at all anymore | 16:07 |
| larsu | but show the queue list in the launcher instead | 16:07 |
| larsu | indicator-printer has a queue option, no? | 16:07 |
| seb128 | larsu, have you seen https://git.gnome.org/browse/file-roller/commit/?id=74eae54feab2fdb54b5230c1cb48238585147d71 ? | 16:07 |
| seb128 | larsu, Archive Manager _Help -> Contents is going to make mpt cry :-( | 16:08 |
| ritz | nope, it use s-c-p | 16:08 |
| ritz | k, so not to show the queue | 16:08 |
| larsu | seb128: ya :( I've been meaning to talk to paolo about it but forgot | 16:08 |
| ritz | if I understand this correctly, indicator-printer can be killed by design | 16:09 |
| seb128 | larsu, anyway, no hurry, I'm backporting your patch and not that extra one, we have time before updating to 3.12 | 16:09 |
| larsu | seb128: :) | 16:09 |
| larsu | ritz: right, but something still needs to listen to cups' notifications and show/hide the queue window accordingly | 16:09 |
| larsu | and that still wouldn't fix the auth issue | 16:09 |
| larsu | I think just keeping the indicator the way it is this late in the cycle is the safest option | 16:10 |
| ritz | larsu, why would this not fix ? s-c-p does listen and responds to auth request | 16:10 |
| ritz | aah | 16:11 |
| ritz | fair point, pretty late in cycle | 16:11 |
| mpt | ritz, indicator-printer was perhaps my most elaborate design mistake. Its replacement is specced at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Printing#Printing-1 | 16:11 |
| larsu | ritz: ya, and not all issues would be fixed. The print dialogs of various apps still show an auth dialog in some cases | 16:12 |
| larsu | because CUPS inserts AuthRequired into printers.conf when it can't reach the printer | 16:12 |
| ritz | hmm, will test this out | 16:12 |
| ritz | thanks a ton for the insight | 16:12 |
| larsu | I haven't had the time to investigate this deeply, but I think this needs a more elaborate fix | 16:12 |
| seb128 | larsu, there is an issue with your file-roller work (or with my backport) | 16:20 |
| larsu | seb128: impossible! | 16:21 |
| seb128 | larsu, ;-) the "open" menu item is unactive for me | 16:21 |
| larsu | uh oh | 16:21 |
| seb128 | hum, as are all the other items from files except "new archive" | 16:21 |
| seb128 | same for the edit menu | 16:22 |
| seb128 | larsu, does it happen for you as well? | 16:22 |
| larsu | no, it works for me | 16:22 |
| seb128 | larsu, ok, don't bother, probably an issue with my backport then | 16:24 |
| * seb128 does a git build | 16:24 | |
| seb128 | that one is actually easy to git build ;-) | 16:24 |
| larsu | let me try applying it to 3.10 | 16:24 |
| larsu | seb128: oh, conflicts | 16:25 |
| seb128 | larsu, https://git.gnome.org/browse/file-roller/log/src/ui/app-menubar.ui?id=cefd32cb41abe0231b06e0fe2f43091e55a944ba | 16:26 |
| seb128 | I backported those 4 commits | 16:26 |
| seb128 | (well not limited at this file) | 16:26 |
| larsu | seb128: I have the same problem | 16:32 |
| larsu | after applying those four commits | 16:33 |
| larsu | it's only the open command though | 16:33 |
| larsu | everything else works as soon as I open an archive | 16:33 |
| seb128 | not for me | 16:33 |
| seb128 | I tried to open a tar.xz from nautilus | 16:34 |
| larsu | right | 16:35 |
| larsu | some of them don't work for me either | 16:35 |
| larsu | like anything in file | 16:35 |
| larsu | stuff in view and help works | 16:35 |
| === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox | ||
| seb128 | there are not so many commits between 3.10 and master | 16:35 |
| * seb128 looks at the log | 16:35 | |
| larsu | seems like the actions were renamed at some point | 16:37 |
| larsu | seb128: even worse. Seems like the window actions weren't gactions at that point | 16:41 |
| larsu | seb128: even worser, these were added in the same commit as the header bar | 16:42 |
| seb128 | https://git.gnome.org/browse/file-roller/commit/src/fr-window.c?id=66d798e79c079af6fd9203f659ea6e158580c772 | 16:42 |
| larsu | https://git.gnome.org/browse/file-roller/commit/src/ui/app-menubar.ui?id=66d798e7 | 16:42 |
| larsu | lol | 16:43 |
| seb128 | "fun" | 16:43 |
| larsu | not my idea of fun | 16:44 |
| larsu | whatever happened to independent small commits? | 16:44 |
| larsu | sigh | 16:44 |
| seb128 | yeah, mine neither | 16:44 |
| seb128 | which is why the "" | 16:44 |
| larsu | it's actually not thast big of a commit | 16:44 |
| larsu | let me try separating it | 16:45 |
| seb128 | right, one hundred lines | 16:45 |
| * larsu wonders if that's all though | 16:45 | |
| seb128 | it should be easy enough to drop the headerbar part | 16:45 |
| seb128 | larsu, don't bother, I'm going to deal with that | 16:45 |
| larsu | we should just switch to 3.12! | 16:46 |
| * larsu hides | 16:46 | |
| seb128 | lol | 16:46 |
| * seb128 looks for a spare battery | 16:46 | |
| larsu | seb128: good, then I can go on the run wanted to go on :) | 16:46 |
| * larsu needs air | 16:46 | |
| seb128 | larsu, enjoy! (and sorry for delaying you with that) | 16:46 |
| larsu | let me know if you need help | 16:46 |
| larsu | no worries :) | 16:46 |
| larsu | thanks | 16:46 |
| seb128 | should be fine, but thanks! | 16:46 |
| === mjohnson15_2 is now known as mjohnson15 | ||
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Hey | 18:56 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, hey | 20:03 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: I made a comment in the MP, but I seem to be the only one hitting that AP failure, so I'm pretty convinced it's something with my machine. | 20:04 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yo | 20:04 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: So when you merge in trunk again, we'll globally approve. | 20:04 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, I wasn't sure about the dummy package - can we just stop providing a binary package? Will that correctly uninstall the old binaries? | 20:04 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, ok, thanks! | 20:04 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, just going for dinner but I'm back in half an our and can chat/read scrollback then | 20:04 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, ok, cool | 20:05 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, you can stop yes, uninstall ... if not, add a Conflicts on it | 20:05 |
| seb128 | bbiab | 20:05 |
| robert_ancell | k | 20:05 |
| asac | seb128: which source carries gdk nowadays | 20:05 |
| seb128 | asac, gtk as always | 20:05 |
| asac | seb128: whats the source package :/ | 20:06 |
| asac | ? | 20:06 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, ok, resolved | 20:11 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: Cool, thanks | 20:11 |
| attente_ | ChrisTownsend, thanks :) | 20:14 |
| ChrisTownsend | attente_: No problem, and thank *you*! | 20:15 |
| seb128 | asac, sorry was at dinner, depends of the gtk version, gtk+3.0 for gtk3 | 20:52 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, so what do we do about gnome-control-center-datetime? Nothing provides/conflicts etc with it | 21:03 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, Do we just make gnome-control-center do that? | 21:03 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, sorry, was catching up with pings | 21:04 |
| robert_ancell | no rush | 21:04 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, to get it uninstalled? | 21:04 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, I guess? Because we don't want to leave it lying around around right? | 21:05 |
| seb128 | well, would it still work in g-c-c? | 21:05 |
| seb128 | I still have the u1 integration with nautilus installed, even after dobey dropped it from the archive, and I'm glad about that since it still works and prove to be useful | 21:06 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, it would, but since it wont be rebuilt ever it might hold back its dependencies | 21:07 |
| seb128 | well, that's something for the apt resolver to resolve imho | 21:08 |
| seb128 | I would just let it like that and change things if we get reports of upgrade issues | 21:08 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, it depends "indicator-datetime (= 13.10.0+14.04.20140124-0ubuntu1)" | 21:08 |
| dobey | i'm not glad that i have 2 of every control-center module listed in the dash | 21:08 |
| seb128 | dobey, yeah, transitions suck | 21:08 |
| robert_ancell | So it would stop the indicator upgrading right? | 21:08 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, depends of which one has more "weight" in the apt resolver | 21:08 |
| robert_ancell | dobey, yeah, that was the least painful transition we could do | 21:08 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, so at some point it will just be uninstalled | 21:08 |
| seb128 | right | 21:09 |
| robert_ancell | fine by me to keep it = less work for me :) | 21:09 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 21:09 |
| dobey | and i had to run gnome-control-center.real to get online accounts to work | 21:09 |
| seb128 | well, just don't do anything | 21:09 |
| seb128 | if upgrades are blocked on buggy due to it we can tweak | 21:09 |
| seb128 | dobey, blame the CI daily landing stuff | 21:09 |
| seb128 | the fix was commited but stuff don't land as they should | 21:10 |
| seb128 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center-signon/0.1.7~+14.04.20140211.2-0ubuntu1 should fix it | 21:10 |
| seb128 | got uploaded today | 21:10 |
| dobey | ok | 21:10 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, on a similar "annoying transition issue", g-s-d-fallback-mount and u-s-d-fallback-mount grrrr | 21:11 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, got any better ideas? | 21:11 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I get a mount and a "conflict mount prompt" every time I plug a device | 21:11 |
| seb128 | no | 21:11 |
| seb128 | I would have fixed it otherwise :p | 21:11 |
| seb128 | just get the damn transition done? :) | 21:11 |
| robert_ancell | in flight... | 21:11 |
| seb128 | yeah | 21:12 |
| seb128 | btw did fginther got the autolanding work for u-c-c? | 21:12 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, no | 21:12 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, oh, and did you get an ok flight back? ;-) | 21:13 |
| seb128 | :-( | 21:13 |
| robert_ancell | long and tedious but yes | 21:13 |
| seb128 | what's the issue with the CI ? | 21:13 |
| seb128 | k | 21:13 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, still don't know | 21:13 |
| seb128 | fginther, hey! | 21:13 |
| fginther | seb128, yes? | 21:13 |
| robert_ancell | Can you approve https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-control-center/datetime-panel/+merge/205665 and https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/indicator-datetime/no-panel/+merge/205664 if good now? | 21:13 |
| robert_ancell | fginther, u-c-c still doesn't build (i.e. https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-control-center-trusty-i386-ci/8/console) | 21:14 |
| robert_ancell | Anything I'm doing wrong? | 21:14 |
| robert_ancell | "dpkg-buildpackage: warning: build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting" | 21:14 |
| robert_ancell | it's like it can't find any dependencies | 21:14 |
| fginther | robert_ancell, looking | 21:16 |
| dobey | seb128: when will the duplicate entries disappear from the dash? or am i going to have to remove things manually? | 21:34 |
| seb128 | dobey, with the next g-c-c upload, which I hope is for this week | 21:35 |
| seb128 | dobey, you can also uninstall gnome-control-center | 21:35 |
| dobey | ok | 21:35 |
| seb128 | it should be needed (once the -signon version from proposed lands) | 21:36 |
| seb128 | it shouldn't* | 21:36 |
| dobey | i'll wait to make sure stuff goes away with the new upload :) | 21:36 |
| === thumper is now known as thumper-afk | ||
| robert_ancell | seb128, dpkg question... Since I've removed those old packages indicator-datetime doesn't build because the .install file now doesnt pick up the files in debian/tmp | 21:40 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, can you pastebin the error? | 21:41 |
| robert_ancell | is the "correct" way to fix this to update debian/rules or the .install | 21:41 |
| robert_ancell | "dh_install: indicator-datetime missing files (usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/*), aborting" | 21:42 |
| dobey | robert_ancell: you've only got one binary package coming from the source now? | 21:42 |
| robert_ancell | dobey, yep | 21:42 |
| robert_ancell | whenever i hit this i dont know what to do | 21:42 |
| dobey | robert_ancell: i'd just delete the install file unless you need to install extra stuff with it to debian/tmp (like man pages or whatever) | 21:42 |
| dobey | robert_ancell: if it's just to pull files into the package and you've only got one binary, i'd just delete it | 21:43 |
| robert_ancell | I'll check it doesn't filter anything out | 21:43 |
| dobey | if you need to filter stuff out, i'd rm -f it in debian/rules explicitly, with a comment why | 21:43 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, one binary -> destdir = debian/binary (instead of debian/tmp + .install moves) | 21:45 |
| seb128 | but yeah, you just need to rm the unwanted files, if any, in debian/rules | 21:45 |
| robert_ancell | yeah, whoever came up with that inconsistency... | 21:45 |
| seb128 | I like it | 21:46 |
| seb128 | default case = no work | 21:46 |
| seb128 | if you need split, you define the details | 21:46 |
| seb128 | ok, enough for today | 22:02 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I approved the u-c-c mp (let's see if fginther finds the issue with the lander) and +1ed the indicator one for charles_ letting charles to approve since he's the maintainer for that one | 22:03 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yep, saw that. Thanmks | 22:03 |
| seb128 | yw! | 22:03 |
| fginther | robert_ancell, seb128, I found a missing dependency on the build hosts gnome-pkg-tools. should have everything updated soon. | 22:04 |
| robert_ancell | fginther, awesome, thanks! | 22:04 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, btw, you should put your gnome-screensaver changes up for review as well ;-) | 22:04 |
| seb128 | fginther, thanks | 22:04 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, review while broken? | 22:04 |
| charles_ | seb128: thanks for the update, I was waiting on your needs-info :) | 22:04 |
| === charles_ is now known as charles | ||
| TheMuso | Which gcc/ucc branch should I be using to work on? Got some a11y fixes for the behavior tab in the look preferences panel. | 22:04 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, well, with a "need to be fixed" note, maybe somebody has an idea about the focus thing or indicators | 22:04 |
| robert_ancell | sure | 22:05 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, u-c-c for Unity, g-c-c for GNOME, both if you care about both | 22:05 |
| seb128 | g-c-c doesn't have "appareance" | 22:05 |
| seb128 | they are going to have their own "background" soon which is a new design | 22:05 |
| seb128 | charles, yw ;-) | 22:05 |
| TheMuso | Ok, I just remember seeing discussion last night about the incorrect branch being used or some such... I was using lp:unity-control-center as a base, but should I be using another u-c-c branch? | 22:06 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, that's correct | 22:07 |
| seb128 | night | 22:07 |
| TheMuso | Ok good. | 22:07 |
| === thumper-afk is now known as thumper | ||
| === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away | ||
| fginther | robert_ancell, the builders should all be updated now | 22:39 |
| robert_ancell | fginther, thanks again | 22:39 |
| fginther | robert_ancell, I've triggered a rebuild for https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-control-center/datetime-panel/+merge/205665 | 22:54 |
| robert_ancell | charles, Is Jenkins confused on https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/indicator-session/unity-settings-daemon/+merge/205421? Should that be merged? | 23:50 |
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