[00:02] <eagles0513875_> humm have lots of things to try lol
[00:02] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: please keep in mind you have to actually KNOW what you are writing
[00:02] <ikonia> this means not making things up, making writing a document for "you"
[00:02] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: i know.
[00:02] <ikonia> this means writing a document that other people can use, explains the situation etc
[00:02] <knome> "To edit the grub2 config, bacon eggs and tomato."
[00:03] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: this also means not copying and pasting things from other sites/documents
[00:03] <eagles0513875_> understood
[00:04] <belkinsa> And I sent the e-mail to the team and three others.
[00:05] <eagles0513875_> im not seeing any tags on any of the pages
[00:07] <pleia2> eagles0513875_: add them :)
[00:07] <eagles0513875_> pleia2:  belkinsa  wasnt it agreed to have the versions on each page?
[00:07] <belkinsa> I don't remember.
[00:07] <pleia2> no, too much work + maintenace burden
[00:07] <eagles0513875_> ok
[00:07] <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag this lists the tags, so when you see something that a tag, please add it
[00:08] <pleia2> s/something that/something that needs a tag
[00:09] <eagles0513875_> :)
[00:09] <eagles0513875_> belkinsa: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BuildingSoftwareReceipts <-- title doesnt make much sense receipts??
[00:09] <eagles0513875_> and the title of that page all together doesnt make much sense
[00:11] <knome> eagles0513875_, are you familiar with the content/issue at hand?
[00:12] <eagles0513875_> knome: not quite please enlighten me
[00:12] <knome> eagles0513875_, that's the point.
[00:12] <knome> eagles0513875_, if you don't know anything about what the page concerning, don't touch it
[00:12] <eagles0513875_> i wont
[00:13] <knome> to put it otherwise, calling them "package recipes" makes sense for those who understand that area
[00:13] <eagles0513875_> but on the main contents page it says building software
[00:13] <eagles0513875_> and reading that i think compiling from source
[00:14] <knome> if you don't understand something that is on the wiki, it doesn't mean it's wrong
[00:15] <ikonia> a good example of this is the postfix docs
[00:15] <eagles0513875_> what bout them
[00:15] <ikonia> you argued they where wrong for weeks, but it was your lack of understanding of how an MTA works that was the problem, not the docs
[00:17] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: well now looking at them and seeing the logs i see alot of warnings about depreciated settings etc in 12.04
[00:17] <eagles0513875_> im not going to argue this
[00:18] <ikonia> right, warnings you ignored and copied blindly
[00:18] <ikonia> so again - you're lack of understanding, not the documentation
[00:18] <ikonia> something that didn't need fixing
[00:18] <belkinsa> IF it's not broke, don't fix it, eagles0513875_
[00:19] <knome> or if you don't understand it.
[00:19] <ikonia> if you don't know if it's broke because you don't understand it - don't touch it
[00:19] <belkinsa> Sorry for butting in.
[00:19] <eagles0513875_> belkinsa: you are fine
[00:19] <ikonia> not at all, someone has to say it
[00:19] <belkinsa> Heh.
[00:26] <belkinsa> ikonia, mind if I PM you?
[00:26] <ikonia> no problem
[00:28] <ikonia> always welcome
[00:32] <belkinsa> knome and pleia2: ping.
[00:32] <eagles0513875_> belkinsa: pleia2  = work call
[00:32] <knome> belkinsa, yes?
[00:33] <belkinsa> Oh duh.
[00:33] <belkinsa> knome and ikonia, mind if we have a PM together in another room?
[00:33] <knome> i can do that
[00:37] <belkinsa> Sent you an invite, knome.
[01:10]  * knome sits back on the comfy chair on the corner
[01:10] <belkinsa> knome, thank you for doing that with ikonia and me.
[01:10] <knome> no problem!
[01:12] <belkinsa> ikonia, I shall.
[03:30] <julianofischer> Hi my friends, my name is Juliano and I work with the Brazilian Doc Team, I hope to appear here frequently
[03:30] <pleia2> welcome julianofischer
[03:31] <julianofischer> thank you, pleia2
[03:50] <julianofischer> Someone can tell me when the 14.04 manual will be released for translation? (actually I do not know if already there is a 14.04 manual)
[03:53] <pleia2> julianofischer: from ubuntu-manual.org ?
[03:54] <pleia2> julianofischer: you want #ubuntu-manual for that, we're responsible for the documentation that's shipped with Ubuntu, available at help.ubuntu.com
[03:54] <pleia2> March 20th is our documentation freeze, once we prepare the packages (typically takes a few days) it becomes open for translators
[03:54] <pleia2> doh
[06:15] <dsmythies> pleias2: Time between documentation string freeze and ready for translation is actually now very short. Serverguide is a matter of hours, and most of that is launchpad automated stuff delays, which are much much shorter than they used to be. Desktop help is a little longer and also dependent on someone with upload rights. Still should not be worse than overnight.
[06:23] <pleia2> dsmythies: ah, good to know! thanks :)
[21:34] <eagles0513875_> hey guys
[21:38] <eagles0513875_> belkinsa: ping
[21:38] <belkinsa> eagles0513875_, pong.
[21:39] <eagles0513875_> anyone else around care to discuss a section title on the community help wiki
[21:39] <knome> eagles0513875_, why don't you just ask?
[21:39] <belkinsa> I know that needs to be changed to that, if it already hasn't.
[21:39] <knome> (the real question, that is)
[21:40] <eagles0513875_> basically i understood what the section entitled building software does. basically its for web based software and flash based animated software and eaccelerate is. Wouldnt a better title be building web based software?
[21:41] <knome> care to point us to the page?
[21:41] <eagles0513875_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community under software it says building software
[21:42] <eagles0513875_> if you click on it it tells you how to use eaccelerate and build flash based apps
[21:42] <belkinsa> Look, if it's not broke, DON'T fix it.
[21:42] <knome> i guess the title could be better
[21:42] <eagles0513875_> belkinsa: agreed but i feel the name is a bit misleading
[21:42] <eagles0513875_> what im trying to say
[21:43] <eagles0513875_> when i see building software
[21:43] <belkinsa> Oh, there never mind.
[21:43] <eagles0513875_> i would expect a how to on how to compile from source
[21:44] <knome> i would merge that page in the "applications" subsection "programming" or "servers/web", looking which one has more similar items
[21:45] <knome> i guess the latter.
[21:45] <knome> eagles0513875_, will you do that?
[21:45] <eagles0513875_> knome: i would feel better if someone else did it as Im not versed with details of other sections
[21:45] <knome> eagles0513875_, i would rather see you do it.
[21:46] <eagles0513875_> but i still think more then anythign building software can stay there and we have how to's on how to compile various pieces of software from source
[21:46] <eagles0513875_> knome: i will do it but not tonight
[21:46] <knome> it's not a big deal, put eaccelerator under "web servers", and the other one under "web applications"
[21:46] <knome> when those are moved, the section on the frontpage can go
[21:46] <knome> eagles0513875_, feel like procrastinating there, aye?
[21:46] <knome> it's a 2 minute fix
[21:47] <eagles0513875_> ok im doing it now
[21:47] <knome> i cheated.
[21:47] <knome> 1 minute...
[21:47] <knome> thanks ;)
[21:49] <eagles0513875_> lol
[21:49] <eagles0513875_> how do you move the pages lol
[21:50] <knome> you don't.
[21:50] <knome> rather move the content.
[21:51] <belkinsa> Or rename the page
[21:51] <eagles0513875_> i was thinking of simply renaming the page
[21:51] <eagles0513875_> building web applications
[21:51] <knome> in this case, since content needs to be merged anyway, moving or deleting doesn't make sense
[21:52] <eagles0513875_> ok
[21:52] <knome> eagles0513875_, nope, that's not what i said
[21:53] <pleia2> we don't really like deleting/renaming unless there is a very good reason for it because it breaks links for folks who previously linked to pages, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/DeletingAndRenaming
[21:54] <eagles0513875_> pleia2: what do you think about the building software section
[21:54] <eagles0513875_> its a bit mis leading imho
[21:54] <pleia2> I'm at work now, don't have time to look at it right now
[21:54] <eagles0513875_> ok
[21:55] <knome> eagles0513875_, i've told you what i think about it, and it's a trivial thing really
[21:55] <eagles0513875_> ok
[21:56] <knome> i'll take care of the rest when you have merged the content
[21:56] <eagles0513875_> ok
[21:56] <eagles0513875_> let me get to a point here at work where i can focus on it
[21:57] <knome> sure
[23:25] <knome> eagles0513875_, hard time finding a spot?
[23:26] <eagles0513875_> knome: sadly yes :(
[23:26] <eagles0513875_> problems as usual :(
[23:26] <knome> ok, let's do it when you have time then,
[23:26] <eagles0513875_> dunno what time zone you are in
[23:26] <eagles0513875_> but im in central europe so i will be available when i wake in the morning
[23:27] <knome> don't worry, just ping me when you're around and i'll reply if i am
[23:27] <eagles0513875_> ok nights at work are never the best for me :(
[23:28] <knome> i understand. there's no hurry in fixing it
[23:30] <eagles0513875_> knome: i emailed myself so :) i dont forget
[23:30] <knome> worksforme