[00:02] humm have lots of things to try lol [00:02] eagles0513875_: please keep in mind you have to actually KNOW what you are writing [00:02] this means not making things up, making writing a document for "you" [00:02] ikonia: i know. [00:02] this means writing a document that other people can use, explains the situation etc [00:02] "To edit the grub2 config, bacon eggs and tomato." [00:03] eagles0513875_: this also means not copying and pasting things from other sites/documents [00:03] understood [00:04] And I sent the e-mail to the team and three others. [00:05] im not seeing any tags on any of the pages [00:07] eagles0513875_: add them :) [00:07] pleia2: belkinsa wasnt it agreed to have the versions on each page? [00:07] I don't remember. [00:07] no, too much work + maintenace burden [00:07] ok [00:07] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag this lists the tags, so when you see something that a tag, please add it [00:08] s/something that/something that needs a tag [00:09] :) [00:09] belkinsa: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BuildingSoftwareReceipts <-- title doesnt make much sense receipts?? [00:09] and the title of that page all together doesnt make much sense [00:11] eagles0513875_, are you familiar with the content/issue at hand? [00:12] knome: not quite please enlighten me [00:12] eagles0513875_, that's the point. [00:12] eagles0513875_, if you don't know anything about what the page concerning, don't touch it [00:12] i wont [00:13] to put it otherwise, calling them "package recipes" makes sense for those who understand that area [00:13] but on the main contents page it says building software [00:13] and reading that i think compiling from source [00:14] if you don't understand something that is on the wiki, it doesn't mean it's wrong [00:15] a good example of this is the postfix docs [00:15] what bout them [00:15] you argued they where wrong for weeks, but it was your lack of understanding of how an MTA works that was the problem, not the docs [00:17] ikonia: well now looking at them and seeing the logs i see alot of warnings about depreciated settings etc in 12.04 [00:17] im not going to argue this [00:18] right, warnings you ignored and copied blindly [00:18] so again - you're lack of understanding, not the documentation [00:18] something that didn't need fixing [00:18] IF it's not broke, don't fix it, eagles0513875_ [00:19] or if you don't understand it. [00:19] if you don't know if it's broke because you don't understand it - don't touch it [00:19] Sorry for butting in. [00:19] belkinsa: you are fine [00:19] not at all, someone has to say it [00:19] Heh. [00:26] ikonia, mind if I PM you? [00:26] no problem [00:28] always welcome [00:32] knome and pleia2: ping. [00:32] belkinsa: pleia2 = work call [00:32] belkinsa, yes? [00:33] Oh duh. [00:33] knome and ikonia, mind if we have a PM together in another room? [00:33] i can do that [00:37] Sent you an invite, knome. [01:10] * knome sits back on the comfy chair on the corner [01:10] knome, thank you for doing that with ikonia and me. [01:10] no problem! [01:12] ikonia, I shall. === jono is now known as Guest13828 [03:30] Hi my friends, my name is Juliano and I work with the Brazilian Doc Team, I hope to appear here frequently [03:30] welcome julianofischer [03:31] thank you, pleia2 [03:50] Someone can tell me when the 14.04 manual will be released for translation? (actually I do not know if already there is a 14.04 manual) [03:53] julianofischer: from ubuntu-manual.org ? [03:54] julianofischer: you want #ubuntu-manual for that, we're responsible for the documentation that's shipped with Ubuntu, available at help.ubuntu.com [03:54] March 20th is our documentation freeze, once we prepare the packages (typically takes a few days) it becomes open for translators [03:54] doh [06:15] pleias2: Time between documentation string freeze and ready for translation is actually now very short. Serverguide is a matter of hours, and most of that is launchpad automated stuff delays, which are much much shorter than they used to be. Desktop help is a little longer and also dependent on someone with upload rights. Still should not be worse than overnight. [06:23] dsmythies: ah, good to know! thanks :) [21:34] hey guys [21:38] belkinsa: ping [21:38] eagles0513875_, pong. [21:39] anyone else around care to discuss a section title on the community help wiki [21:39] eagles0513875_, why don't you just ask? [21:39] I know that needs to be changed to that, if it already hasn't. [21:39] (the real question, that is) [21:40] basically i understood what the section entitled building software does. basically its for web based software and flash based animated software and eaccelerate is. Wouldnt a better title be building web based software? [21:41] care to point us to the page? [21:41] https://help.ubuntu.com/community under software it says building software [21:42] if you click on it it tells you how to use eaccelerate and build flash based apps [21:42] Look, if it's not broke, DON'T fix it. [21:42] i guess the title could be better [21:42] belkinsa: agreed but i feel the name is a bit misleading [21:42] what im trying to say [21:43] when i see building software [21:43] Oh, there never mind. [21:43] i would expect a how to on how to compile from source [21:44] i would merge that page in the "applications" subsection "programming" or "servers/web", looking which one has more similar items [21:45] i guess the latter. [21:45] eagles0513875_, will you do that? [21:45] knome: i would feel better if someone else did it as Im not versed with details of other sections [21:45] eagles0513875_, i would rather see you do it. [21:46] but i still think more then anythign building software can stay there and we have how to's on how to compile various pieces of software from source [21:46] knome: i will do it but not tonight [21:46] it's not a big deal, put eaccelerator under "web servers", and the other one under "web applications" [21:46] when those are moved, the section on the frontpage can go [21:46] eagles0513875_, feel like procrastinating there, aye? [21:46] it's a 2 minute fix [21:47] ok im doing it now [21:47] i cheated. [21:47] 1 minute... [21:47] thanks ;) [21:49] lol [21:49] how do you move the pages lol [21:50] you don't. [21:50] rather move the content. [21:51] Or rename the page [21:51] i was thinking of simply renaming the page [21:51] building web applications [21:51] in this case, since content needs to be merged anyway, moving or deleting doesn't make sense [21:52] ok [21:52] eagles0513875_, nope, that's not what i said [21:53] we don't really like deleting/renaming unless there is a very good reason for it because it breaks links for folks who previously linked to pages, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/DeletingAndRenaming [21:54] pleia2: what do you think about the building software section [21:54] its a bit mis leading imho [21:54] I'm at work now, don't have time to look at it right now [21:54] ok [21:55] eagles0513875_, i've told you what i think about it, and it's a trivial thing really [21:55] ok [21:56] i'll take care of the rest when you have merged the content [21:56] ok [21:56] let me get to a point here at work where i can focus on it [21:57] sure [23:25] eagles0513875_, hard time finding a spot? [23:26] knome: sadly yes :( [23:26] problems as usual :( [23:26] ok, let's do it when you have time then, [23:26] dunno what time zone you are in [23:26] but im in central europe so i will be available when i wake in the morning [23:27] don't worry, just ping me when you're around and i'll reply if i am [23:27] ok nights at work are never the best for me :( [23:28] i understand. there's no hurry in fixing it [23:30] knome: i emailed myself so :) i dont forget [23:30] worksforme