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| Laney | did the ac100 kernel completely go away? | 11:08 |
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| Laney | IOW is the lubuntu-ac100 image dead? | 11:08 |
| ogra_ | it shouldnt be | 11:10 |
| ogra_ | did anyone talk to the ac100 people before killing it ? | 11:10 |
| ogra_ | (there is #ac100) | 11:11 |
| Laney | ogra_: deletion message says "Unmaintained in trusty" | 11:12 |
| ogra_ | sigh | 11:12 |
| ogra_ | who deleted it without talking to anyone | 11:12 |
| Laney | well, infinity did the deletion but I don't know what the discussions were | 11:13 |
| Laney | apw: ^? | 11:13 |
| ogra_ | he could have mailed the ML (and he is even a resident in #ac100 so he could have asked there) | 11:14 |
| ogra_ | the kernel didnt change and doesnt need any changes | 11:14 |
| ogra_ | (since the HW doesnt change either sand mainline is still not ready) | 11:14 |
| xnox | ogra_: Laney: can it not simply use "linux-generic" flavour? | 11:22 |
| ogra_ | xnox, not yet | 11:22 |
| ogra_ | xnox, with 3.15 or so it should be ready, but then flash-kernel needs changes too | 11:23 |
| ogra_ | for trusty it still needs to use the BSP kernel | 11:23 |
| apw | Laney, not anything to do with me that i know of? though i kernel which has no security, ugg | 11:27 |
| Laney | I'm sure it isn't, just thought you might know | 11:27 |
| ogra_ | Laney, i know ppisati worked a bit with ac100 stuff in the past (not sure he still does) | 11:35 |
| xnox | ogra_: apw: also hallyn was interested in updating ac100 kernel at one point. | 11:56 |
| ogra_ | xnox, well, the kernel itself might not be the prob as long as xfbdev can still run on it ... | 11:57 |
| ogra_ | xnox, but i think the mainline kernel doesnt work with the fastboot bootloader and flash-kernel kind of expects a -ac100 kernel ... the first one needs to be tested, the second one will need code changes/fixes | 11:58 |
| apw | Laney, no i didn't hear anything specific on it sorry | 12:04 |
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| infinity | Laney, ogra_: No, indeed, I didn't consult with anyone on the topic. It showed up in an archive report or other because of its sketchy packaging and weird intereaction with germinate, I realised that *no one* has uploaded it for anything except an FTBFS, and was pretty unhappy about shipping an ancient kernel with a ton of known security flaws. | 17:29 |
| infinity | ogra_: flash-kernel changes are trivial. Do we know if -generic *runs* on ac100 (I don't have one anymore). If it does, that's the right way forward. | 17:30 |
| ogra_ | infinity, well, i'm pretty unhappy that we let down the ac100 community | 17:30 |
| infinity | We let them down how? | 17:30 |
| ogra_ | -generic doesnt run with the bootloader | 17:30 |
| infinity | I didn't uninstall the kernel from their computers. | 17:30 |
| cjwatson | We must have been letting them down by not shipping security fixes to them | 17:30 |
| ogra_ | nio, but we dont give them any images anymore | 17:30 |
| cjwatson | Removing the kernel is hardly the worst of our failings | 17:30 |
| infinity | ogra_: No one's making new hardware, why do they need to reinstall every two days? | 17:31 |
| ogra_ | cjwatson, the preinstalled android 2.2 doesnt get any either on the ac100 | 17:31 |
| cjwatson | I don't think that's much of a justification, frankly | 17:31 |
| ogra_ | and it didnt bother anyone for the last few releases | 17:31 |
| ogra_ | why is it suddenly a problam | 17:31 |
| ogra_ | *problem | 17:31 |
| cjwatson | So we just ship it forever? | 17:31 |
| cjwatson | It has to become a problem at some point | 17:31 |
| infinity | It's bothered me for a long while. When it was first uploaded, I asked if anyone was going to maintain it, and was told "yes". | 17:31 |
| infinity | This was obviously a lie. | 17:31 |
| cjwatson | Mid-cycle isn't a terrible time | 17:31 |
| ogra_ | until we can provide -generic i was hoping | 17:32 |
| infinity | And I didn't feel like shipping it in another LTS. | 17:32 |
| ogra_ | and that wont happen before 3.15 | 17:32 |
| ogra_ | there are people working hard to make this happen | 17:32 |
| infinity | ogra_: Why the magic 3.15 number? If we know what patches are needed and they've just missed a merge window, maybe we can fix generic. | 17:32 |
| ogra_ | and i'm sure nobody will sit down and re-introduce the ac100 images in 14.10 | 17:32 |
| stgraber | this seems to suggest ac100 may run on 3.13 with the right cherry-picks: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.kernel/4750 | 17:33 |
| ogra_ | infinity, well, you are in #ac100, marvin24 is the guy making the port ready upstream ... together with srwarren from nvidia | 17:33 |
| infinity | Look, it took forever to find anyone to test ac100 images for the last release. So much so that it caused some sort of drama when I accidentally released them and the Lubuntu people flipped out because they weren't tested. | 17:33 |
| infinity | Building images we don't test on a kernel we don't support isn't doing anyone favours. | 17:34 |
| ogra_ | infinity, the point is that the installation of the image must be adjusted to flash u-boot over the old bootloader | 17:34 |
| ogra_ | infinity, there has a tester team formed for 14.04 | 17:34 |
| ogra_ | and they actually did tests for A1 (i dont think anyone mailed the ac100 ML to ask for A2 tests, i'm sure they would have done it) | 17:35 |
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