[11:08] <Laney> did the ac100 kernel completely go away?
[11:08] <Laney> IOW is the lubuntu-ac100 image dead?
[11:10] <ogra_> it shouldnt be
[11:10] <ogra_> did anyone talk to the ac100 people before killing it ?
[11:11] <ogra_> (there is #ac100)
[11:12] <Laney> ogra_: deletion message says "Unmaintained in trusty"
[11:12] <ogra_> sigh
[11:12] <ogra_> who deleted it without talking to anyone
[11:13] <Laney> well, infinity did the deletion but I don't know what the discussions were
[11:13] <Laney> apw: ^?
[11:14] <ogra_> he could have mailed the ML (and he is even a resident in #ac100 so he could have asked there)
[11:14] <ogra_> the kernel didnt change and doesnt need any changes
[11:14] <ogra_> (since the HW doesnt change either sand mainline is still not ready)
[11:22] <xnox> ogra_: Laney: can it not simply use "linux-generic" flavour?
[11:22] <ogra_> xnox, not yet
[11:23] <ogra_> xnox, with 3.15 or so it should be ready, but then flash-kernel needs changes too
[11:23] <ogra_> for trusty it still needs to use the BSP kernel
[11:27] <apw> Laney, not anything to do with me that i know of?  though i kernel which has no security, ugg
[11:27] <Laney> I'm sure it isn't, just thought you might know
[11:35] <ogra_> Laney, i know ppisati worked a bit with ac100 stuff in the past (not sure he still does)
[11:56] <xnox> ogra_: apw: also hallyn was interested in updating ac100 kernel at one point.
[11:57] <ogra_> xnox, well, the kernel itself might not be the prob as long as xfbdev can still run on it ...
[11:58] <ogra_> xnox, but i think the mainline kernel doesnt work with the fastboot bootloader and flash-kernel kind of expects a -ac100 kernel ... the first one needs to be tested, the second one will need code changes/fixes
[12:04] <apw> Laney, no i didn't hear anything specific on it sorry
[17:29] <infinity> Laney, ogra_: No, indeed, I didn't consult with anyone on the topic.  It showed up in an archive report or other because of its sketchy packaging and weird intereaction with germinate, I realised that *no one* has uploaded it for anything except an FTBFS, and was pretty unhappy about shipping an ancient kernel with a ton of known security flaws.
[17:30] <infinity> ogra_: flash-kernel changes are trivial.  Do we know if -generic *runs* on ac100 (I don't have one anymore).  If it does, that's the right way forward.
[17:30] <ogra_> infinity, well, i'm pretty unhappy that we let down the ac100 community
[17:30] <infinity> We let them down how?
[17:30] <ogra_> -generic doesnt run with the bootloader
[17:30] <infinity> I didn't uninstall the kernel from their computers.
[17:30] <cjwatson> We must have been letting them down by not shipping security fixes to them
[17:30] <ogra_> nio, but we dont give them any images anymore
[17:30] <cjwatson> Removing the kernel is hardly the worst of our failings
[17:31] <infinity> ogra_: No one's making new hardware, why do they need to reinstall every two days?
[17:31] <ogra_> cjwatson, the preinstalled android 2.2 doesnt get any either on the ac100
[17:31] <cjwatson> I don't think that's much of a justification, frankly
[17:31] <ogra_> and it didnt bother anyone for the last few releases
[17:31] <ogra_> why is it suddenly a problam
[17:31] <ogra_> *problem
[17:31] <cjwatson> So we just ship it forever?
[17:31] <cjwatson> It has to become a problem at some point
[17:31] <infinity> It's bothered me for a long while.  When it was first uploaded, I asked if anyone was going to maintain it, and was told "yes".
[17:31] <infinity> This was obviously a lie.
[17:31] <cjwatson> Mid-cycle isn't a terrible time
[17:32] <ogra_> until we can provide -generic i was hoping
[17:32] <infinity> And I didn't feel like shipping it in another LTS.
[17:32] <ogra_> and that wont happen before 3.15
[17:32] <ogra_> there are people working hard to make this happen
[17:32] <infinity> ogra_: Why the magic 3.15 number?  If we know what patches are needed and they've just missed a merge window, maybe we can fix generic.
[17:32] <ogra_> and i'm sure nobody will sit down and re-introduce the ac100 images in 14.10
[17:33] <stgraber> this seems to suggest ac100 may run on 3.13 with the right cherry-picks: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.kernel/4750
[17:33] <ogra_> infinity, well, you are in #ac100, marvin24 is the guy making the port ready upstream ... together with srwarren from nvidia
[17:33] <infinity> Look, it took forever to find anyone to test ac100 images for the last release.  So much so that it caused some sort of drama when I accidentally released them and the Lubuntu people flipped out because they weren't tested.
[17:34] <infinity> Building images we don't test on a kernel we don't support isn't doing anyone favours.
[17:34] <ogra_> infinity, the point is that the installation of the image must be adjusted to flash u-boot over the old bootloader
[17:34] <ogra_> infinity, there has a tester team formed for 14.04
[17:35] <ogra_> and they actually did tests for A1 (i dont think anyone mailed the ac100 ML to ask for A2 tests, i'm sure they would have done it)