[00:00] <ochosi> behold, trusty's new greeter looks: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-11-005943.php
[00:01] <knome> note, the ugly lego person not included by default
[00:01]  * knome hides
[00:01] <ochosi> yeah, that's your loss though!
[00:32] <bluesabre> fancy
[00:32] <bluesabre> btw, documentation is not very fun
[00:32] <bluesabre> sorry slickymaster and jjfrv8 for making you do so much :)
[00:33] <slickymaster> np, bluesabre 
[00:33] <knome> bluesabre, depends... ;)
[00:37] <Unit193> bluesabre+1
[00:39] <bluesabre> so, once I populate this with more than old screenshots and lorem ipsum, it should be sufficient, slickymaster? http://wiki.smdavis.us/doku.php?id=menulibre_usage
[00:44] <slickymaster> lol bluesabre, wasn't that the parole docs?
[00:44] <bluesabre> quick copy+paste job :)
[00:44] <bluesabre> and adding the dos structure
[00:44] <bluesabre> *docs
[00:44] <slickymaster> but yeah, I think that we'll be able to work with it
[00:44] <bluesabre> k
[00:45] <bluesabre> I'll try to wrap that up tonight
[00:45] <slickymaster> thanks for that bluesabre 
[00:45] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: ^^^
[00:45] <bluesabre> sure thing
[00:45] <jjfrv8> just got here and saw it. thanks.
[00:46] <Unit193> jjfrv8: Hello!
[00:46] <slickymaster> hey, jjfrv8 my proposal for the xfdestop of the settings-preferences chapter: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6911856/
[00:46] <slickymaster> ping me after you see it
[00:46] <jjfrv8> hey, Unit193 
[00:46] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, will take a look here in a sec
[00:46] <slickymaster> if you're ok with it, I'll make a MP
[00:47] <slickymaster> okie dokie
[00:48] <jjfrv8> bluesabre, will the MenuLibre docs have to be flavor-agnostic, unlike the xfce stuff we've done up til now?
[00:48] <jjfrv8> or maybe not agnostic actually but show things like how it works with Unity?
[00:49] <ali1234> does it even work with unity?
[00:49] <jjfrv8> in his screencast on his website, the older version did
[00:49] <bluesabre> jjfrv8: I'll add screenshots for each DE and a section on that support
[00:49] <bluesabre> ali1234: unity, xfce, gnome, lxde, cimmamon, mate
[00:49] <ali1234> kde?
[00:49] <bluesabre> never tried
[00:50]  * bluesabre is not a fan of qt/kde
[00:50] <ali1234> it should do, they have a menu and it uses xdg
[00:50] <bluesabre> but theoretically it should
[00:50] <bluesabre> it's based on alacarte's code
[00:50] <bluesabre> but, it works
[00:50] <bluesabre> :)
[00:51] <bluesabre> I should check that out at some point
[00:51] <ochosi> :)
[00:52] <bluesabre> though I think kde has their own menu editor
[01:05] <slickymaster> I'm off 
[01:05] <knome> hf slickymaster 
[01:05] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, sorry, I know it's late for you. I should have my comments ready for you tomorrow
[01:05] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: I'll catch up on your feedback on the logs, later on
[01:05] <slickymaster> cy guys tomorrow
[01:05] <slickymaster> ->
[01:06] <Unit193> jjfrv8: So do you want me to set -R jjfrv8 on every MP? :P
[01:06] <jjfrv8> will I know any more about them than the first one?
[01:07] <Unit193> Hah, there's a chance.  Just thinking generally.
[01:07] <jjfrv8> sure, why not. I might even learn something.
[01:07] <Unit193> (Not from me! :P )
[01:07] <jjfrv8> :)
[01:35] <elfy> knome: thanks - missed that 
[01:36] <knome> elfy, what? :)
[01:36] <elfy> :)
[01:42] <bluesabre> section 1/3 complete: http://wiki.smdavis.us/doku.php?id=menulibre_usage
[01:42] <bluesabre> *phew*
[01:42] <knome> bluesabre, ooh ooh
[02:08] <knome> off, see you all later
[02:18] <forestpiskie> ochosi: no way to do anything other than log back in when logged out presently - all the menu's have gone
[02:41] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, my comments/suggestions at http://paste.ubuntu.com/6912644/  The line numbers refer to those in your original paste.
[03:06] <bluesabre> foresktpiskie: edit lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf, comment out show-indicators
[03:06] <bluesabre> i.e. 
[03:06] <bluesabre> #show-indicators=
[03:23] <a5m0> hmm my mainline kernel updater installed the low-latency kernel :/ not sure if good or bad
[04:52] <Noskcaj> ochosi, pong
[04:52] <Noskcaj> There's too much scrollback for me to read that, plus i have cadets in two hours
[07:44] <forestpiskie> bluesabre: thanks
[07:44] <forestpiskie> ochosi: the user box in the login screen is half black/half white here :)
[08:09] <ochosi> forestpiskie: yes i know, xubuntu-default-settings are currently lacking
[08:10] <ochosi> forestpiskie: the other thing is that a greybird update hasn't landed yet
[08:10] <elfy> ok - just shouting out when I see stuff :)
[08:10] <ochosi> i pushed it already yesterday, but you'll have to wait for them to land
[08:10] <ochosi> sure
[08:10] <ochosi> i appreciate it
[08:11] <ochosi> it's really really annoying that we can't even push to x-d-s, so merge-requests are just hanging out there
[08:12] <elfy> I can understand that - is the change to lightlocker from xscreensaver waiting for the same thing? I assume so
[08:14] <ochosi> yeah, it's similar
[08:14] <ochosi> i mean someone would still have to upload changes, but without even having them in our bzr branches, who would upload them...
[08:15] <elfy> :)
[08:15] <ali1234> what is x-d-s?
[08:15] <elfy> xubuntu default settings
[08:16] <elfy> I saw that micahg was actioned to push Noskcaj's dmb membership to e-mail voting yesterday 
[08:17] <ochosi> aha
[08:17] <ochosi> did anything happen there?
[08:17] <elfy> only that it was pushed to e-mial vote
[08:17]  * elfy apparently got subscribed to a whole bunch of stuff as a byproduct of being in the CC 
[08:18] <elfy> much scratching of head ensued ... 
[08:18] <ochosi> :)
[08:21] <elfy> ochosi: aaand - login box is now white and offwhite - so I guess that's the greybird update
[08:21] <Unit193> No more black. :(
[08:24] <elfy> no more black
[08:24] <elfy> #useful - can see things without glasses again :p
[08:46] <ochosi> good to hear
[08:50] <zequence> Does Xubuntu have both xubuntu and xfce sessions? And if not, how do you go about removing the xfce session?
[08:50] <ochosi> it does
[08:51] <zequence> ok. thanks
[08:55] <ali1234> it has both sessions but there are no obvious differences between them last time i tried
[08:57] <ochosi> i think less stuff is started by default in xfce, and settings are more upstreamy
[08:57] <ochosi> e.g. menu-file
[09:35] <elfy> ochosi: when you know that xscreensaver and light-locker are sorted in the seed could you remind me - I'll need to sync the test tracker for it
[09:37] <ochosi> elfy: ok, will do
[09:37] <ochosi> but generally, i don't know who will update the seed (i guess micahg ?)
[09:37] <ochosi> there should be merge-requests ready
[09:37] <ochosi> if not, they'd be easy enough to do
[09:39] <elfy> yea understood - I'm completely at sea tbh - I generally only notice when I go and physically look, unless I remember to check changelogs - and it's usually updating during the first cuppa ;)
[09:39] <Unit193> ochosi: There are.
[09:41] <elfy> Unit193: thanks
[09:46] <slickymaster-job> morning all
[09:48] <ochosi> morning
[09:48] <slickymaster-job> morning ac
[09:48] <slickymaster-job> ochosi: 
[09:54] <elfy> hi slickymaster-job 
[09:56] <slickymaster-job> hey elfy, good morning
[10:18] <slickymaster-job> ochosi: can you confirm me whether the Xfdesktop -docs will be migrated to docs.xfce.org/ before docfreeze?
[10:37] <slickymaster-job> jjfrv8: didn't knew about that convention. In the Mugshot section I just used &mugshot; so I'm going to reflect the convention also there so it will be corrected.
[10:37] <slickymaster-job> jjfrv8: As for the other suggestions, I think you're right and I've made the necessary changes accordingly
[10:48] <ochosi> slickymaster-job: when is doc-freeze again?
[10:49] <slickymaster-job> ochosi: March, 20th
[10:50] <slickymaster-job> ochosi: I'm asking because, presently we have its section in the Xub -docs yet linking to bluesabre's wiki
[10:54] <ochosi> yeah, i thought you were asking because of that
[10:54] <ochosi> i'll see to it that it gets there in time
[10:54] <ochosi> i've already thought of two ways, 1) being the versioned docs, 2) being updating what's there now
[10:55] <ochosi> and i asked eric and he's fine with it
[10:55] <ochosi> so basically i'll wait for the versioned docs a little longer and in case that doesn't happen in time, we can land them in the mixed mode
[10:55] <ochosi> (i.e. reflecting 4.8-4.12)
[10:57] <slickymaster-job> ok, let us wait then
[11:00] <ochosi> well, i suggest you change the ref in the xubuntu-docs to xfce.org already now
[11:00] <ochosi> that way we're not dependant on anything
[11:01] <ochosi> (i have edit-rights on docs.xfce.org to the worst)
[11:02] <ochosi> with dependant i mean: dependant on freezes or anything
[11:02] <ochosi> as long as docs.xfce gets an update before our release, it's fine if our docs point there
[11:02] <slickymaster-job> ok, I'm going to do a MP by lunch time and I'll include that correction in it also
[11:02] <ochosi> great
[11:03] <ochosi> if you're tracking the docs-process somehow, feel free to put in a workitem for you or me that says "check whether docs.xfce already holds info on xfdesktop4.11"
[11:03] <slickymaster-job> thanks for the heads up, ochosi 
[11:03] <ochosi> that way we can keep an overview
[11:03] <ochosi> no problemo
[11:04] <slickymaster-job> just a last thing ochosi, the link will still be http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/start, right?
[11:04] <ochosi> yes, ideally it will
[11:04] <slickymaster-job> ok, I'll use that one
[11:04] <ochosi> thing is, with versioned docs it might be xfdesktop/4.12/start
[11:04] <ochosi> but we'll see about that
[11:05] <ochosi> point to the master-page now
[11:06] <slickymaster-job> okie dokie, I'll use http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/start for now, and if needed it will be corrected
[11:06] <ochosi> yup
[11:07] <ochosi> (or we add a notice on that start page that there are docs for multiple versions)
[11:07] <slickymaster-job> if it gets to that, it's a good solution
[11:35] <slickymaster-job> ochosi: added that in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-docs
[12:22] <knome> bluesabre, Unit193 could you prepare a new xubuntu-docs upload?
[12:22] <Unit193> knome: Translations?
[12:22] <knome> would really like to get all the new stuff in the branch in in trusty now
[12:22] <knome> Unit193, with or without translations, maybe latter would be better if it's doable
[12:22] <Unit193> Pending review?
[12:22] <Unit193> Ah, then perhaps don't merge that yet.
[12:23] <knome> would be good to get them in relatively soon
[12:23] <bluesabre> knome: could you poke micahg to get some traction on the merge requests?
[12:23] <ochosi> +1
[12:24] <ochosi> FF is approaching...
[12:24] <knome> bluesabre, i have
[12:24] <bluesabre> k, thanks :)
[12:24] <knome> micahg, ping
[12:24] <Unit193> [knome] Find out how to ship translated documentation: DONE  Oh?
[12:25] <knome> Unit193, well, your work item
[12:25] <knome> Unit193, basically, we know how (one way) to ship them
[12:25] <knome> and i'm fine with that
[12:25] <Unit193> Well, it's quite static, build time too. :/
[12:25] <knome> that's better than no translations for trusty
[12:26] <knome> we can improve it later
[12:27] <Unit193> OK.
[12:27] <knome> or do you have an idea how to pull out a developer from nowhere along with more time for micahg?
[12:28] <knome> it's not too late to improve them this cycle
[12:28]  * Unit193 is no dev. :D
[12:28] <knome> well that's why i was asking whether you knew how to get one to appear from nowhere :P
[12:29] <bluesabre> if we could summon mrpouit, he can also handle mergey stuff
[12:29] <knome> but seriously... just shipping translations in any way is a huge improvement from the situation in 12.04 when released (outdated docs with no translations)
[12:29] <knome> if the build time is slow, who cares?
[12:30] <knome> we don't have dozens of languages anyway
[12:31] <Unit193> Build time = updated at build time.
[12:32] <knome> hmm well,
[12:32] <knome> we could drop that
[12:32] <Unit193> I'd like ru finished, and es at >80, but meh.
[12:32] <knome> and just make sure we've updated before.
[12:32] <Unit193> No, there is no updated at build time, that's my point. :P
[12:32] <knome> aha
[12:32] <Unit193> Anywho, got a mockup?
[12:33] <knome> for what?
[12:33] <knome> the languages frontpage?
[12:33] <Unit193> Yeah.
[12:33] <knome> btw, are we translating the startpage?
[12:33] <knome> no?
[12:33] <knome> the languages landing page needs to be similar to that
[12:34] <knome> do we want to translate those?
[12:34] <knome> do you know how to add a similar page?
[12:34] <Unit193> As far as I know, no, there is no translation of the startpage.
[12:34] <knome> considering the user picks a translation there...
[12:34] <knome> maybe it isn't sane to translate it
[12:34] <knome> unless we can get automatic language probing.
[12:37] <knome> was thinking we could try to use some JS, but looks like there isn't really a clean way to get even browsers language preferences?
[12:37] <knome> -?
[12:38] <Unit193> I wouldn't.
[12:38] <knome> and i wonder if those are even updated when using another language in ubuntu, probably not
[12:38] <knome> point being, if you don't have JS, then you'll get the english version
[12:39] <knome> if you do, and non-english language that exist is identified, you'd get redirected to the language version
[12:39] <Unit193> Landing page English, Language names in those Languages.  Can depend on that the most really.
[12:40] <knome> you think we should add those in the main about page, or another?
[12:40] <knome> was thinking it could be a list in the main page as well
[12:40] <knome> maybe not one per line, but a long listing at the bottom
[12:40] <Unit193> http://unit193.net/xubuntu/ <---- that page.
[12:41] <knome> that's a bit meh
[12:41] <Unit193> (Not like how I have it.)
[12:41] <knome> blah
[12:41] <knome> maybe we should review that page altogether
[12:41] <Unit193> Don't like it on that one?  Where else?
[12:41] <knome> reworked.
[12:42] <knome> we should probably drop the introduction paragraph.
[12:42] <knome> at least the "the ubuntu project..."
[12:42] <knome> then maybe add a new heading for "xubuntu documentation"
[12:43] <knome> and rename "get help & support" to "other support methods" or sth.
[12:43] <knome> and rethink the "report bugs"
[12:43] <knome> maybe we could be a bit more verbose on the "get involved" section
[12:43] <knome> and drop the "report bugs" bullet point
[12:43] <knome> i'll come up with a new draft for that today.
[13:37] <slickymaster> knome: if you'd be so kind: https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/+merge/205771
[13:57] <knome> slickymaster, done
[14:00] <slickymaster> ok, knome 
[14:00] <slickymaster> thanks
[14:00] <knome> no problem
[14:01] <knome> slickymaster, now go update the blueprint;)
[14:01] <slickymaster> i'll do it when i get back to work
[14:01] <knome> have been cleaning them up again, already looks better: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-t/group/topic-t-flavor-xubuntu.html
[14:01] <knome> well i can do that now, i have the page open
[14:01] <slickymaster> having lunch as i type
[14:01] <knome> done
[14:02] <slickymaster> appreciate it
[14:02] <slickymaster> tk :)
[14:03] <knome> heh, np
[14:03] <knome> rather update the blueprints than do all the work items ;)
[14:03] <slickymaster> no doubts about that ;)
[14:04] <knome> ochosi, bluesabre: bug 1277149 ?
[14:05] <knome> ochosi, bluesabre:  [xubuntu-dev] Look into creating a GUI for light-locker settings (or integrate into xfce4-powermanager): TODO ?
[15:36] <ochosi> knome: what about that bug, there's already a branch by Noskcaj
[15:36] <ochosi> and yeah, not sure what will happen wrt light-locker UI
[15:36] <knome> ochosi, okay, is it being tested?
[15:36] <ochosi> by whom?
[15:36] <knome> anybody?
[15:36] <ochosi> not sure?
[15:36] <ochosi> :)
[15:37] <ochosi> bbl
[18:01] <brainwash> ochosi: do we have to backport all the xfdesktop fixes/changes?
[18:04] <brainwash> currently I only report upstream and hope that a new possible release will land in trusty eventually
[18:07] <slickymaster-job> bbl ->
[18:20] <ochosi> brainwash: if there's a bugfix-only release, we can get that in after FF
[18:20] <ochosi> if there are no features, then we can't, that's the easy rule
[18:20] <ochosi> asking for exceptions is possible, but tedious
[18:21] <brainwash> is adjusting the icon size/spacing a bug fix? :)
[18:22] <brainwash> the new release will be a mix of bug fixes and small new features I guess :/
[18:25] <brainwash> ochosi: can you confirm https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10685 ?
[18:25] <brainwash> or is your SSD too fast?
[19:25] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, i think i see that as well
[19:47] <Noskcaj> ochosi, you pinged?
[22:06] <ochosi> Noskcaj-school: yeah, i just wanted to inform you about the gtk3 indicators/panel status
[22:06] <ochosi> what i pinged you about came after the ping
[22:06]  * Noskcaj-school searches for logs
[22:08] <ochosi> Noskcaj-school: head-line: we should try to get our stuff independently of whether ubuntu manages to fix the indicators before FF
[22:08] <ochosi> because they can also fix them afterwards (and probably will)
[22:08] <ochosi> and we can do the same, if a panel-release happens after FF
[22:08] <ochosi> and i vaguely remember you mentioned preparing them for uploading soonish
[22:09] <Noskcaj-school> ok, i'll get some git snapshots working on when i get home
[22:09] <ochosi> great!
[22:10] <brainwash> we also need a new xfce4-indicator-plugin release
[22:10] <ochosi> yeah, but that's pending on the panel-release
[22:11] <ochosi> so git-snapshot for both now
[22:11] <ochosi> and update them to release as soon as possible
[22:11] <brainwash> can you confirm https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10658 ?
[22:11] <brainwash> not that important anymore, because you intend to make the panel transparent (80%)
[22:12] <brainwash> so this glitch won't occur
[22:12] <ochosi> yeah, but still, it should be fixed
[22:12] <ochosi> and your patch looks valid at first glance
[22:12] <brainwash> that would be great
[22:12] <Unit193> Sure it will, just might not notice as much.  Also non-default config.
[22:13] <ochosi> and i can reproduce it
[22:13] <Unit193> Yep.
[22:13] <ochosi> andrzejr: could you take a look at this bug and the patch attached? https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10658
[22:13] <brainwash> I guess that eric should have a look and fix it
[22:13] <ochosi> eric has no push-rights to the panel
[22:13] <ochosi> so he could only prepare a patch
[22:14] <brainwash> yes, but he provided the transparency fix initially
[22:14] <ochosi> but since you did that already, it's better to ask someone who has push-rights to the panel
[22:15] <brainwash> I'll add Andrzej to the cc list then
[22:16] <brainwash> better fix the stuff now and don't bother with it later before or even after release
[22:20] <brainwash> ochosi: no bold font for the icon labels anymore, correct?
[22:20] <ochosi> brainwash: you mean in the panel?
[22:20] <ochosi> and if so, where exactly?
[22:21] <brainwash> nono, xfdesktop
[22:21] <brainwash> font is normal now, was bold before
[22:24] <ochosi> yeah, murrine's shadow setting is broken, so xfdesktop's is used instead
[22:24] <ochosi> can't draw a shadow around the whole character anymore
[22:24] <ochosi> and that turned out more readable, end of story
[22:24] <brainwash> ok
[22:34] <ochosi> knome: re: the patch for thunar, it was written by xfdesktop's maintainer, so i'd presume it works fine
[22:34] <ochosi> and it's fairly clear why the current plugin can't work and what has to be done
[22:34] <ochosi> so a rather straight-forward thingy
[22:35] <knome> ochosi, sure, thanks
[22:37] <dockelley> Hi, can anyone tell me the status of time-admin and users-admin in Xubuntu trusty?  I can't find them in alpha2.  "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?" --Chicago -
[22:39] <ochosi> dockelley: how can you not find them?
[22:39] <ochosi> they're in the settings-manager here (also on trusty, daily though)
[22:39] <brainwash> dockelley: gnome-system-tools got fixed, you should download and apply the latest updates
[22:39] <knome> they might have been not around for alpha 2, there was some failed packaging magic...
[22:45] <dockelley> Thanks so much. That installed them.  Now I can know who and when I am!
[22:50] <slickymaster> hey, if gst finally got fixed, bug 1185396 can also finally be solved
[22:52] <brainwash> and bug 1016932
[22:53] <brainwash> too bad it's not maintained properly anymore
[22:55] <slickymaster> yeah, but apparently gst still has a maintainer at debian
[22:57] <brainwash> ..who did not comment on your debian report yet :(
[22:57] <brainwash> will the normal user even notice this segfault?
[22:58] <brainwash> apport gets deactivated on release
[22:58] <slickymaster> you're right brainwash not even taht he has been able to do so far
[22:58] <slickymaster> IMO, no. 
[22:59] <brainwash> maybe the MATE guys fixed it in their fork mate-system-tools
[23:00] <brainwash> I'll take a look at their changelog
[23:00] <slickymaster> it would be great if they did
[23:02] <brainwash> but.. does it still segfault? I did confirm that it does on trusty back in december
[23:03] <brainwash> and apport is enabled since alpha 1 or?
[23:03] <ochosi> xnox: ping
[23:14] <ochosi> xnox: since you offered your help once in case we were in need of an uploader, this would be a package waiting for upload: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1279113
[23:18] <bluesabre> I think xnox is a debian maintainer
[23:19] <Unit193> Both.
[23:21] <xnox> bluesabre: am a Debian Developer and Ubuntu Core Dev.
[23:21] <bluesabre> super cow powers
[23:21] <bluesabre> :)
[23:22] <ochosi> indeed :)
[23:22] <bluesabre> awesome
[23:22] <bluesabre> xnox: does that mean you get two copies of every valve game?
[23:22] <bluesabre> :D
[23:22] <knome> bluesabre, no, it means he gets double bug mail
[23:23] <bluesabre> and he hangs around us
[23:23] <bluesabre> poor xnox
[23:23] <knome> maybe he's a bug mail collector
[23:23] <knome> bugistelia
[23:26] <ArchXfce> Hi!
[23:26] <ochosi> !hello
[23:27] <ArchXfce> I'm an Archlinux user that simply loves Xfce and the work you did with Xubuntu.
[23:27]  * knome bows
[23:27] <knome> ouch! the forehead hit the table!
[23:28] <ArchXfce> I'm trying to use some of yours indicator on Arch, but it seems I've got some problems...
[23:28] <Unit193> Is the AUR pulling from bzr or a released version?  What's wrong?
[23:28] <ochosi> ... and have you read this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/Gtk3Indicators
[23:29] <ochosi> (and the other one at s/Saucy/Trusty/)
[23:29] <ArchXfce> I can add the indicator plugin to the panel, but even if I install an indicator, it won't appear there.
[23:29] <ArchXfce> Mmm... So basically all my packages are outdated?
[23:29] <ArchXfce> 12 Unity-for-Arch/indicator-sound 12.10.2daily13.11.25-101 (unity) [installed] 15 Unity-for-Arch/libdbusmenu-glib 12.10.3daily13.11.25-100 (unity) [installed] 16 Unity-for-Arch/libdbusmenu-gtk2 12.10.3daily13.11.25-100 (unity) [installed] 17 Unity-for-Arch/libdbusmenu-gtk3 12.10.3daily13.11.25-100 (unity) [installed: 12.10.2-3] 19 Unity-for-Arch/libindicator 12.10.2daily14.01.29-100 (unity) [installed] 29 Unity-for-Arch-Extra/x
[23:30] <Unit193> ArchXfce: What about xfce4-panel?  Needs to be from git and compiled with the gtk3 wrapper.
[23:30] <ochosi> that's one way to look at it
[23:30] <ochosi> or you use the gtk2 indicators only
[23:30] <ochosi> (the ones that work are -sound and -application)
[23:31] <ArchXfce> Unit193: thanks, but I prefer (if I can make it work) the solution proposed by ochosi. The problem is, I've got indicator-sound installed, but it won't show up and I don't know how to get some information on what's wrong.
[23:32] <ArchXfce> Is there a way to launch it from the terminal to see what I'm missing?
[23:32] <Unit193> I see, then you will need the indicator-sound-gtk2 package, and you get get more output if you run the panel from the terminal.
[23:34] <ArchXfce> Unit193: thanks, but I see that I need gtk2-ubuntu package to make it work. I think I'll do it tomorrow.
[23:34] <ochosi> good luck then
[23:34] <knome> ArchXfce, remember... if everything fails, you can always install xubuntu
[23:34] <ArchXfce> Just a question: if I want to do it exactly *the Xubuntu way* should I compile the gtk3 version?
[23:34] <Unit193> ochosi: What was the last xfce4-indicator-plugin to work with gtk2?
[23:34] <ochosi> 1.0 iirc
[23:35] <ochosi> from 2.0 it supported gtk3 only
[23:35] <ArchXfce> knome: I already use Xubuntu at work, at home I prefer something more *fun* :D
[23:35] <knome> ArchXfce, building packages is fun?
[23:35]  * knome makes note not to attend ArchXfce's "parties" ;)
[23:37] <ArchXfce> knome: building packages, trying to do exotic things like *steal* other DE component... I like those things :D
[23:37] <ochosi> daily packages of the indicator-plugin can be found here btw: https://code.launchpad.net/~landronimirc/+archive/xfce-daily
[23:38] <ochosi> lderan: peng!
[23:38] <knome> ArchXfce, have fun with that :)
[23:39] <ali1234> ArchXfce: you need very up to date indicator libraries for it to work
[23:39] <lderan> ochosi, hello
[23:39] <ArchXfce> Ok, let's consider this a challenge, I'll try to do my best
[23:39] <ochosi> lderan: disclaimer: knome set me up to this!
[23:39] <ArchXfce> Thanks *A LOT* for the informations!
[23:39] <ochosi> lderan: soo, he mentioned that you might be up to writing a small settings UI in python..?
[23:39] <knome> hah!
[23:40] <lderan> ochosi, sounds interesting
[23:40] <ArchXfce> Have a nice day/night, bye!
[23:40] <ochosi> lderan: we've been thinking about doing one for light-locker
[23:41] <lderan> ah i see cool
[23:41] <ochosi> Unit193: wanna subscribe the sponsors to the wallpaper-pkg bug?
[23:42] <ochosi> lderan: there are not many settings to implement, but the crucial thing is that we don't store the settings anywhere currently
[23:42] <Unit193> Kind of want a pointer on how to upload one that has (LP: 923487)  without changing the version that'll be in Ubuntu. :P
[23:43] <ochosi> lderan: so we might have to work around that somehow, should be still possible as a xubuntu-only solution for now though
[23:44] <lderan> ochosi, i would be up for that :D
[23:44] <ochosi> lderan: cool, mind if i PM you about that instead of flooding this chan?
[23:45] <lderan> sure