[00:13] <valorie> I find the file, and did some minor editing of the notes
[00:14] <valorie> "In order to export your bookmarks" -- from where?
[00:14] <valorie> Bookmark editor opens up in Documents, which is not much help
[01:02] <valorie> ....and dinner time
[01:45] <Darkwing> been a while
[02:44] <valorie> hey Darkwing
[02:45] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}
[02:45] <valorie> how are ya?
[02:47] <ahoneybun> omg Darkwing
[08:26] <apachelogger> ahoneybun, shadeslayer: the point is that people who previously used rekonq (yes, all three of them) will not have their data imported to firefox, so a guide on how to do it manually is in order
[08:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I turned off bug reports for the driver-manager project
[08:34] <apachelogger> bugs ought to go to the package
[08:58] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1247802] language KCM sets incorrect LANGUAGE @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1247802 (by Gabor Vas)
[09:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: have you filed a binary&source removal bug?
[09:15] <apachelogger> for synatpiks
[09:58] <kubotu> feed runtime-bugs had 8 updates, showing the latest 3
[09:58] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1176023] Clock applet problem, unable to connect to ntp servers @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1176023 (by Hveem)
[09:58] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1204182] setlocale.sh can break user-chosen locales and encodings @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1204182 (by Graeme Hewson)
[09:58] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1243620] Languages not displayed correctly in "language control module": German and English are emp... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1243620 (by Daniel Hahler)
[10:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also I am wondering whether we shouldn't have a transitional package to makes sure people get kde-touchpad
[10:15] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:01]  * Riddell nudges apachelogger, shadeslayer, yofel, anyone useful into reviewing cirkuit in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages
[11:03]  * apachelogger lookz
[11:03] <Riddell> and dpic
[11:04] <Riddell> the debian/watch file I'm unsure about
[11:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: cirkuit, if I am not mistaken this should only be used for actual SC software: include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/debian-qt-kde.mk
[11:05] <apachelogger> totally nto sure, though, yofel will know ^^
[11:06] <Riddell> dhmk should be good for any kde software I'd have thought
[11:06] <apachelogger> I do now know, there's also the dhonly module
[11:06] <apachelogger> --with kde
[11:07]  * Riddell asks debian
[11:07] <Riddell> right, if you want plain dh, the purpose of dhmk is to have a dh where make works as expected
[11:08] <Riddell> with plain dh you often end up hand edited debhelper.log files to do a partial rebuild
[11:08] <apachelogger> you do Oo
[11:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: there are bogus spaces between package stanzas
[11:09] <apachelogger> debian/copyright exceeds 80 chars/line on:
[11:09] <apachelogger> Copyright: © 2011 Matteo Agostinelli <agostinelli@gmail.com>                        <matteo.agostinelli@uni-klu.ac.at>
[11:09] <Riddell> totally bogus dude!
[11:09] <apachelogger> alas, that looks silly anyway ^^
[11:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: usr/lib/kde4/* in the lib's install defeats the purpose of soversioning the package name
[11:12] <Riddell> how so?
[11:13] <apachelogger> the point of soversioning is so that you can have libcirkuit1 and libcuirkuit2 installed at the same time, which is impossible because they are conflicting
[11:16] <apachelogger> Riddell:   no matching hrefs for watch line
[11:16] <apachelogger>   http://wwwu.uni-klu.ac.at/magostin/cirkuit.html  src/cirkuit-([\d\.]+)\.tar\.bz2
[11:16] <apachelogger> watch file seems incorrect
[11:16] <Riddell> fixes welcome :)
[11:17] <Riddell> it looks good to me, I can't work out what it wants
[11:17] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[11:17] <apachelogger> haven't written a watch file in 3000 years
[11:17] <Riddell> meh
[11:18] <apachelogger> IMO one should watch git tags, but oh well
[11:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: dpic changelog might want to mention what was dfsg stripped
[11:19] <Riddell> should be in README.source
[11:19] <apachelogger> yes, I am saying it shoudl also be in the changelog
[11:20] <apachelogger> like you also put the remaining delta in the changelog when merging with debina
[11:20] <apachelogger> override_dh_auto_install has a trailing \t after install
[11:20] <apachelogger> override_dh_installman seems wrong
[11:21] <apachelogger> if it isn't there should be a comment why it isn't
[11:22] <apachelogger> along the same line, if it isn't then debian/dpic.manpages should be removed
[11:22] <apachelogger> debian/dpic.dirs misses final \n
[11:22] <apachelogger> debian/docs misses final \n
[11:23] <apachelogger> also it lists CHANGES which is manually installed as changelog in debian/rules
[11:24] <apachelogger> dpic.install is empty, should be dropped
[11:24] <apachelogger> should get repack magic: http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/repacking.html
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[11:26] <Riddell> lovely, thanks apachelogger 
[11:28] <apachelogger> hm, current results on discover features: digikam > vlc >= kdeconnect > marlbe >= chromium
[11:28] <apachelogger> so we'd change browser to firefox and then feature another browser because our new browser is still not good enough ^^
[11:31] <shadeslayer> afternoon
[11:32] <apachelogger> yo
[11:33] <apachelogger> ohohohoh
[11:35] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel, ScottK: do you have an opinion on using google forms for manual QA management while we are waiting for upstream webdevs to possibly create some more appropriate solution?
[11:35] <apachelogger> (that's test case management actually)
[11:35] <apachelogger> (for applications)
[11:35] <shadeslayer> I proposed this earlier >.>
[11:35] <shadeslayer> at Munich
[11:35] <apachelogger> yes, we never reached a conclusion though
[11:36] <apachelogger> and we kind of might need something in the short term
[11:36] <yofel> I haven't used google forms much. If you say it's usable for this I'll trust you
[11:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: what are upstream doing?
[11:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: nothing right now
[11:44] <apachelogger> testing is a just as much a mess upstream as it is here
[11:48] <apachelogger> yofel: beats the hell out of the iso tracker anyway
[11:48] <apachelogger> for latter you'd need to write raw html tables and put in merge requests and stuff
[11:49] <apachelogger> major pita really
[11:49] <Riddell> automated QA would be what it takes
[11:49] <apachelogger> automated QA doesn't solve everything
[11:50] <Riddell> investigating how we could use canonical's QA would be lovely, or set up our own a la suse's openQA
[11:50] <Riddell> it solves a lot
[11:50] <apachelogger> but yes, the long term goal very much is to get autopilot like stuff going upstream
[11:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: setting up the QA orchestration is not really the problem, getting the actual testing written
[11:51] <apachelogger> e.g. get people to write GUI tests
[11:52] <apachelogger> which is a stretch considering most people don't even want to write unittests and those are generally easier to code ^^
[11:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: new/missing symbols in kde-workspace? http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html
[11:58] <shadeslayer> I see
[11:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you take care of those? If not, I can look at them towards the end of the day
[12:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: okay dokay
[12:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pitti told me to poke him if otto doesn't work for Kubuntu :P
[12:03] <shadeslayer> however, we could also investigate Red Hat's solution to this
[12:03] <Riddell> otto?
[12:03] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/otto
[12:08] <Riddelll> whee, new konversation
[12:08] <Riddelll> oh oh, I can do cool things in this
[12:09] <Peace-> Riddelll: :D
[12:09] <Peace-> Riddelll: konversation >> quassel
[12:09]  * Riddelll uploads
[12:16] <davmor2> Riddell: no you can't :P
[12:17] <mamarley> Peace-: Blasphemy!
[12:18] <Peace-> mamarley:  konversation supports scripts
[12:18] <mamarley> Quassel supports integrated bouncer-like capability.
[12:19]  * mamarley is a bit biased though because Quassel is the first open-source project to which he ever contributed.
[12:21] <Peace-> mamarley: this is konversation can quassel do that? http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/12/plasma-desktopei8102.png
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:21] <Peace-> BluesKaj: hola
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Hi Peace-
[12:21] <mamarley> Peace-: Do what?
[12:22] <Peace-> mamarley: list of channel on the left
[12:22] <Peace-> mamarley: quick buttons to ban 
[12:22] <Peace-> mamarley: support bash script ?
[12:22] <Peace-> and other languages ?
[12:23] <mamarley> Yep, the channel list is on the left and the nick list on the right.  To ban someone, you can right-click them in the nick list and go to "Actions>Ban"
[12:23] <mamarley> Scripting is on the roadmap, once all state management stuff gets moved core-side.
[12:24] <Peace-> mamarley: ok so konversation is >> quassel
[12:24] <Peace-> and btw i don't like quassel for the bad behavior of channel list 
[12:25] <mamarley> What is the behavior you don't like?  Maybe it can be fixed.
[12:25] <Peace-> mamarley: well when i write long sentences i have seen bad behaviors 
[12:25] <Peace-> mamarley: i could do a video btw
[12:26] <mamarley> You should come to #quassel and let us know the problems you have.
[12:27] <Peace-> well mamarley i should lose my time when there is konversation :) ?
[12:27] <Peace-> anyway i will do a good test in these days 
[12:27] <Peace-> with screenshot and video 
[12:28] <apachelogger> mamarley: the problem is that konversation's UI is like 300% sexier :P
[12:28] <mamarley> Make sure you get the latest version, 0.9.2.  It is available in my PPA.  https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/quassel
[12:28] <mamarley> apachelogger: I have never understood how a UI can be "sexy..."
[12:28] <Peace-> apachelogger: +1
[12:29] <Peace-> hahahaha
[12:31] <mamarley> If you guys can describe in what manner the Konversation UI is better, then perhaps Quassel can be made better.
[12:31] <Peace-> mamarley: i will 
[12:31] <jarkko_> guys
[12:32] <jarkko_> i am running kubuntu, what's my system init?
[12:32] <mamarley> Upstart
[12:32] <jarkko_> upstart or systemd?
[12:32] <jarkko_> why i am having systemd-login as process?
[12:32] <mamarley> There is some systemd code running, but upstart is used for init.
[12:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where can I find all the debian targets?
[12:33] <shadeslayer> by targets I mean the ones for debian/rules
[12:34] <shadeslayer> I need to run : KDE4LIBS_BUILD_DEPENDS := $(shell grep-dctrl -PX kde4libs -s Build-Depends /var/lib/apt/lists/es.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty_main_source_Sources | cut -b 16-) locally
[12:34] <shadeslayer> hm wait
[12:36] <apachelogger> huh
[12:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why? that sounds fishy
[12:36] <Riddell> ah hah
[12:36] <apachelogger> or rather, what are you trying to do?
[12:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I need the build depends of kde4libs
[12:37] <shadeslayer> so that I can add them to the depends of kde-developer-sdk
[12:37] <Riddell> agateau: I found the bestie in your ubiquity non full screen patch, it needs to make /var/log/installer before opening the log file
[12:37]  * Riddell fixes
[12:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: new package in kdelibs?
[12:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: possibly
[12:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: or just get deb-src's enabled on Ubuntu builders since Debian has them
[12:38] <shadeslayer> +enabled
[12:38] <apachelogger> I mean, if you statically extract the deps outside the kdelibs build they potentially get outdated
[12:38] <shadeslayer> and this would lead to better buildd stack alignment
[12:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how does get-srchelp?
[12:38] <apachelogger> *deb-src
[12:38] <agateau> Riddell: oh, right
[12:38] <shadeslayer> true, best solution would be to add it to kde4libs
[12:39] <apachelogger> well, everything else is cheating IMHO
[12:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also I think what you meant to do is apt-rdepends --build-depends  btw ;)
[12:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why did we want the kdelibs builddeps as deps btw
[12:40] <apachelogger> perhaps -dev is good enough
[12:40] <apachelogger> well -dev plus cmake at least
[12:41] <shadeslayer> tbh I'm trying to justify build deps of kde4libs but have no strong reason
[12:41] <shadeslayer> one could just as easily run apt-get build-dep
[12:41] <Riddell> agateau: looks colourful now :)
[12:41] <agateau> Riddell: heh, yes
[12:41] <agateau> hope you like it
[12:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well yeah, if they want to build kdelibs that is... if they want to build something else they won't get much out of the builddeps of kdelibs
[12:44] <Riddell> 11:07 < Riddell> is this dhmk file intended for any kde software or just SC? /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/debian-qt-kde.mk
[12:44] <Riddell> 11:10 < svuorela> packages we control.
[12:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so, I think -dev, cmake, automoc
[12:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: ↑
[12:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: should cover everything
[12:44] <Riddell> bit orwellian that :)
[12:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: what does that even mean ^^
[12:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ack
[12:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: automoc should probably in Recommends right?
[12:45] <shadeslayer> I mean, cmake has it's own automoc IIRC 
[12:46] <Riddell> agateau: is Doxyqml something that ought to be in the ubuntu archive?
[12:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dep on it anyway, it's really small and most stuff expects it
[12:46] <agateau> Riddell: Doxyqml is something which is already in the ubuntu archive :)
[12:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in fact I am not even sure the kde macros will work without the actuall automoc
[12:47] <agateau> Riddell: the Unity QML team uses it ;)
[12:47] <Riddell> nifty
[12:47] <apachelogger> since the way you use automoc is by calling its own supplied macros, and the cmake builtin doesn't have those
[12:52] <Peace-> mamarley: first of all look at this  quassel=>    http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/12/plasma-desktopOZ8102.png              this konversation  instead =>  http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/12/plasma-desktoplD8102.png
[12:53] <Peace-> mamarley: then where i can set away status automatically ? setting for example 10 minutes
[12:53] <mamarley> I think when you click the Ban button, you get more options. Not sure though because I have never tried it.
[12:53] <mamarley> Quassel does automatic away too.  Additionally, you can configure it to make you away when all clients have disconnected from the core.
[12:54] <Peace-> mamarley: can i set like in konversation even the time ?
[12:54] <Peace-> mamarley: like this i mean ..... http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/12/plasma-desktopPx8102.png
[12:55]  * mamarley isn't sure.
[12:56] <Peace-> mamarley: ehhehe i think no here it is on quassel for example i can't see where i can configure away time http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/12/plasma-desktopjZ8102.png
[12:56] <shadeslayer> bah, I messed up the meta-kde changelog
[12:56] <Peace-> mamarley: then ... i have konsole on konversation that is handy to check stuff when i am supporting people 
[12:57] <Peace-> mamarley: like this http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/12/plasma-desktoprr8102.png
[12:58] <sem> Drives:    HDD Total Size: 750.2GB (20.1% used) 1: /dev/sda Hitachi_HTS54757 750.2GB 
[12:58] <sem>            Optical: /dev/sr0 model N/A dev-links cdrom
[12:58] <sem>            Features: speed 24x multisession yes audio yes dvd yes rw cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r,dvd-ram
[12:58] <Peace-> well i guess it's noit the right channel 
[12:58] <Peace-> i shoudl join on #quassel i guess
[13:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you upload screenshots for a package that doesn't exist in Debian?
[13:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no idea
[13:04] <apachelogger> but I guess so, because software-center has a screenshot and its probably not in debian
[13:08] <mitya57> software-center is in Debian (but you still can upload screenshots for Ubuntu-only packages)
[14:19] <shadeslayer> mitya57: how does that work? Do I have to mention it somewhere?
[14:19] <shadeslayer> mitya57: or more importantly can I request a mapping for a existing screenshot to a new package?
[14:20] <mitya57> shadeslayer: can't you just use the submit form?
[14:20] <shadeslayer> mitya57: http://screenshots.debian.net/upload
[14:20] <shadeslayer> ^ nope
[14:20] <shadeslayer> I type kde-developer-sdk and then the name vanishes
[14:21] <shadeslayer> ( that's a ubuntu only package at the moment )
[14:21] <mitya57> Strange, I remember I added http://screenshots.debian.net/package/unity-mail some (long) time ago
[14:22] <mitya57> shadeslayer: try hacking the code to remove autocomplete/autovanish :)
[14:27] <mitya57> shadeslayer: try http://screenshots.ubuntu.com/upload
[14:27] <shadeslayer> anyone know of a web ui to track ubuntu patches?
[14:27] <mitya57> (and ignore my previous comment)
[14:27] <shadeslayer> mitya57: yeah that works :)
[14:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: patches.ubuntu.com?
[14:27] <shadeslayer> oh noes 
[14:27] <shadeslayer> it does not
[14:27] <apachelogger> not sure how well that works nowadays
[14:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nope, that tracks delta between ubuntu and debian
[14:28] <shadeslayer> mitya57: package name disappears
[14:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I guess the webui then is launchpad/bazaar? :P
[14:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I reckon so
[14:28] <shadeslayer> I was hoping for a better one
[14:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: something is broken in my ktp
[14:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh?
[14:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the text ui takes a bazillion light years to load up
[14:29] <apachelogger> there's none, had something on my todo at some point, but not got beyond initial pondering
[14:29] <shadeslayer> it has been suggested that my disk is dying
[14:29] <shadeslayer> like the doctor, it needs replacing
[14:29] <apachelogger> that being said, writing something like patches.ubuntu.com but for all patches ought not be much work I guess
[14:29] <apachelogger> particularly if you simply want it limited to kde stuff since we have most of everything in bzr anyway
[14:29] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[14:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: why are you not dossing around on facebook? how am I supposed to test ktp?
[14:30] <apachelogger> so, query all branches, checkout all branches, extract debian/patches 
[14:30] <mitya57> shadeslayer: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-developer-sdk does not exist, did you mean a different package name?
[14:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: because it's evil? :P
[14:30] <shadeslayer> mitya57: it's a binary package, source is  meta-kde
[14:30] <apachelogger> mitya57: source is meta-kde
[14:30] <shadeslayer> even putting meta-kde doesn't work :)
[14:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: ur not on google talk
[14:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: google talk hasn't worked for me in telepathy for months
[14:31] <apachelogger> or you don't have me circled or however that works
[14:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: works for me
[14:31] <apachelogger> the jabber part of it anyway
[14:31] <mitya57> shadeslayer: Ah, that's because it's using a packages list from Saucy :(
[14:32] <mitya57> According to http://screenshots.ubuntu.com/about
[14:32] <shadeslayer> :O
[14:32] <shadeslayer> mitya57: so how do I make this work then .. hmm
[14:32] <mitya57> Find the maintainer and make him update the URL...
[14:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: upload plz https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/kubuntu-driver-manager_14.04ubuntu2.dsc
[14:33] <Riddell> "Since May 2013, support for the XMPP instant messaging protocol is dropped" says wikipaedia on gtalk
[14:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok if I upload ktp?
[14:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, maybe not jabber, the google talk in telepathy works though :P
[14:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: go ahead
[14:34] <apachelogger> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1MIE1hbjAABbhvXnq-Ys_JLYAbKu1pN_0nlc8wVYVXUg/formResponse
[14:34] <apachelogger> what do you reckon?
[14:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: lovely
[14:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we have a patch in kde-runtime for fixing https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310486
[14:42] <shadeslayer> which goes against policy
[14:43] <shadeslayer> or our to-be policy
[14:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: does not compute
[14:43] <apachelogger> what does it do?
[14:44] <shadeslayer> read the bug report?
[14:44] <shadeslayer> wtf, kde-workspace has a patch that I commited in 2012
[14:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what triggered you to update libqaccessibilityclient last week?
[14:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: from what I gather the patch was transitional
[14:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: IIRC it failed on an archive rebuild
[14:46] <apachelogger> also apparently no one got aaron to actually understand the problem
[14:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and then I noticed it hadn't been updated in a while
[14:47] <shadeslayer> like in over a year
[14:47] <shadeslayer> so I updated it
[14:47] <apachelogger> also, this is approximately the type of issue that the card for upgrade experience is supposed to address by not installing updates directly after download but at reboot/startup/someothertime
[14:48] <apachelogger> it's a runtime issue where $runningversion clashes with $installedverseion in this case because $installed is loaded at runtime and doesn't find a symbol it expects to be there
[14:48] <apachelogger> which whould not be an issue if $installed only changes when $running is not actually running
[14:49] <apachelogger> that's a global issue, plasma theme cache also had a defect there because it simply wasn't able to detect when a new theme is installed at runtime, thus prevent cache cleanup
[14:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any reason why kubuntu_fix_username_icon_alignment.diff wasn't upstreamed?
[14:55] <shadeslayer> in kde-workspace
[14:55] <shadeslayer> huh
[14:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think aaron doesn't like it
[14:56] <shadeslayer> aha https://svn.reviewboard.kde.org/r/870/
[14:57] <Riddell> but seele liked it and she's upstream so it's valid
[14:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: JT simply didn't follow up?
[14:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: possibly, talking to d_ed
[14:59] <apachelogger> the basic premise of the patch would have been preserved with aaron's comments, he just wanted the user icon to be bigger
[15:00] <apachelogger> which frankly might have technical limits anyway since the icon only is 32x32 or something I think
[15:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell d_ed says it can't go in because it's a Behavioural change
[15:01] <shadeslayer> so postpone to Plasma Next
[15:01] <shadeslayer> or NEXT
[15:01] <apachelogger> yes
[15:01] <shadeslayer> or whatever they're calling it now
[15:01] <apachelogger> I could have told you that as well :P
[15:02] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6920356/
[15:03] <Riddell> morning sgclark 
[15:03] <sgclark> good morning
[15:03] <Riddell> sgclark: no it's not important, that's the version of debian policy the packager says the package complies to
[15:03] <Riddell> sgclark: if the package comes from debian just leave it
[15:03] <Riddell> if it comes from ubuntu just update it
[15:04] <sgclark> comes from kde
[15:04] <sgclark> not sure : /
[15:05] <sgclark> Riddell: Merge with debian is in changelog so from debian?
[15:05] <Riddell> sgclark: yep
[15:05] <sgclark> k, leaving alone
[15:06] <apachelogger> argh, whenver I go online in ktp people start spamming me
[15:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the comments to your touchpad post
[15:08] <apachelogger> xD
[15:08] <apachelogger> oh right
[15:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's because you're so popular
[15:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, it's a real drag :S
[15:09] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer, ScottK, yofel: sooooooo, we could migrate most of our wiki stuff to kde's techbase if we want to
[15:10] <shadeslayer> yay
[15:10] <yofel> sooo... why should we?
[15:10] <apachelogger> cause moinmoin is le crap
[15:10] <apachelogger> plus upstream is cool
[15:10] <apachelogger> and most of our present wiki is many degrees of useless
[15:10] <yofel> moinmoin works for me as long as you don't need to export it
[15:12] <apachelogger> yofel: been using it excessively last week, it gets in the way of progress more than it helps it
[15:12] <apachelogger> ah s/techbase/community actually
[15:12] <apachelogger> so perhaps we should first clean out all the plunder we have on the wiki right now
[15:13] <apachelogger> and then toss a coin on whether to continue using it
[15:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/pbqf3puhq
[15:15] <shadeslayer> thoughts on upstreaming?
[15:16] <Riddell> only relevant if someone uses ibus
[15:17] <shadeslayer> So, tag as vendor specific patch?
[15:18] <Riddell> yeah
[15:18] <apachelogger> well
[15:18] <apachelogger> that looks like a bloody workaround
[15:19] <Riddell> really ibus should be fixed
[15:19] <apachelogger> qtibus or whatever tries to access the dir should make the dir
[15:19] <apachelogger> or not try to access it if it wasn't created or something
[15:19] <apachelogger> that patch just prevents the symptom, the issue of unvalidated path access inside ibus/qt still remains
[15:20] <sgclark> Riddell: gtk2 one ready
[15:21] <Riddell> sgclark: awooga
[15:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: why do we have kubuntu_kde-workspace-kwin-touch-mouseevents-translation.diff
[15:22] <Riddell> changelog says   * Don't apply kubuntu_kde-workspace-kwin-touch-mouseevents-translation.diff workaround for libxi clashing with libxfixes (plus kwin author not entirely happy with the patch)
[15:22] <Riddell> hmm but it does get applies not
[15:23] <Riddell> kde-workspace (4:4.9.98a-0ubuntu2) raring; urgency=low
[15:23] <Riddell>   * Add kde-workspace-kwin-touch-mouseevents-translation.diff from upstream
[15:23] <Riddell>  -- Rohan Garg <rohangarg@kubuntu.org>  Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:03:05 +0000
[15:23] <Riddell> that rohan chap to blame
[15:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what changelog is that from 0.o
[15:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kde-workspace
[15:24] <apachelogger> afk
[15:24] <shadeslayer> yeah, I don't have that on my machine
[15:25] <Riddell> I'm looking at 4.11.6
[15:25] <shadeslayer> aha, found it
[15:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: right, nvm
[15:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mind looking at kde-workspace 4.11.6 in kubuntu-ppa/staging
[15:25] <shadeslayer> and maybe copying over 4.12 to backports
[15:27] <shadeslayer> aha
[15:27] <mgraesslin> I think that patch was for plasma-active
[15:27] <shadeslayer> yep
[15:27] <mgraesslin> but I'm not entirely sure
[15:27] <shadeslayer> it is http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/active/3.0/src/patches/kde-workspace-kwin-touch-mouseevents-translation.diff
[15:27] <mgraesslin> notmart added it
[15:28] <mgraesslin> and it's obviously only applied downstream
[15:28] <mgraesslin> I don't know whether it was a meego/mer specific thing
[15:28] <mgraesslin> and I don't know whether it was required on other distros at all
[15:29] <mgraesslin> (and the code in question is dead in master anyway :-P )
[15:29] <shadeslayer> seeing how we have 0.4 in the archives I'm inclined to drop it
[15:30] <Riddell> kill it
[15:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: done
[15:34] <shadeslayer> fpt
[15:34] <shadeslayer> I'm only halfway done through kde-workspace patches
[15:34] <shadeslayer> and it's already 4:35
[15:35]  * shadeslayer stops
[15:35] <shadeslayer> kde-workspace is now partly dep 3 \o/
[15:36] <shadeslayer> and we got rid of 2 patches
[15:36] <Riddell> dep 3?
[15:36] <shadeslayer> http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[15:36] <Riddell> what was the other patch?
[15:37] <shadeslayer> upstream_Use-cascaded-configs-for-other-modules-as-well.patch
[15:37] <shadeslayer> was not in series
[15:38] <Riddell> "From: Rohan Garg <rohangarg@kubuntu.org>
[15:38] <Riddell>   that rohan chap again
[15:39] <shadeslayer> yeah, I upstreamed it, but patch was never removed 
[15:39] <Riddell> sgclark: gtk2-engines-oxygen uploaded!
[15:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you forgot to remove debian/patches/kubuntu_kde-runtime-4.9.98-kde#310486.patch
[15:40] <shadeslayer> in kde-runtime
[15:41] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[15:42] <shadeslayer> kubuntu_kde-runtime-4.9.98-kde#310486.patch can be dropped as well \o/
[15:42] <shadeslayer> ( ignore my earlier comment )
[15:42] <Riddell> yay
[15:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: plz dep 3 kubuntu_drkonqi_whoopsie_integration.patch
[15:46] <apachelogger> write me a card
[15:49] <Riddell> cyphermox_: what's the plans for modemmanager 1.2.0?
[15:50] <cyphermox_> we'll upload it to debian experimental soon
[15:50] <Riddell> cyphermox_: do I need to check it with anything?
[15:50] <cyphermox_> well, it's probably not much different than for MM -- making sure that plasma-nm / libmm-qt is fine with it
[15:51] <cyphermox_> afaik in Debian they're not updated
[15:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/poz2trsps < where did you get that?
[15:57] <yofel> shadeslayer: that's from me o.O?
[15:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: bzr blame says so
[15:57] <apachelogger> that's why all patches need dep3 ^^
[15:57] <yofel> let me check
[15:57] <apachelogger> our weak minds :)
[15:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6920632/
[15:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: *nod* :P
[15:59] <Riddell> sgclark: going to work on gtk3-engines-oxygen ?
[15:59] <sgclark> trying now, having issues with uscan
[16:00] <sgclark> Riddell: ^^
[16:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: possibly it was called kubuntu_25_dolphin_keys.diff earlier 
[16:00] <shadeslayer> and I don't have logs for that
[16:00] <yofel> no, that's different
[16:00] <yofel> just checked the diff
[16:00] <shadeslayer> okay
[16:01] <Riddell> sgclark: maybe the watch file isn't working, just download it manually
[16:01] <sgclark> ok
[16:01] <sgclark> it worked but got a 404 and now it says no matching, will just do it manually
[16:01] <yofel> shadeslayer: ask Riddell wrt r207, I just committed the file to bzr because it was missing
[16:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[16:02]  * apachelogger tells shadeslayer about qbzr for easy history tracking
[16:02] <yofel> +  * Add kubuntu_26_folderwidget_drawing.diff from upstream, fix
[16:02] <yofel> +    rendering of box on folderwidget
[16:03] <yofel> you could've checked the changelog ^^
[16:03] <apachelogger> ^ would have been super easy with qbzr :P
[16:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where's this?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kde-baseapps
[16:04] <Riddell> hmm, might have been an agateau patch?
[16:08] <agateau> Riddell: which one?
[16:08] <agateau> I don't think I ever worked on folderwidget
[16:08] <shadeslayer> agateau: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6920632/
[16:09] <agateau> shadeslayer: I don't think this is from me
[16:09] <shadeslayer> acj
[16:09] <shadeslayer> *ack
[16:10]  * shadeslayer will contact upstream author
[16:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how does one follow the history using qbzr?
[16:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bzr qlog file
[16:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah ... no good kubuntu_folderwidget_drawing.diff
[16:18] <shadeslayer> er
[16:18] <shadeslayer> http://im9.eu/picture/g15690
[16:19] <apachelogger> well, it's not gonna read for you, is it :P
[16:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/p7dzzar3u < do you know if that can be upstreamed
[16:26] <apachelogger> I shall say no
[16:26] <apachelogger> but I have no clue why
[16:27] <apachelogger> oh, yes that probably can be upstreamed
[16:27] <apachelogger> I think you want to talk to sandsmark
[16:28] <apachelogger> seems the patchy will scan for plugins and if it found them it will autoadd them to the list of plugins,otherwise the user would have to go to the plugin dialog and trigger a scan manually before the plugins become available
[16:28] <apachelogger> BUT
[16:28] <shadeslayer> patch review done then
[16:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: should be dropped
[16:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: okay
[16:28] <apachelogger> since we don't use konqueror anymore there is no point in us maintaining this patch
[16:28] <apachelogger> throw it at sandsmark though
[16:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: see #kde-devel
[16:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: reason for removal?
[16:29] <apachelogger> not useful to us
[16:29] <apachelogger> should be done upstream
[16:31] <sgclark> Riddell: gtk3 ready
[16:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger:  can you do a l10n review of lightdm-kde
[16:37] <apachelogger> not today, about to head out
[16:37] <shadeslayer> or tell me what I should check for
[16:37] <apachelogger> its the many commands
[16:37] <apachelogger> dh_kubuntu_l10n_generate with some bunch of envrionment variables
[16:38] <apachelogger> and then you compare then you msgmerge the generated pot with for example the german translation
[16:38] <apachelogger> and then you run msgfmt --statistics on the merged file and the original german translation
[16:38] <apachelogger> and if the statistics are the same then localization is groovy
[16:38] <apachelogger> if not, then the wrong localization was exported for example
[16:38] <shadeslayer> fooey, I didn't get any of that
[16:39] <shadeslayer> so I'm going to upload lightdm-kde to my ppa
[16:39] <apachelogger> I know, right ^^
[16:39] <shadeslayer> and you can review it tomorrow
[16:39] <apachelogger> ultimtely tarme should eventually be able to do this very basic sanity check
[16:39] <apachelogger> it's rather non trivial to automize tho
[16:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: plz be creating card
[16:40] <shadeslayer> ack
[16:52] <Riddell> interesting, suse @ opensuse team dropping releases
[16:57] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6920906/
[16:59] <Riddell> sgclark: ah, then you have to work out if the patch is still needed (by looking at the patch and the file it's patching)
[16:59] <Riddell> if it is still needed force apply it with  quilt push -f
[16:59] <sgclark> ok ty
[16:59] <Riddell> then edit the file to add the change (I do   emacs foo.c foo.c.rej   so I have the missing patch and the file open to compare)
[16:59] <Riddell> then  quilt refresh
[17:04] <sgclark> Riddell: it looks like the patch was applied upstream
[17:05] <sgclark> Riddell: different line number, so remove patch?
[17:06] <Riddell> sgclark: yep
[17:06] <Riddell> ensure quilt has it unapplied and remove from series file
[17:06] <sgclark> ok
[17:10] <Riddell> sgclark: best to format this changelog like top rather than like bottom of http://paste.kde.org/panrzdfmz, else it looks like you made those changes while packaging
[17:11] <sgclark> Riddell: ok will do
[17:15] <Riddell> sgclark: oxygen-gtk3 uploaded!
[17:16] <Riddell> should appear here shortly https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oxygen-gtk3
[17:16] <Riddell> it'll build in -proposed and if it builds everywhere it has built before it'll move to -release
[17:20] <sgclark> Riddell: ok so 2 patches no longer needed, do I rename the one left to 0001? or leave as is
[17:24] <Riddell> sgclark: just leave as is
[17:24] <Riddell> sgclark: dpic uploaded!
[17:24] <Riddell> that'll get stuck in New until an archive admin approves it
[17:24] <sgclark> ok
[17:26] <Riddell> sgclark: cirkuit approved!
[17:26] <sgclark> nice
[17:26] <Riddell> which will also get stuck in New to get checked over for licence and other sanity
[17:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can I move files between bzr repos without losing history?
[17:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: maybe but I don't think I know of any way
[17:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plz test out language-pack-kde-common and kde-l10-common
[17:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: build-l10n.sh now  only builds kde-l10n packs
[17:38] <shadeslayer> meta language packs are built separately via build-langpack.sh in language-pack-kde-common
[17:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: around?
[17:41] <allee> Riddell: FWIW: noticed that you wrote lib{n,m}-qt 1.0 are blocked waiting for  modemmanager 0.8, but 1.0 is already in trusty
[17:41] <allee> Should I add a note to the 'bug reports'
[17:42] <Riddell> allee: where's htat?
[17:43] <allee> Riddel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmm-qt/+bug/1257315
[17:43] <allee> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnm-qt/+bug/1257316
[17:44] <Riddell> allee: hmm, yes, please do
[17:44] <allee> k
[17:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: seems sensible, have you updated the ninjas wiki page?
[17:45] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6921167/
[17:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: wiki broken
[17:47] <Riddell> sgclark: yep, reversion to 0.6.0~rc3
[17:48] <Riddell> ~ is a special characted in debian package versions which means "less than this version"
[17:48] <Riddell> and symbols-file-contains-current-version-with-debian-revision just says you have to update the .symbols file
[17:48] <sgclark> Riddell: but debuild complains no orig but is is there
[17:48] <Riddell> is it C or C++?
[17:48] <sgclark> C
[17:48] <Riddell> so you can just use patch on the buildlog to update the symbols file
[17:49] <Riddell> if debuild complains no orig then thehre's something wrong in the name of the .orig
[17:49] <Riddell> the .orig should also have the ~rc version no
[17:49] <sgclark> is there a tutorial on the sysmbols thing anywhere?
[17:50] <sgclark> libssh-0.6.0~rc3.orig.tar.gz is the name
[17:50] <sgclark> nm underscore is the issue
[17:50] <Riddell> symbols is spooky magic
[17:50] <Riddell> you need to be a compiler programmer to understand it
[17:51] <Riddell> https://wiki.debian.org/UsingSymbolsFiles  may help
[17:51] <sgclark> ty
[17:54] <allee> sgclark: FWIW: just saw that libssh 0.6.1 was released two days ago
[17:55]  * Riddell wanders home
[17:56] <allee> sgclark: ... and thumbs up for you great packaging marathon!!!
[17:57] <sgclark> I used uscan and this is what it pulled down, am I doing it wrong? and thanks :)
[17:58] <sgclark> still alot to learn, but making progress 
[18:10] <allee> sgclark: latest libssh is tar.xz (before it was tar.gz). So uscan config needs to be adapted (maybe look for both? Dunno if that's possible)
[18:10] <sgclark> allee: ok will take a look
[18:11] <sgclark> allee: finished this one though, worth putting up?
[18:15] <allee> sgclark: I assume/guess when ~rc3 is packaged. Almost no change is necessary for 0.61.   So if there no freeze pending I woudl first give 0.6.1 a try
[18:16] <allee> sgclark: but you're more th expert than I am
[18:16] <sgclark> allee: I am no expert! brand new to this :)
[18:17] <sgclark> I suspect I can apply my work to 6.1 I hope
[18:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: anything that we can add to https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-foreign-language
[18:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: for https://trello.com/c/im8bbEc4
[19:31] <sgclark> Anyone come across something like this before? libssh-4: symbols-declares-dependency-on-other-package libssh #MINVER#
[19:39] <sgclark> Riddell: libssl ready see README.
[19:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any news on https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/intltool/add-qtdesigner-support/+merge/145112
[19:49] <tester56> stupid question, how do I get a alternate cd of trusty
[19:49] <shadeslayer> you can't at the moment afaik
[19:49] <BluesKaj> tester56, there aren't any
[19:49] <tester56> is there a special reason for that 
[19:50] <shadeslayer> !alternate
[19:50] <shadeslayer> that's why ^ :)
[19:50] <tester56> so everything possible in alternate is now possible in the normal installer
[19:51] <tester56> sry, i do not have access to the questionmark atm
[19:51] <BluesKaj> !minimal
[19:52] <BluesKaj> dunno if trusty has one tho
[19:52] <tester56> BluesKaj, I want to set up full disk encryption with btrfs ...
[19:53] <tester56> I have the option to do fulldisk encryption, but I guess it would use ext4
[19:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what's up with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1241604
[19:53] <BluesKaj> tester56, not my area of knowledge
[19:53] <shadeslayer> tester56: I think so, yes
[19:54] <tester56> shadeslayer, so basically I have no chance to setup encrypted btrfs with graphical installer
[19:56] <shadeslayer> tester56: afaik
[19:56] <shadeslayer> xnox: ^^
[19:56] <tester56> lubuntu still has a alternate cd http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily/current/
[19:58] <tester56> BluesKaj, it is not about the packages, but about the additional things you were able to do with the alternate cd
[20:04] <BluesKaj> tester56, yes, unfortunately discontinued...I used the alternate to install kubuntu sucessfully when the full version live cd would fail to.
[20:18] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: are you on?
[20:18] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: yes
[20:19] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: with test.kubuntu.org do I reset my pass if I forgot or do you have it around somewhere?
[20:23] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I can reset it for you
[20:23] <ahoneybun> ok cool
[20:24] <ovidiu-florin> since we don't have a mail server connected to it, you can't reset the password yourself
[20:28] <ahoneybun> oh
[20:44] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: do you want me to reset your password?
[20:44] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: yea the username is my name or what?
[20:47] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: last check, are you sure you want me to change your password?
[20:48] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: why all the checking?
[20:48] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: you can never be to sure :D
[20:48] <ahoneybun> well I don't remember it as it was random numbers and letters
[20:48] <ovidiu-florin> once logged in you can change it
[20:50] <ahoneybun> I'm in 
[20:50] <ovidiu-florin> great
[20:50] <ahoneybun> thanks
[20:50] <ovidiu-florin> you're wellcome
[20:50] <ahoneybun> do we still think this theme will work for us?
[20:51] <ovidiu-florin> I like it
[20:51] <ahoneybun> nice
[20:53] <ahoneybun> still want to fix that logo
[21:00] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: I think the whole bottom bar with the about us and contact us is not needed
[21:01] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I agree, we should fill that up with something else
[21:01] <ovidiu-florin> how about a small feed of recent articles?
[21:01] <ovidiu-florin> or recent news
[21:01] <ahoneybun> yea that would be useful
[21:04] <ahoneybun> check it out now
[21:06] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: you moved the meta?
[21:06] <ahoneybun> yea
[21:07] <ovidiu-florin> I yould have placed the meta in the footer and the archives in the sidebar
[21:07] <ovidiu-florin> the archives is more important for the visitors
[21:07] <ovidiu-florin> thatn the meta
[21:07] <ovidiu-florin> I think...
[21:07] <ahoneybun> switched
[21:08] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: do you agree?
[21:08] <ahoneybun> yea that is important
[21:08] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: check out the romanian version
[21:08] <ovidiu-florin> I've customised the menus
[21:08] <ovidiu-florin> :D
[21:08] <ovidiu-florin> the navigation
[21:09] <ahoneybun> oh?
[21:09] <ovidiu-florin> the main navigation menu must be a specific one for each language aparently
[21:09] <ahoneybun> oh
[21:10] <ovidiu-florin> it can point to the translations of the same pages
[21:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bug 1082484 should have been moved upstream FWIW
[21:10] <ovidiu-florin> but as long as those don't exist, it will default to the english menu
[21:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nice work on the runtime stuff ^^
[21:11] <ahoneybun> oh
[21:11] <apachelogger> yofel: oh right, wiki.kubuntu.org can't be used right now as login fails ;)
[21:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you actually file a ticket about that?
[21:11] <yofel> wasn't it not that it's failing but that you need like 3 dozen login attempts until it works?
[21:12] <yofel> but it's always done that...
[21:12] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: if a user is in a non english language session, and they try to open an article that wasn't translated, they will be directed to the english version of the article, and the session be changed to an english session.
[21:12] <ahoneybun> oh
[21:12] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: the problem is when they see the news feed, for example. If an article wasn't translated, they won't see it in the news feed.
[21:13] <jarkko> i have modem manager and network manager on system processes, are they both needed?
[21:13] <ahoneybun> thats not good
[21:13] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I agree
[21:13] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I've sent a message to the developer with an ideea to resolve this faster
[21:13] <ovidiu-florin> but haven't received a responce yet
[21:13] <ahoneybun> o
[21:13] <ahoneybun> nice
[21:13] <ovidiu-florin> I'll probably make a patch for it
[21:13] <ovidiu-florin> and make a new default:
[21:14] <apachelogger> yofel: nope, it ends in python exception now
[21:15] <apachelogger> only way to login right now is wiki.ubuntu
[21:15] <yofel> ok, that is new
[21:15] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: when an article is created (in any language) to automagically duplicate that article in all enabled languages and prepend a text that would say something like: "This article hasn't been translated yet."
[21:15] <yofel> apachelogger: I might not be as opposed to your suggestion anymore ^^
[21:15] <apachelogger> hehe
[21:15] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: "Please contact the $LANG maintainer for a translation or provide one to help us get it up faster"
[21:16] <ahoneybun> oh
[21:16] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I'll probably have some time for this next week, can you please remind me of this?
[21:17] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: tbh I kinda understand the problem but I can remind you
[21:17] <ovidiu-florin> tbh? 
[21:17] <ahoneybun> to be honest
[21:17] <ovidiu-florin> to be honest
[21:17] <ovidiu-florin> ok, thank you
[21:18] <ahoneybun> I think I will just keep a log of this chat then
[21:18] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I would like for the patch to be in the oficial software, at least as an option. So I'll have to talk with the polylang maintainer
[21:19] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: if you wish. Just ping me, and I'll remember.
[21:19] <ovidiu-florin> my schedule is crazy this period.
[21:19]  * ahoneybun has made a log of this chat
[21:19] <ovidiu-florin> Exams, disertation, wedding, work...
[21:19] <ovidiu-florin> crazy I tell you
[21:19] <ahoneybun> yea sounds that way
[21:20] <ovidiu-florin> it's 23:20 right now and I'm still at work
[21:21] <mikhas> you're doing it wrong
[21:21] <ovidiu-florin> + my sleep pattern is a mess, This needs imediate attention.
[21:21] <mikhas> log off the internets
[21:21]  * genii makes more coffee instead
[21:21]  * ovidiu-florin doesn't drink coffe
[21:21] <mikhas> well take cocaine then
[21:22] <ovidiu-florin> Coca Cola Cherry
[21:22] <genii> Heh
[21:22] <ovidiu-florin> any devs in here?
[21:23] <ovidiu-florin> Any ideea why would someone use void as argument in a c++ class constructor?
[21:23] <ovidiu-florin> MyClass(void) {}
[21:24]  * ahoneybun does not understand the darn header in wordpress
[21:24] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: change your password, if you haven't already. :d
[21:24] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: which one?
[21:24] <ahoneybun> the kubuntu logo
[21:26] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: let me take a look
[21:26] <ahoneybun> ok
[21:29] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: what do you want to achieve?
[21:39] <ahoneybun> have it look right
[21:39] <ahoneybun> even with the nav
[21:42] <ahoneybun> like the sample one http://antthemes.com/?page_id=1963
[21:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: runtime stuff?
[21:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.tag=kubuntu&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.upstream_target=&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.
[21:52] <shadeslayer> used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search < at the very least these bugs are present in Kubuntu 14.04
[21:52] <shadeslayer> in muon
[21:52] <shadeslayer> whee
[22:08] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: you want to put it on the side of the nav bar?
[22:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: all upstream
[22:10] <apachelogger> aaaaaaaaaallllll upstream
[22:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, aleix is on a holiday :)
[22:18] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: yes like in the demo
[22:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, I mean they all need to go upstream
[22:19] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Bugs/Responses#Upstream_Bugs_Importance
[22:19] <shadeslayer> yeah got it
[22:21] <apachelogger> well
[22:21] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1155916 this one might be kubuntu-ppa
[22:21] <apachelogger> report is utterly useless
[22:21] <shadeslayer> you mean like the other bazillion bug reports on Launchpad?
[22:22] <apachelogger> yes
[22:22] <apachelogger> those reports are the most puzzling though
[22:22] <apachelogger> the user went to the trouble to look up the bug tracker, only to then use the wrong one
[22:22] <apachelogger> had the user simply used the builtin report feature it would have ended up on bugs.kde.org...
[22:31] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun got it. I'll take a look tomorrow.
[22:32] <ahoneybun> ok cool
[22:32] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/1267028 I believe I should mark this as "fix committed" now don't you think?
[22:53] <ScottK> apachelogger: I still have a problem with the Muon updater where if I deselect some packages in order to not upgrade everything it gets grumpy and declines to proceed without adding them back.  Have you seen similar?
[23:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: nothing reported anyway, but I am on to a bigger dep resolution bug inside updater, it might be related
[23:12] <apachelogger> actually I'll try to add some strategic kdebug's for muon 2.2 (trusty)
[23:12] <apachelogger> should make a lot of those issues easier to debug
[23:15] <apachelogger> on second thought
[23:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: I could give you a patch with massive debug if you tell me what grumpy looks like exactly ^^
[23:16] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: actually it is sort of fix released since there are translations, alas not very complete ones
[23:18] <apachelogger> fun
[23:18] <apachelogger> with LANGUAGES=en:pt:fr:en quassel speaks pt 
[23:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you poke sandsmark about the konqueror patch
[23:20] <shadeslayer> yeah, see #kde-devel
[23:22] <apachelogger> fun story: if you want to create a category in moinmoin you actually need to create a category page and add a macro or it won't list stuff
[23:24] <apachelogger> mail about wiki stuff soon to arrive on list
[23:24]  * apachelogger suffers from itchy beard today
[23:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: " brian dum list of cons:"
[23:27] <shadeslayer> whos brian
[23:28] <apachelogger> sec
[23:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are you growing a beard too >.>
[23:29] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16xjeBAA
[23:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just to annoy someone fortunately enough
[23:29] <apachelogger> might have to get rid of it though, I look like brian
[23:32] <shadeslayer> heh
[23:38] <apachelogger> fun story: our wiki will stop responding randomly when saving page edits sometimes
[23:39] <apachelogger> also  Reason: Error reading from remote server
[23:40] <apachelogger> you know
[23:40] <apachelogger> we should do a developer Q&A
[23:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: lightdm tarball is bogus
[23:59] <apachelogger> here's commands btw
[23:59] <apachelogger> mv po po.orig
[23:59] <apachelogger> KUBUNTU_L10N_NO_DESKTOP=1 KUBUNTU_L10N_FORCE_RUN=1 dh_kubuntu_l10n_generate
[23:59] <apachelogger> for pot in *.pot ; do po=${f:0:-1}; msgmerge ../po.orig/de/$po $pot > $po; msgfmt --statistics $po; msgfmt --statistics ../po.orig/de/$po; echo "-----"; done
[23:59] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6922964/
[23:59] <apachelogger> should all be equal