[00:13] I find the file, and did some minor editing of the notes [00:14] "In order to export your bookmarks" -- from where? [00:14] Bookmark editor opens up in Documents, which is not much help === rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter [01:02] ....and dinner time === Darkwing_ is now known as Darkwing [01:45] been a while [02:44] hey Darkwing [02:45] {{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}} [02:45] how are ya? [02:47] omg Darkwing [08:26] ahoneybun, shadeslayer: the point is that people who previously used rekonq (yes, all three of them) will not have their data imported to firefox, so a guide on how to do it manually is in order [08:34] shadeslayer: I turned off bug reports for the driver-manager project [08:34] bugs ought to go to the package [08:58] ::runtime-bugs:: [1247802] language KCM sets incorrect LANGUAGE @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1247802 (by Gabor Vas) [09:15] shadeslayer: have you filed a binary&source removal bug? [09:15] for synatpiks [09:58] feed runtime-bugs had 8 updates, showing the latest 3 [09:58] ::runtime-bugs:: [1176023] Clock applet problem, unable to connect to ntp servers @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1176023 (by Hveem) [09:58] ::runtime-bugs:: [1204182] setlocale.sh can break user-chosen locales and encodings @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1204182 (by Graeme Hewson) [09:58] ::runtime-bugs:: [1243620] Languages not displayed correctly in "language control module": German and English are emp... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1243620 (by Daniel Hahler) [10:04] shadeslayer: also I am wondering whether we shouldn't have a transitional package to makes sure people get kde-touchpad [10:15] Good morning. [11:01] * Riddell nudges apachelogger, shadeslayer, yofel, anyone useful into reviewing cirkuit in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages [11:03] * apachelogger lookz [11:03] and dpic [11:04] the debian/watch file I'm unsure about [11:05] Riddell: cirkuit, if I am not mistaken this should only be used for actual SC software: include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/debian-qt-kde.mk [11:05] totally nto sure, though, yofel will know ^^ [11:06] dhmk should be good for any kde software I'd have thought [11:06] I do now know, there's also the dhonly module [11:06] --with kde [11:07] * Riddell asks debian [11:07] right, if you want plain dh, the purpose of dhmk is to have a dh where make works as expected [11:08] with plain dh you often end up hand edited debhelper.log files to do a partial rebuild [11:08] you do Oo [11:08] Riddell: there are bogus spaces between package stanzas [11:09] debian/copyright exceeds 80 chars/line on: [11:09] Copyright: © 2011 Matteo Agostinelli

[11:09] totally bogus dude! [11:09] alas, that looks silly anyway ^^ [11:11] Riddell: usr/lib/kde4/* in the lib's install defeats the purpose of soversioning the package name [11:12] how so? [11:13] the point of soversioning is so that you can have libcirkuit1 and libcuirkuit2 installed at the same time, which is impossible because they are conflicting [11:16] Riddell: no matching hrefs for watch line [11:16] http://wwwu.uni-klu.ac.at/magostin/cirkuit.html src/cirkuit-([\d\.]+)\.tar\.bz2 [11:16] watch file seems incorrect [11:16] fixes welcome :) [11:17] it looks good to me, I can't work out what it wants [11:17] *shrug* [11:17] haven't written a watch file in 3000 years [11:17] meh [11:18] IMO one should watch git tags, but oh well [11:18] Riddell: dpic changelog might want to mention what was dfsg stripped [11:19] should be in README.source [11:19] yes, I am saying it shoudl also be in the changelog [11:20] like you also put the remaining delta in the changelog when merging with debina [11:20] override_dh_auto_install has a trailing \t after install [11:20] override_dh_installman seems wrong [11:21] if it isn't there should be a comment why it isn't [11:22] along the same line, if it isn't then debian/dpic.manpages should be removed [11:22] debian/dpic.dirs misses final \n [11:22] debian/docs misses final \n [11:23] also it lists CHANGES which is manually installed as changelog in debian/rules [11:24] dpic.install is empty, should be dropped [11:24] should get repack magic: http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/repacking.html [11:26] [11:26] lovely, thanks apachelogger [11:28] hm, current results on discover features: digikam > vlc >= kdeconnect > marlbe >= chromium [11:28] so we'd change browser to firefox and then feature another browser because our new browser is still not good enough ^^ [11:31] afternoon [11:32] yo [11:33] ohohohoh [11:35] Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel, ScottK: do you have an opinion on using google forms for manual QA management while we are waiting for upstream webdevs to possibly create some more appropriate solution? [11:35] (that's test case management actually) [11:35] (for applications) [11:35] I proposed this earlier >.> [11:35] at Munich [11:35] yes, we never reached a conclusion though [11:36] and we kind of might need something in the short term [11:36] I haven't used google forms much. If you say it's usable for this I'll trust you [11:41] apachelogger: what are upstream doing? [11:44] Riddell: nothing right now [11:44] testing is a just as much a mess upstream as it is here [11:48] yofel: beats the hell out of the iso tracker anyway [11:48] for latter you'd need to write raw html tables and put in merge requests and stuff [11:49] major pita really [11:49] automated QA would be what it takes [11:49] automated QA doesn't solve everything [11:50] investigating how we could use canonical's QA would be lovely, or set up our own a la suse's openQA [11:50] it solves a lot [11:50] but yes, the long term goal very much is to get autopilot like stuff going upstream [11:51] Riddell: setting up the QA orchestration is not really the problem, getting the actual testing written [11:51] e.g. get people to write GUI tests [11:52] which is a stretch considering most people don't even want to write unittests and those are generally easier to code ^^ [11:55] shadeslayer: new/missing symbols in kde-workspace? http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html [11:58] I see [11:59] Riddell: can you take care of those? If not, I can look at them towards the end of the day [12:02] shadeslayer: okay dokay [12:02] apachelogger: pitti told me to poke him if otto doesn't work for Kubuntu :P [12:03] however, we could also investigate Red Hat's solution to this [12:03] otto? [12:03] https://launchpad.net/otto [12:08] whee, new konversation [12:08] oh oh, I can do cool things in this [12:09] Riddelll: :D [12:09] Riddelll: konversation >> quassel [12:09] * Riddelll uploads [12:16] Riddell: no you can't :P [12:17] Peace-: Blasphemy! [12:18] mamarley: konversation supports scripts [12:18] Quassel supports integrated bouncer-like capability. [12:19] * mamarley is a bit biased though because Quassel is the first open-source project to which he ever contributed. [12:21] mamarley: this is konversation can quassel do that? http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/12/plasma-desktopei8102.png [12:21] Hey folks [12:21] BluesKaj: hola [12:21] Hi Peace- [12:21] Peace-: Do what? [12:22] mamarley: list of channel on the left [12:22] mamarley: quick buttons to ban [12:22] mamarley: support bash script ? [12:22] and other languages ? [12:23] Yep, the channel list is on the left and the nick list on the right. To ban someone, you can right-click them in the nick list and go to "Actions>Ban" [12:23] Scripting is on the roadmap, once all state management stuff gets moved core-side. [12:24] mamarley: ok so konversation is >> quassel [12:24] and btw i don't like quassel for the bad behavior of channel list [12:25] What is the behavior you don't like? Maybe it can be fixed. [12:25] mamarley: well when i write long sentences i have seen bad behaviors [12:25] mamarley: i could do a video btw [12:26] You should come to #quassel and let us know the problems you have. [12:27] well mamarley i should lose my time when there is konversation :) ? [12:27] anyway i will do a good test in these days [12:27] with screenshot and video [12:28] mamarley: the problem is that konversation's UI is like 300% sexier :P [12:28] Make sure you get the latest version, 0.9.2. It is available in my PPA. https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/quassel [12:28] apachelogger: I have never understood how a UI can be "sexy..." [12:28] apachelogger: +1 [12:29] hahahaha [12:31] If you guys can describe in what manner the Konversation UI is better, then perhaps Quassel can be made better. [12:31] mamarley: i will [12:31] guys [12:32] i am running kubuntu, what's my system init? [12:32] Upstart [12:32] upstart or systemd? [12:32] why i am having systemd-login as process? [12:32] There is some systemd code running, but upstart is used for init. [12:32] apachelogger: where can I find all the debian targets? [12:33] by targets I mean the ones for debian/rules [12:34] I need to run : KDE4LIBS_BUILD_DEPENDS := $(shell grep-dctrl -PX kde4libs -s Build-Depends /var/lib/apt/lists/es.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty_main_source_Sources | cut -b 16-) locally [12:34] hm wait [12:36] huh [12:36] shadeslayer: why? that sounds fishy [12:36] ah hah [12:36] or rather, what are you trying to do? [12:37] apachelogger: I need the build depends of kde4libs [12:37] so that I can add them to the depends of kde-developer-sdk [12:37] agateau: I found the bestie in your ubiquity non full screen patch, it needs to make /var/log/installer before opening the log file [12:37] * Riddell fixes [12:37] shadeslayer: new package in kdelibs? [12:37] apachelogger: possibly [12:38] apachelogger: or just get deb-src's enabled on Ubuntu builders since Debian has them [12:38] +enabled [12:38] I mean, if you statically extract the deps outside the kdelibs build they potentially get outdated [12:38] and this would lead to better buildd stack alignment [12:38] shadeslayer: how does get-srchelp? [12:38] *deb-src [12:38] Riddell: oh, right [12:38] true, best solution would be to add it to kde4libs [12:39] well, everything else is cheating IMHO [12:40] shadeslayer: also I think what you meant to do is apt-rdepends --build-depends btw ;) [12:40] shadeslayer: why did we want the kdelibs builddeps as deps btw [12:40] perhaps -dev is good enough [12:40] well -dev plus cmake at least [12:41] tbh I'm trying to justify build deps of kde4libs but have no strong reason [12:41] one could just as easily run apt-get build-dep [12:41] agateau: looks colourful now :) [12:41] Riddell: heh, yes [12:41] hope you like it [12:43] shadeslayer: well yeah, if they want to build kdelibs that is... if they want to build something else they won't get much out of the builddeps of kdelibs [12:44] 11:07 < Riddell> is this dhmk file intended for any kde software or just SC? /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/debian-qt-kde.mk [12:44] 11:10 < svuorela> packages we control. [12:44] shadeslayer: so, I think -dev, cmake, automoc [12:44] apachelogger: ↑ [12:44] shadeslayer: should cover everything [12:44] bit orwellian that :) [12:45] Riddell: what does that even mean ^^ [12:45] apachelogger: ack [12:45] apachelogger: automoc should probably in Recommends right? [12:45] I mean, cmake has it's own automoc IIRC [12:46] agateau: is Doxyqml something that ought to be in the ubuntu archive? [12:46] shadeslayer: dep on it anyway, it's really small and most stuff expects it [12:46] Riddell: Doxyqml is something which is already in the ubuntu archive :) [12:46] shadeslayer: in fact I am not even sure the kde macros will work without the actuall automoc [12:47] Riddell: the Unity QML team uses it ;) [12:47] nifty [12:47] since the way you use automoc is by calling its own supplied macros, and the cmake builtin doesn't have those [12:52] mamarley: first of all look at this quassel=> http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/12/plasma-desktopOZ8102.png this konversation instead => http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/12/plasma-desktoplD8102.png [12:53] mamarley: then where i can set away status automatically ? setting for example 10 minutes [12:53] I think when you click the Ban button, you get more options. Not sure though because I have never tried it. [12:53] Quassel does automatic away too. Additionally, you can configure it to make you away when all clients have disconnected from the core. [12:54] mamarley: can i set like in konversation even the time ? [12:54] mamarley: like this i mean ..... http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/12/plasma-desktopPx8102.png [12:55] * mamarley isn't sure. [12:56] mamarley: ehhehe i think no here it is on quassel for example i can't see where i can configure away time http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/12/plasma-desktopjZ8102.png [12:56] bah, I messed up the meta-kde changelog [12:56] mamarley: then ... i have konsole on konversation that is handy to check stuff when i am supporting people [12:57] mamarley: like this http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/12/plasma-desktoprr8102.png [12:58] Drives: HDD Total Size: 750.2GB (20.1% used) 1: /dev/sda Hitachi_HTS54757 750.2GB [12:58] Optical: /dev/sr0 model N/A dev-links cdrom [12:58] Features: speed 24x multisession yes audio yes dvd yes rw cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r,dvd-ram [12:58] well i guess it's noit the right channel [12:58] i shoudl join on #quassel i guess [13:02] apachelogger: can you upload screenshots for a package that doesn't exist in Debian? [13:03] shadeslayer: no idea [13:04] but I guess so, because software-center has a screenshot and its probably not in debian [13:08] software-center is in Debian (but you still can upload screenshots for Ubuntu-only packages) [14:19] mitya57: how does that work? Do I have to mention it somewhere? [14:19] mitya57: or more importantly can I request a mapping for a existing screenshot to a new package? [14:20] shadeslayer: can't you just use the submit form? [14:20] mitya57: http://screenshots.debian.net/upload [14:20] ^ nope [14:20] I type kde-developer-sdk and then the name vanishes [14:21] ( that's a ubuntu only package at the moment ) [14:21] Strange, I remember I added http://screenshots.debian.net/package/unity-mail some (long) time ago [14:22] shadeslayer: try hacking the code to remove autocomplete/autovanish :) [14:27] shadeslayer: try http://screenshots.ubuntu.com/upload [14:27] anyone know of a web ui to track ubuntu patches? [14:27] (and ignore my previous comment) [14:27] mitya57: yeah that works :) [14:27] shadeslayer: patches.ubuntu.com? [14:27] oh noes [14:27] it does not [14:27] not sure how well that works nowadays [14:27] apachelogger: nope, that tracks delta between ubuntu and debian [14:28] mitya57: package name disappears [14:28] shadeslayer: I guess the webui then is launchpad/bazaar? :P [14:28] apachelogger: I reckon so [14:28] I was hoping for a better one [14:28] Riddell: something is broken in my ktp [14:28] shadeslayer: oh? [14:29] Riddell: the text ui takes a bazillion light years to load up [14:29] there's none, had something on my todo at some point, but not got beyond initial pondering [14:29] it has been suggested that my disk is dying [14:29] like the doctor, it needs replacing [14:29] that being said, writing something like patches.ubuntu.com but for all patches ought not be much work I guess [14:29] particularly if you simply want it limited to kde stuff since we have most of everything in bzr anyway [14:29] *nod* [14:30] apachelogger: why are you not dossing around on facebook? how am I supposed to test ktp? [14:30] so, query all branches, checkout all branches, extract debian/patches [14:30] shadeslayer: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-developer-sdk does not exist, did you mean a different package name? [14:30] Riddell: because it's evil? :P [14:30] mitya57: it's a binary package, source is meta-kde [14:30] mitya57: source is meta-kde [14:30] even putting meta-kde doesn't work :) [14:31] Riddell: ur not on google talk [14:31] apachelogger: google talk hasn't worked for me in telepathy for months [14:31] or you don't have me circled or however that works [14:31] Riddell: works for me [14:31] the jabber part of it anyway [14:31] shadeslayer: Ah, that's because it's using a packages list from Saucy :( [14:32] According to http://screenshots.ubuntu.com/about [14:32] :O [14:32] mitya57: so how do I make this work then .. hmm [14:32] Find the maintainer and make him update the URL... [14:33] Riddell: upload plz https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/kubuntu-driver-manager_14.04ubuntu2.dsc [14:33] "Since May 2013, support for the XMPP instant messaging protocol is dropped" says wikipaedia on gtalk [14:33] shadeslayer: ok if I upload ktp? [14:34] Riddell: well, maybe not jabber, the google talk in telepathy works though :P [14:34] Riddell: go ahead [14:34] https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1MIE1hbjAABbhvXnq-Ys_JLYAbKu1pN_0nlc8wVYVXUg/formResponse [14:34] what do you reckon? [14:40] apachelogger: lovely [14:42] apachelogger: we have a patch in kde-runtime for fixing https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310486 [14:42] KDE bug 310486 in general "Unable to logout/reboot after KDE upgrade." [Major,Resolved: invalid] [14:42] which goes against policy [14:43] or our to-be policy [14:43] shadeslayer: does not compute [14:43] what does it do? [14:44] read the bug report? [14:44] wtf, kde-workspace has a patch that I commited in 2012 [14:45] shadeslayer: what triggered you to update libqaccessibilityclient last week? [14:45] shadeslayer: from what I gather the patch was transitional [14:46] Riddell: IIRC it failed on an archive rebuild [14:46] also apparently no one got aaron to actually understand the problem [14:46] Riddell: and then I noticed it hadn't been updated in a while [14:47] like in over a year [14:47] so I updated it [14:47] also, this is approximately the type of issue that the card for upgrade experience is supposed to address by not installing updates directly after download but at reboot/startup/someothertime [14:48] it's a runtime issue where $runningversion clashes with $installedverseion in this case because $installed is loaded at runtime and doesn't find a symbol it expects to be there [14:48] which whould not be an issue if $installed only changes when $running is not actually running [14:49] that's a global issue, plasma theme cache also had a defect there because it simply wasn't able to detect when a new theme is installed at runtime, thus prevent cache cleanup [14:54] Riddell: any reason why kubuntu_fix_username_icon_alignment.diff wasn't upstreamed? [14:55] in kde-workspace [14:55] huh [14:56] shadeslayer: I think aaron doesn't like it [14:56] aha https://svn.reviewboard.kde.org/r/870/ [14:57] but seele liked it and she's upstream so it's valid [14:59] shadeslayer: JT simply didn't follow up? [14:59] apachelogger: possibly, talking to d_ed [14:59] the basic premise of the patch would have been preserved with aaron's comments, he just wanted the user icon to be bigger [15:00] which frankly might have technical limits anyway since the icon only is 32x32 or something I think [15:01] apachelogger: Riddell d_ed says it can't go in because it's a Behavioural change [15:01] so postpone to Plasma Next [15:01] or NEXT [15:01] yes [15:01] or whatever they're calling it now [15:01] I could have told you that as well :P [15:02] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6920356/ [15:03] morning sgclark [15:03] good morning [15:03] sgclark: no it's not important, that's the version of debian policy the packager says the package complies to [15:03] sgclark: if the package comes from debian just leave it [15:03] if it comes from ubuntu just update it [15:04] comes from kde [15:04] not sure : / [15:05] Riddell: Merge with debian is in changelog so from debian? [15:05] sgclark: yep [15:05] k, leaving alone [15:06] argh, whenver I go online in ktp people start spamming me [15:08] shadeslayer: the comments to your touchpad post [15:08] xD [15:08] oh right [15:09] apachelogger: it's because you're so popular [15:09] Riddell: yeah, it's a real drag :S [15:09] Riddell, shadeslayer, ScottK, yofel: sooooooo, we could migrate most of our wiki stuff to kde's techbase if we want to [15:10] yay [15:10] sooo... why should we? [15:10] cause moinmoin is le crap [15:10] plus upstream is cool [15:10] and most of our present wiki is many degrees of useless [15:10] moinmoin works for me as long as you don't need to export it [15:12] yofel: been using it excessively last week, it gets in the way of progress more than it helps it [15:12] ah s/techbase/community actually [15:12] so perhaps we should first clean out all the plunder we have on the wiki right now [15:13] and then toss a coin on whether to continue using it [15:14] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/pbqf3puhq [15:15] thoughts on upstreaming? [15:16] only relevant if someone uses ibus [15:17] So, tag as vendor specific patch? [15:18] yeah [15:18] well [15:18] that looks like a bloody workaround [15:19] really ibus should be fixed [15:19] qtibus or whatever tries to access the dir should make the dir [15:19] or not try to access it if it wasn't created or something [15:19] that patch just prevents the symptom, the issue of unvalidated path access inside ibus/qt still remains [15:20] Riddell: gtk2 one ready [15:21] sgclark: awooga [15:21] Riddell: why do we have kubuntu_kde-workspace-kwin-touch-mouseevents-translation.diff [15:22] changelog says * Don't apply kubuntu_kde-workspace-kwin-touch-mouseevents-translation.diff workaround for libxi clashing with libxfixes (plus kwin author not entirely happy with the patch) [15:22] hmm but it does get applies not [15:23] kde-workspace (4:4.9.98a-0ubuntu2) raring; urgency=low [15:23] * Add kde-workspace-kwin-touch-mouseevents-translation.diff from upstream [15:23] -- Rohan Garg Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:03:05 +0000 [15:23] that rohan chap to blame [15:24] Riddell: what changelog is that from 0.o [15:24] shadeslayer: kde-workspace [15:24] afk [15:24] yeah, I don't have that on my machine [15:25] I'm looking at 4.11.6 [15:25] aha, found it [15:25] Riddell: right, nvm [15:25] Riddell: mind looking at kde-workspace 4.11.6 in kubuntu-ppa/staging [15:25] and maybe copying over 4.12 to backports [15:27] aha [15:27] I think that patch was for plasma-active [15:27] yep [15:27] but I'm not entirely sure [15:27] it is http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/active/3.0/src/patches/kde-workspace-kwin-touch-mouseevents-translation.diff [15:27] notmart added it [15:28] and it's obviously only applied downstream [15:28] I don't know whether it was a meego/mer specific thing [15:28] and I don't know whether it was required on other distros at all [15:29] (and the code in question is dead in master anyway :-P ) [15:29] seeing how we have 0.4 in the archives I'm inclined to drop it [15:30] kill it [15:34] Riddell: done [15:34] fpt [15:34] I'm only halfway done through kde-workspace patches [15:34] and it's already 4:35 [15:35] * shadeslayer stops [15:35] kde-workspace is now partly dep 3 \o/ [15:36] and we got rid of 2 patches [15:36] dep 3? [15:36] http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/ [15:36] what was the other patch? [15:37] upstream_Use-cascaded-configs-for-other-modules-as-well.patch [15:37] was not in series [15:38] "From: Rohan Garg [15:38] that rohan chap again [15:39] yeah, I upstreamed it, but patch was never removed [15:39] sgclark: gtk2-engines-oxygen uploaded! [15:40] Riddell: you forgot to remove debian/patches/kubuntu_kde-runtime-4.9.98-kde#310486.patch [15:40] in kde-runtime [15:41] oh wait [15:42] kubuntu_kde-runtime-4.9.98-kde#310486.patch can be dropped as well \o/ [15:42] ( ignore my earlier comment ) [15:42] yay [15:45] apachelogger: plz dep 3 kubuntu_drkonqi_whoopsie_integration.patch [15:46] write me a card === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [15:49] cyphermox_: what's the plans for modemmanager 1.2.0? [15:50] we'll upload it to debian experimental soon [15:50] cyphermox_: do I need to check it with anything? [15:50] well, it's probably not much different than for MM -- making sure that plasma-nm / libmm-qt is fine with it [15:51] afaik in Debian they're not updated === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [15:56] yofel: http://paste.kde.org/poz2trsps < where did you get that? [15:57]