[05:13] <MartijnVdS> I'd try ebay first too, dogmatic69
[05:35] <mapps> given up on squidguard trying ufdbguard
[05:35] <mapps> ;]
[05:38] <MartijnVdS> mapps: what are you trying to do with it?
[05:38] <mapps> just have some knd of blocklist system for use with squid proxy
[05:39] <MartijnVdS> mapps: just ask your ISP to give you pre-filtered internet ;)
[05:39] <MartijnVdS> isn't that a law now?
[05:40] <mapps> yea but i think it only applies to new connections andisnt rolled out for all yet
[06:40] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:45] <jussi> I dont understand... what value is thereto making mobile phones with glass screens and not plastic :/
[06:45] <jussi> (yep, broke my screen last night)
[06:47] <MooDoo> ouch, mine broke a few months ago, just a hair line crack, nothing to worry about just a pain in the neck
[06:47] <jussi> MooDoo: mine looks more like a car windscreen after an accident...
[06:47] <MooDoo> oh bugger
[06:57] <jussi> MooDoo: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2usG9rmoZzcVnlMRTNndm52aDg/edit?usp=sharing
[07:02] <MooDoo> jussi: oh that's not good :(
[07:02] <jussi> MooDoo: yeah, its nasty
[07:03] <jussi> I think Im going to try do the change myself, with a hairdryer etc...
[07:04] <MooDoo> good luck with that one :D
[07:06] <jussi> lol
[07:08] <MooDoo> about the most technical thing I did last night was install 13.10 on my laptop lol
[07:08] <MooDoo> and watch all the debian users kick off about systemd lol
[07:09] <jussi> MooDoo: its not much to lose to be honest - If I screw it up then I just have to buy the more complicated part, which is the other alternative anyway... and the glass itself only costs about a tenner...
[07:09] <MooDoo> that's not too bad then, I'd just end up buying a new phone lol
[07:23] <MooDoo> bloomin ICANN
[08:03] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:04] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon how goes it?
[08:04] <brobostigon> not bad, still half asleep, busy day. and you MooDoo ?
[08:06] <MooDoo> brobostigon: yeah finally got my ubuntu working how I like it :)
[08:06] <brobostigon> MooDoo: :)
[08:07] <brobostigon> i would say the same about my pebble, finally got the right watchapp with the right information i want.
[08:07] <MooDoo> brobostigon: still tempted to upgrade to LTS lol
[08:08] <brobostigon> which lts is the important question, :)
[08:08] <MooDoo> well upgrade was the clue :p
[08:08] <MooDoo> not downgrade ;)
[08:08] <brobostigon> lts to lts ?
[08:08] <MooDoo> brobostigon: ok my fault :) i'm on 13.10 to 14.04 :)
[08:09] <brobostigon> ah,. :)
[08:09] <MooDoo> brobostigon: apparently it's stable enough so I might give it a try
[08:09] <brobostigon> isnt that the point of lts, that it is stable, ?
[08:10] <MooDoo> brobostigon: yes, but normally I don't install stuff until release, and as that's a couple of months away...
[08:10] <brobostigon> good point, maybe try a daily build and see how stable it is, or a persistant usb, ?
[08:11] <MooDoo> brobostigon: yeah good plan :D
[08:11] <brobostigon> :)
[08:14] <MooDoo> brobostigon: don't think i'll touch my server though until it's done, my minecraft playing friends would go nuts if I broke it :D
[08:14] <brobostigon> i run my MC server on debian testing,
[08:15] <MooDoo> brobostigon: I just happen to have a vps through work so I use that :D  mines not vanilla though it's Feed the beast :D
[08:15] <brobostigon> ah.
[08:15] <MooDoo> brobostigon: got bored with vanilla, there is only so much you can do :(
[08:16] <brobostigon> MooDoo: i have yet to test other versions.
[08:16] <MooDoo> brobostigon: try feed the beast, you'll love it, there is so much more you can do :)
[08:17] <brobostigon> i will look it up, :)
[08:17] <MooDoo> yay
[08:26] <diplo> Morning all
[08:26] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[08:26] <diplo> Got any VMWare ESX users in here ?
[08:32] <MooDoo> diplo: I've only played with 3.5 on a 32bit platform so it's a bit old
[08:44] <diplo> ok ta
[08:44] <diplo> We had a power cut at headoffice yesterday, one of the VM's lost most of it's config files in the vm dir, seeing if anyone else has ever seen that.. found some KB's on VM's site so going to try that
[08:45] <MooDoo> ouch :(
[08:45] <diplo> It's out main SVN server :/
[08:46] <MooDoo> bugger
[08:46] <diplo> ( this isn't my role ) but I can't find backups either, the hardware guys don't seem to know if it has or not :/
[09:02] <neuro> diplo: what vm platform?
[09:03] <dwatkins> If the VM's virtual disk is ok, can the rest be recreated?
[09:03] <neuro> i was going to suggest simply mounting the virtual disk onto another vm
[09:08] <diplo> neuro: 4.1 esxi
[09:08] <neuro> yikes, old :)
[09:08] <diplo> Basically you normally have two or more vmdk files, a vmx file and some others
[09:08] <neuro> i know
[09:09] <diplo> I have flat_vmdk and another one and that's it
[09:09] <diplo> It seems I can re-create
[09:09] <diplo> At a push
[09:12] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:13] <neuro> mahalo
[09:14]  * czajkowski hugs neuro 
[09:18] <Laney> meow
[09:23] <czajkowski> Laney: enjoy fosdem ?
[09:23] <czajkowski> the drinking in darkness was a tad odd :)
[09:25] <bigcalm> You should try blind dining
[09:25] <foobarry> whats the new compression format they use for the kernel now? didn't bzip get replaced
[09:26] <Laney> czajkowski: big and scary and dark!
[09:26] <Laney> but there were a lorra people there & also free mongo cupcakes
[09:26] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Darwin Day! :-D
[09:26] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait
[09:27] <JamesTait> MooDoo, o/
[09:27] <SuperMatt> dudes
[09:28] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: and dudettes :p
[09:28] <neuro> gawd
[09:28] <MooDoo> lol
[09:28] <neuro> i'm working with a guy who types soooo slowly
[09:29] <MooDoo> neuro: using one finger on each hand?
[09:29] <neuro> which means in our chat app, all i see is "<bloke's user name> is typing" for AAAAGES
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> neuro: "Give me that keyboard" feelings?
[09:30] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: did you want something matey?
[09:31] <neuro> MartijnVdS: sometimes i think it would be quicker on a conference call
[09:31] <neuro> and i hate conference calls
[09:32] <neuro> MooDoo: not so much slow typing per se
[09:32] <SuperMatt> MooDoo: no, nothing
[09:32] <neuro> i've seen the guy type and he's not a slow 'un
[09:32] <SuperMatt> just saying hi
[09:32] <neuro> but he tends to type multiple paragraphs at a time
[09:32] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: HI  o/ :)
[09:32] <SuperMatt> HI
[09:32] <neuro> rather than mashing return every so often
[09:32] <neuro> so it takes ages to get a reply
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> neuro: I know a guy like that.. typing is excruciatinly slow, but every morning he comes in with another gigabyte of new code to review
[09:32] <neuro> and because we're using a lovely ajaxy awesome web chat app thing, it does the skype thang and shows when someone is typing
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> Sometimes I wonder if he employs people who type code for him ;)
[09:33] <diplo> neuro: Guy I work with is like that, I end up calling him most of the time
[09:33] <neuro> :)
[09:33] <neuro> MartijnVdS: he's a contractor ... possibly!!
[09:33] <czajkowski> Laney: the cupcakes were a lot of fun
[09:34] <czajkowski> at oint point I thought we'd ordered too much and then I hda a queue of over 200 people outside the nosql room waiting to go in so gave a way a lot of them
[09:34] <Laney> nice
[09:34] <neuro> I MISSED CUPCAKES?!?!??!?
[09:34] <neuro> [insert swear words here]
[09:34] <czajkowski> neuro: 1000 of them to be exact
[09:34] <MooDoo> I knew I should of gone
[09:35] <neuro> [insert more swear words]
[09:35] <czajkowski> neuro: https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/429916739758211072/photo/1
[09:35] <neuro> we really should be able to temporarily suspend logging and code of conduct so that i can go on a swear bender
[09:35] <neuro> czajkowski: [SWEAR WORDS]!!!!!
[09:36] <MooDoo> neuro join #swearbender to vent ;)
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> neuro: #ubuntu-scotland
[09:36] <czajkowski> lol
[09:36] <neuro> haha
[09:36] <neuro> ok i swear this guy has been typing for 3 mnutes
[09:36] <neuro> oh there we go
[09:36] <neuro> war and peace
[09:36] <czajkowski> neuro: feel better now
[09:36] <neuro> czajkowski: yes!
[09:37] <shauno> neuro: I know that pain.  we have a manager who appears to type with one finger. ".. is typing" for ages, you're starting to get optimistic that there's actually a decent, fleshed out answer coming.  and then it arrives.  "strange."
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I have a few friends like that too. "How are you?" [.. is typing, for 5 minutes] "Fine"
[09:40] <jussi> laptop manufacturers that put fn+$key for volume keys should be shot
[09:40] <jussi> I shouldnt have to use 2 hands to change the volume...
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> jussi: mine has a bios (efi system setup?) setting for that :)
[09:40] <jussi> especially fn in bottom left + F11/F12...
[09:41] <jussi> MartijnVdS: hrm?
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> jussi: I can switch my keyboard between "F-key = F-key" and "F-key is multimedia key" modes from the bios
[09:41] <jussi> ahh
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> jussi: in both cases, the Fn-key makes them do the other action (so if it's set to F-key = F-key, Fn+F-key = Multimedia key)
[09:42] <jussi> I dont think this HP has that... should check
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> otherwise fn+F-key = F-key, and F-key without modifier = multimedia key
[09:42] <jussi> sounds nice...
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> dell ;)
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> xps12
[09:43] <shauno> that's how mine works too.  eg, f10 is mute or f10.  you choose whether you'd rather the default be f-keys or useful-keys
[09:43] <popey> Morning
[09:44] <MooDoo> Morning Alan
[09:59] <jussi> woohoo... my raft of options includes.... wait for it... "Numlock on at boot" - not much else...
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> jussi: which is evil tool
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> too*
[10:00] <jussi> I have some other stuff I can change, but nothing relevant :/
[10:00] <jussi> what is Data Execution Prevention ?
[10:04] <popey> supposed to prevent certain exploits
[10:04] <popey> so you can only execute code from an execution block or something
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> jussi: it marks memory pages as "contains executable code" or "doesn't contain executable code", and the CPU knows about that
[10:05]  * popey remembers x86 assembler very vaguely
[10:05] <jussi> so I should probably still leave it enabled :P
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> jussi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_bit
[10:30] <shauno> you shouldn't have to mess with that unless you're running an ancient kernel
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> where ancient = >10 years old
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> shauno: but he was talking about bios settings
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> All CPU features, except "CPUID limit": enable ;)
[11:11] <MooDoo> I haven't used a mail client on ubuntu for ages, normally use webmail, whats eveolution or thunderbird like nowadays?
[11:15] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:15] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[11:16] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: did you get sorted in the end yesterday?
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: with the phone? I just picked the "Yes" option manually
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: now it's just me not being able to figure out how to work Ubuntu Phone
[11:17] <MooDoo> wish I could install it on my samsung gs3 :(
[11:18] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: so phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel-proposed -d (phone type maguro/mako) -b should do you in future if it is needed :)
[11:18] <davmor2> MooDoo: :(
[11:18] <popey> you shouldn't need to though, now you've flashed it
[11:19] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: you get used to it very quickly if it is the only device you use and then you struggle with android
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> Should graphics be smooth? Or is the device just too old for that?
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> (Galaxy Nexus)
[11:20] <diplo> MooDoo: I use Thunderbird still on occasion, still sucks really
[11:20] <diplo> End up using roundcube more
[11:21] <popey> MartijnVdS: it needs some work, there's some performance issues we know about
[11:21] <popey> qt5.2 fixes some of them
[11:21] <popey> but some are app specific, and the devs need to improve them.
[11:21] <MooDoo> diplo: yeah I'm already using webmail, just want to move to a desktop client so I can pop them all down....just playing really
[11:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: thunderbird is definitely getting more sucky
[11:21] <popey> we are adding a nice profiling popup in the phone UI so you can see how much time is spent in cpu/gpu while rendering
[11:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: boooo
[11:23] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: the galaxy nexus hardware is also kinda sucky so you can't take screenshots it will lock up the device, every now and then you'll close an app and the phone will just lock up ;(
[11:24] <diplo> Mpt tried evolution in a long time ,keep meaning to try the new one but haven't had much chance recently
[11:25] <MooDoo> I've just join #naughtystep
[11:25]  * MooDoo slaps davmor2 with a wet fish
[11:25] <davmor2> MooDoo: evo worked better for me than thunderbird but I like to try as stay as vanilla as I can on my system
[11:26] <MooDoo> evo?  not heard of that, I'll take a look
[11:26] <davmor2> evolution
[11:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: ^
[11:26] <MooDoo> doh!
[11:42] <ali1234> why do the linked library names change when i strip an executable?
[11:53] <davmor2> MooDoo: is that me left now?
[11:53] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's fine i'm ops now
[11:56] <MooDoo> yay for #naughtystep :D
[12:29] <codecowboy> Hi. I'm seeing this memory usage on ubuntu - Mem:    604336k total,   564784k used,    39552k free,    34468k buffers. Its an AWS micro instance. Is there a way to see how much the OS is using?
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> codecowboy: what do you mean "the OS"?
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> Which part of it?
[12:33] <codecowboy> MartijnVdS well, I suppose I mean all processes which are necessary to operating system. I am trying to see how much memory there really is to play with over and above what the operating system - kernel, etc require
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> why though? The kernel manages that for you.. once you run out of buffers and start using swap regularly, you start to worry
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> but not before :)
[12:35] <codecowboy> MartijnVdS I'm running this micro instance for a client and it seems to fall over after a couple of days and not let me ssh in. I'm trying to figure out why. I thought an obvious thing might be the memory filling up
[12:38] <diplo> Doesn't Amazons web interface have great stats for stuff like that ? A friend uses it and gets alerts about mem usage and can diagnose from there quite often
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> codecowboy: it does seem a bit high on "used" vs "total", you could check what is using up all that memory using something like "top" (and sort by memory use)
[12:39] <popey> codecowboy: is it running wordpress by any chance? ☻
[12:39] <codecowboy> popey nope, nodejs
[12:39] <popey> ah
[12:41] <codecowboy> MartijnVdS yeah, when I run top and hit m, everything apart from node, occasionally mysql and phantomjs are at 0.0.
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> codecowboy: you need capital M, and look at the memory columns, not the CPU columns
[12:51] <codecowboy> MartijnVdS. yep, so the top % usage is node 10.1, phantomjs 8.6, mysqld 7.7 and another node 2.8 (guessing that one is my cron job). Is there a way to see actual memory usage in top, not percentage?
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> codecowboy: look in the "RES" or "VIRT" columns instead?
[12:52] <MartijnVdS> there is no "actual" memory usage, with overcommitting etc. going on
[12:55] <codecowboy> MartijnVdS cool, need to read up more on what all the top stuff is. thanks for your help!
[12:57] <dwatkins> There's always system monitor, the graphical version.
[12:57] <dwatkins> or on the flipside, 'sar' for fun with all sorts of kernel stats
[13:06] <foobarry> somebody smashed the locks on my shed last night :S
[13:08] <dwatkins> bah, foobarry
[13:08] <foobarry> knocked them clean off.
[13:08] <foobarry> looks like if someone wants to get in, then padlocks are a piffle
[13:08] <dwatkins> I was just about to get this for a friend, perhaps it'll help: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0002558033/ (SAS urban survival handbook)
[13:09] <dwatkins> Hopefully it doesn't suggest illegal things like concreting shards of glass to the top of your wall, much as I'd like to do that.
[13:09]  * popey returns from a cold garden, making a ditch
[13:10] <foobarry> not sure i'll be able to get new locks before the weekend
[13:10] <foobarry> and if there's any point anyway
[13:11] <awilkins> My co-worker is being upgraded to Windows 7. The tool doing the upgrade is based on Linux. This is some kind of filthy abomination.
[13:11] <popey> they came into your garden?
[13:29] <foobarry> popey: yes
[13:29] <popey> golly
[13:29] <foobarry> scoundrels
[13:41] <diplo> bigcalm: Just saw you were trying munin on twitter
[13:41] <diplo> What're you using it for specifically ?
[13:41] <diplo> Just looking at sorting out our Nagios setup and trying some different things
[13:42] <diplo> What do others use instead of Nagios?? Opsview/Icinga ?
[13:42] <jussi> can someone make me a cup of tea... :/
[13:42] <diplo> I'll have one at the same time!
[13:43] <awilkins> Anyone know JAXB intimately
[13:43] <awilkins> ?
[13:45] <diplo> Nope, hadn't heard ofit till you asked :/
[13:47] <foobarry> zabbix, graphite
[13:47] <foobarry> ganglia
[13:57] <diplo> Is that what you use foobarry ?
[13:59] <jussi> anyone here got a good recipe for shepherds pie? I have found a bunch on the net, but a recommendation is always nice...
[14:00] <foobarry> lamb or beef(cottage)
[14:05] <jussi> foobarry: beef (although my mince is beef/pork mixx, but who cares)
[14:06] <foobarry> didn't think there was much to it.
[14:06] <DJones> jussi: Mince (Beef or Turkey) onions, carrots, peas & gravy for the base, mashed potato on top, maybe with some grated cheese for a crust
[14:07] <foobarry> cook mince with finely chopped onions. slap on the mash. make a little plughed field motif on the top, heat in oven
[14:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's pretty easy really. Fry the meat so it's brown. Add an onion, garlic, chopped carrot or two, peas, some chopped tomatoes - cook it down so it's a really thick gravy.
[14:07] <Seeker`> jussi: put leek and cheese on top of the mashed potato
[14:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Boil some spuds.
[14:07] <jussi> Seeker`: ooh, I wish I had leek!  nom
[14:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Smash them up, add butter, loads of cheese, some milk or cream and leeks on top
[14:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Grated nutmeg in the mash helps too. And always season (salt/pepper)
[14:08] <jussi> recommended spices?
[14:08] <DJones> salt & pepper
[14:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> In the stew nothing much - I use herb de provence mostly
[14:08] <jussi> nutmeg in the meat, I know.
[14:08] <DJones> Don't go for overkill
[14:08] <foobarry> crumble a bovril cube onto the mince to make it super beefy
[14:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> nutmeg in the mash - not the meat
[14:09] <jussi> foobarry: could be interesting
[14:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> A teaspoon of Marmite instead of bovril :-D
[14:09] <foobarry> or pour on some strong gravy
[14:09]  * jussi wanders off to put on the spuds
[14:09] <jussi> we dont have "gravy" here - got to make it myself
[14:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just cook the meat with a tin of chopped toms
[14:10]  * DJones wonders were jussi was last night http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/eu-justice-commissioner-viviane-reding-has-luggage-and-pie-stolen-from-official-car-parked-in-mayfair-outside-debate-on-europe-9120407.html
[14:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Trick is to make sure it's really thick and fairly cold before you put the mash on top. Else the mash will kind of sink in to the meat...
[14:11] <foobarry> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Master-Lock-723EURD-140mm-Security/dp/B001MTERE8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1392214256&sr=8-1&keywords=iron+hasp+staple
[14:11] <foobarry> iron hasp stronger than hardened steel?
[14:11] <foobarry> does a strong hasp mean they will kimmy the door next time?
[14:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'd doub't it foobarry - Iron tends to be more brittle than steel
[14:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hardened steel is pretty tough.
[14:12] <MooDoo> it's well 'ard ;)
[14:12] <foobarry> reviews lok happy
[14:13] <foobarry> why aren't there any brick and mortar shops anymore
[14:14] <daftykins> nobody supported them
[14:14] <foobarry> i tried
[14:15] <foobarry> b&q and wickes dont hold stock
[14:17] <daftykins> how did they make enough noise to get by some padlocks without being noticed?
[14:17] <daftykins> i guess some proper cutters are pretty quiet
[14:18] <foobarry> they twatted the locks off
[14:18] <daftykins> brb
[14:18] <foobarry> padlocks were still locked on the floor
[14:18] <daftykins> O_O
[14:19] <popey> screws fall out of the door?
[14:19] <popey> well "fall"
[14:19] <foobarry> no
[14:19] <foobarry> imagine this kind of hasp http://www.amazon.co.uk/Master-Lock-7804704EURD-Weatherproof-Padlock/dp/B001MTERFW/ref=sr_1_13?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1392213159&sr=1-13&keywords=hasp+staple
[14:19] <shauno> locks won't stop them if they're determined.  they basically just deter idle hands
[14:19] <popey> .. but in bits on the floor?
[14:19] <foobarry> the loop bit where the padlock goes on
[14:19] <foobarry> got clobbered and fell off
[14:19] <foobarry> padlocks intact on floor
[14:20] <foobarry> with a broken loop bit
[14:20] <foobarry> haven't asked neighbour yet if he got done over
[14:26] <foobarry> looks like it will be easy access for them until the weekend anyway
[14:26] <foobarry> bikes in the house time
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: get better quality padlocks next time ;)
[14:27] <foobarry> no the padlocks are fine
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> apparently they're not, if they've been destroyed
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> ah wait, the loop you put it through
[14:28] <foobarry> nope the hasp and staple they were attached to got destroyed
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> I thought you meant the loop on top of the padlock
[14:28] <foobarry> nope
[14:30] <foobarry> i wonder when amazon will start letting you play whole songs instead of 20 seconds
[14:32] <MartijnVdS> when you pay the £0,99
[14:32] <shauno> when you pay for them :)
[14:32] <MartijnVdS> ^5 shauno
[14:32] <foobarry> meh
[14:32] <foobarry> TIL pixies released new stuff
[14:33] <shauno> you must have missed their torrent giveaway a while back.  they mail me constantly now
[14:33] <foobarry> :(
[14:33] <foobarry> bossanova was my first CD purchase. week it came out
[14:33] <foobarry> surfer rosa purcahsed on cassette from woolworths
[14:34] <foobarry> new stuff is too foo fighter type music
[14:34] <foobarry> if you extraploate from their last stuff it make sense
[14:39] <foobarry> recuitment agency phoned me. hello i'm from austin fraser.... "don't have time to talk to agencies ...bye"
[14:39] <popey> foobarry: tried poor mans spotify?
[14:39] <foobarry> ring ring...same number?
[14:39] <foobarry> popey: that the russian one?
[14:39] <foobarry> never haz my musics on it
[14:39] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6920263/
[14:39] <popey> python script, run it, type in artist name, choose track to play
[14:40] <foobarry> pleer never has my stuff :(
[14:41] <foobarry> enter to download :-0
[14:51] <foobarry> mostly i only listen to classical at work
[14:51] <foobarry> the only thing that helps me work rather than distracts
[14:51] <foobarry> bit like inspector morse
[15:08] <Guest57880> hmm
[15:08] <Guest57880> absoutely bucketing down
[15:08] <daftykins> http://www.raintoday.co.uk/
[15:08] <daftykins> yeah quite the stripe across England atm
[15:09] <mapps> ya
[15:09] <mapps> u at work?
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: http://buienradar.nl/
[15:09] <daftykins> i work from home
[15:09] <daftykins> nipped out to lunch with friends and got soaked though
[15:09] <mapps> nice
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: nice & dry day here :)
[15:09] <mapps> nice about home
[15:09] <mapps> not getting soaked
[15:09] <mapps> :D
[15:09] <daftykins> ;)
[15:10] <daftykins> i'm debating calling my ISP about my service
[15:10] <daftykins> i'm getting dropouts =/
[15:10] <daftykins> across two routers as well
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: ADSL?
[15:10] <mapps> two routers why
[15:10] <daftykins> VDSL2+
[15:11] <daftykins> mapps: as in i tried a second to confirm it wasn't a fault with the hardware
[15:11] <mapps> ahh
[15:11] <mapps> :)
[15:11] <daftykins> best way to get them to actually care
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: soggy phone wires somewhere in the street?
[15:11] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: possible - the terminal my ~6m phone line connects to at the top of the underground pipe is war time \o/
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: When I worked a DSL provider, we got more calls when it had rained a lot
[15:11] <daftykins> but my line stats showed sync rate of 50/20 originally
[15:12] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: most about lost/worse sync speeds
[15:12] <daftykins> now i'm seeing them fluctuate in real time and they're a lot down
[15:12] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: would they just have to deal with it, or would they do anything?
[15:12] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: Often it would go away when water levels dropped
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: if it didn't, we called KPN to replace the wires :)
[15:13] <daftykins> thing is it coincided with them changing us from ATM to PPPoE too
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> that could be it too then
[15:14] <neuro> daftykins: my folks got infinity installed
[15:14] <neuro> 40/10
[15:14] <neuro> worked fine for weeks
[15:14] <neuro> then suddenly dropped to 2/0.5 and constant drops
[15:14] <daftykins> ouch
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> Rats ate the wire?
[15:14] <daftykins> culrpit?
[15:14] <neuro> turned out the linebox that replaced the NTE5 had been badly wired (Kelly Comms *grrr*)
[15:14] <neuro> openreach engineer was raging
[15:15] <daftykins> ;/
[15:15] <neuro> so you may want to check the linebox just in case :)
[15:15] <daftykins> it won't have changed though 0o
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: something might have fallen off, or come loose
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: especially if it was badly wired
[15:15] <neuro> could be a profile snafu on the dslam
[15:15] <daftykins> well the service is 40/5 you see
[15:16] <daftykins> i still get that
[15:16] <daftykins> but the line sees 45/11 now whereas it had the capability of 50/20 prior
[15:16] <neuro> huh
[15:16] <daftykins> a friend suggests that if someone else got the service too near me since, crosstalk could've affected that
[15:16] <neuro> you were getting faster rates than you were contracted for?
[15:16] <daftykins> yes
[15:16] <neuro> wtf
[15:16] <daftykins> that's how all VDSL works
[15:17] <daftykins> there's what your line can do, and what you're provisioned for
[15:17] <MartijnVdS> neuro: ISPs do that, sync at max. speed possible, then limit on the other end (in the data centre)
[15:17] <neuro> um no
[15:17] <MartijnVdS> because why not
[15:17] <neuro> no they don't
[15:17] <MartijnVdS> neuro: they do here
[15:17] <neuro> not here
[15:17] <daftykins> they honestly do :)
[15:17] <daftykins> most routers won't necessarily show it
[15:17] <neuro> it sounds like you're misconfigured
[15:18] <daftykins> lol no
[15:18] <neuro> my lines can do 85
[15:18] <daftykins> hmm dropbox folder is having a spaz
[15:18] <daftykins> there we go
[15:18] <neuro> i'm contracted for 79
[15:18] <neuro> i get 70-75
[15:18] <neuro> my folks are closer to their cab than me
[15:18]  * MartijnVdS gets 100/100
[15:18] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/z19rxzrcg9va6mq/vdsl.jpg
[15:18] <daftykins> there y'go
[15:19] <neuro> i don't know what their max sync speed can be, but they are contracted for 40/10 and they get 40/10
[15:19] <neuro> but they're closer to their cab than i am to mine, so i'd assume they can sync faster
[15:19] <daftykins> right but their line sync stats will likely be higher
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> [   34.360000] eth0: link up (1000Mbps/Full duplex)
[15:20] <neuro> MartijnVdS: yeah yeah whatever
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> ^ Router connects to media converter (fibre to gig-E)
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> *zoom*
[15:25] <jussi> om nom nom, its in the oven :)
[15:30] <neuro> http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/button/139221898876609125979-mini.png
[15:31] <mapps> well
[15:31] <mapps> this isnt good
[15:31] <mapps> FATAL ERROR: cannot bind daemon socket: Permission denied (protocol=UNIX)  *****
[15:31] <mapps> cannot bind daemon socket: Permission denied (protocol=UNIX) *****
[15:31] <mapps> check for and kill old daemon processes
[15:31] <mapps> and remove UNIX socket file "/tmp/ufdbguardd-03977"
[15:32] <MartijnVdS> unix sockets are easy -- permission denied = same as for files in that location :)
[15:33] <mapps> hm?
[15:33] <mapps> so what should i do..there's no old unix socket file in /tmp and the dameon isnt running
[15:37] <mapps> every weekend whole groups of (often British) drunk and stoned guys walk in and out those premises with blue lights oblivious of the fact that those lights indicate the presence of (more or less) sexually transformed hookers.
[15:37] <mapps> i heard this too
[15:38] <mapps> but didn't see a single blue light (note..I was not seeking them out)
[15:38] <daftykins> what are you reading O_O
[15:39] <mapps> reddit
[15:39] <daftykins> oh dear
[15:39] <mapps> ;]
[15:39] <mapps> did you know what MartijnVdS  meant daftykins  ? permission denied for what;/
[15:42] <daftykins> if a process has no permission to bind a socket, it's either not running as root, or the socket is in use
[15:42] <mapps> ah
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> or the socket is owned by another user
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> or group
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> etc.
[15:43] <mapps> how can i check if the socket is in use/owned by someone? I'm running ufdbguard as user ufdb
[15:44] <daftykins> 0o
[15:45] <MartijnVdS> mapps: netstat ?
[15:45] <daftykins> well netstat -tuln would show if it's already actively being listened on
[15:45] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/l3ccv2mflaptps9/IMG_20140212_154104.jpg
[15:45] <daftykins> there's the phone lines to my immediate area coming out of the ground :>
[15:45] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: the white balance is off on the left part :P
[15:45] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/c3gmsn742yysy5g/IMG_20140212_154112.jpg
[15:45] <daftykins> and there's the war-time box itself \o/
[15:46] <daftykins> hah
[15:46] <mapps> root@dimension:/tmp# netstat -tuln | grep 03977
[15:46] <mapps> root@dimension:/tmp#
[15:46] <daftykins> nope that's just the colour of my house
[15:46] <mapps> nothingreturned
[15:46] <mapps> what speed do you connect at daftykins ?
[15:46] <daftykins> why leading zero? don't grep it
[15:46] <mapps> oh
[15:46] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/z19rxzrcg9va6mq/vdsl.jpg <--
[15:46] <daftykins> line sync used to be 50/20
[15:46] <mapps> didnt know what im looking for tbh thats why i grepped
[15:47] <mapps> better than mine
[15:47] <mapps> :(
[15:47] <daftykins> well, the port you're trying to use :D
[15:47] <daftykins> my service is only 40/5 though
[15:48] <mapps> grmph il have to read up on unix sockets..not entirely sure it didnt mention a port in the config..it mentions using tcp and setting a port
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> mapps: unix sockets don't have a "port"
[15:48] <daftykins> a socket = ip:port
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> mapps: unix sockets have a path
[15:48] <daftykins> oh unix sockets. different thing then? :>
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> AF_UNIX socket
[15:48] <mapps> yea
[15:48] <mapps> thats what i meant daftykins
[15:48] <mapps> so i dont know what im looking for:D
[15:49] <daftykins> *shrug*
[15:49] <daftykins> reading time then yes :D
[15:49] <mapps> :D
[15:49] <MartijnVdS> http://matt.scharley.me/2012/03/19/debugging-application-interactions-with-socat.html
[15:49] <daftykins> sorry, didn't mean to mislead
[15:49] <MartijnVdS> strace
[15:49] <MartijnVdS> could also help you determine what it's doing
[15:50] <mapps> aha
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> also, a solid grounding in C programming (or sockets in general) ;)
[15:50] <mapps> it sounds like permissions though
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> mapps: yes, it does. Check the path, check the file, check the uid of the running process(es)
[15:51] <mapps> check for and kill old daemon processes
[15:51] <mapps> and remove UNIX socket file "/tmp/ufdbguardd-03977"
[15:51] <mapps>  - i assume /tmp? the process doesnt properly start because of this unix socket error
[15:51] <mapps> it runs under ufdb though - so it must be to do with perms for /tmp
[15:55] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: do you think it would be futile to talk to an ISP given the rain potential then? i'm seeing dropouts with and without rain really
[15:55] <daftykins> but i bet they're swamped (excuse the pun) with jobs given the weather of late
[15:55] <mapps> noise on the line?
[15:55] <mapps> increase noise profile|?
[15:55] <daftykins> nah
[15:56] <daftykins> noooo shauno!
[15:57] <daftykins> :D
[15:59] <selinuxium> Hi all  o/
[16:00] <mapps> hi
[16:01] <selinuxium> I have been in hiding for several weeks... Any news? :)
[16:02] <daftykins> brown cow, the milk is in the farmhouse, over!
[16:04] <foobarry> monitor envy in the office
[16:04] <foobarry> Dell U2713HM looking nice
[16:05] <daftykins> haha
[16:05] <daftykins> once you get more pixels you can never go back!
[16:06] <foobarry> someone got a massive apple screen
[16:06] <foobarry> then it all kicked off
[16:06] <foobarry> need to check this isn't a glass screen
[16:06] <daftykins> why-so?
[16:06] <directhex> we have some u2713hm's
[16:07] <directhex> i buy them when they're on sale
[16:07] <foobarry> matt or gloss directhex ?
[16:08] <directhex> it's a matt display
[16:09] <foobarry> ta
[16:09] <foobarry> +1
[16:09] <foobarry> glossy display is like a mirror in office with fluoro lighting
[16:09] <daftykins> yeah :(
[16:09] <daftykins> or by windows
[16:09] <daftykins> or even just seeing your own face/outline in them
[16:10] <directhex> i don't understand when glossy is ever desirable
[16:10] <mapps> well that didnt work
[16:10] <shauno_> I can't stand matte :p
[16:10] <mapps> tried jb'in my iphone 5.seemed to crash around 75%
[16:10] <mapps> :)
[16:10] <daftykins> i think they tend to be coatings that improve colour vividness
[16:11] <foobarry> glossy looks nice in coffee shops and wtching video in the dark
[16:11] <foobarry> i.e. on other people's machines
[16:13] <shauno_> matte always seems to soften the picture.  it's like looking at a proper monitor through a thin sheet of vaseline
[16:14] <foobarry> less eye strain after a 10hr day
[16:15] <foobarry> 27 inch will give me considerable real esate improvement over the 23 incher
[16:17] <neuro> f'nar
[16:20] <dwatkins> I have a 27 inch display, it's great.
[16:21] <foobarry> slight problem of wobbly monitor when i type though
[16:22] <daftykins> wobbly? 0o
[16:22] <shauno_> we've got a dell one that's a complete disaster.  it seems to be two panels side-by-side, and one of them goes wonky if it's left on too long
[16:24] <codecowboy> I'm adding a couple of users to an ubuntu 12.04 server. I want them to be able to access a folder in another user's home directory and for that to be in their default path when they log in via ftp. Best / standard way to do this?
[16:25] <neuro> give them their own home directory and put a symbolic link to the one you want them both to see in their own home directory
[16:25] <foobarry> i'm sure some people get all the b grade dell kit
[16:25] <foobarry> i have great experience of them for last 15 years or so
[16:26] <codecowboy> neuro thanks
[16:29] <shauno_> I like most of mine too.  just this one that appears to be two panels in one screen.  no sir I don't like it
[16:33] <foobarry> which model
[16:33] <shauno_> 3008wfp
[16:37] <shauno_> hm, 'WFPt' apparently.  just had to hang my phone around the back to find it
[16:37] <shauno_> it's big, pretty and expensive.  but doesn't like running all day
[16:38] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[16:38]  * dwatkins checks the clock
[16:39]  * daftykins sneakers under dwatkins's chair and ties his laces together
[16:39] <dwatkins> sneaks?
[16:39] <daftykins> oh dear
[16:40] <daftykins> my fingers seem to be doing things i'm not intending a lot of late
[16:40] <dwatkins> I never sit still, so you'll have difficulty ;)
[16:40] <bigcalm> I think he's putting chocolate bars under your chair
[16:40] <daftykins> or referring to US footwear D:
[16:40] <daftykins> quick - give me more British channels to idle in!
[16:40] <dwatkins> I got a tricycle once with chocolate bars on the handlebars, I rode it happily around the room and then realised the chocolate had all melted under my hands
[16:40] <foobarry> ##marmite
[16:40] <dwatkins> are you already on the #naughtystep, daftykins?
[16:41] <daftykins> nope!
[16:41] <daftykins> dwatkins: d'aww
[16:41] <dwatkins> there's also #raspberrypi (you get kicked if you're idle, though) and #raspbian
[16:42] <shauno_> seems like an odd policy?
[16:43] <neuro> man, if i got kicked for being idle, i'd never be in any channels
[16:43] <daftykins> ^
[16:43] <daftykins> agreed
[16:43] <daftykins> it's pretty much what IRC is
[16:43] <dwatkins> indeed, I was surprised
[16:43] <neuro> well, all channels except #idlerpg
[16:43] <neuro> where idling is kind of the point
[16:44] <dwatkins> perhaps they just purge users every so often, not sure how it works
[16:44] <neuro> the curling is pretty good this afternoon
[16:45] <shauno_> I sit in a few channels where I can learn a lot without ever opening my mouthe.  idle doesn't mean I'm not here
[16:45] <neuro> indeed
[16:47] <daftykins> shauno_: just that you'll starve them of your charm
[16:48] <shauno_> that's often for the best :)
[16:50] <foobarry> idle can be a form of old school IM
[16:50] <foobarry> someone pings you if they need
[16:51] <daftykins> i find this use of 'ping' quite odd
[16:53] <dwatkins> me too, people use it for 'send an e-mail'
[16:53] <mapps> gah gotta go outside in 10mins
[16:53] <foobarry> if you want to contact devs
[16:53] <mapps> its raining :(
[16:53] <daftykins> they do? D:
[16:53] <daftykins> mmm i need more pasta from a shop a fair way away
[16:54] <mapps> not fun
[16:54] <daftykins> though raintoday.co.uk shows me it's patchy now
[16:54] <daftykins> i'm in a brief window right now
[16:55] <mapps> ya gotta be careful dont wanna get stuck out there
[16:55] <mapps> its cold wet/windy
[16:55] <mapps> heh
[16:57] <daftykins> i'd be cycling too
[16:57] <daftykins> high potential for wet-bum syndrome
[16:58] <mapps> hm
[16:58] <mapps> gonna try qwebirc
[16:58] <mapps> wanna be able to irc at work else time goes SLOW
[16:58] <directhex> qwebirc is good!
[16:58] <directhex> i have it deployed
[16:58] <mapps> cool
[16:59] <mapps> im just lookng at it now
[16:59] <mapps> seems simply cp config.py.example to config.py edit then run compile.py or somethng
[16:59] <mapps> and job done
[16:59] <directhex> hardcodes quakenet in a few places, e.g. assumes Q for services
[16:59] <mapps> im gonna use a reverse proxy though so i can access http://94.193.78.219/qweb/ rather than having to forward the port it uses
[16:59] <mapps> er proxypass in apache even not a reverse one
[16:59] <directhex> i am also using reverse proxy
[16:59] <directhex> let me find my settings
[16:59] <mapps> :D
[17:00] <mapps> i tried kiwiirc yesterday
[17:00] <mapps> but couldnt get it to work..no errors..just didnt seem to do anything..wjhich makes it hard to debug
[17:00] <directhex>   ProxyPass / http://localhost:9090/
[17:00] <directhex>   ProxyPassReverse / http://localhost:9090/
[17:00] <directhex>   ProxyRequests Off
[17:01] <directhex> that's about it
[17:01] <mapps> yea need reequests off so people cant use it as a proxy iirc
[17:01] <mapps> but i dunno if proxypass reverse is deff needed? isnt that so the returned headers are localhost:9090 or something
[17:01] <directhex> dunno. if stuff works, you don't poke it too hard in case it stops working
[17:01] <mapps> yea:)
[17:02] <mapps> hmm wonder if yahoo will say wind speed
[17:02] <mapps> i can hear it banging against my doors heh
[17:03] <mapps> Precipitation: 60%
[17:03] <mapps> Humidity: 71%
[17:03] <mapps> Wind: 41 mph
[17:03] <mapps> TemperaturePrecipitationWind
[17:03] <mapps> i tought it would be faster winds
[17:03] <directhex> wind is slow, but carrying hammers
[17:03] <shauno_> depends how they're measuring it I guess; running average? peak gust?
[17:04] <mapps> certainly sounds loud
[17:04] <directhex> *slam*
[17:04] <mapps> yea
[17:04] <mapps> heh
[17:04] <mapps> hate it when its like this..might get blown in the canal
[17:04] <mapps> lol
[17:05] <daftykins> XD
[17:05] <mapps> that wouldnt be so fun
[17:05] <daftykins> * mapps is now known as wetmapps
[17:05] <mapps> :(
[17:07] <bigcalm> UPS is clicking every few seconds
[17:07] <bigcalm> Not a fun day for anybody really
[17:09] <mapps> hm looks like qwebirc is done
[17:10] <mapps> ooh
[17:10] <mapps> and its working
[17:10] <mapps> :)
[17:10] <mapps> back in 10mins
[17:32] <shauno_> 3g is not being nice today.  ~1500ms to google
[17:33] <daftykins> D:
[17:41] <shauno_> and 5000ms to my ssh host.  I wonder what it takes for ssh to give up on the network and try yodelling instead
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> shauno_: about 924.6 seconds - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15484906/change-the-tcp-timeout-for-a-linux-network-device
[17:53] <MooDoo> evening all, any one had keyboard layout issues with 13.10 ubuntu layout is uk, but " and @ are still us format?
[17:55] <MooDoo> how bizarre add english US to the text entry section and it's all ok :S
[18:01] <shauno_> are there multiple choices for which UK?
[18:01] <shauno_> 'variant' tab I think
[18:11] <MooDoo> shauno_: it's ok fixed it, had english uk installed english us and it started working oh well :D
[18:47] <Azelphur> hey folks, trying to mount a SMB share but mount -a says "Unable to find suitable address."
[18:47] <Azelphur>  //azelphur-server/share  /media/azelphur-share  cifs  guest,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8  0  0
[18:47] <Azelphur> is what I have in fstab
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> does it work if you mount by hand?
[18:48] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: haven't tried, but amusingly I think I found the problem, it's not mounts fault
[18:49] <Azelphur> this is weird, I have a KVM virtual machine with address 192.168.1.12, and the host has IP 192.168.1.11, and the KVM can't ping the host
[18:49] <Azelphur> that's why the share isn't working
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: are the IPs on the same network?
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> i.e. is the virtual device bridged with the ethernet device?
[18:50] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yup, my PC can talk to the KVM no problem
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: sure, you can talk to *kvm*, but can you talk to the *guest*
[18:51] <Azelphur> and yea, it's bridged with its own IP in the networking (even has functional port forwards and such)
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: talking to kvm is easy (virsh/vnc)
[18:51] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yes I can talk to the guest, that's what I meant
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: then how can't you ping it?
[18:51] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: because I can only ssh from a machine that isn't the host.
[18:51] <Azelphur> and in this case, I'm trying to get the guest and the host to talk to each other
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: can you pastebin the output of "ip addr" and "brctl show" on the host?
[18:54] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/hkUYQMu6
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> em1?
[18:54] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yea, it's just an ethernet port
[18:54] <Azelphur> I have no idea why it gets called em1.
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> shouldn't that be "eth0"?
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> anyway
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> the bridge seems emtpy
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> I don't know macvtap
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> my kvm vm's have "vnet0" interfaces that get attached to a bridge
[18:55] <Azelphur> well the guest has full internet access, I can access it from both inside and outside my LAN without issues
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> ah.. http://virt.kernelnewbies.org/MacVTap
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> I have *no* idea how that works
[18:56] <Azelphur> \o/
[18:58] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: oh hey, my Source Mode is apparently VEPA
[18:58] <Azelphur> and bridge is an option
[18:58] <Azelphur> I guess I should try changing that?
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: VEPA? What's that? How did you set it?
[18:59] <Azelphur> I'm using Virtual Machine Manager, gui frontend to libvirt
[18:59] <Azelphur> it's an option in the dropdown
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I use that too
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I've just found it in mine
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: what works for me:
[19:00] <Azelphur> is yours set to VEPA or bridge?
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> bridge :)
[19:00] <Azelphur> aha
[19:00] <Azelphur> maybe that's why
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> anyway, for me this works:
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> /etc/network/interfaces: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6921546/
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> then I get the option "Host device vnet0 (Bridge br0)" in the menu (VM turned off, NIC page)
[19:05] <Azelphur> hmm
[19:05] <Azelphur> I made that change to my /etc/network/interfaces, and now my only option for virtual network interface is Direct em1
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> yes! that one!
[19:05] <Azelphur> but that's not a bridge?
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> you may need to ifup -a
[19:06] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/WBih8xPb
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> and restart network-manager and/or libvirt-bin
[19:06] <Azelphur> don't have network-manager since it's a server
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> ok, that helps :)
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> but I have "Source device: " and then several options
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> one is "Virtual network 'default' (virbr0), then 2 "Host device" options, eth0 and lo
[19:08] <Azelphur> hmm, I restarted libvirt and now I can't connect to libvirt any more at all
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> weird!
[19:08] <Azelphur> looks like it's not starting properly
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> works fine here.. did you put "em1" in the bridge config in /etc/network/interfaces?
[19:09] <Azelphur> yup, see above
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: are you in the right group to be able to connect to virt-manager?
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> anything in the log why it's not starting?
[19:11] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/cjz2DxZv
[19:11] <Azelphur> it doesn't sound like a happy bunny
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> dbus isn't started
[19:12] <Azelphur> oh hey I just started dbus and it worked...I guess dbus crashed or something
[19:12] <Azelphur> still only have source device: direct em1 as an option though
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: but that doesn't say "macvlan" anymore does it?
[19:15] <Azelphur> it doesn't, it's not even a dropdown any more
[19:15] <Azelphur> just Source device: Direct 'im1'
[19:15] <Azelphur> em1*
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> try it :)
[19:16] <Azelphur> Error starting domain: error creating macvtap type of interface attach to em1: Device or resource busy
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: did you ifup -a ?
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> after editing /etc/network/interfaces?
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> is there still an IP on em0?
[19:17] <Azelphur> I did, yup
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> there shuold not be an IP on em1
[19:18] <Azelphur> no ip on em1
[19:18] <Azelphur> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6921634/
[19:18]  * MartijnVdS is confused now
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> probably should ask an expert ;)
[19:20] <Azelphur> xD
[19:20] <Azelphur> hopefully one will show up
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> maybe it;s because I'm running trusty?
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> that it's different?
[19:25]  * Azelphur shrugs
[20:43] <maps|work> heylo
[20:43] <maps|work> blowing a gale outside still..and the stupid window jdoesnt shut fully so get a draft :(
[20:49] <shauno_> hah, I'm not the only one.  I have a kitchen towel jammed in one of mine
[20:53] <maps|work> ugh mozzila going to sell ads in ffox
[20:53] <maps|work> you played flappy bird? read yesterday the author was getting 50k usd/day in ad revenue!!
[20:53] <GingerDog> and that he'd pulled the app(s) and the ones in the play store are knockoffs with spam/crap in them
[20:54] <GingerDog> (unless he's re-enabled them).
[20:54] <maps|work> ya
[20:54] <maps|work> thats true
[20:54] <maps|work> heard he pulled em..dunno why
[20:54] <GingerDog> i suspect because the support load was too high.
[20:54] <maps|work> he was raking it in..and yea thats the thing with he droid store..loadsa fakes eh
[20:54] <GingerDog> and he's still raking it in
[20:54] <shauno_> I Think the ff ads are overblown, to be honest
[20:54] <GingerDog> existing users will still be able to use htem etc.
[20:55] <GingerDog> i saw something earlier (perhaps lwn.net) about it
[20:55] <GingerDog> i'm not fussed as i'm not a FF user
[20:55] <GingerDog> but I'd guess it's to give them some protection against google being their only source of revenue?
[20:55] <shauno_> right
[20:55] <shauno_> and it's pretty low-key; they're selling spots on thumbnail page of recent sites
[20:55] <maps|work> i like ffox but i also like opera..seem to be alone in both of those;p
[20:56] <shauno_> so instead of starting blank, it starts prepopulated.  and ask you use it they're going to disappear quickly
[20:56] <GingerDog> similar to the EverythingMe android launcher (who Mozilla are doing a deal with too)
[20:56] <maps|work> http://gizmodo.com/watch-two-crazy-people-climb-the-worlds-second-tallest-1521382204
[20:56] <maps|work> ;p;
[20:56] <maps|work> think il pass
[20:57] <GingerDog> (EverythingMe has 'sponsored' suggestions when you go into folders)
[20:57] <GingerDog> it's an interesting idea
[20:58] <shauno_> this is just pre-populating the recents though.  so if you use ff for more than 5 minutes they'll be replaced with real data
[20:58] <maps|work> standing on the edge looking over lol i dont think id wanna do that with safety gear
[21:00] <maps|work> feel sick watching it LOL
[21:00] <shauno_> I guess they trust their equipment by now :)
[21:00] <maps|work> it looks like they have no supports or anything
[21:01] <maps|work> when you see them stabding and lean over ...ugh god id be sick lol
[23:02] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wxnfxxijv8ywp5f/IMG-20140212-WA0000.jpg
[23:02] <daftykins> oooh yes.
[23:03] <diddledan> I need chocolate
[23:03] <diddledan> daftykins: that had better be entirely consumed in 30 minutes time
[23:04] <diddledan> :-p
[23:04]  * diddledan is a chocolate whore
[23:04] <diddledan> I'm not even sure what the phrase means but I'm it
[23:05] <diddledan> I can consume a large toblerone in about an hour
[23:06] <daftykins> 30 minutes?
[23:07] <daftykins> i'm down to under half since i posted
[23:07] <daftykins> I HAVE A PROBLEM :'(
[23:07] <diddledan> well done! :-p