| waldo323 | Good evening | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| cmaloney | Evening | 00:10 |
| rick_h_ | party party | 00:10 |
| * waldo323 parties in a container | 00:12 | |
| lmorchard | I was about to say "contain yourself" but thought better of it | 00:12 |
| cmaloney | hah | 00:13 |
| cmaloney | Ubuntu 14.04 still stips with Python 2.x? | 00:19 |
| cmaloney | ships, rather? | 00:19 |
| cmaloney | (defaults, whatever) | 00:19 |
| rick_h_ | yea, 2.7.6 right now | 00:19 |
| rick_h_ | though might change | 00:19 |
| rick_h_ | and 3.3.4 | 00:20 |
| rick_h_ | on python3 | 00:20 |
| cmaloney | Huh. Thought they might have bumped to 3.x | 00:20 |
| rick_h_ | well I've heard both ways I guess | 00:20 |
| cmaloney | yeah, just found that interesting | 00:20 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, no biggie either way | 00:20 |
| jrwren | 3.3.4 just shipped 2 days ago? its in already? | 00:20 |
| cmaloney | Ah,interesting | 00:20 |
| cmaloney | python3 is what ships | 00:20 |
| rick_h_ | well trusty is in early stages but yea just checked my laptop | 00:21 |
| jrwren | but yeah, 2.x will be around for a long time | 00:21 |
| cmaloney | but installing python gets you 2.7.6 | 00:21 |
| cmaloney | I think Arch swapped that so you had to do python2 to get 2.x | 00:21 |
| rick_h_ | right | 00:21 |
| rick_h_ | I'm not sure when/how that change will happen. It's been talked about for 3 releases | 00:21 |
| cmaloney | Just installed ubuntu14.04 in an LXC container | 00:21 |
| waldo323 | Nice | 00:22 |
| cmaloney | so was playing with that. | 00:22 |
| rick_h_ | just remember that it's not the 14.04 kernel | 00:22 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, noted. | 00:23 |
| cmaloney | Still says 3.2.0 | 00:23 |
| cmaloney | which is what 12.04 has | 00:23 |
| cmaloney | But PostgreSQL 9.3, so yay yay | 00:23 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 00:23 |
| rick_h_ | good luck | 00:23 |
| cmaloney | I think I have jsivak3 convinced to use LXC over RVM. | 00:24 |
| rick_h_ | yea, lxc for the win for dev | 00:24 |
| rick_h_ | so cheap to create and so easy to destroy | 00:24 |
| rick_h_ | and for most apps much lighter to run things | 00:24 |
| cmaloney | Yeah | 00:24 |
| jrwren | 9.3! ROCK ON | 00:24 |
| jrwren | they skipping 9.2 then eh? | 00:24 |
| jrwren | cuz iirc 13.10 was still 9.1 | 00:25 |
| cmaloney | I think it's partially because there's an official repo for PostgreSQL now | 00:25 |
| cmaloney | so not hard to get ported over. | 00:25 |
| jrwren | not so hard to get packaged! | 00:25 |
| cmaloney | Yep | 00:25 |
| lmorchard | Dat live coding example | 01:19 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, it's pretty mad sexy. | 01:22 |
| cmaloney | Though I'm sitting next to rick_h_ and he's threatened me if I use it. | 01:22 |
| rick_h_ | *grumble grumble* | 01:22 |
| rick_h_ | *stpud RoR wannabe pain the $#@$#@ magic 'it just works...until you have to trace a failure...' $#@$#@@" | 01:23 |
| cmaloney | SO the problem with it is it's awesome until it doesn't work | 01:23 |
| cmaloney | like most of computing. ;) | 01:23 |
| cmaloney | got it. ;) | 01:23 |
| rick_h_ | Truths of Life from Rick: 'If it demos well, you'll hate it in a month because it won't scale for @$#@' | 01:24 |
| cmaloney | But yeah, I could see this being fun to debug if you have to go in too deep | 01:24 |
| rick_h_ | 'If it has a learning curve, buckle up because you'll live on this in a month' | 01:24 |
| rick_h_ | magic variable BS! | 01:24 |
| lmorchard | Although I just scared myself by looking up how angular knows what the parameter names are on a controller function | 01:24 |
| rick_h_ | yea exactly | 01:24 |
| cmaloney | So what do you tink of Ember / React? ;) | 01:24 |
| rick_h_ | the layers of magic to make it work is nuts | 01:25 |
| * cmaloney is getting an adrenaline rush from living on the edge. | 01:25 | |
| rick_h_ | and forget using your standard lint tools, debugging, etc | 01:25 |
| lmorchard | It parses the string representation of the function with regexes | 01:25 |
| lmorchard | Haha | 01:25 |
| * rick_h_ covers ears LALALALALALALALALA | 01:25 | |
| rick_h_ | I looked at it a while ago and ran away screaming | 01:25 |
| lmorchard | I haven't gotten around to playing with ember or react yet | 01:25 |
| rick_h_ | reactjs I want to tinker with. It's a partial solution at one point, widget/components | 01:25 |
| rick_h_ | not tried to see how easy you can fit it into an existing toolchain | 01:26 |
| cmaloney | I don't now any Javascript so the less I have to play with it the better IMHO | 01:26 |
| rick_h_ | ember is big...big...big and not tried it out. I think it does some of the DOM databinding crap I hate | 01:26 |
| cmaloney | ah, fun fun | 01:26 |
| lmorchard | I started building a toy market app for eve online, but its all fairly boring jquery and bootstrap | 01:26 |
| lmorchard | Lots of | 01:27 |
| cmaloney | But we're still on JQuery at work so I'll have a while before I do anything work-related with either. | 01:27 |
| lmorchard | Little json data APIs, grids, and autocompletes though | 01:27 |
| rick_h_ | lmao, lovely traceback there | 01:27 |
| rick_h_ | "it broke...what went wrong?" | 01:27 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: point taken | 01:27 |
| lmorchard | Promises in js are pretty hawt | 01:28 |
| rick_h_ | NONONONONONO | 01:28 |
| lmorchard | Oh but those are routes not promises | 01:28 |
| rick_h_ | we just got through killing them after months of getting sucked into them | 01:28 |
| lmorchard | Heh | 01:29 |
| rick_h_ | until they get past the A+ spec promises are flawed badly | 01:29 |
| lmorchard | Hmm, not sure what the downsides are yet, but then I'm not in super deep with them yet | 01:30 |
| rick_h_ | come to dinner, I'll explain :) | 01:31 |
| rick_h_ | it took me 3 days into a sprint to covince folks | 01:31 |
| rick_h_ | though chrome is working on fixing the big issue | 01:31 |
| lmorchard | I have been using caolan/async for more complex stuff | 01:31 |
| lmorchard | And promises mostly on the node sever side too | 01:32 |
| jrwren | ember layers of magic? | 02:35 |
| jrwren | like backbone adn angular and al the others don't also have layers of magic | 02:35 |
| rick_h_ | lmorchard: not seeing any email jump out as 'les' to me. | 04:08 |
| rick_h_ | oh wait, me@lmorchard.com | 04:09 |
| rick_h_ | hmm, and yea throwing a 406 back. So something's busted. | 04:10 |
| rick_h_ | ah "You've already marked your account for reactivation.\nPlease check your email for the reactivation link. Make sure to\ncheck your spam folder." | 04:11 |
| rick_h_ | that should be showing up but it's not | 04:11 |
| rick_h_ | lmorchard: I removed the user since it was never activated so you can start fresh with a signup | 04:13 |
| rick_h_ | and filed a bug on the error not getting displayed to the user | 04:14 |
| waf | for the record, in *actual* angularjs production code, you don't use the dependency-injection-via-parameter-name stuff | 04:46 |
| waf | since that doesn't play too well with code minification | 04:46 |
| cmaloney | Good morning | 12:28 |
| rick_h_ | morning | 12:43 |
| cmaloney | I think I'm turning into rick_h_ | 14:03 |
| rick_h_ | ruh roh | 14:04 |
| rick_h_ | I'm going to be replaced | 14:04 |
| cmaloney | I've got tmux acting as a tiling window manager | 14:04 |
| brousch | cmaloney: Why? Is more of your hair falling out? | 14:04 |
| rick_h_ | ooooh, low blow brousch | 14:04 |
| rick_h_ | you're not exactly going in for a perm this week :P | 14:04 |
| cmaloney | hah | 14:04 |
| cmaloney | my hair is following the economy and is in a light recession | 14:05 |
| brousch | :D | 14:05 |
| cmaloney | (though experts say it's more of a depression) | 14:05 |
| cmaloney | Anywho... | 14:05 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, I thought you might get a kick out of that rick_h_ | 14:05 |
| cmaloney | ^B-% | 14:06 |
| rick_h_ | cmaloney: hey, you're on the curve. Tiling has taken longer than most, but you'll get there | 14:06 |
| cmaloney | Only problem is it doesn't respect vi keybindings | 14:06 |
| cmaloney | so when I want to get to the other window I have to tell myself it's not a vi split. ;) | 14:07 |
| cmaloney | Not 100% convinced but flipping between a shell on the right and code on the left is making me happy right now | 14:07 |
| cmaloney | Anywho, down periscope. | 14:08 |
| rick_h_ | yep, and when your window manager tiles you can do that with gvim, chrome, etc :P | 14:08 |
| rick_h_ | have fun | 14:08 |
| akelling | what tiling wm are you guys using? | 14:08 |
| rick_h_ | AwesomeWM here, _stink_ uses something else. I can't remember. I think he got off of the original one | 14:09 |
| rick_h_ | widox: was tinkering with xmonad, not sure if he's still on that | 14:09 |
| widox | i3 now | 14:10 |
| rick_h_ | widox: ah right cool | 14:10 |
| rick_h_ | we've got guys using a few different ones | 14:10 |
| akelling | Awesomewm is very nice. I used i3 for some time then went back to fluxbox | 14:10 |
| widox | I dig it, config is super easy | 14:10 |
| rick_h_ | I <3 our tech/geek levels in this channel | 14:10 |
| wolfger | what's that you say, cmaloney? Your hair recession is depressing? | 14:12 |
| wolfger | I tried tiling.... just can't quite love it | 14:13 |
| wolfger | I like my eye candy, and I like working on things in full screen mode | 14:14 |
| rick_h_ | ugh, fullscreen?! | 14:14 |
| rick_h_ | only on my stupid 1300px laptop and even then I tend to split a bit | 14:14 |
| brousch | Android is full screen. That's all you need | 14:15 |
| jrwren | lmorchard: for a few minutes here I was trying to figure out if you were a different les. | 14:18 |
| jrwren | then I realized you are probably not from Kansas | 14:18 |
| akelling | [Slashdot] Enlightenment E19 Pre-Alpha Released (technology) - well that was quick. Seemed like E17 took forever to be released. | 14:23 |
| jrwren | it did take forever. my guess is that it still isn't out :p | 14:25 |
| akelling | lol | 14:27 |
| wolfger | what happened to e18? | 14:39 |
| wolfger | I believe e17 was "out".... insofar as, people were using it | 14:39 |
| wolfger | I just don't think it ever hit the level of "finished stable product" | 14:40 |
| jrwren | I was j/k | 14:41 |
| jrwren | e17 did finally get an official release a while back. | 14:41 |
| wolfger | oh, sweet | 14:44 |
| wolfger | I do need to check that out again, then | 14:44 |
| wolfger | e was my favorite, way back when | 14:45 |
| cmaloney | Seriously? http://www.zdnet.com/mozilla-to-deliver-ads-in-its-firefox-browser-7000026216/ | 14:45 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, e17 finally was released. | 14:46 |
| akelling | ^ *sigh* | 14:52 |
| _stink_ | akelling: i use stumpwm | 15:22 |
| _stink_ | fwiw | 15:22 |
| rick_h_ | ah, I thought you swapped off of that | 15:22 |
| _stink_ | i tinkered... but i went back home. | 15:22 |
| rick_h_ | my bad | 15:22 |
| rick_h_ | :) | 15:22 |
| _stink_ | it's just so warm and cozy. | 15:22 |
| jrwren | wolfger: i dont know how usable e17+ is, but I know technically it is rock solid. | 15:32 |
| jrwren | I trust raster a lot. | 15:32 |
| jrwren | rock solid libs. | 15:32 |
| jrwren | those e libs make gnome and kde look like Win32 crap :p | 15:32 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: agreed | 15:44 |
| cmaloney | also, the zip command under Linux makes me pine for tar.gz files | 15:45 |
| cmaloney | and that's saying something | 15:45 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: same! | 15:45 |
| jrwren | why isn't there a good unzip tool for linux? maybe we should make one? | 15:46 |
| jrwren | its a pretty simple thing to do. | 15:46 |
| cmaloney | I dunno | 15:47 |
| cmaloney | I would think one could do "zip filename.txt" and have it do something intelligent | 15:47 |
| cmaloney | but no. | 15:47 |
| cmaloney | has to be "zip filename.zip filename.txt" | 15:48 |
| cmaloney | which is a royal PITA if you have multiple files that are one-to-one files to zip. | 15:48 |
| cmaloney | (not looking for solutions btw. It's already resolved) | 15:49 |
| rick_h_ | :P | 15:49 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: ;) | 15:49 |
| cmaloney | I know this channel. Ponder something and get 14 ways to fix it. ;) | 15:50 |
| cmaloney | well, ha! I beat you to it! :) | 15:50 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: that is what I'm saying, make your own version of zip and unzip cmdline tools which follow unix conventions more closely | 15:58 |
| wolfger | Huh... I don't recall ever having an issue with zip. Maybe it's just a command line thing? | 16:02 |
| wolfger | not sure why anybody would ever *want* to zip from command line | 16:03 |
| _stink_ | because it's fun | 16:03 |
| wolfger | more fun than tar? Inconceivable! | 16:07 |
| _stink_ | well, no. | 16:07 |
| jrwren | um, because I downloaded a zip file, with curl and now I need to extract it? | 16:08 |
| jrwren | i'm not sur ewhy anybody would ever *want* to zip from outside a command line | 16:08 |
| wolfger | good point | 16:12 |
| rick_h_ | anyone done anything with GSoC? greg-g maybe? | 16:44 |
| greg-g | I haven't directly | 16:47 |
| greg-g | been with 2 orgs that have done it (CC and WMF) but wasn't in the group mentoring | 16:47 |
| rick_h_ | ok cool | 16:47 |
| rick_h_ | I'm thinking of seeing if I can submit bookie to work with someone. | 16:48 |
| rick_h_ | might be interesting | 16:48 |
| brousch | rick_h_: I may be a co-mentor this year for a Kivy GSoC under the PSF | 16:52 |
| brousch | Well, I will be a co-mentor if Kivy gets in | 16:53 |
| brousch | I think 3 students are interested | 16:53 |
| rick_h_ | cool | 16:54 |
| brousch | You would be a good mentor | 16:56 |
| greg-g | +1 | 16:57 |
| rick_h_ | cool, I'll make that my CHC task tonight to look into it. I've thought about trying it out a few times but it always sneaks up on me | 17:01 |
| cmaloney | https://twitter.com/matthewkheafy/status/151804749019230209/photo/1 | 18:10 |
| rick_h_ | ouch | 18:11 |
| rick_h_ | I hear streaming is killer for smaller artists | 18:11 |
| cmaloney | Trivium is not a smaller band. :) | 18:11 |
| cmaloney | But yeah, that's insulting | 18:11 |
| rick_h_ | sounds like one to me :P | 18:12 |
| greg-g | who? | 18:12 |
| greg-g | :) | 18:12 |
| rick_h_ | Trivium, Vengeance Falls (Roadrunner) #15, 17,225 sold | 18:12 |
| rick_h_ | that sure sounds a bit small | 18:12 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, sadly that's actually not bad for a metal album | 18:14 |
| cmaloney | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR7k3XnvbU0 | 18:15 |
| rick_h_ | right, but as far as streaming royalties go, that's small. | 18:15 |
| rick_h_ | I'm not sure how the industry will hold up in a streaming world | 18:16 |
| greg-g | I'll tell you why they aren't popular, $10 words like "perdition" | 18:16 |
| greg-g | ;) | 18:16 |
| cmaloney | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P7CQ9uYSy0 | 18:16 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: ^^ | 18:16 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: I don't know either. | 18:17 |
| greg-g | cmaloney: tip one: don't create music videos like they mattered in 90s. | 18:19 |
| greg-g | though I do appreciate them | 18:19 |
| greg-g | though, wow, over a million views | 18:19 |
| greg-g | yeah, "trepidation"?, they're over the head of most metal heads ;) | 18:19 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: Ahem | 18:20 |
| cmaloney | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tAbcWrrIQU | 18:21 |
| greg-g | wow, that scream | 18:22 |
| cmaloney | Yeah | 18:22 |
| greg-g | Insert my usual comment about how I love the drumming/guitar, but can't deal with the screaming | 18:23 |
| cmaloney | That's "Tom Araya" scream levels. | 18:23 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: That one took me a bit to get into | 18:23 |
| cmaloney | but it's a hell of an album | 18:23 |
| cmaloney | Easily one of my favorites that I found in 2013 | 18:24 |
| cmaloney | http://earache.bandcamp.com/album/outer-isolation | 18:24 |
| * greg-g nods | 18:24 | |
| * greg-g holds his post-rock/post-metal closely | 18:24 | |
| cmaloney | Oh I love my post-rock / post-metal | 18:25 |
| greg-g | you should do some episodes of it! | 18:25 |
| cmaloney | I have! | 18:25 |
| * greg-g looks | 18:25 | |
| * greg-g hangs head | 18:25 | |
| cmaloney | though not complete episodes | 18:25 |
| greg-g | oh, I was going to say, I don't remember a post-rock episode like the uhh, what was it called.... | 18:25 |
| cmaloney | instrumetalcast? | 18:26 |
| greg-g | jrwren metal | 18:26 |
| greg-g | CLUB METAL | 18:26 |
| greg-g | that's it | 18:26 |
| cmaloney | http://deepspacedestructors.bandcamp.com/ | 18:26 |
| cmaloney | hah | 18:26 |
| greg-g | jrwren: just fyi, I think of you whenever I think of club metal | 18:27 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, I could pull off an epiode like that | 18:27 |
| greg-g | yay | 18:27 |
| greg-g | also, in case you didn't see: http://www.zdnet.com/change-your-passwords-comcast-hushes-minimizes-serious-hack-7000026118/#ftag=RSS14dc6a9 | 18:29 |
| greg-g | for any comcast users | 18:29 |
| akelling | how comcastic....... | 18:33 |
| akelling | wheres my google fiber? | 18:33 |
| akelling | Trivium first time hearing this band but they are not bad. | 18:35 |
| cmaloney | akelling: Yeah, they're pretty good. | 18:56 |
| akelling | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB0hg4_JH0I - BOBAFLEX - BURY ME WITH MY GUNS ON | 19:01 |
| jrwren | what is club metal? | 19:11 |
| akelling | Nu Metal according to wikipedia | 19:12 |
| jrwren | greg-g: i don't like screaming screatch metal either. that is why I like harmonic metal like Sonata Artica and operatic death metal like nightwish, xandria, epica | 19:13 |
| jrwren | ewe, I dno't like Nu Metal | 19:13 |
| jrwren | why do I remind you of NuMetal greg-g ? | 19:13 |
| akelling | So no Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Staind, Deftones, Distrubed, and Slipknot. | 19:14 |
| greg-g | NuMetal == Limp Bizkit? | 19:14 |
| greg-g | no, not that | 19:14 |
| akelling | So most of my fav bands | 19:14 |
| greg-g | entirely not what cmaloney has on his Club Metal episodes | 19:14 |
| jrwren | yes, I hate all that crap. | 19:14 |
| greg-g | jrwren: I don't know how to describe, download a Club Metal episode from OMC :) | 19:15 |
| jrwren | i didn't even know deftones sounded like that. | 19:15 |
| cmaloney | http://openmetalcast.com/?s=club+metal | 19:44 |
| cmaloney | I use it to refer to more industrial stuff | 19:44 |
| greg-g | that's the word I couldn't think of | 20:14 |
| n0p | sup guys | 20:14 |
| jrwren | oh, well I do love me some industrial. | 20:17 |
| jrwren | 16volt? | 20:17 |
| jrwren | but that wouldn't be on OMC | 20:17 |
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| cmaloney | 16volt would definitely be on OMC | 21:18 |
| cmaloney | and had they kept their CC license they would have been | 21:18 |
| cmaloney | Hey n0p! | 21:18 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: ^^ | 21:19 |
| jrwren | yes, I mean no CC so they wouldn't be on OMC. | 21:36 |
| jrwren | lack of CC was the ONLY reason I said they wouldn't be | 21:36 |
| rick_h_ | cmaloney: I need a backup admin for GSoC :) | 21:38 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 and create a profile and let me know the username please? | 21:38 |
| akelling | almost beer thirty | 21:41 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: craigmaloney | 21:57 |
| rick_h_ | cmaloney: thanks! | 22:11 |
| jrwren | i just looked over the mug ipv6 meeting slides. | 22:23 |
| jrwren | no mention of dhcp prefix delegation? | 22:23 |
| rick_h_ | waf: cmaloney greg-g widox or anyone else https://docs.google.com/a/mitechie.com/document/d/1F51s9_faKf_GraKthtT0mCsQQvu-LMdnLwlliSZ3rJ4/edit | 22:55 |
| rick_h_ | appreciate any feedback on tasks lists, the notes, other tasks that might be cool/useful. | 22:55 |
| rick_h_ | I just did a first pass, will tweak more at CHC tonight | 22:55 |
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