[00:02] Good evening [00:10] Evening [00:10] party party [00:12] * waldo323 parties in a container [00:12] I was about to say "contain yourself" but thought better of it [00:13] hah [00:19] Ubuntu 14.04 still stips with Python 2.x? [00:19] ships, rather? [00:19] (defaults, whatever) [00:19] yea, 2.7.6 right now [00:19] though might change [00:20] and 3.3.4 [00:20] on python3 [00:20] Huh. Thought they might have bumped to 3.x [00:20] well I've heard both ways I guess [00:20] yeah, just found that interesting [00:20] Yeah, no biggie either way [00:20] 3.3.4 just shipped 2 days ago? its in already? [00:20] Ah,interesting [00:20] python3 is what ships [00:21] well trusty is in early stages but yea just checked my laptop [00:21] but yeah, 2.x will be around for a long time [00:21] but installing python gets you 2.7.6 [00:21] I think Arch swapped that so you had to do python2 to get 2.x [00:21] right [00:21] I'm not sure when/how that change will happen. It's been talked about for 3 releases [00:21] Just installed ubuntu14.04 in an LXC container [00:22] Nice [00:22] so was playing with that. [00:22] just remember that it's not the 14.04 kernel [00:23] Yeah, noted. [00:23] Still says 3.2.0 [00:23] which is what 12.04 has [00:23] But PostgreSQL 9.3, so yay yay [00:23] hah [00:23] good luck [00:24] I think I have jsivak3 convinced to use LXC over RVM. [00:24] yea, lxc for the win for dev [00:24] so cheap to create and so easy to destroy [00:24] and for most apps much lighter to run things [00:24] Yeah [00:24] 9.3! ROCK ON [00:24] they skipping 9.2 then eh? [00:25] cuz iirc 13.10 was still 9.1 [00:25] I think it's partially because there's an official repo for PostgreSQL now [00:25] so not hard to get ported over. [00:25] not so hard to get packaged! [00:25] Yep [01:19] Dat live coding example [01:22] Yeah, it's pretty mad sexy. [01:22] Though I'm sitting next to rick_h_ and he's threatened me if I use it. [01:22] *grumble grumble* [01:23] *stpud RoR wannabe pain the $#@$#@ magic 'it just works...until you have to trace a failure...' $#@$#@@" [01:23] SO the problem with it is it's awesome until it doesn't work [01:23] like most of computing. ;) [01:23] got it. ;) [01:24] Truths of Life from Rick: 'If it demos well, you'll hate it in a month because it won't scale for @$#@' [01:24] But yeah, I could see this being fun to debug if you have to go in too deep [01:24] 'If it has a learning curve, buckle up because you'll live on this in a month' [01:24] magic variable BS! [01:24] Although I just scared myself by looking up how angular knows what the parameter names are on a controller function [01:24] yea exactly [01:24] So what do you tink of Ember / React? ;) [01:25] the layers of magic to make it work is nuts [01:25] * cmaloney is getting an adrenaline rush from living on the edge. [01:25] and forget using your standard lint tools, debugging, etc [01:25] It parses the string representation of the function with regexes [01:25] Haha [01:25] * rick_h_ covers ears LALALALALALALALALA [01:25] I looked at it a while ago and ran away screaming [01:25] I haven't gotten around to playing with ember or react yet [01:25] reactjs I want to tinker with. It's a partial solution at one point, widget/components [01:26] not tried to see how easy you can fit it into an existing toolchain [01:26] I don't now any Javascript so the less I have to play with it the better IMHO [01:26] ember is big...big...big and not tried it out. I think it does some of the DOM databinding crap I hate [01:26] ah, fun fun [01:26] I started building a toy market app for eve online, but its all fairly boring jquery and bootstrap [01:27] Lots of [01:27] But we're still on JQuery at work so I'll have a while before I do anything work-related with either. [01:27] Little json data APIs, grids, and autocompletes though [01:27] lmao, lovely traceback there [01:27] "it broke...what went wrong?" [01:27] rick_h_: point taken [01:28] Promises in js are pretty hawt [01:28] NONONONONONO [01:28] Oh but those are routes not promises [01:28] we just got through killing them after months of getting sucked into them [01:29] Heh [01:29] until they get past the A+ spec promises are flawed badly [01:30] Hmm, not sure what the downsides are yet, but then I'm not in super deep with them yet [01:31] come to dinner, I'll explain :) [01:31] it took me 3 days into a sprint to covince folks [01:31] though chrome is working on fixing the big issue [01:31] I have been using caolan/async for more complex stuff [01:32] And promises mostly on the node sever side too [02:35] ember layers of magic? [02:35] like backbone adn angular and al the others don't also have layers of magic [04:08] lmorchard: not seeing any email jump out as 'les' to me. [04:09] oh wait, me@lmorchard.com [04:10] hmm, and yea throwing a 406 back. So something's busted. [04:11] ah "You've already marked your account for reactivation.\nPlease check your email for the reactivation link. Make sure to\ncheck your spam folder." [04:11] that should be showing up but it's not [04:13] lmorchard: I removed the user since it was never activated so you can start fresh with a signup [04:14] and filed a bug on the error not getting displayed to the user [04:46] for the record, in *actual* angularjs production code, you don't use the dependency-injection-via-parameter-name stuff [04:46] since that doesn't play too well with code minification [12:28] Good morning [12:43] morning [14:03] I think I'm turning into rick_h_ [14:04] ruh roh [14:04] I'm going to be replaced [14:04] I've got tmux acting as a tiling window manager [14:04] cmaloney: Why? Is more of your hair falling out? [14:04] ooooh, low blow brousch [14:04] you're not exactly going in for a perm this week :P [14:04] hah [14:05] my hair is following the economy and is in a light recession [14:05] :D [14:05] (though experts say it's more of a depression) [14:05] Anywho... [14:05] Yeah, I thought you might get a kick out of that rick_h_ [14:06] ^B-% [14:06] cmaloney: hey, you're on the curve. Tiling has taken longer than most, but you'll get there [14:06] Only problem is it doesn't respect vi keybindings [14:07] so when I want to get to the other window I have to tell myself it's not a vi split. ;) [14:07] Not 100% convinced but flipping between a shell on the right and code on the left is making me happy right now [14:08] Anywho, down periscope. [14:08] yep, and when your window manager tiles you can do that with gvim, chrome, etc :P [14:08] have fun [14:08] what tiling wm are you guys using? [14:09] AwesomeWM here, _stink_ uses something else. I can't remember. I think he got off of the original one [14:09] widox: was tinkering with xmonad, not sure if he's still on that [14:10] i3 now [14:10] widox: ah right cool [14:10] we've got guys using a few different ones [14:10] Awesomewm is very nice. I used i3 for some time then went back to fluxbox [14:10] I dig it, config is super easy [14:10] I <3 our tech/geek levels in this channel [14:12] what's that you say, cmaloney? Your hair recession is depressing? [14:13] I tried tiling.... just can't quite love it [14:14] I like my eye candy, and I like working on things in full screen mode [14:14] ugh, fullscreen?! [14:14] only on my stupid 1300px laptop and even then I tend to split a bit [14:15] Android is full screen. That's all you need [14:18] lmorchard: for a few minutes here I was trying to figure out if you were a different les. [14:18] then I realized you are probably not from Kansas [14:23] [Slashdot] Enlightenment E19 Pre-Alpha Released (technology) - well that was quick. Seemed like E17 took forever to be released. [14:25] it did take forever. my guess is that it still isn't out :p [14:27] lol [14:39] what happened to e18? [14:39] I believe e17 was "out".... insofar as, people were using it [14:40] I just don't think it ever hit the level of "finished stable product" [14:41] I was j/k [14:41] e17 did finally get an official release a while back. [14:44] oh, sweet [14:44] I do need to check that out again, then [14:45] e was my favorite, way back when [14:45] Seriously? http://www.zdnet.com/mozilla-to-deliver-ads-in-its-firefox-browser-7000026216/ [14:46] Yeah, e17 finally was released. [14:52] ^ *sigh* [15:22] <_stink_> akelling: i use stumpwm [15:22] <_stink_> fwiw [15:22] ah, I thought you swapped off of that [15:22] <_stink_> i tinkered... but i went back home. [15:22] my bad [15:22] :) [15:22] <_stink_> it's just so warm and cozy. [15:32] wolfger: i dont know how usable e17+ is, but I know technically it is rock solid. [15:32] I trust raster a lot. [15:32] rock solid libs. [15:32] those e libs make gnome and kde look like Win32 crap :p [15:44] jrwren: agreed [15:45] also, the zip command under Linux makes me pine for tar.gz files [15:45] and that's saying something [15:45] cmaloney: same! [15:46] why isn't there a good unzip tool for linux? maybe we should make one? [15:46] its a pretty simple thing to do. [15:47] I dunno [15:47] I would think one could do "zip filename.txt" and have it do something intelligent [15:47] but no. [15:48] has to be "zip filename.zip filename.txt" [15:48] which is a royal PITA if you have multiple files that are one-to-one files to zip. [15:49] (not looking for solutions btw. It's already resolved) [15:49] :P [15:49] rick_h_: ;) [15:50] I know this channel. Ponder something and get 14 ways to fix it. ;) [15:50] well, ha! I beat you to it! :) [15:58] cmaloney: that is what I'm saying, make your own version of zip and unzip cmdline tools which follow unix conventions more closely [16:02] Huh... I don't recall ever having an issue with zip. Maybe it's just a command line thing? [16:03] not sure why anybody would ever *want* to zip from command line [16:03] <_stink_> because it's fun [16:07] more fun than tar? Inconceivable! [16:07] <_stink_> well, no. [16:08] um, because I downloaded a zip file, with curl and now I need to extract it? [16:08] i'm not sur ewhy anybody would ever *want* to zip from outside a command line [16:12] good point [16:44] anyone done anything with GSoC? greg-g maybe? [16:47] I haven't directly [16:47] been with 2 orgs that have done it (CC and WMF) but wasn't in the group mentoring [16:47] ok cool [16:48] I'm thinking of seeing if I can submit bookie to work with someone. [16:48] might be interesting [16:52] rick_h_: I may be a co-mentor this year for a Kivy GSoC under the PSF [16:53] Well, I will be a co-mentor if Kivy gets in [16:53] I think 3 students are interested [16:54] cool [16:56] You would be a good mentor [16:57] +1 [17:01] cool, I'll make that my CHC task tonight to look into it. I've thought about trying it out a few times but it always sneaks up on me [18:10] https://twitter.com/matthewkheafy/status/151804749019230209/photo/1 [18:11] ouch [18:11] I hear streaming is killer for smaller artists [18:11] Trivium is not a smaller band. :) [18:11] But yeah, that's insulting [18:12] sounds like one to me :P [18:12] who? [18:12] :) [18:12] Trivium, Vengeance Falls (Roadrunner) #15, 17,225 sold [18:12] that sure sounds a bit small [18:14] Yeah, sadly that's actually not bad for a metal album [18:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR7k3XnvbU0 [18:15] right, but as far as streaming royalties go, that's small. [18:16] I'm not sure how the industry will hold up in a streaming world [18:16] I'll tell you why they aren't popular, $10 words like "perdition" [18:16] ;) [18:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P7CQ9uYSy0 [18:16] greg-g: ^^ [18:17] rick_h_: I don't know either. [18:19] cmaloney: tip one: don't create music videos like they mattered in 90s. [18:19] though I do appreciate them [18:19] though, wow, over a million views [18:19] yeah, "trepidation"?, they're over the head of most metal heads ;) [18:20] greg-g: Ahem [18:21] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tAbcWrrIQU [18:22] wow, that scream [18:22] Yeah [18:23] Insert my usual comment about how I love the drumming/guitar, but can't deal with the screaming [18:23] That's "Tom Araya" scream levels. [18:23] greg-g: That one took me a bit to get into [18:23] but it's a hell of an album [18:24] Easily one of my favorites that I found in 2013 [18:24] http://earache.bandcamp.com/album/outer-isolation [18:24] * greg-g nods [18:24] * greg-g holds his post-rock/post-metal closely [18:25] Oh I love my post-rock / post-metal [18:25] you should do some episodes of it! [18:25] I have! [18:25] * greg-g looks [18:25] * greg-g hangs head [18:25] though not complete episodes [18:25] oh, I was going to say, I don't remember a post-rock episode like the uhh, what was it called.... [18:26] instrumetalcast? [18:26] jrwren metal [18:26] CLUB METAL [18:26] that's it [18:26] http://deepspacedestructors.bandcamp.com/ [18:26] hah [18:27] jrwren: just fyi, I think of you whenever I think of club metal [18:27] Yeah, I could pull off an epiode like that [18:27] yay [18:29] also, in case you didn't see: http://www.zdnet.com/change-your-passwords-comcast-hushes-minimizes-serious-hack-7000026118/#ftag=RSS14dc6a9 [18:29] for any comcast users [18:33] how comcastic....... [18:33] wheres my google fiber? [18:35] Trivium first time hearing this band but they are not bad. [18:56] akelling: Yeah, they're pretty good. [19:01] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB0hg4_JH0I - BOBAFLEX - BURY ME WITH MY GUNS ON [19:11] what is club metal? [19:12] Nu Metal according to wikipedia [19:13] greg-g: i don't like screaming screatch metal either. that is why I like harmonic metal like Sonata Artica and operatic death metal like nightwish, xandria, epica [19:13] ewe, I dno't like Nu Metal [19:13] why do I remind you of NuMetal greg-g ? [19:14] So no Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Staind, Deftones, Distrubed, and Slipknot. [19:14] NuMetal == Limp Bizkit? [19:14] no, not that [19:14] So most of my fav bands [19:14] entirely not what cmaloney has on his Club Metal episodes [19:14] yes, I hate all that crap. [19:15] jrwren: I don't know how to describe, download a Club Metal episode from OMC :) [19:15] i didn't even know deftones sounded like that. [19:44] http://openmetalcast.com/?s=club+metal [19:44] I use it to refer to more industrial stuff [20:14] that's the word I couldn't think of [20:14] sup guys [20:17] oh, well I do love me some industrial. [20:17] 16volt? [20:17] but that wouldn't be on OMC === dickweed_ is now known as mrgoodcat [21:18] 16volt would definitely be on OMC [21:18] and had they kept their CC license they would have been [21:18] Hey n0p! [21:19] jrwren: ^^ [21:36] yes, I mean no CC so they wouldn't be on OMC. [21:36] lack of CC was the ONLY reason I said they wouldn't be [21:38] cmaloney: I need a backup admin for GSoC :) [21:38] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 and create a profile and let me know the username please? [21:41] almost beer thirty [21:57] rick_h_: craigmaloney [22:11] cmaloney: thanks! [22:23] i just looked over the mug ipv6 meeting slides. [22:23] no mention of dhcp prefix delegation? [22:55] waf: cmaloney greg-g widox or anyone else https://docs.google.com/a/mitechie.com/document/d/1F51s9_faKf_GraKthtT0mCsQQvu-LMdnLwlliSZ3rJ4/edit [22:55] appreciate any feedback on tasks lists, the notes, other tasks that might be cool/useful. [22:55] I just did a first pass, will tweak more at CHC tonight