[00:02] <waldo323> Good evening
[00:10] <cmaloney> Evening
[00:10] <rick_h_> party party
[00:12]  * waldo323 parties in a container
[00:12] <lmorchard> I was about to say "contain yourself" but thought better of it
[00:13] <cmaloney> hah
[00:19] <cmaloney> Ubuntu 14.04 still stips with Python 2.x?
[00:19] <cmaloney> ships, rather?
[00:19] <cmaloney> (defaults, whatever)
[00:19] <rick_h_> yea, 2.7.6 right now
[00:19] <rick_h_> though might change
[00:20] <rick_h_> and 3.3.4
[00:20] <rick_h_> on python3
[00:20] <cmaloney> Huh. Thought they might have bumped to 3.x
[00:20] <rick_h_> well I've heard both ways I guess
[00:20] <cmaloney> yeah, just found that interesting
[00:20] <cmaloney> Yeah, no biggie either way
[00:20] <jrwren> 3.3.4 just shipped 2 days ago? its in already?
[00:20] <cmaloney> Ah,interesting
[00:20] <cmaloney> python3 is what ships
[00:21] <rick_h_> well trusty is in early stages but yea just checked my laptop
[00:21] <jrwren> but yeah, 2.x will be around for a long time
[00:21] <cmaloney> but installing python gets you 2.7.6
[00:21] <cmaloney> I think Arch swapped that so you had to do python2 to get 2.x
[00:21] <rick_h_> right
[00:21] <rick_h_> I'm not sure when/how that change will happen. It's been talked about for 3 releases
[00:21] <cmaloney> Just installed ubuntu14.04 in an LXC container
[00:22] <waldo323> Nice
[00:22] <cmaloney> so was playing with that.
[00:22] <rick_h_> just remember that it's not the 14.04 kernel
[00:23] <cmaloney> Yeah, noted.
[00:23] <cmaloney> Still says 3.2.0
[00:23] <cmaloney> which is what 12.04 has
[00:23] <cmaloney> But PostgreSQL 9.3, so yay yay
[00:23] <rick_h_> hah
[00:23] <rick_h_> good luck
[00:24] <cmaloney> I think I have jsivak3 convinced to use LXC over RVM.
[00:24] <rick_h_> yea, lxc for the win for dev
[00:24] <rick_h_> so cheap to create and so easy to destroy
[00:24] <rick_h_> and for most apps much lighter to run things
[00:24] <cmaloney> Yeah
[00:24] <jrwren> 9.3! ROCK ON
[00:24] <jrwren> they skipping 9.2 then eh?
[00:25] <jrwren> cuz iirc 13.10 was still 9.1
[00:25] <cmaloney> I think it's partially because there's an official repo for PostgreSQL now
[00:25] <cmaloney> so not hard to get ported over.
[00:25] <jrwren> not so hard to get packaged!
[00:25] <cmaloney> Yep
[01:19] <lmorchard> Dat live coding example
[01:22] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's pretty mad sexy.
[01:22] <cmaloney> Though I'm sitting next to rick_h_ and he's threatened me if I use it.
[01:22] <rick_h_> *grumble grumble*
[01:23] <rick_h_> *stpud RoR wannabe pain the $#@$#@ magic 'it just works...until you have to trace a failure...' $#@$#@@"
[01:23] <cmaloney> SO the problem with it is it's awesome until it doesn't work
[01:23] <cmaloney> like most of computing. ;)
[01:23] <cmaloney> got it. ;)
[01:24] <rick_h_> Truths of Life from Rick: 'If it demos well, you'll hate it in a month because it won't scale for @$#@'
[01:24] <cmaloney> But yeah, I could see this being fun to debug if you have to go in too deep
[01:24] <rick_h_> 'If it has a learning curve, buckle up because you'll live on this in a month'
[01:24] <rick_h_> magic variable BS!
[01:24] <lmorchard> Although I just scared myself by looking up how angular knows what the parameter names are on a controller function
[01:24] <rick_h_> yea exactly
[01:24] <cmaloney> So what do you tink of Ember / React? ;)
[01:25] <rick_h_> the layers of magic to make it work is nuts
[01:25]  * cmaloney is getting an adrenaline rush from living on the edge.
[01:25] <rick_h_> and forget using your standard lint tools, debugging, etc
[01:25] <lmorchard> It parses the string representation of the function with regexes
[01:25] <lmorchard> Haha
[01:25]  * rick_h_ covers ears LALALALALALALALALA
[01:25] <rick_h_> I looked at it a while ago and ran away screaming
[01:25] <lmorchard> I haven't gotten around to playing with ember or react yet
[01:25] <rick_h_> reactjs I want to tinker with. It's a partial solution at one point, widget/components
[01:26] <rick_h_> not tried to see how easy you can fit it into an existing toolchain
[01:26] <cmaloney> I don't now any Javascript so the less I have to play with it the better IMHO
[01:26] <rick_h_> ember is big...big...big and not tried it out. I think it does some of the DOM databinding crap I hate
[01:26] <cmaloney> ah, fun fun
[01:26] <lmorchard> I started building a toy market app for eve online, but its all fairly boring jquery and bootstrap
[01:27] <lmorchard> Lots of
[01:27] <cmaloney> But we're still on JQuery at work so I'll have a while before I do anything work-related with either.
[01:27] <lmorchard> Little json data APIs, grids, and autocompletes though
[01:27] <rick_h_> lmao, lovely traceback there
[01:27] <rick_h_> "it broke...what went wrong?"
[01:27] <cmaloney> rick_h_: point taken
[01:28] <lmorchard> Promises in js are pretty hawt
[01:28] <rick_h_> NONONONONONO
[01:28] <lmorchard> Oh but those are routes not promises
[01:28] <rick_h_> we just got through killing them after months of getting sucked into them
[01:29] <lmorchard> Heh
[01:29] <rick_h_> until they get past the A+ spec promises are flawed badly
[01:30] <lmorchard> Hmm, not sure what the downsides are yet, but then I'm not in super deep with them yet
[01:31] <rick_h_> come to dinner, I'll explain :)
[01:31] <rick_h_> it took me 3 days into a sprint to covince folks
[01:31] <rick_h_> though chrome is working on fixing the big issue
[01:31] <lmorchard> I have been using caolan/async for more complex stuff
[01:32] <lmorchard> And promises mostly on the node sever side too
[02:35] <jrwren> ember layers of magic?
[02:35] <jrwren> like backbone adn angular and al the others don't also have layers of magic
[04:08] <rick_h_> lmorchard: not seeing any email jump out as 'les' to me.
[04:09] <rick_h_> oh wait, me@lmorchard.com
[04:10] <rick_h_> hmm, and yea throwing a 406 back. So something's busted.
[04:11] <rick_h_> ah "You've already marked your account for reactivation.\nPlease check your email for the reactivation link. Make sure to\ncheck your spam folder."
[04:11] <rick_h_> that should be showing up but it's not
[04:13] <rick_h_> lmorchard: I removed the user since it was never activated so you can start fresh with a signup
[04:14] <rick_h_> and filed a bug on the error not getting displayed to the user
[04:46] <waf> for the record, in *actual* angularjs production code, you don't use the dependency-injection-via-parameter-name stuff
[04:46] <waf> since that doesn't play too well with code minification
[12:28] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:43] <rick_h_> morning
[14:03] <cmaloney> I think I'm turning into rick_h_
[14:04] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[14:04] <rick_h_> I'm going to be replaced
[14:04] <cmaloney> I've got tmux acting as a tiling window manager
[14:04] <brousch> cmaloney: Why? Is more of your hair falling out?
[14:04] <rick_h_> ooooh, low blow brousch
[14:04] <rick_h_> you're not exactly going in for a perm this week :P
[14:04] <cmaloney> hah
[14:05] <cmaloney> my hair is following the economy and is in a light recession
[14:05] <brousch> :D
[14:05] <cmaloney> (though experts say it's more of a depression)
[14:05] <cmaloney> Anywho...
[14:05] <cmaloney> Yeah, I thought you might get a kick out of that rick_h_
[14:06] <cmaloney> ^B-%
[14:06] <rick_h_> cmaloney: hey, you're on the curve. Tiling has taken longer than most, but you'll get there
[14:06] <cmaloney> Only problem is it doesn't respect vi keybindings
[14:07] <cmaloney> so when I want to get to the other window I have to tell myself it's not a vi split. ;)
[14:07] <cmaloney> Not 100% convinced but flipping between a shell on the right and code on the left is making me happy right now
[14:08] <cmaloney> Anywho, down periscope.
[14:08] <rick_h_> yep, and when your window manager tiles you can do that with gvim, chrome, etc :P
[14:08] <rick_h_> have fun
[14:08] <akelling> what tiling wm are you guys using?
[14:09] <rick_h_> AwesomeWM here, _stink_ uses something else. I can't remember. I think he got off of the original one
[14:09] <rick_h_> widox: was tinkering with xmonad, not sure if he's still on that
[14:10] <widox> i3 now
[14:10] <rick_h_> widox: ah right cool
[14:10] <rick_h_> we've got guys using a few different ones
[14:10] <akelling> Awesomewm is very nice. I used i3 for some time  then went back to fluxbox
[14:10] <widox> I dig it, config is super easy
[14:10] <rick_h_> I <3 our tech/geek levels in this channel
[14:12] <wolfger> what's that you say, cmaloney? Your hair recession is depressing?
[14:13] <wolfger> I tried tiling.... just can't quite love it
[14:14] <wolfger> I like my eye candy, and I like working on things in full screen mode
[14:14] <rick_h_> ugh, fullscreen?!
[14:14] <rick_h_> only on my stupid 1300px laptop and even then I tend to split a bit
[14:15] <brousch> Android is full screen. That's all you need
[14:18] <jrwren> lmorchard: for a few minutes here I was trying to figure out if you were a different les.
[14:18] <jrwren> then I realized you are probably not from Kansas
[14:23] <akelling> [Slashdot] Enlightenment E19 Pre-Alpha Released (technology) -  well that was quick. Seemed like E17 took forever to be released.
[14:25] <jrwren> it did take forever. my guess is that it still isn't out :p
[14:27] <akelling> lol
[14:39] <wolfger> what happened to e18?
[14:39] <wolfger> I believe e17 was "out".... insofar as, people were using it
[14:40] <wolfger> I just don't think it ever hit the level of "finished stable product"
[14:41] <jrwren> I was j/k
[14:41] <jrwren> e17 did finally get an official release a while back.
[14:44] <wolfger> oh, sweet
[14:44] <wolfger> I do need to check that out again, then
[14:45] <wolfger> e was my favorite, way back when
[14:45] <cmaloney> Seriously? http://www.zdnet.com/mozilla-to-deliver-ads-in-its-firefox-browser-7000026216/
[14:46] <cmaloney> Yeah, e17 finally was released.
[14:52] <akelling> ^ *sigh*
[15:22] <_stink_> akelling: i use stumpwm
[15:22] <_stink_> fwiw
[15:22] <rick_h_> ah, I thought you swapped off of that
[15:22] <_stink_> i tinkered... but i went back home.
[15:22] <rick_h_> my bad
[15:22] <rick_h_> :)
[15:22] <_stink_> it's just so warm and cozy.
[15:32] <jrwren> wolfger: i dont know how usable e17+ is, but I know technically it is rock solid.
[15:32] <jrwren> I trust raster a lot.
[15:32] <jrwren> rock solid libs.
[15:32] <jrwren> those e libs make gnome and kde look like Win32 crap :p
[15:44] <cmaloney> jrwren: agreed
[15:45] <cmaloney> also, the zip command under Linux makes me pine for tar.gz files
[15:45] <cmaloney> and that's saying something
[15:45] <jrwren> cmaloney: same!
[15:46] <jrwren> why isn't there a good unzip tool for linux? maybe we should make one?
[15:46] <jrwren> its a pretty simple thing to do.
[15:47] <cmaloney> I dunno
[15:47] <cmaloney> I would think one could do "zip filename.txt" and have it do something intelligent
[15:47] <cmaloney> but no.
[15:48] <cmaloney> has to be "zip filename.zip filename.txt"
[15:48] <cmaloney> which is a royal PITA if you have multiple files that are one-to-one files to zip.
[15:49] <cmaloney> (not looking for solutions btw. It's already resolved)
[15:49] <rick_h_> :P
[15:49] <cmaloney> rick_h_: ;)
[15:50] <cmaloney> I know this channel. Ponder something and get 14 ways to fix it. ;)
[15:50] <cmaloney> well, ha! I beat you to it! :)
[15:58] <jrwren> cmaloney: that is what I'm saying, make your own version of zip and unzip cmdline tools which follow unix conventions more closely
[16:02] <wolfger> Huh... I don't recall ever having an issue with zip. Maybe it's just a command line thing?
[16:03] <wolfger> not sure why anybody would ever *want* to zip from command line
[16:03] <_stink_> because it's fun
[16:07] <wolfger> more fun than tar? Inconceivable!
[16:07] <_stink_> well, no.
[16:08] <jrwren> um, because I downloaded a zip file, with curl and now I need to extract it?
[16:08] <jrwren> i'm not sur ewhy anybody would ever *want* to zip from outside a command line
[16:12] <wolfger> good point
[16:44] <rick_h_> anyone done anything with GSoC? greg-g maybe?
[16:47] <greg-g> I haven't directly
[16:47] <greg-g> been with 2 orgs that have done it (CC and WMF) but wasn't in the group mentoring
[16:47] <rick_h_> ok cool
[16:48] <rick_h_> I'm thinking of seeing if I can submit bookie to work with someone.
[16:48] <rick_h_> might be interesting
[16:52] <brousch> rick_h_: I may be a co-mentor this year for a Kivy GSoC under the PSF
[16:53] <brousch> Well, I will be a co-mentor if Kivy gets in
[16:53] <brousch> I think 3 students are interested
[16:54] <rick_h_> cool
[16:56] <brousch> You would be a good mentor
[16:57] <greg-g> +1
[17:01] <rick_h_> cool, I'll make that my CHC task tonight to look into it. I've thought about trying it out a few times but it always sneaks up on me
[18:10] <cmaloney> https://twitter.com/matthewkheafy/status/151804749019230209/photo/1
[18:11] <rick_h_> ouch
[18:11] <rick_h_> I hear streaming is killer for smaller artists
[18:11] <cmaloney> Trivium is not a smaller band. :)
[18:11] <cmaloney> But yeah, that's insulting
[18:12] <rick_h_> sounds like one to me :P
[18:12] <greg-g> who?
[18:12] <greg-g> :)
[18:12] <rick_h_> Trivium, Vengeance Falls (Roadrunner) #15, 17,225 sold
[18:12] <rick_h_> that sure sounds a bit small
[18:14] <cmaloney> Yeah, sadly that's actually not bad for a metal album
[18:15] <cmaloney> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR7k3XnvbU0
[18:15] <rick_h_> right, but as far as streaming royalties go, that's small.
[18:16] <rick_h_> I'm not sure how the industry will hold up in a streaming world
[18:16] <greg-g> I'll tell you why they aren't popular, $10 words like "perdition"
[18:16] <greg-g> ;)
[18:16] <cmaloney> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P7CQ9uYSy0
[18:16] <cmaloney> greg-g: ^^
[18:17] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I don't know either.
[18:19] <greg-g> cmaloney: tip one: don't create music videos like they mattered in 90s.
[18:19] <greg-g> though I do appreciate them
[18:19] <greg-g> though, wow, over a million views
[18:19] <greg-g> yeah, "trepidation"?, they're over the head of most metal heads ;)
[18:20] <cmaloney> greg-g: Ahem
[18:21] <cmaloney> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tAbcWrrIQU
[18:22] <greg-g> wow, that scream
[18:22] <cmaloney> Yeah
[18:23] <greg-g> Insert my usual comment about how I love the drumming/guitar, but can't deal with the screaming
[18:23] <cmaloney> That's "Tom Araya" scream levels.
[18:23] <cmaloney> greg-g: That one took me a bit to get into
[18:23] <cmaloney> but it's a hell of an album
[18:24] <cmaloney> Easily one of my favorites that I found in 2013
[18:24] <cmaloney> http://earache.bandcamp.com/album/outer-isolation
[18:24]  * greg-g nods
[18:24]  * greg-g holds his post-rock/post-metal closely
[18:25] <cmaloney> Oh I love my post-rock / post-metal
[18:25] <greg-g> you should do some episodes of it!
[18:25] <cmaloney> I have!
[18:25]  * greg-g looks
[18:25]  * greg-g hangs head
[18:25] <cmaloney> though not complete episodes
[18:25] <greg-g> oh, I was going to say, I don't remember a post-rock episode like the uhh, what was it called....
[18:26] <cmaloney> instrumetalcast?
[18:26] <greg-g> jrwren metal
[18:26] <greg-g> CLUB METAL
[18:26] <greg-g> that's it
[18:26] <cmaloney> http://deepspacedestructors.bandcamp.com/
[18:26] <cmaloney> hah
[18:27] <greg-g> jrwren: just fyi, I think of you whenever I think of club metal
[18:27] <cmaloney> Yeah, I could pull off an epiode like that
[18:27] <greg-g> yay
[18:29] <greg-g> also, in case you didn't see: http://www.zdnet.com/change-your-passwords-comcast-hushes-minimizes-serious-hack-7000026118/#ftag=RSS14dc6a9
[18:29] <greg-g> for any comcast users
[18:33] <akelling> how comcastic.......
[18:33] <akelling> wheres my google fiber?
[18:35] <akelling> Trivium first time hearing this band but they are not bad.
[18:56] <cmaloney> akelling: Yeah, they're pretty good.
[19:01] <akelling> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB0hg4_JH0I - BOBAFLEX - BURY ME WITH MY GUNS ON
[19:11] <jrwren> what is club metal?
[19:12] <akelling> Nu Metal according to wikipedia
[19:13] <jrwren> greg-g: i don't like screaming screatch metal either. that is why I like harmonic metal like Sonata Artica and operatic death metal like nightwish, xandria, epica
[19:13] <jrwren> ewe, I dno't like Nu Metal
[19:13] <jrwren> why do I remind you of NuMetal greg-g ?
[19:14] <akelling> So no Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Staind, Deftones, Distrubed, and Slipknot.
[19:14] <greg-g> NuMetal == Limp Bizkit?
[19:14] <greg-g> no, not that
[19:14] <akelling> So most of my fav bands
[19:14] <greg-g> entirely not what cmaloney has on his Club Metal episodes
[19:14] <jrwren> yes, I hate all that crap.
[19:15] <greg-g> jrwren: I don't know how to describe, download a Club Metal episode from OMC :)
[19:15] <jrwren> i didn't even know deftones sounded like that.
[19:44] <cmaloney> http://openmetalcast.com/?s=club+metal
[19:44] <cmaloney> I use it to refer to more industrial stuff
[20:14] <greg-g> that's the word I couldn't think of
[20:14] <n0p> sup guys
[20:17] <jrwren> oh, well I do love me some industrial.
[20:17] <jrwren> 16volt?
[20:17] <jrwren> but that wouldn't be on OMC
[21:18] <cmaloney> 16volt would definitely be on OMC
[21:18] <cmaloney> and had they kept their CC license they would have been
[21:18] <cmaloney> Hey n0p!
[21:19] <cmaloney> jrwren: ^^
[21:36] <jrwren> yes, I mean no CC so they wouldn't be on OMC.
[21:36] <jrwren> lack of CC was the ONLY reason I said they wouldn't be
[21:38] <rick_h_> cmaloney: I need a backup admin for GSoC :)
[21:38] <rick_h_> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 and create a profile and let me know the username please?
[21:41] <akelling> almost beer thirty
[21:57] <cmaloney> rick_h_: craigmaloney
[22:11] <rick_h_> cmaloney: thanks!
[22:23] <jrwren> i just looked over the mug ipv6 meeting slides.
[22:23] <jrwren> no mention of dhcp prefix delegation?
[22:55] <rick_h_> waf: cmaloney greg-g widox or anyone else https://docs.google.com/a/mitechie.com/document/d/1F51s9_faKf_GraKthtT0mCsQQvu-LMdnLwlliSZ3rJ4/edit
[22:55] <rick_h_> appreciate any feedback on tasks lists, the notes, other tasks that might be cool/useful.
[22:55] <rick_h_> I just did a first pass, will tweak more at CHC tonight